Re: [DISCUSS] Incubating Proposal of Shenyu
Thanks, Duo. Look forward to a better version of their proposal. Sheng Wu 吴晟 Twitter, wusheng1108 张铎(Duo Zhang) 于2021年4月18日周日 下午12:11写道： > > Thanks Willem for clarifying. > > As long as the community status is not important when joining incubtor(it > is important when graduating), and there are some concerns, let's remove > the sensitive words such as 'diverse' in the proposal, just mention that > the project is already open sourced and has an initial community, so we do > not need to argue on this any more. > And lack of English skill is a problem. Talking with the project leaders, > they need to use google translate a lot when the topic is not about tech, > so it is easy for them to be misunderstood. > > So let's focus on the problems which must be solved before joining the > incubator. I think the initial committer candidate is a problem and I saw > the project leaders have already started to solve it. > > And also, I agree with Willem that, joining incubator does not mean > endorsement from ASF and the mentors about technology. We just want to help > the project to build the community in Apache way in the future. > > Thanks. > > Willem Jiang 于2021年4月17日周六 下午11:08写道： > > > After having some talk with the project leaders, we will start a > > discussion in the dromara community to make a clear initial committer > > choosing standard. > > Then we will update the initial committer list by asking the selected > > committer if they want to join as the initial committer. > > > > BTW, to be more clear, the incubating evaluation process only runs > > some checks on project branding, IP clearance and community related > > issues. > > There is no endorsement of the project's technology from Apache or the > > mentor side if the project is accepted by Apache Incubator. > > > > Willem Jiang > > > > Twitter: willemjiang > > Weibo: 姜宁willem > > > > On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 7:36 AM Justin Mclean > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > >> We have make the election criterion of initial committer: continuously > > > >> contribute for the last one year, code of lines over 3000, commits > > over 15. > > > > > > While not as high as some TLP this seems a little too high to me. A year > > is a long time for someone to hang about on the chance they become a > > committer. They will probably make your incubation journey longer. It’s > > also important to remember that people should b able to become committers > > by not contributing code but by helping out in other ways, in particular > > anything to do with community building. > > > > > > >> So Yonglun Zhang, Jinwei Qin and Lei Zhang will be removed from the > > > >> committers list. > > > > > > There is no real harm is having more initial committers. The PMC / > > committer list can be refined at graduation and people who have not made > > contributions removed. > > > > > > >> During 2020-11~2020-12, we held source code sharing events. > > > > > > Who was involved in the organisation f these events, I hope they are on > > the initial committer list. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Justin > > > > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Incubating Proposal of Shenyu
Thanks Willem for clarifying. As long as the community status is not important when joining incubtor(it is important when graduating), and there are some concerns, let's remove the sensitive words such as 'diverse' in the proposal, just mention that the project is already open sourced and has an initial community, so we do not need to argue on this any more. And lack of English skill is a problem. Talking with the project leaders, they need to use google translate a lot when the topic is not about tech, so it is easy for them to be misunderstood. So let's focus on the problems which must be solved before joining the incubator. I think the initial committer candidate is a problem and I saw the project leaders have already started to solve it. And also, I agree with Willem that, joining incubator does not mean endorsement from ASF and the mentors about technology. We just want to help the project to build the community in Apache way in the future. Thanks. Willem Jiang 于2021年4月17日周六 下午11:08写道： > After having some talk with the project leaders, we will start a > discussion in the dromara community to make a clear initial committer > choosing standard. > Then we will update the initial committer list by asking the selected > committer if they want to join as the initial committer. > > BTW, to be more clear, the incubating evaluation process only runs > some checks on project branding, IP clearance and community related > issues. > There is no endorsement of the project's technology from Apache or the > mentor side if the project is accepted by Apache Incubator. > > Willem Jiang > > Twitter: willemjiang > Weibo: 姜宁willem > > On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 7:36 AM Justin Mclean > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > >> We have make the election criterion of initial committer: continuously > > >> contribute for the last one year, code of lines over 3000, commits > over 15. > > > > While not as high as some TLP this seems a little too high to me. A year > is a long time for someone to hang about on the chance they become a > committer. They will probably make your incubation journey longer. It’s > also important to remember that people should b able to become committers > by not contributing code but by helping out in other ways, in particular > anything to do with community building. > > > > >> So Yonglun Zhang, Jinwei Qin and Lei Zhang will be removed from the > > >> committers list. > > > > There is no real harm is having more initial committers. The PMC / > committer list can be refined at graduation and people who have not made > contributions removed. > > > > >> During 2020-11~2020-12, we held source code sharing events. > > > > Who was involved in the organisation f these events, I hope they are on > the initial committer list. > > > > Thanks, > > Justin > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
