Re: Release Verification Checklist

2013-12-06 Thread ant elder
On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 1:40 AM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.comwrote:

 On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 8:38 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote:
  On 5 December 2013 10:37, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org
 wrote:
  On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 11:39 PM, Marvin Humphrey 
 mar...@rectangular.com wrote:

  ... Second, I'm amused that the commits list item was quietly
 dropped,
  but new checklist items have been inserted regarding the dev and
 private
  lists...
 
  Pure oversight on my part, sorry...but what would we do if no reviewer
  follows the commit lists? I don't think that's a reason to kill a
 release.
 
  Oversight of the commit list is vital; that is how we ensure that SCM
  only contains material that is permitted.
 
  The source release is then checked against SCM to ensure we are only
  published vetted material.
 
  If there is no review of the commit list, then the whole system breaks
 down.

 I certainly agree that following the commits list is essential (and sought
 to
 emphasize as much in the post at the top of the thread).  I'd barely even
 considered the possibility that *none* of the reviewers might be following
 the commits list.

 However, I think that Bertrand's provenance checklist item largely
 achieves
 what I'd been grasping for with the commits list item, and fits much
 better
 into the context of approving the release.  If nobody's following the
 commits
 list, that's an issue with serious implications for the project, but it's
 not
 a direct release blocker.  If provenance is unsettled, though, that clearly
 blocks the release.

 Personally, I wouldn't feel confident checking the provenance item if I
 wasn't watching the commits list.  It's true that the person making the
 commit
 affirms that they have the right to their contribution, but still, I feel
 like
 you need to at least be aware of what contributions have gone into the
 product.

 Maybe there ought to be a note to such effect on the explanations page.
  But
 in any case, I'm OK with the commits list item disappearing, so long as
 the
 provenance item stays.

 As of revision 14 (removing the dev list and private list items) I'm
 now
 generally satisfied with the content of the checklist items and hope to
 move
 on to refining the workflow and surrounding documentation.



All the stuff required to be checked when voting on a release should be
documented in the ASF doc about releases. That its not in that doc suggests
its not required. If someone thinks something is required then they should
go get consensus around that with the wider ASF and get the ASF doc updated.

Podling releases are not quite the same as TLP releases, thats why they
have the DISCLAIMER and incubating naming. I think we should be making it
easier for podlings to do releases, if its really necessary then make an
audit of the last release a requirement of graduation.

   ...ant


Re: [VOTE] Phoenix for incubator project

2013-12-06 Thread Bruno Mahé

On 12/05/2013 01:43 PM, Stack wrote:

Discussion of the Phoenix proposal has settled since its original
posting on November 7th.  Feedback has been incorporated.

Let us now move to a vote.

Should Phoenix become an Apache incubator project?

[] +1 Accept Phoenix into the Incubator
[] +0 Don't care whether or which
[] -1 Do not accept Phoenix into the Incubator because...

The latest version of the proposal can be found here [1].  It is
also posted below for your convenience.

Let the vote run 72 hours.

Thank you,
St.Ack

1. https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PhoenixProposal




Abstract

Phoenix is an open source SQL query engine for Apache HBase, a NoSQL data
store. It is accessed as a JDBC driver and enables querying and managing
HBase tables using SQL.

Proposal

Phoenix is an open source SQL skin over HBase delivered as a
client-embedded JDBC driver targeting low latency queries over HBase data.
Phoenix takes your SQL query, compiles it into a series of HBase scans, and
orchestrates the running of those scans to produce regular JDBC result
sets. The table metadata is stored in an HBase table and versioned, such
that snapshot queries over prior versions will automatically use the
correct schema. Direct use of the HBase API, along with coprocessors and
custom filters, results in performance on the order of milliseconds for
small queries, or seconds for tens of millions of rows. Phoenix interfaces
with both Pig and Map-reduce for the input and output of data.

