Re: [Discuss] Baremaps Proposal

[Julian Hyde]

I’m happy to have this meeting if and when Baremaps starts incubation. But 
first let’s make the case to the IPMC that Baremaps should be in the Incubator, 
and get the vote passed.

Julian


> On Sep 28, 2022, at 12:45 AM, Bertil Chapuis  wrote:
> 
> 
>>> When I mentor a project (as I have volunteered to do for Baremaps) I
>>> usually host a Zoom meeting with the initial contributors explaining what
>>> really goes on during Incubation. I totally agree that learning the Apache
>>> Way and making releases are key activities. I usually invite other
>>> stakeholders (e.g. contributors’ managers) because people have a lot of
>>> questions, and it helps to set people’s expectations correctly early on.
> 
> This is a good idea. Should I already try to schedule the call? I guess that 
> a time slot between 2pm and 5pm (Zurich time) and between 8am and 11am 
> (Boston time) would be the best. Do you have particular constraints?
> 
 I think we should call out in the proposal of initial goals is learn the
>>> apache way how to make releases within the foundation.  There is much to
>>> learn in the incubating process.
> 
> Good point, I added this “to learn the apache way” at the top of the list.
> 
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Re: [Discuss] Baremaps Proposal

[Bertil Chapuis]

>> When I mentor a project (as I have volunteered to do for Baremaps) I
>> usually host a Zoom meeting with the initial contributors explaining what
>> really goes on during Incubation. I totally agree that learning the Apache
>> Way and making releases are key activities. I usually invite other
>> stakeholders (e.g. contributors’ managers) because people have a lot of
>> questions, and it helps to set people’s expectations correctly early on.

This is a good idea. Should I already try to schedule the call? I guess that a 
time slot between 2pm and 5pm (Zurich time) and between 8am and 11am (Boston 
time) would be the best. Do you have particular constraints?

>>> I think we should call out in the proposal of initial goals is learn the
>> apache way how to make releases within the foundation.  There is much to
>> learn in the incubating process.

Good point, I added this “to learn the apache way” at the top of the list.


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Re: [Discuss] Baremaps Proposal

[Josh Fischer]

+1.  Count me in

On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 5:55 PM Julian Hyde  wrote:

> When I mentor a project (as I have volunteered to do for Baremaps) I
> usually host a Zoom meeting with the initial contributors explaining what
> really goes on during Incubation. I totally agree that learning the Apache
> Way and making releases are key activities. I usually invite other
> stakeholders (e.g. contributors’ managers) because people have a lot of
> questions, and it helps to set people’s expectations correctly early on.
>
> Julian
>
>
> > On Sep 27, 2022, at 3:44 PM, Josh Fischer  wrote:
> >
> > I think we should call out in the proposal of initial goals is learn the
> apache way how to make releases within the foundation.  There is much to
> learn in the incubating process.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 12:22 PM Josh Fischer  > wrote:
> > +1.  Happy to talk anytime.
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 11:29 AM Bertil Chapuis  > wrote:
> > Hi Josh,
> >
> > Glad you are interested in the project, I added you to the list of
> committers in the proposal.
> >
> > I hope to learn more about your Web mapping use cases soon.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Bertil
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 27 Sep 2022, at 04:03, Josh Fischer  j...@joshfischer.io>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Bertil,
> > >
> > > I’d be happy to contribute if you’re interested.
> > >
> > > - Josh
> > >
> > > On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 8:25 AM Bertil Chapuis  > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hello Everyone,
> > >>
> > >> Here is a proposal for Baremaps, a toolkit and a set of infrastructure
> > >> components for creating, publishing, and operating online maps. The
> > >> proposal is published on the wiki [1] and a demonstration of our base
> map
> > >> is available online [2].
> > >>
> > >> The key challenge for Baremaps will be to create a sustainable
> community.
> > >> We appreciate anyone who would be willing to support us with bug
> reports,
> > >> code, mentoring or feedback.
> > >>
> > >> [1] -
> > >>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/Baremaps+Proposal <
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/Baremaps+Proposal>
> > >> [2] - https://demo.baremaps.com/ 
> > >>
> > >> Best regards,
> > >>
> > >> Bertil Chapuis
> > >>
> > >> 
> > >>
> > >> Baremaps Proposal
> > >>
> > >> = Abstract =
> > >> Apache Baremaps is a toolkit and a set of infrastructure components
> for
> > >> creating, publishing, and operating online maps.
> > >>
> > >> = Proposal =
> > >> Apache Baremaps is a toolkit and a set of infrastructure components
> for
> > >> creating, publishing, and operating online maps. It provides a data
> > >> pipeline enabling developers to build maps with different data
> sources. It
> > >> offers live reload capabilities that allow cartographers to customize
> the
> > >> content and the style of a map. It includes an attribution-free map
> schema
> > >> and style that stimulates derived work. Finally, it provides services
> > >> commonly used in online maps, such as location search and IP to
> location.
> > >>
> > >> == Background ==
> > >> The infrastructure components required to publish and operate
> large-scale
> > >> online maps are often closed-source, heterogeneous, complex, and
> expensive.
> > >> For instance: the visualization of maps in Web browsers or on mobile
> > >> devices requires processing and tiling large spatial datasets, such as
> > >> OpenStreetMap; the location of users based on their IP addresses
> requires
> > >> aggregating and merging data from network information centers; the
> ability
> > >> to search in a map requires indexing features based on text and
> spatial
> > >> attributes in different languages.
> > >>
> > >> == Rationale ==
> > >> Web mapping infrastructure is often managed by large teams of
> developers
> > >> (e.g., Google Maps, Apple Maps, Mapbox, etc.), which makes it hard to
> > >> customize and evolve. Apache Baremaps is a Web mapping infrastructure
> for
> > >> the rest of us: it enables individuals and small teams of developers
> to
> > >> regain control over spatial data and to develop custom mapping
> experiences.
> > >> As a result, Apache Baremaps facilitates innovation in niche areas
> where
> > >> resources are limited and customization is needed (e.g., sustainable
> > >> mobility, civil engineering, urban planning, environment monitoring,
> > >> startups, etc.).
> > >>
> > >> == Initial Goals ==
> > >> The primary goals are:
> > >> - to release a customizable attribution-free map schema and style;
> > >> - to publish a tiled world map in different formats (mvt, png, 3D
> Tiles
> > >> Next, etc.);
> > >> - to grow the community and attract new contributors;
> > >> - to release additional services and components (IP to location,
> location
> > >> search, etc.).
> > >>
> > >> == Current Status ==
> > >>
> > >> === Meritocracy ===
> > >> Baremaps is a project initially developed by Berti