Re: [MENTORS] Research on the incubator / mentor interviews
Hi, I was also interviewed and had a nice chat with them. I'm looking forward to what they discover. They already provided done interesting information on an ex-incubating project that is different to most others, will be interesting to see if they can find out why. Justin On Thu, 15 Apr 2021, 7:51 am P. Taylor Goetz, wrote: > They contacted me directly and I agreed. Apparently I was the first > interview today. > > They are super nice and extremely appreciative of participation. What they > are doing is also really interesting and the results of the study will > likely benefit the Incubator and the ASF. > > I highly recommend other mentors, whether past or present, participate if > requested. > > -Taylor > > > On Apr 7, 2021, at 8:57 PM, Justin Mclean > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > A National Science Foundation-funding research team may be asking you > for an interview to help them understand the ASF mentoring program. > > > > They are interested in mentors experiences and perspectives in the > Incubator and understand how mentors contribute to the successful > graduation of podlings. The team is sending requests to some mentors for an > interview. I’ll be taking part, and I hope you do as well. They are > interested in sharing any results of their research with us. I think their > insights would be a great help to the Incubator and current and future > mentors. > > > > Here’s a brief overview of the project: > > > > “Jumpstarting Successful Open-Source Software Projects With > Evidence-Based Rules and Structures” is a National Science > Foundation-funded project that aims to understand how governance impacts > the success of open source software. The multidisciplinary research team > includes empirical software engineers and social scientists with diverse > expertise in research methods--including publicly available data, > interviews, and surveys--working together to understand sustainability in > contributions to open-source software. > > > > If you want to know more about the project, please ask. > > > > Kind Regards, > > Justin > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
Re: [DISCUSS] Incubating Proposal of Shenyu
Hi Willem Really appreciated. Please guide them to evaluate the status of the community, and open the status to the Incubator and IPMC. And this will be super important in their incubating and further journey in the ASF. Like all podling and TLP reports required, please explain the meaning of metrics, don't just show numbers. Sheng Wu 吴晟 Twitter, wusheng1108 Willem Jiang 于2021年4月17日周六 下午11:01写道： > > After having some talk with the project leaders, we will start a > discussion in the dromara community to make a clear initial committer > choosing standard. > Then we will update the initial committer list by asking the selected > committer if they want to join as the initial committer. > > BTW, to be more clear, the incubating evaluation process only runs > some checks on project branding, IP clearance and community related > issues. > There is no endorsement of the project's technology from Apache or the > mentor side if the project is accepted by Apache Incubator. > > Willem Jiang > > Twitter: willemjiang > Weibo: 姜宁willem > > On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 7:36 AM Justin Mclean > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > >> We have make the election criterion of initial committer: continuously > > >> contribute for the last one year, code of lines over 3000, commits over > > >> 15. > > > > While not as high as some TLP this seems a little too high to me. A year is > > a long time for someone to hang about on the chance they become a > > committer. They will probably make your incubation journey longer. It’s > > also important to remember that people should b able to become committers > > by not contributing code but by helping out in other ways, in particular > > anything to do with community building. > > > > >> So Yonglun Zhang, Jinwei Qin and Lei Zhang will be removed from the > > >> committers list. > > > > There is no real harm is having more initial committers. The PMC / > > committer list can be refined at graduation and people who have not made > > contributions removed. > > > > >> During 2020-11~2020-12, we held source code sharing events. > > > > Who was involved in the organisation f these events, I hope they are on the > > initial committer list. > > > > Thanks, > > Justin > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Re: [DISCUSS] Incubating Proposal of Shenyu
Willem Jiang Twitter: willemjiang Weibo: 姜宁willem On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 8:05 PM Atri Sharma wrote: > > I just read this thread and tend to agree with Sheng on the fact that the > community might not be too diverse at this point. > > However, I also agree on another point he said — which is that the > community need not be diverse from the get go. All that is really required > for a project to start in the Incubator is IP clearance and enough > committers to not let this project die immediately. > > In my assessment, ShenYu has these two boxes checked. > > I would suggest that we take a note of the need of a more diverse community > and proceed on, and assess the situation if/when ShenYu comes to a point of > discussing graduation. > > Thoughts? > I agree, currently we don't need to prove the project community to be diverse enough to be accepted as a podling project. We just need to make sure the project has enough initial committer to keep the project running. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Incubating Proposal of Shenyu