Background

Phoenix initially started as an internal project at Salesforce.com to
efficiently analyze big data stored in HBase. It was open sourced on Github
about a year ago in Jan 2013. Over time Phoenix, together with HBase as the
storage tier, has begun to evolve into a general SQL database with support
for metadata management, secondary indexes, joins, query optimization, and
multi-tenancy. This is expected to continue as Phoenix implements a
cost-based query optimizer and potentially transaction support, and
surfaces new HBase security features such as encryption and cell-level
security. Phoenix's developer community has also grown to include
additional companies such as Intel, who have contributed join support to
Phoenix, as well as Hortonworks, who are in the process of porting Phoenix
to the 0.96 release of HBase.

Rationale

As usage and the number of contributors to Phoenix has grown, we have
sought for a long-term home for the project, and we believe the Apache
foundation would be a great fit. Joining Apache would ensure that tried and
true processes and procedures are in place for the growing number of
organizations interested in contributing to Phoenix. Phoenix is also a good
fit for the Apache foundation: Phoenix already interoperates with several
existing Apache projects (HBase, Hadoop, Pig, BigTop). The Phoenix team is
familiar with the Apache process and and believes in the Apache mission -
the team already includes multiple Apache committers.

Initial Goals

The initial goals will be to move the existing codebase to Apache and
integrate with the Apache development process. Once this is accomplished,
we plan for incremental development and releases that follow the Apache
guidelines.

Current Status

Phoenix has undergone two major and three minor releases (1.0, 1.1, 1.2,
2.0, and 2.1) as well as many patch releases. Phoenix is being used in
production by Salesforce.com as well as at other organizations. The Phoenix
codebase is currently hosted at github.com, which will form the basis of
the Apache git repository.

Meritocracy

The Phoenix project already operates on meritocratic principles. Phoenix
has several developers from various organizations outside of Salesforce.com
who have contributed major new features. While this process has remained
mostly informal, as we do not have an official committer list, an implicit
organization exists in which individuals who contribute major components
act as maintainers for those modules. If accepted, the Phoenix project
would include several of these participants as initial committers. We will
work to identify all committers and PPMC members for the project and to
operate under the ASF meritocratic principles.

Community

Acceptance into the Apache foundation would bolster the already strong user
and developer community around Phoenix. That community includes many
contributors from various other companies, and an active mailing list
composed of hundreds of users.

Core Developers

The core developers of our project are listed in our contributors and
initial PPMC below. Though many are employed at Salesforce.com, there is a
representative cross sampling of other organizations including Intel,
Hortonworks, and Cloudera.

Alignment

Our proposed Phoenix effort aligns closely with Apache HBase. The HBase
project perimeter is denoted by a simple byte-array based Create, Read,
Update, Delete and Scan APIs with no current plans to extend beyond this
bounds. Phoenix complements this with a higher 

RE: [VOTE] Phoenix for incubator project

2013-12-06 Thread Vasudevan, Ramkrishna S
+1 from me.

Regards
Ram

-Original Message-
From: Bruno Mahé [mailto:bm...@apache.org] 
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 3:30 PM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Phoenix for incubator project

On 12/05/2013 01:43 PM, Stack wrote:
 Discussion of the Phoenix proposal has settled since its original 
 posting on November 7th.  Feedback has been incorporated.

 Let us now move to a vote.

 Should Phoenix become an Apache incubator project?

 [] +1 Accept Phoenix into the Incubator [] +0 Don't care whether or 
 which [] -1 Do not accept Phoenix into the Incubator because...

 The latest version of the proposal can be found here [1].  It is also 
 posted below for your convenience.

 Let the vote run 72 hours.

 Thank you,
 St.Ack

 1. https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PhoenixProposal




 Abstract

 Phoenix is an open source SQL query engine for Apache HBase, a NoSQL 
 data store. It is accessed as a JDBC driver and enables querying and 
 managing HBase tables using SQL.

 Proposal

 Phoenix is an open source SQL skin over HBase delivered as a 
 client-embedded JDBC driver targeting low latency queries over HBase data.
 Phoenix takes your SQL query, compiles it into a series of HBase 
 scans, and orchestrates the running of those scans to produce regular 
 JDBC result sets. The table metadata is stored in an HBase table and 
 versioned, such that snapshot queries over prior versions will 
 automatically use the correct schema. Direct use of the HBase API, 
 along with coprocessors and custom filters, results in performance on 
 the order of milliseconds for small queries, or seconds for tens of 
 millions of rows. Phoenix interfaces with both Pig and Map-reduce for the 
 input and output of data.