Re: [Discuss] Baremaps Proposal

[Julian Hyde]

When I mentor a project (as I have volunteered to do for Baremaps) I usually 
host a Zoom meeting with the initial contributors explaining what really goes 
on during Incubation. I totally agree that learning the Apache Way and making 
releases are key activities. I usually invite other stakeholders (e.g. 
contributors’ managers) because people have a lot of questions, and it helps to 
set people’s expectations correctly early on.

Julian


> On Sep 27, 2022, at 3:44 PM, Josh Fischer  wrote:
> 
> I think we should call out in the proposal of initial goals is learn the 
> apache way how to make releases within the foundation.  There is much to 
> learn in the incubating process. 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 12:22 PM Josh Fischer  > wrote:
> +1.  Happy to talk anytime. 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 11:29 AM Bertil Chapuis  > wrote:
> Hi Josh,
> 
> Glad you are interested in the project, I added you to the list of committers 
> in the proposal.
> 
> I hope to learn more about your Web mapping use cases soon.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Bertil
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > On 27 Sep 2022, at 04:03, Josh Fischer  > > wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Bertil,
> > 
> > I’d be happy to contribute if you’re interested.
> > 
> > - Josh
> > 
> > On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 8:25 AM Bertil Chapuis  > > wrote:
> > 
> >> Hello Everyone,
> >> 
> >> Here is a proposal for Baremaps, a toolkit and a set of infrastructure
> >> components for creating, publishing, and operating online maps. The
> >> proposal is published on the wiki [1] and a demonstration of our base map
> >> is available online [2].
> >> 
> >> The key challenge for Baremaps will be to create a sustainable community.
> >> We appreciate anyone who would be willing to support us with bug reports,
> >> code, mentoring or feedback.
> >> 
> >> [1] -
> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/Baremaps+Proposal 
> >> 
> >> [2] - https://demo.baremaps.com/ 
> >> 
> >> Best regards,
> >> 
> >> Bertil Chapuis
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Baremaps Proposal
> >> 
> >> = Abstract =
> >> Apache Baremaps is a toolkit and a set of infrastructure components for
> >> creating, publishing, and operating online maps.
> >> 
> >> = Proposal =
> >> Apache Baremaps is a toolkit and a set of infrastructure components for
> >> creating, publishing, and operating online maps. It provides a data
> >> pipeline enabling developers to build maps with different data sources. It
> >> offers live reload capabilities that allow cartographers to customize the
> >> content and the style of a map. It includes an attribution-free map schema
> >> and style that stimulates derived work. Finally, it provides services
> >> commonly used in online maps, such as location search and IP to location.
> >> 
> >> == Background ==
> >> The infrastructure components required to publish and operate large-scale
> >> online maps are often closed-source, heterogeneous, complex, and expensive.
> >> For instance: the visualization of maps in Web browsers or on mobile
> >> devices requires processing and tiling large spatial datasets, such as
> >> OpenStreetMap; the location of users based on their IP addresses requires
> >> aggregating and merging data from network information centers; the ability
> >> to search in a map requires indexing features based on text and spatial
> >> attributes in different languages.
> >> 
> >> == Rationale ==
> >> Web mapping infrastructure is often managed by large teams of developers
> >> (e.g., Google Maps, Apple Maps, Mapbox, etc.), which makes it hard to
> >> customize and evolve. Apache Baremaps is a Web mapping infrastructure for
> >> the rest of us: it enables individuals and small teams of developers to
> >> regain control over spatial data and to develop custom mapping experiences.
> >> As a result, Apache Baremaps facilitates innovation in niche areas where
> >> resources are limited and customization is needed (e.g., sustainable
> >> mobility, civil engineering, urban planning, environment monitoring,
> >> startups, etc.).
> >> 
> >> == Initial Goals ==
> >> The primary goals are:
> >> - to release a customizable attribution-free map schema and style;
> >> - to publish a tiled world map in different formats (mvt, png, 3D Tiles
> >> Next, etc.);
> >> - to grow the community and attract new contributors;
> >> - to release additional services and components (IP to location, location
> >> search, etc.).
> >> 
> >> == Current Status ==
> >> 
> >> === Meritocracy ===
> >> Baremaps is a project initially developed by Bertil Chapuis. It has
> >> already attracted outside contributors. Therefore, the process of electing
> >> new committers and project management committee members should be natural.
> >> 
> >> === Community ===
> >> The need for Web mapping infrastructure is great, hence a good potent

Re: [Discuss] Baremaps Proposal

[Josh Fischer]

I think we should call out in the proposal of initial goals is learn the
apache way how to make releases within the foundation.  There is much to
learn in the incubating process.