Hi, I also agree on reevaluating the initial committer list and bringing more people. I also felt this while reading the thread, that there's a language communication gap and may have caused some misunderstandings. Basically initial project maintainers / committers may have made several assumptions of the incubation checklist, while writing this proposal, thinking that they need to defend everything that's on the proposal in order to get accepted. They probably have made some mistakes in writing the proposal as well. These are okay and that's why we have proposal discussion here, we can take things from here. Sheng's main argument is to state the true status of the community in the proposal. This doesn't mean your proposal will get evaluated based on this. It's okay to not have a perfect or diversified community at this time of proposal. This is to understand the risks involved, and try to address these day one in the incubation process. But in order to do this, we need to admit / accept the current status where we are at right now. For the very limited interaction I had, what I can say is, there is some great interest from project members to become an Apache project. Technology point of view, they have done some promising work. Regards Kevin On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 8:31 PM Willem Jiang wrote: > After having some talk with the project leaders, we will start a > discussion in the dromara community to make a clear initial committer > choosing standard. > Then we will update the initial committer list by asking the selected > committer if they want to join as the initial committer. > > BTW, to be more clear, the incubating evaluation process only runs > some checks on project branding, IP clearance and community related > issues. > There is no endorsement of the project's technology from Apache or the > mentor side if the project is accepted by Apache Incubator. > > Willem Jiang > > Twitter: willemjiang > Weibo: 姜宁willem > > On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 7:36 AM Justin Mclean > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > >> We have make the election criterion of initial committer: continuously > > >> contribute for the last one year, code of lines over 3000, commits > over 15. > > > > While not as high as some TLP this seems a little too high to me. A year > is a long time for someone to hang about on the chance they become a > committer. They will probably make your incubation journey longer. It’s > also important to remember that people should b able to become committers > by not contributing code but by helping out in other ways, in particular > anything to do with community building. > > > > >> So Yonglun Zhang, Jinwei Qin and Lei Zhang will be removed from the > > >> committers list. > > > > There is no real harm is having more initial committers. The PMC / > committer list can be refined at graduation and people who have not made > contributions removed. > > > > >> During 2020-11~2020-12, we held source code sharing events. > > > > Who was involved in the organisation f these events, I hope they are on > the initial committer list. > > > > Thanks, > > Justin > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
Re: [DISCUSS] Incubating Proposal of Shenyu
After having some talk with the project leaders, we will start a discussion in the dromara community to make a clear initial committer choosing standard. Then we will update the initial committer list by asking the selected committer if they want to join as the initial committer. BTW, to be more clear, the incubating evaluation process only runs some checks on project branding, IP clearance and community related issues. There is no endorsement of the project's technology from Apache or the mentor side if the project is accepted by Apache Incubator. Willem Jiang Twitter: willemjiang Weibo: 姜宁willem On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 7:36 AM Justin Mclean wrote: > > Hi, > > >> We have make the election criterion of initial committer: continuously > >> contribute for the last one year, code of lines over 3000, commits over 15. > > While not as high as some TLP this seems a little too high to me. A year is a > long time for someone to hang about on the chance they become a committer. > They will probably make your incubation journey longer. It’s also important > to remember that people should b able to become committers by not > contributing code but by helping out in other ways, in particular anything to > do with community building. > > >> So Yonglun Zhang, Jinwei Qin and Lei Zhang will be removed from the > >> committers list. > > There is no real harm is having more initial committers. The PMC / committer > list can be refined at graduation and people who have not made contributions > removed. > > >> During 2020-11~2020-12, we held source code sharing events. > > Who was involved in the organisation f these events, I hope they are on the > initial committer list. > > Thanks, > Justin > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Incubating Proposal of Shenyu