 Background

 Phoenix initially started as an internal project at Salesforce.com to 
 efficiently analyze big data stored in HBase. It was open sourced on 
 Github about a year ago in Jan 2013. Over time Phoenix, together with 
 HBase as the storage tier, has begun to evolve into a general SQL 
 database with support for metadata management, secondary indexes, 
 joins, query optimization, and multi-tenancy. This is expected to 
 continue as Phoenix implements a cost-based query optimizer and 
 potentially transaction support, and surfaces new HBase security 
 features such as encryption and cell-level security. Phoenix's 
 developer community has also grown to include additional companies 
 such as Intel, who have contributed join support to Phoenix, as well 
 as Hortonworks, who are in the process of porting Phoenix to the 0.96 release 
 of HBase.

 Rationale

 As usage and the number of contributors to Phoenix has grown, we have 
 sought for a long-term home for the project, and we believe the Apache 
 foundation would be a great fit. Joining Apache would ensure that 
 tried and true processes and procedures are in place for the growing 
 number of organizations interested in contributing to Phoenix. Phoenix 
 is also a good fit for the Apache foundation: Phoenix already 
 interoperates with several existing Apache projects (HBase, Hadoop, 
 Pig, BigTop). The Phoenix team is familiar with the Apache process and 
 and believes in the Apache mission - the team already includes multiple 
 Apache committers.

 Initial Goals

 The initial goals will be to move the existing codebase to Apache and 
 integrate with the Apache development process. Once this is 
 accomplished, we plan for incremental development and releases that 
 follow the Apache guidelines.

 Current Status

 Phoenix has undergone two major and three minor releases (1.0, 1.1, 
 1.2, 2.0, and 2.1) as well as many patch releases. Phoenix is being 
 used in production by Salesforce.com as well as at other 
 organizations. The Phoenix codebase is currently hosted at github.com, 
 which will form the basis of the Apache git repository.

 Meritocracy

 The Phoenix project already operates on meritocratic principles. 
 Phoenix has several developers from various organizations outside of 
 Salesforce.com who have contributed major new features. While this 
 process has remained mostly informal, as we do not have an official 
 committer list, an implicit organization exists in which individuals 
 who contribute major components act as maintainers for those modules. 
 If accepted, the Phoenix project would include several of these 
 participants as initial committers. We will work to identify all 
 committers and PPMC members for the project and to operate under the ASF 
 meritocratic principles.

 Community

 Acceptance into the Apache foundation would bolster the already strong 
 user and developer community around Phoenix. That community includes 
 many contributors from various other companies, and an active mailing 
 list composed of hundreds of users.

 Core Developers

 The core developers of our project are listed in our contributors and 
 initial PPMC below. Though many are employed at Salesforce.com, there 
 is a representative 

S4 Podling - May need some help

2013-12-06 Thread John D. Ament
Hi,

I completed my shepherd review of S4 now that their board report is in
place.  Here's a copy:

The board report reflects my sentiments as well.  S4 seems to be in a
bit of rut.  I tried kicking off some conversations on the dev mailing
list, no luck.  It seems like there are at best five active
participants, between the users list and dev list.  Considering that
there hasn't been a commit since last board report, it doesn't come
off as a good sign for me.  I think retirement may be an option to
start exploring.

It seems like through a combination of low dev activity and low user
feedback S4 is having difficulty progressing.

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Re: [VOTE] Phoenix for incubator project

2013-12-06 Thread Jonathan Hsieh
+1


On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Stack st...@duboce.net wrote:

 Discussion of the Phoenix proposal has settled since its original
 posting on November 7th.  Feedback has been incorporated.

 Let us now move to a vote.

 Should Phoenix become an Apache incubator project?