On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 12:22 PM Josh Fischer  wrote:

> +1.  Happy to talk anytime.
>
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 11:29 AM Bertil Chapuis 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Josh,
>>
>> Glad you are interested in the project, I added you to the list of
>> committers in the proposal.
>>
>> I hope to learn more about your Web mapping use cases soon.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Bertil
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On 27 Sep 2022, at 04:03, Josh Fischer  wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Bertil,
>> >
>> > I’d be happy to contribute if you’re interested.
>> >
>> > - Josh
>> >
>> > On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 8:25 AM Bertil Chapuis 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hello Everyone,
>> >>
>> >> Here is a proposal for Baremaps, a toolkit and a set of infrastructure
>> >> components for creating, publishing, and operating online maps. The
>> >> proposal is published on the wiki [1] and a demonstration of our base
>> map
>> >> is available online [2].
>> >>
>> >> The key challenge for Baremaps will be to create a sustainable
>> community.
>> >> We appreciate anyone who would be willing to support us with bug
>> reports,
>> >> code, mentoring or feedback.
>> >>
>> >> [1] -
>> >>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/Baremaps+Proposal
>> >> [2] - https://demo.baremaps.com/
>> >>
>> >> Best regards,
>> >>
>> >> Bertil Chapuis
>> >>
>> >> 
>> >>
>> >> Baremaps Proposal
>> >>
>> >> = Abstract =
>> >> Apache Baremaps is a toolkit and a set of infrastructure components for
>> >> creating, publishing, and operating online maps.
>> >>
>> >> = Proposal =
>> >> Apache Baremaps is a toolkit and a set of infrastructure components for
>> >> creating, publishing, and operating online maps. It provides a data
>> >> pipeline enabling developers to build maps with different data
>> sources. It
>> >> offers live reload capabilities that allow cartographers to customize
>> the
>> >> content and the style of a map. It includes an attribution-free map
>> schema
>> >> and style that stimulates derived work. Finally, it provides services
>> >> commonly used in online maps, such as location search and IP to
>> location.
>> >>
>> >> == Background ==
>> >> The infrastructure components required to publish and operate
>> large-scale
>> >> online maps are often closed-source, heterogeneous, complex, and
>> expensive.
>> >> For instance: the visualization of maps in Web browsers or on mobile
>> >> devices requires processing and tiling large spatial datasets, such as
>> >> OpenStreetMap; the location of users based on their IP addresses
>> requires
>> >> aggregating and merging data from network information centers; the
>> ability
>> >> to search in a map requires indexing features based on text and spatial
>> >> attributes in different languages.
>> >>
>> >> == Rationale ==
>> >> Web mapping infrastructure is often managed by large teams of
>> developers
>> >> (e.g., Google Maps, Apple Maps, Mapbox, etc.), which makes it hard to
>> >> customize and evolve. Apache Baremaps is a Web mapping infrastructure
>> for
>> >> the rest of us: it enables individuals and small teams of developers to
>> >> regain control over spatial data and to develop custom mapping
>> experiences.
>> >> As a result, Apache Baremaps facilitates innovation in niche areas
>> where
>> >> resources are limited and customization is needed (e.g., sustainable
>> >> mobility, civil engineering, urban planning, environment monitoring,
>> >> startups, etc.).
>> >>
>> >> == Initial Goals ==
>> >> The primary goals are:
>> >> - to release a customizable attribution-free map schema and style;
>> >> - to publish a tiled world map in different formats (mvt, png, 3D Tiles
>> >> Next, etc.);
>> >> - to grow the community and attract new contributors;
>> >> - to release additional services and components (IP to location,
>> location
>> >> search, etc.).
>> >>
>> >> == Current Status ==
>> >>
>> >> === Meritocracy ===
>> >> Baremaps is a project initially developed by Bertil Chapuis. It has
>> >> already attracted outside contributors. Therefore, the process of
>> electing
>> >> new committers and project management committee members should be
>> natural.
>> >>
>> >> === Community ===
>> >> The need for Web mapping infrastructure is great, hence a good
>> potential
>> >> for a diverse community mixing developers and cartographers.
>> >>
>> >> === Core Developers ===
>> >> The contributors to Baremaps include developers from academia and
>> >> industry, mainly located in Europe. The contributions include
>> >> documentation, bug fixes, and new features. Most of the development and
>> >> communication currently takes place on GitHub.
>> >>
>> >> === Alignment ===
>> >> Many critical components used in the geospatial community are released
>> >> under LGPL (e.g., Geotools, Geotoolkit). We are strongly aligned with
>> the
>> >> terms of the Apache license. Joining t

Re: [Discuss] Baremaps Proposal

[Josh Fischer]

+1.  Happy to talk anytime.