+1, having too high a bar for initial committership can be detrimental to the project. On Sat, 17 Apr 2021 at 5:06 AM, Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > >> We have make the election criterion of initial committer: continuously > >> contribute for the last one year, code of lines over 3000, commits over > 15. > > While not as high as some TLP this seems a little too high to me. A year > is a long time for someone to hang about on the chance they become a > committer. They will probably make your incubation journey longer. It’s > also important to remember that people should b able to become committers > by not contributing code but by helping out in other ways, in particular > anything to do with community building. > > >> So Yonglun Zhang, Jinwei Qin and Lei Zhang will be removed from the > >> committers list. > > There is no real harm is having more initial committers. The PMC / > committer list can be refined at graduation and people who have not made > contributions removed. > > >> During 2020-11~2020-12, we held source code sharing events. > > Who was involved in the organisation f these events, I hope they are on > the initial committer list. > > Thanks, > Justin > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > -- Regards, Atri Apache Concerted
Re: Re: [DISCUSS] Incubating Proposal of Shenyu
I just read this thread and tend to agree with Sheng on the fact that the community might not be too diverse at this point. However, I also agree on another point he said — which is that the community need not be diverse from the get go. All that is really required for a project to start in the Incubator is IP clearance and enough committers to not let this project die immediately. In my assessment, ShenYu has these two boxes checked. I would suggest that we take a note of the need of a more diverse community and proceed on, and assess the situation if/when ShenYu comes to a point of discussing graduation. Thoughts? On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 at 9:15 PM, Sheng Wu wrote: > > We have make the election criterion of initial committer: continuously > contribute for the last one year, code of lines over 3000, commits over 15. > > Where did you make the decision? Either Chinese or English both work for > me. > > > As the clarification above, they are volunteer contributors. > > #4 SteNicholas Not reach the election criterion of initial committer. > > #7 huangxfchn Not reach the election criterion of initial committer. > > #10 Technoboy- Not reach the election criterion of initial committer. > > What do you mean? I can see > SteNicholas > 33 commits11,471 ++3,519 -- > huangxfchn > 17 commits3,380 ++525 -- > > You could check on your own. > > > > how could so many > > people do the commit in such as short term, if there isn't a task > > assignment? > > During 2020-11~2020-12, we held source code sharing events. Many source > > code enthusiasts are very interested and actively participate in the > > discussion. > > I am not new as a part of open source, especially all kinds of events > hosted in China. > I never saw an event that could have so many people to contribute to a > project in such short term. > > 2020-12-1 35 > > 2020-12-15 108 > From the statistic(if not wrong), it is only 14 days(2 weeks), having > 73 new code contributors. > I don't know what could make this done. I guess only you own knowing > what happened. > _ > > Back to the start point, I don't want to keep arguing, as this already > makes me feel, the initial committer team doesn't understand what is > incubating for, and what ASF and incubator value. > **the keys to a proposal are to prove this project is not running into > an orphan project directly, and we have a clear IP clearance > continue.** > The initial committer team seems to keep trying to prove Shenyu is > already a diverse and mature community already. > From this point, I would say NO, it isn't. Why are you keeping to > prove this? You are not graduating. > > I want to hear what your mentors want to say. I don't see any of them > replied to this argument(maybe challenge) > As IPMC, we want the mentor team(initial mentors) to check and provide > some opinions on whether this project is ready for the incubator. > > Please talk deeply first. Current quick replies make me less convinced > and feel backward, > I want to believe this as lacking a language(English) skill, but to be > honest, it isn't like that. > > Sheng Wu 吴晟 > Twitter, wusheng1108 > > Yu Xiao 于2021年4月16日周五 下午11:01写道： > > > > Hi Sheng, > > > > Thanks for your comments. > > > > > I want to highlight the `40 organizations to continue development` and > > > `very popular`, which is not matching what you said, > > > > We changed the statement to "There are at least 100 contributors > > participate in the development of ShenYu project." > > > > > `After all, it is > > > difficult to get more people to participate in the project.` > > > > Sorry for making you confused by the statement. > > > > The original meaning will emerge if we put these two sentences together. > > > > "After all, it is difficult to get more people to participate in the > > project. > > So, in order to get more people involved, we refactored the design, > > optimized and simplified the codes, make it looks very simple." > > > > That means although it is difficult, we successfully made the project > > simple and easy at last. > > > > > As you told, many contributors counted on GitHub actually are not > > volunteers, > > > they are/were assigned to do something. > > > > Sorry for the confusion again. I'd like clarify that all the contributors > > are volunteers. > > > > The words "novice task" are not clear. Maybe these word tend to be > > understood as not volunteer. > > > > It will be clear if I change them to "GitHub issues with 'good first > issue' > > or 'volunteer wanted' label". > > > > We created issues and volunteers can reply if they want to participate. > > They are not passively assigned tasks. > > > > > Initial committers, Yonglun Zhang is not on the top 100 list, Jinwei > > > Qin has only 3 commits(3 are some fix or doc fix) > > > > We have make the election criterion of initial committer: continuously > > contribute for the last one year, code of lines over 3000, commits over > 15. > > > > So Yonglun Zhang, J
Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Hop (incubating) 0.70-rc1
Hi, +1 (binding) from me. I checked: - Incubating in name - DISCLAIMER-WIP exists - No unexpected binary files - Checked PGP signatures - Checked checksums - Code compiles and tests successfully run Kind Regards, Furkan KAMACI On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 5:50 AM Xun Liu wrote: > Hi, > > +1 (no binging) > > I checked: > - incubating in name > - LICENSE seem to include software that is not bundled in the source > release > - NOTICE is fine > - DISCLAIMER-WIP exists > - no unexpected binary files > - all ASF files have ASF headers > > Thanks, > Xun Liu > > On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 2:54 PM Juan Pan wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > +1 binding, Thanks for clarification. > > > > > > > > > > [x] Download links are valid. > > > > [x] Checksums and PGP signatures are valid. > > > > [x] LICENSE, NOTICE and DISCLAIMER-WIP files are correct. > > > > [x] All files have license headers if necessary. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Juan Pan (Trista) > > > > Senior DBA & PMC of Apache ShardingSphere > > E-mail: panj...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > On 04/13/2021 15:15，Hans Van Akelyen wrote： > > Hi Justin, > > > > Thanks for the thorough check, at compile time we have quite a lot of > > category X licensed dependencies, most JDBC drivers are not category A/B, > > all these dependencies are optional and need to be included by the user > if > > he wants to connect to this specific database. We also have Transient > > category X dependencies from other projects (and raised at least one > ticket > > in another project and will continue to do so if we bump into more) > > > > Because of our large list of 3rd party dependencies either our own, or > > transient dependencies from platforms we create connectors for I did a > full > > check and listed all dependencies that are included in the binary release > > [1]. Currently this is maintained manually but we are looking at > automating > > the process and warn us when dependencies that are not allowed are added. > > > > The Exasol dependency and license will be removed in the next release, at > > first glance it seemed it would be allowed. > > > > For the CC-BY issue, how does one remove it from a source release and > > include it in a binary release if the binary release can only be created > > from the sources you are releasing? > > > > Thanks, > > Hans > > > > [1] ./assemblies/static/src/main/resources/THIRD-PARTY.txt > > > > > > On Tue, 13 Apr 2021 at 06:01, Justin Mclean > > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > +1 (binding) because of DISCLAIMER-WIP > > > > I checked: > > - incubating in name > > - signature and hash s fine > > - WIP disclaimer exists > > - no unexpected binary files > > - all source files have ASF headers > > - can compile from source > > > > There some issues: > > - Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 content can’t be included > > in a source release in text form [1] > > - Dependancy on a category X licensed code (see other email) > > - Possible dependancies on [2][3][4] which look to be category X > licenses. > > here may be some more I had a quick skim through the rather large list of > > dependancies. > > > > Thanks, > > Just8in > > > > 1. https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#cc-by > > 2. mysql:mysql-connector-java:8.0.19 > > 3. org.mariadb.jdbc:mariadb-java-client:2.5.1 > > 4. org.json:json:20200518 > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > >
Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Pinot (incubating) 0.7.1 RC0
Hi, +1 (binding) Kind Regards, Furkan KAMACI On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 9:28 AM Fu Xiang wrote: > Thanks, Justin, > > Which OS and maven version are you using? I just ran all the tests on my > ubuntu machine, and it's pretty stable. We will go through your > configuration during next release :P > > Best, > > Xiang > > On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 3:30 PM Justin Mclean > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Changing my vote to +1 (binding). > > > > > Pinot has a nodejs based UI component under pinot-controller > > > < > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-pinot/tree/release-0.7.1-rc0/pinot-controller/src/main/resources > > >. > > > Those dependencies are from the generated directories node_modules/dist > > > after the npm build, which were previously packaged into src dist and > > > removed since this version. > > > > Thanks for the explanation. > > > > > Can I ask for an exception for this release, and I will fix it before > the > > > next release? > > > > Well I guess having extra information in your LICENSE is not as bad as > > missing license information. Please correct this for the next release. > > > > > Regarding the test failing issue, are you running it using JDK 8? > > > > I was using JDK 8 yes. > > > > Thanks, > > Justin > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > -- > Xiang Fu >