 [] +1 Accept Phoenix into the Incubator
 [] +0 Don't care whether or which
 [] -1 Do not accept Phoenix into the Incubator because...

 The latest version of the proposal can be found here [1].  It is
 also posted below for your convenience.

 Let the vote run 72 hours.

 Thank you,
 St.Ack

 1. https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PhoenixProposal




 Abstract

 Phoenix is an open source SQL query engine for Apache HBase, a NoSQL data
 store. It is accessed as a JDBC driver and enables querying and managing
 HBase tables using SQL.

 Proposal

 Phoenix is an open source SQL skin over HBase delivered as a
 client-embedded JDBC driver targeting low latency queries over HBase data.
 Phoenix takes your SQL query, compiles it into a series of HBase scans, and
 orchestrates the running of those scans to produce regular JDBC result
 sets. The table metadata is stored in an HBase table and versioned, such
 that snapshot queries over prior versions will automatically use the
 correct schema. Direct use of the HBase API, along with coprocessors and
 custom filters, results in performance on the order of milliseconds for
 small queries, or seconds for tens of millions of rows. Phoenix interfaces
 with both Pig and Map-reduce for the input and output of data.

 Background

 Phoenix initially started as an internal project at Salesforce.com to
 efficiently analyze big data stored in HBase. It was open sourced on Github
 about a year ago in Jan 2013. Over time Phoenix, together with HBase as the
 storage tier, has begun to evolve into a general SQL database with support
 for metadata management, secondary indexes, joins, query optimization, and
 multi-tenancy. This is expected to continue as Phoenix implements a
 cost-based query optimizer and potentially transaction support, and
 surfaces new HBase security features such as encryption and cell-level
 security. Phoenix's developer community has also grown to include
 additional companies such as Intel, who have contributed join support to
 Phoenix, as well as Hortonworks, who are in the process of porting Phoenix
 to the 0.96 release of HBase.

 Rationale

 As usage and the number of contributors to Phoenix has grown, we have
 sought for a long-term home for the project, and we believe the Apache
 foundation would be a great fit. Joining Apache would ensure that tried and
 true processes and procedures are in place for the growing number of
 organizations interested in contributing to Phoenix. Phoenix is also a good
 fit for the Apache foundation: Phoenix already interoperates with several
 existing Apache projects (HBase, Hadoop, Pig, BigTop). The Phoenix team is
 familiar with the Apache process and and believes in the Apache mission -
 the team already includes multiple Apache committers.

 Initial Goals

 The initial goals will be to move the existing codebase to Apache and
 integrate with the Apache development process. Once this is accomplished,
 we plan for incremental development and releases that follow the Apache
 guidelines.

 Current Status

 Phoenix has undergone two major and three minor releases (1.0, 1.1, 1.2,
 2.0, and 2.1) as well as many patch releases. Phoenix is being used in
 production by Salesforce.com as well as at other organizations. The Phoenix
 codebase is currently hosted at github.com, which will form the basis of
 the Apache git repository.

 Meritocracy

 The Phoenix project already operates on meritocratic principles. Phoenix
 has several developers from various organizations outside of Salesforce.com
 who have contributed major new features. While this process has remained
 mostly informal, as we do not have an official committer list, an implicit
 organization exists in which individuals who contribute major components
 act as maintainers for those modules. If accepted, the Phoenix project
 would include several of these participants as initial committers. We will
 work to identify all committers and PPMC members for the project and to
 operate under the ASF meritocratic principles.

 Community

 Acceptance into the Apache foundation would bolster the already strong user
 and developer community around Phoenix. That community includes many
 contributors from various other companies, and an active mailing list
 composed of hundreds of users.

 Core Developers

 The core developers of our project are listed in our contributors and
 initial PPMC below. Though many are employed at Salesforce.com, there is a
 representative cross sampling of other organizations including Intel,
 Hortonworks, and Cloudera.

 Alignment

 Our proposed Phoenix effort aligns closely with Apache HBase. The HBase
 project perimeter is denoted by a simple byte-array based Create, Read,
 

Re: Release Verification Checklist

2013-12-06 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 2:32 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
 On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 1:31 AM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com 
 wrote:

   http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/votes/$PODLING/$RC 
 ...