On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 11:29 AM Bertil Chapuis  wrote:

> Hi Josh,
>
> Glad you are interested in the project, I added you to the list of
> committers in the proposal.
>
> I hope to learn more about your Web mapping use cases soon.
>
> Best,
>
> Bertil
>
>
>
>
> > On 27 Sep 2022, at 04:03, Josh Fischer  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Bertil,
> >
> > I’d be happy to contribute if you’re interested.
> >
> > - Josh
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 8:25 AM Bertil Chapuis 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello Everyone,
> >>
> >> Here is a proposal for Baremaps, a toolkit and a set of infrastructure
> >> components for creating, publishing, and operating online maps. The
> >> proposal is published on the wiki [1] and a demonstration of our base
> map
> >> is available online [2].
> >>
> >> The key challenge for Baremaps will be to create a sustainable
> community.
> >> We appreciate anyone who would be willing to support us with bug
> reports,
> >> code, mentoring or feedback.
> >>
> >> [1] -
> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/Baremaps+Proposal
> >> [2] - https://demo.baremaps.com/
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> Bertil Chapuis
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >> Baremaps Proposal
> >>
> >> = Abstract =
> >> Apache Baremaps is a toolkit and a set of infrastructure components for
> >> creating, publishing, and operating online maps.
> >>
> >> = Proposal =
> >> Apache Baremaps is a toolkit and a set of infrastructure components for
> >> creating, publishing, and operating online maps. It provides a data
> >> pipeline enabling developers to build maps with different data sources.
> It
> >> offers live reload capabilities that allow cartographers to customize
> the
> >> content and the style of a map. It includes an attribution-free map
> schema
> >> and style that stimulates derived work. Finally, it provides services
> >> commonly used in online maps, such as location search and IP to
> location.
> >>
> >> == Background ==
> >> The infrastructure components required to publish and operate
> large-scale
> >> online maps are often closed-source, heterogeneous, complex, and
> expensive.
> >> For instance: the visualization of maps in Web browsers or on mobile
> >> devices requires processing and tiling large spatial datasets, such as
> >> OpenStreetMap; the location of users based on their IP addresses
> requires
> >> aggregating and merging data from network information centers; the
> ability
> >> to search in a map requires indexing features based on text and spatial
> >> attributes in different languages.
> >>
> >> == Rationale ==
> >> Web mapping infrastructure is often managed by large teams of developers
> >> (e.g., Google Maps, Apple Maps, Mapbox, etc.), which makes it hard to
> >> customize and evolve. Apache Baremaps is a Web mapping infrastructure
> for
> >> the rest of us: it enables individuals and small teams of developers to
> >> regain control over spatial data and to develop custom mapping
> experiences.
> >> As a result, Apache Baremaps facilitates innovation in niche areas where
> >> resources are limited and customization is needed (e.g., sustainable
> >> mobility, civil engineering, urban planning, environment monitoring,
> >> startups, etc.).
> >>
> >> == Initial Goals ==
> >> The primary goals are:
> >> - to release a customizable attribution-free map schema and style;
> >> - to publish a tiled world map in different formats (mvt, png, 3D Tiles
> >> Next, etc.);
> >> - to grow the community and attract new contributors;
> >> - to release additional services and components (IP to location,
> location
> >> search, etc.).
> >>
> >> == Current Status ==
> >>
> >> === Meritocracy ===
> >> Baremaps is a project initially developed by Bertil Chapuis. It has
> >> already attracted outside contributors. Therefore, the process of
> electing
> >> new committers and project management committee members should be
> natural.
> >>
> >> === Community ===
> >> The need for Web mapping infrastructure is great, hence a good potential
> >> for a diverse community mixing developers and cartographers.
> >>
> >> === Core Developers ===
> >> The contributors to Baremaps include developers from academia and
> >> industry, mainly located in Europe. The contributions include
> >> documentation, bug fixes, and new features. Most of the development and
> >> communication currently takes place on GitHub.
> >>
> >> === Alignment ===
> >> Many critical components used in the geospatial community are released
> >> under LGPL (e.g., Geotools, Geotoolkit). We are strongly aligned with
> the
> >> terms of the Apache license. Joining the geospatial community at Apache
> >> will enable us to be less reliant on components with contaminating
> >> licenses. For instance, Apache SIS seeks to become an alternative to
> >> Geotools and Geotoolkit.
> >>
> >> == Known Risks ==
> >>
> >> === Project Name ===
> >> No trademark is associated with the Baremaps name, and the project is
> >> already well referenced by search eng

Re: [Discuss] Baremaps Proposal

[Bertil Chapuis]

Hi Josh,

Glad you are interested in the project, I added you to the list of committers 
in the proposal.

I hope to learn more about your Web mapping use cases soon.

Best,

Bertil




> On 27 Sep 2022, at 04:03, Josh Fischer  wrote:
> 
> Hi Bertil,
> 
> I’d be happy to contribute if you’re interested.
> 
> - Josh
> 
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 8:25 AM Bertil Chapuis  wrote:
> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> Here is a proposal for Baremaps, a toolkit and a set of infrastructure
>> components for creating, publishing, and operating online maps. The
>> proposal is published on the wiki [1] and a demonstration of our base map
>> is available online [2].
>> 
>> The key challenge for Baremaps will be to create a sustainable community.
>> We appreciate anyone who would be willing to support us with bug reports,
>> code, mentoring or feedback.
>> 
>> [1] -
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/Baremaps+Proposal
>> [2] - https://demo.baremaps.com/
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Bertil Chapuis
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Baremaps Proposal
>> 
>> = Abstract =
>> Apache Baremaps is a toolkit and a set of infrastructure components for
>> creating, publishing, and operating online maps.
>> 
>> = Proposal =
>> Apache Baremaps is a toolkit and a set of infrastructure components for
>> creating, publishing, and operating online maps. It provides a data
>> pipeline enabling developers to build maps with different data sources. It
>> offers live reload capabilities that allow cartographers to customize the
>> content and the style of a map. It includes an attribution-free map schema
>> and style that stimulates derived work. Finally, it provides services
>> commonly used in online maps, such as location search and IP to location.
>> 
>> == Background ==
>> The infrastructure components required to publish and operate large-scale
>> online maps are often closed-source, heterogeneous, complex, and expensive.
>> For instance: the visualization of maps in Web browsers or on mobile
>> devices requires processing and tiling large spatial datasets, such as
>> OpenStreetMap; the location of users based on their IP addresses requires
>> aggregating and merging data from network information centers; the ability
>> to search in a map requires indexing features based on text and spatial
>> attributes in different languages.
>> 
>> == Rationale ==
>> Web mapping infrastructure is often managed by large teams of developers
>> (e.g., Google Maps, Apple Maps, Mapbox, etc.), which makes it hard to
>> customize and evolve. Apache Baremaps is a Web mapping infrastructure for
>> the rest of us: it enables individuals and small teams of developers to
>> regain control over spatial data and to develop custom mapping experiences.
>> As a result, Apache Baremaps facilitates innovation in niche areas where
>> resources are limited and customization is needed (e.g., sustainable
>> mobility, civil engineering, urban planning, environment monitoring,
>> startups, etc.).
>> 
>> == Initial Goals ==
>> The primary goals are:
>> - to release a customizable attribution-free map schema and style;
>> - to publish a tiled world map in different formats (mvt, png, 3D Tiles
>> Next, etc.);
>> - to grow the community and attract new contributors;
>> - to release additional services and components (IP to location, location
>> search, etc.).
>> 
>> == Current Status ==
>> 
>> === Meritocracy ===
>> Baremaps is a project initially developed by Bertil Chapuis. It has
>> already attracted outside contributors. Therefore, the process of electing
>> new committers and project management committee members should be natural.
>> 
>> === Community ===
>> The need for Web mapping infrastructure is great, hence a good potential
>> for a diverse community mixing developers and cartographers.
>> 
>> === Core Developers ===
>> The contributors to Baremaps include developers from academia and
>> industry, mainly located in Europe. The contributions include
>> documentation, bug fixes, and new features. Most of the development and
>> communication currently takes place on GitHub.
>> 
>> === Alignment ===
>> Many critical components used in the geospatial community are released
>> under LGPL (e.g., Geotools, Geotoolkit). We are strongly aligned with the
>> terms of the Apache license. Joining the geospatial community at Apache
>> will enable us to be less reliant on components with contaminating
>> licenses. For instance, Apache SIS seeks to become an alternative to
>> Geotools and Geotoolkit.
>> 
>> == Known Risks ==
>> 
>> === Project Name ===
>> No trademark is associated with the Baremaps name, and the project is
>> already well referenced by search engines. The .com, .org, and .net domains
>> are the property of Bertil Chapuis, who agrees to transfer them to the
>> Apache Software Foundation unconditionally upon request.
>> 
>> === Orphaned Products ===
>> There is a risk of being orphaned due to the small number of committers.
>> Even if the main contributor has no plan to 

Re: [Discuss] Baremaps Proposal

[Josh Fischer]

Hi Bertil,

I’d be happy to contribute if you’re interested.