 Added to a new usage proposal section at
 https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ReleaseChecklist - does that
 proposal work for you guys?

I like it. It basically looks like sebb-in-a-box to me (or should
be elastic sebb these days?) ;-)

Thanks,
Roman.

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Re: [VOTE] Phoenix for incubator project

2013-12-06 Thread Devaraj Das
+1 (binding)


On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Jonathan Hsieh j...@cloudera.com wrote:

 +1


 On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Stack st...@duboce.net wrote:

  Discussion of the Phoenix proposal has settled since its original
  posting on November 7th.  Feedback has been incorporated.
 
  Let us now move to a vote.
 
  Should Phoenix become an Apache incubator project?
 
  [] +1 Accept Phoenix into the Incubator
  [] +0 Don't care whether or which
  [] -1 Do not accept Phoenix into the Incubator because...
 
  The latest version of the proposal can be found here [1].  It is
  also posted below for your convenience.
 
  Let the vote run 72 hours.
 
  Thank you,
  St.Ack
 
  1. https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PhoenixProposal
 
 
 
 
  Abstract
 
  Phoenix is an open source SQL query engine for Apache HBase, a NoSQL data
  store. It is accessed as a JDBC driver and enables querying and managing
  HBase tables using SQL.
 
  Proposal
 
  Phoenix is an open source SQL skin over HBase delivered as a
  client-embedded JDBC driver targeting low latency queries over HBase
 data.
  Phoenix takes your SQL query, compiles it into a series of HBase scans,
 and
  orchestrates the running of those scans to produce regular JDBC result
  sets. The table metadata is stored in an HBase table and versioned, such
  that snapshot queries over prior versions will automatically use the
  correct schema. Direct use of the HBase API, along with coprocessors and
  custom filters, results in performance on the order of milliseconds for
  small queries, or seconds for tens of millions of rows. Phoenix
 interfaces
  with both Pig and Map-reduce for the input and output of data.
 
  Background
 
  Phoenix initially started as an internal project at Salesforce.com to
  efficiently analyze big data stored in HBase. It was open sourced on
 Github
  about a year ago in Jan 2013. Over time Phoenix, together with HBase as
 the
  storage tier, has begun to evolve into a general SQL database with
 support
  for metadata management, secondary indexes, joins, query optimization,
 and
  multi-tenancy. This is expected to continue as Phoenix implements a
  cost-based query optimizer and potentially transaction support, and
  surfaces new HBase security features such as encryption and cell-level
  security. Phoenix's developer community has also grown to include
  additional companies such as Intel, who have contributed join support to
  Phoenix, as well as Hortonworks, who are in the process of porting
 Phoenix
  to the 0.96 release of HBase.
 
  Rationale
 
  As usage and the number of contributors to Phoenix has grown, we have
  sought for a long-term home for the project, and we believe the Apache
  foundation would be a great fit. Joining Apache would ensure that tried
 and
  true processes and procedures are in place for the growing number of
  organizations interested in contributing to Phoenix. Phoenix is also a
 good
  fit for the Apache foundation: Phoenix already interoperates with several
  existing Apache projects (HBase, Hadoop, Pig, BigTop). The Phoenix team
 is
  familiar with the Apache process and and believes in the Apache mission -
  the team already includes multiple Apache committers.
 
  Initial Goals
 
  The initial goals will be to move the existing codebase to Apache and
  integrate with the Apache development process. Once this is accomplished,
  we plan for incremental development and releases that follow the Apache
  guidelines.
 
  Current Status
 
  Phoenix has undergone two major and three minor releases (1.0, 1.1, 1.2,
  2.0, and 2.1) as well as many patch releases. Phoenix is being used in
  production by Salesforce.com as well as at other organizations. The
 Phoenix
  codebase is currently hosted at github.com, which will form the basis of
  the Apache git repository.
 