- Josh

On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 8:25 AM Bertil Chapuis  wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
>
> Here is a proposal for Baremaps, a toolkit and a set of infrastructure
> components for creating, publishing, and operating online maps. The
> proposal is published on the wiki [1] and a demonstration of our base map
> is available online [2].
>
> The key challenge for Baremaps will be to create a sustainable community.
> We appreciate anyone who would be willing to support us with bug reports,
> code, mentoring or feedback.
>
> [1] -
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/Baremaps+Proposal
> [2] - https://demo.baremaps.com/
>
> Best regards,
>
> Bertil Chapuis
>
> 
>
> Baremaps Proposal
>
> = Abstract =
> Apache Baremaps is a toolkit and a set of infrastructure components for
> creating, publishing, and operating online maps.
>
> = Proposal =
> Apache Baremaps is a toolkit and a set of infrastructure components for
> creating, publishing, and operating online maps. It provides a data
> pipeline enabling developers to build maps with different data sources. It
> offers live reload capabilities that allow cartographers to customize the
> content and the style of a map. It includes an attribution-free map schema
> and style that stimulates derived work. Finally, it provides services
> commonly used in online maps, such as location search and IP to location.
>
> == Background ==
> The infrastructure components required to publish and operate large-scale
> online maps are often closed-source, heterogeneous, complex, and expensive.
> For instance: the visualization of maps in Web browsers or on mobile
> devices requires processing and tiling large spatial datasets, such as
> OpenStreetMap; the location of users based on their IP addresses requires
> aggregating and merging data from network information centers; the ability
> to search in a map requires indexing features based on text and spatial
> attributes in different languages.
>
> == Rationale ==
> Web mapping infrastructure is often managed by large teams of developers
> (e.g., Google Maps, Apple Maps, Mapbox, etc.), which makes it hard to
> customize and evolve. Apache Baremaps is a Web mapping infrastructure for
> the rest of us: it enables individuals and small teams of developers to
> regain control over spatial data and to develop custom mapping experiences.
> As a result, Apache Baremaps facilitates innovation in niche areas where
> resources are limited and customization is needed (e.g., sustainable
> mobility, civil engineering, urban planning, environment monitoring,
> startups, etc.).
>
> == Initial Goals ==
> The primary goals are:
> - to release a customizable attribution-free map schema and style;
> - to publish a tiled world map in different formats (mvt, png, 3D Tiles
> Next, etc.);
> - to grow the community and attract new contributors;
> - to release additional services and components (IP to location, location
> search, etc.).
>
> == Current Status ==
>
> === Meritocracy ===
> Baremaps is a project initially developed by Bertil Chapuis. It has
> already attracted outside contributors. Therefore, the process of electing
> new committers and project management committee members should be natural.
>
> === Community ===
> The need for Web mapping infrastructure is great, hence a good potential
> for a diverse community mixing developers and cartographers.
>
> === Core Developers ===
> The contributors to Baremaps include developers from academia and
> industry, mainly located in Europe. The contributions include
> documentation, bug fixes, and new features. Most of the development and
> communication currently takes place on GitHub.
>
> === Alignment ===
> Many critical components used in the geospatial community are released
> under LGPL (e.g., Geotools, Geotoolkit). We are strongly aligned with the
> terms of the Apache license. Joining the geospatial community at Apache
> will enable us to be less reliant on components with contaminating
> licenses. For instance, Apache SIS seeks to become an alternative to
> Geotools and Geotoolkit.
>
> == Known Risks ==
>
> === Project Name ===
> No trademark is associated with the Baremaps name, and the project is
> already well referenced by search engines. The .com, .org, and .net domains
> are the property of Bertil Chapuis, who agrees to transfer them to the
> Apache Software Foundation unconditionally upon request.
>
> === Orphaned Products ===
> There is a risk of being orphaned due to the small number of committers.
> Even if the main contributor has no plan to leave the project, this is a
> problem we need to address in the future.
>
> === Inexperience with open source ===
> The initial committers contributed to open source projects in the past but
> have only a few experiences with the governance of open source projects in
> a Foundation such as Apache.
>
> === Length of incubation ===
> We expect to achieve most of the initial 

Re: [Discuss] Baremaps Proposal

[Calvin Kirs]

On Fri, Sep 23, 2022 at 9:35 PM Bertil Chapuis  wrote:
>
> Thank you all for the positive feedbacks.
>
> Following Calvin's comment, I contacted more contributors and added Léonard 
> Besseau to the list of committers. He would be interested to contribute to 
> the project in his free time.
Thank you:) +1 from me and looking forward other people to the
feedback on the incubation proposal.
>
> > On 20 Sep 2022, at 13:53, Bertil Chapuis  wrote:
> >
> > Hello Calvin,
> >
> >> On 20 Sep 2022, at 05:44, Calvin Kirs  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> It seems like an interesting project, if you need mentor, you can count me 
> >> in.
> >
> > With pleasure, I added you to the list of mentors.
> >
> >> I have  one question:  I quick check to see [1],
> >>
> >> It seems that you are the only one of the initial committers who has a
> >> commit in 2022.
> >
> > Yes, this year, a colleague and I spent a lot of time on the basemap [1]. 
> > As we progressed toward creating a full-featured map style, we encountered 
> > limitations with the JSON configuration files and experimented with other 
> > approaches (YAML, etc.). Eventually, we moved to javascript, which allows 
> > us to split the configuration into several files and to manage complex 
> > styling directives more easily (comments, variables, functions, etc.). The 
> > basemap has now been merged into the main repository with a single commit 
> > [2]. My goal is now to stabilise this feature and to focus more on building 
> > the community.
> >
> > [1] https://github.com/baremaps/openstreetmap-vecto
> > [2] 
> > https://github.com/baremaps/baremaps/commit/17be0caba7378943adea984d6aebfbb94e71aabd
> >
> >> The top four contributors in [1]  Their total LOC looks good. If you
> >> think they have a good understanding of the project, I suggest adding
> >> them as well.
> >
> > This is a good idea. I will contact them and check if they are interested 
> > in joining the project as commiters.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Bertil
> >
> >> [1]https://github.com/baremaps/baremaps/graphs/contributors?from=2022-01-02&to=2022-09-20&type=c
> >>
> >> Nathan Hartman  于2022年9月16日周五 22:56写道：
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 9:25 AM Bertil Chapuis  wrote:
> 
>  Hello Everyone,
> 
>  Here is a proposal for Baremaps, a toolkit and a set of infrastructure 
>  components for creating, publishing, and operating online maps. The 
>  proposal is published on the wiki [1] and a demonstration of our base 
>  map is available online [2].
> 
>  The key challenge for Baremaps will be to create a sustainable 
>  community. We appreciate anyone who would be willing to support us with 
>  bug reports, code, mentoring or feedback.
> 
>  [1] - 
>  https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/Baremaps+Proposal
>  [2] - https://demo.baremaps.com/
> 
>  Best regards,
> 
>  Bertil Chapuis
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> This is very cool!
> >>>
> >>> Thank you for your very candid proposal, and demonstration site. Your
> >>> assessment of licensing concerns in particular and interest in joining
> >>> the ASF specifically because of the high bar for bringing in 3rd party
> >>> code is, I think, a good fit here.
> >>>
> >>> Although I am inundated with other work at the moment and will
> >>> probably not be able to contribute to this project, I do think that a
> >>> move to ASF should benefit Baremaps and the ASF in the long run, and I
> >>> would like to offer my words of encouragement.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Nathan
> >>>
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Re: [Discuss] Baremaps Proposal

[Bertil Chapuis]

Thank you all for the positive feedbacks. 

Following Calvin's comment, I contacted more contributors and added Léonard 
Besseau to the list of committers. He would be interested to contribute to the 
project in his free time.

> On 20 Sep 2022, at 13:53, Bertil Chapuis  wrote:
> 
> Hello Calvin,
> 
>> On 20 Sep 2022, at 05:44, Calvin Kirs  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> It seems like an interesting project, if you need mentor, you can count me 
>> in.
> 
> With pleasure, I added you to the list of mentors.
> 
>> I have  one question:  I quick check to see [1],
>> 
>> It seems that you are the only one of the initial committers who has a
>> commit in 2022.
> 
> Yes, this year, a colleague and I spent a lot of time on the basemap [1]. As 
> we progressed toward creating a full-featured map style, we encountered 
> limitations with the JSON configuration files and experimented with other 
> approaches (YAML, etc.). Eventually, we moved to javascript, which allows us 
> to split the configuration into several files and to manage complex styling 
> directives more easily (comments, variables, functions, etc.). The basemap 
> has now been merged into the main repository with a single commit [2]. My 
> goal is now to stabilise this feature and to focus more on building the 
> community.
> 
> [1] https://github.com/baremaps/openstreetmap-vecto
> [2] 
> https://github.com/baremaps/baremaps/commit/17be0caba7378943adea984d6aebfbb94e71aabd
> 
>> The top four contributors in [1]  Their total LOC looks good. If you
>> think they have a good understanding of the project, I suggest adding
>> them as well.
> 
> This is a good idea. I will contact them and check if they are interested in 
> joining the project as commiters.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Bertil
> 
>> [1]https://github.com/baremaps/baremaps/graphs/contributors?from=2022-01-02&to=2022-09-20&type=c
>> 
>> Nathan Hartman  于2022年9月16日周五 22:56写道：
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 9:25 AM Bertil Chapuis  wrote:
 
 Hello Everyone,
 
 Here is a proposal for Baremaps, a toolkit and a set of infrastructure 
 components for creating, publishing, and operating online maps. The 
 proposal is published on the wiki [1] and a demonstration of our base map 
 is available online [2].
 
 The key challenge for Baremaps will be to create a sustainable community. 
 We appreciate anyone who would be willing to support us with bug reports, 
 code, mentoring or feedback.
 
 [1] - 
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/Baremaps+Proposal
 [2] - https://demo.baremaps.com/
 
 Best regards,
 
 Bertil Chapuis
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This is very cool!
>>> 
>>> Thank you for your very candid proposal, and demonstration site. Your
>>> assessment of licensing concerns in particular and interest in joining
>>> the ASF specifically because of the high bar for bringing in 3rd party
>>> code is, I think, a good fit here.
>>> 
>>> Although I am inundated with other work at the moment and will
>>> probably not be able to contribute to this project, I do think that a
>>> move to ASF should benefit Baremaps and the ASF in the long run, and I
>>> would like to offer my words of encouragement.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Nathan
>>> 
>>> -
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>>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Discuss] Baremaps Proposal

[Bertil Chapuis]

Thank you, Sedona looks really great (and I probably just found a first 
opportunity to collaborate ;-)

https://github.com/apache/incubator-sedona/pull/692#issuecomment-1252805210


> On 20 Sep 2022, at 20:01, Jia Yu  wrote:
> 
> Excited to see another geospatial library wanting to join ASF! Apache
> Sedona (https://sedona.apache.org/) is another podling at the incubator.
> Maybe one day we can collaborate!
> 
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 4:53 AM Bertil Chapuis  wrote:
> 
>> Hello Calvin,
>> 
>>> On 20 Sep 2022, at 05:44, Calvin Kirs  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> It seems like an interesting project, if you need mentor, you can count
>> me in.
>> 
>> With pleasure, I added you to the list of mentors.
>> 
>>> I have  one question:  I quick check to see [1],
>>> 
>>> It seems that you are the only one of the initial committers who has a
>>> commit in 2022.
>> 
>> Yes, this year, a colleague and I spent a lot of time on the basemap [1].
>> As we progressed toward creating a full-featured map style, we encountered
>> limitations with the JSON configuration files and experimented with other
>> approaches (YAML, etc.). Eventually, we moved to javascript, which allows
>> us to split the configuration into several files and to manage complex
>> styling directives more easily (comments, variables, functions, etc.). The
>> basemap has now been merged into the main repository with a single commit
>> [2]. My goal is now to stabilise this feature and to focus more on building
>> the community.
>> 
>> [1] https://github.com/baremaps/openstreetmap-vecto
>> [2]
>> https://github.com/baremaps/baremaps/commit/17be0caba7378943adea984d6aebfbb94e71aabd
>> 
>>> The top four contributors in [1]  Their total LOC looks good. If you
>>> think they have a good understanding of the project, I suggest adding
>>> them as well.
>> 
>> This is a good idea. I will contact them and check if they are interested
>> in joining the project as commiters.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Bertil
>> 
>>> [1]
>> https://github.com/baremaps/baremaps/graphs/contributors?from=2022-01-02&to=2022-09-20&type=c
>>> 
>>> Nathan Hartman  于2022年9月16日周五 22:56写道：
 
 On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 9:25 AM Bertil Chapuis 
>> wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Here is a proposal for Baremaps, a toolkit and a set of infrastructure
>> components for creating, publishing, and operating online maps. The
>> proposal is published on the wiki [1] and a demonstration of our base map
>> is available online [2].
> 
> The key challenge for Baremaps will be to create a sustainable
>> community. We appreciate anyone who would be willing to support us with bug
>> reports, code, mentoring or feedback.
> 
> [1] -
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/Baremaps+Proposal
> [2] - https://demo.baremaps.com/
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Bertil Chapuis
 
 
 This is very cool!
 