  Meritocracy
 
  The Phoenix project already operates on meritocratic principles. Phoenix
  has several developers from various organizations outside of
 Salesforce.com
  who have contributed major new features. While this process has remained
  mostly informal, as we do not have an official committer list, an
 implicit
  organization exists in which individuals who contribute major components
  act as maintainers for those modules. If accepted, the Phoenix project
  would include several of these participants as initial committers. We
 will
  work to identify all committers and PPMC members for the project and to
  operate under the ASF meritocratic principles.
 
  Community
 
  Acceptance into the Apache foundation would bolster the already strong
 user
  and developer community around Phoenix. That community includes many
  contributors from various other companies, and an active mailing list
  composed of hundreds of users.
 
  Core Developers
 
  The core developers of our project are listed in our contributors and
  initial PPMC below. Though many are employed at Salesforce.com, there is
 a
  representative cross sampling of other 

Re: [VOTE] Phoenix for incubator project

2013-12-06 Thread Sergio Fernández

On 05/12/13 22:43, Stack wrote:

Should Phoenix become an Apache incubator project?

[] +1 Accept Phoenix into the Incubator
[] +0 Don't care whether or which
[] -1 Do not accept Phoenix into the Incubator because...


+1 (binding)
good luck!

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Re: S4 Podling - May need some help

2013-12-06 Thread Henry Saputra
Any updates from the mentors?

I remember there were some sparks shown to re-energize the community
about few months ago like to have weekly chats

- Henry

On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 4:10 AM, John D. Ament john.d.am...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 I completed my shepherd review of S4 now that their board report is in
 place.  Here's a copy:

 The board report reflects my sentiments as well.  S4 seems to be in a
 bit of rut.  I tried kicking off some conversations on the dev mailing
 list, no luck.  It seems like there are at best five active
 participants, between the users list and dev list.  Considering that
 there hasn't been a commit since last board report, it doesn't come
 off as a good sign for me.  I think retirement may be an option to
 start exploring.

 It seems like through a combination of low dev activity and low user
 feedback S4 is having difficulty progressing.

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Re: [VOTE] Phoenix for incubator project

2013-12-06 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
+1 - binding


Regards,
Alan

On Dec 5, 2013, at 1:43 PM, Stack st...@duboce.net wrote:

 Should Phoenix become an Apache incubator project?
 
 [] +1 Accept Phoenix into the Incubator
 [] +0 Don't care whether or which
 [] -1 Do not accept Phoenix into the Incubator because...



Re: S4 Podling - May need some help

2013-12-06 Thread Patrick Hunt
On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Henry Saputra henry.sapu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Any updates from the mentors?


I reviewed/signedoff on the report. I've commented both in public and
in private to the s4 folks that they should consider retirement as an
option. I was/am waiting to see what the community decides.

Patrick

 I remember there were some sparks shown to re-energize the community
 about few months ago like to have weekly chats

 - Henry

 On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 4:10 AM, John D. Ament john.d.am...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 I completed my shepherd review of S4 now that their board report is in
 place.  Here's a copy:

 The board report reflects my sentiments as well.  S4 seems to be in a
 bit of rut.  I tried kicking off some conversations on the dev mailing
 list, no luck.  It seems like there are at best five active
 participants, between the users list and dev list.  Considering that
 there hasn't been a commit since last board report, it doesn't come
 off as a good sign for me.  I think retirement may be an option to
 start exploring.

 It seems like through a combination of low dev activity and low user
 feedback S4 is having difficulty progressing.

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Re: [VOTE] Phoenix for incubator project

2013-12-06 Thread Misha Nasledov
Stack stack at duboce.net writes:
 Should Phoenix become an Apache incubator project?

+1 (non-binding)


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[DISCUSS] Apache Sirona 0.1-incubating

2013-12-06 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Olivier Lamy ol...@apache.org wrote:
 Hi,

 I'd like to release Apache Sirona 0.1-incubating.

Hi,

I've been compiling the list of Incubator releases for the last report cycle
and I noticed that Sirona 0.1-incubating is in the dist area, but I couldn't
find a RESULT message on general@incubator.

I discovered that a RESULT message had been sent, but only to
dev@sirona.incubator:

http://s.apache.org/GIA

It looks I missed to read some changes in the incubator process rules So
in fact now 3 PPMC are required (see

http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html#glossary-release-manager
) So we are ok and I will finish release process.

Contrary to that message, there has not been any process change yet -- three
IPMC votes are still required to release. The release candidate has 2 as far
as I can see.

Although the bits have already been uploaded, I suggest continuing the vote on
general@incubator.

Marvin Humphrey

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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Sirona 0.1-incubating

2013-12-06 Thread John D. Ament
Hi Marvin,

I just wanted to clarify with you.  What you're saying is that a
podling must have three PPMC votes.  Once that is done, they must then
send the release to the incubator to vote.  Once 3 IPMC's approve it,
it's ready to go, right?

John

On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote:
 On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Olivier Lamy ol...@apache.org wrote:
 Hi,

 I'd like to release Apache Sirona 0.1-incubating.

 Hi,

 I've been compiling the list of Incubator releases for the last report cycle
 and I noticed that Sirona 0.1-incubating is in the dist area, but I couldn't
 find a RESULT message on general@incubator.

 I discovered that a RESULT message had been sent, but only to
 dev@sirona.incubator:

 http://s.apache.org/GIA

 It looks I missed to read some changes in the incubator process rules So
 in fact now 3 PPMC are required (see
 
 http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html#glossary-release-manager
 ) So we are ok and I will finish release process.

 Contrary to that message, there has not been any process change yet -- three
 IPMC votes are still required to release. The release candidate has 2 as far
 as I can see.

 Although the bits have already been uploaded, I suggest continuing the vote on
 general@incubator.

 Marvin Humphrey

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Re: S4 Podling - May need some help

2013-12-06 Thread Henry Saputra
Thanks Patrick.

- Henry

On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Patrick Hunt ph...@apache.org wrote:
 On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Henry Saputra henry.sapu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Any updates from the mentors?


 I reviewed/signedoff on the report. I've commented both in public and
 in private to the s4 folks that they should consider retirement as an
 option. I was/am waiting to see what the community decides.

 Patrick

 I remember there were some sparks shown to re-energize the community
 about few months ago like to have weekly chats

 - Henry

 On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 4:10 AM, John D. Ament john.d.am...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 I completed my shepherd review of S4 now that their board report is in
 place.  Here's a copy:

 The board report reflects my sentiments as well.  S4 seems to be in a
 bit of rut.  I tried kicking off some conversations on the dev mailing
 list, no luck.  It seems like there are at best five active
 participants, between the users list and dev list.  Considering that
 there hasn't been a commit since last board report, it doesn't come
 off as a good sign for me.  I think retirement may be an option to
 start exploring.

 It seems like through a combination of low dev activity and low user
 feedback S4 is having difficulty progressing.

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Re: [VOTE] Phoenix for incubator project

2013-12-06 Thread Joris V . R .
+1 (non-binding)


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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Sirona 0.1-incubating

2013-12-06 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 3:23 PM, John D. Ament john.d.am...@gmail.com wrote:

 I just wanted to clarify with you.  What you're saying is that a
 podling must have three PPMC votes.  Once that is done, they must then
 send the release to the incubator to vote.  Once 3 IPMC's approve it,
 it's ready to go, right?

Here's the official answer, from the Incubator's policy page:

http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Releases

Therefore, should a Podling decide it wishes to perform a release, the
Podling SHALL hold a vote on the Podling's public -dev list. At least
three +1 votes are required (see the Apache Voting Process page). If the
majority of all votes is positive, then the Podling SHALL send a summary
of that vote to the Incubator's general list and formally request the
Incubator PMC approve such a release. Three +1 Incubator PMC votes are
required.

Our release management guide, as is often the case, duplicates information
better described elsewhere, adding inaccuracies and misleading rephrasings.


http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html#glossary-release-manager

Marvin Humphrey

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Re: [VOTE] Phoenix for incubator project

2013-12-06 Thread Mujtaba Chohan
+1 

//mujtaba chohan




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