 Thank you for your very candid proposal, and demonstration site. Your
 assessment of licensing concerns in particular and interest in joining
 the ASF specifically because of the high bar for bringing in 3rd party
 code is, I think, a good fit here.
 
 Although I am inundated with other work at the moment and will
 probably not be able to contribute to this project, I do think that a
 move to ASF should benefit Baremaps and the ASF in the long run, and I
 would like to offer my words of encouragement.
 
 Cheers,
 Nathan
 
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Re: [Discuss] Baremaps Proposal

[Jia Yu]

Excited to see another geospatial library wanting to join ASF! Apache
Sedona (https://sedona.apache.org/) is another podling at the incubator.
Maybe one day we can collaborate!

On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 4:53 AM Bertil Chapuis  wrote:

> Hello Calvin,
>
> > On 20 Sep 2022, at 05:44, Calvin Kirs  wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >  It seems like an interesting project, if you need mentor, you can count
> me in.
>
> With pleasure, I added you to the list of mentors.
>
> > I have  one question:  I quick check to see [1],
> >
> > It seems that you are the only one of the initial committers who has a
> > commit in 2022.
>
> Yes, this year, a colleague and I spent a lot of time on the basemap [1].
> As we progressed toward creating a full-featured map style, we encountered
> limitations with the JSON configuration files and experimented with other
> approaches (YAML, etc.). Eventually, we moved to javascript, which allows
> us to split the configuration into several files and to manage complex
> styling directives more easily (comments, variables, functions, etc.). The
> basemap has now been merged into the main repository with a single commit
> [2]. My goal is now to stabilise this feature and to focus more on building
> the community.
>
> [1] https://github.com/baremaps/openstreetmap-vecto
> [2]
> https://github.com/baremaps/baremaps/commit/17be0caba7378943adea984d6aebfbb94e71aabd
>
> > The top four contributors in [1]  Their total LOC looks good. If you
> > think they have a good understanding of the project, I suggest adding
> > them as well.
>
> This is a good idea. I will contact them and check if they are interested
> in joining the project as commiters.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Bertil
>
> > [1]
> https://github.com/baremaps/baremaps/graphs/contributors?from=2022-01-02&to=2022-09-20&type=c
> >
> > Nathan Hartman  于2022年9月16日周五 22:56写道：
> >>
> >> On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 9:25 AM Bertil Chapuis 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hello Everyone,
> >>>
> >>> Here is a proposal for Baremaps, a toolkit and a set of infrastructure
> components for creating, publishing, and operating online maps. The
> proposal is published on the wiki [1] and a demonstration of our base map
> is available online [2].
> >>>
> >>> The key challenge for Baremaps will be to create a sustainable
> community. We appreciate anyone who would be willing to support us with bug
> reports, code, mentoring or feedback.
> >>>
> >>> [1] -
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/Baremaps+Proposal
> >>> [2] - https://demo.baremaps.com/
> >>>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>>
> >>> Bertil Chapuis
> >>
> >>
> >> This is very cool!
> >>
> >> Thank you for your very candid proposal, and demonstration site. Your
> >> assessment of licensing concerns in particular and interest in joining
> >> the ASF specifically because of the high bar for bringing in 3rd party
> >> code is, I think, a good fit here.
> >>
> >> Although I am inundated with other work at the moment and will
> >> probably not be able to contribute to this project, I do think that a
> >> move to ASF should benefit Baremaps and the ASF in the long run, and I
> >> would like to offer my words of encouragement.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Nathan
> >>
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Re: [Discuss] Baremaps Proposal

[Bertil Chapuis]

Hello Calvin,

> On 20 Sep 2022, at 05:44, Calvin Kirs  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
>  It seems like an interesting project, if you need mentor, you can count me 
> in.

With pleasure, I added you to the list of mentors.

> I have  one question:  I quick check to see [1],
> 
> It seems that you are the only one of the initial committers who has a
> commit in 2022.

Yes, this year, a colleague and I spent a lot of time on the basemap [1]. As we 
progressed toward creating a full-featured map style, we encountered 
limitations with the JSON configuration files and experimented with other 
approaches (YAML, etc.). Eventually, we moved to javascript, which allows us to 
split the configuration into several files and to manage complex styling 
directives more easily (comments, variables, functions, etc.). The basemap has 
now been merged into the main repository with a single commit [2]. My goal is 
now to stabilise this feature and to focus more on building the community.

[1] https://github.com/baremaps/openstreetmap-vecto
[2] 
https://github.com/baremaps/baremaps/commit/17be0caba7378943adea984d6aebfbb94e71aabd

> The top four contributors in [1]  Their total LOC looks good. If you
> think they have a good understanding of the project, I suggest adding
> them as well.

This is a good idea. I will contact them and check if they are interested in 
joining the project as commiters.

Best regards,

Bertil

> [1]https://github.com/baremaps/baremaps/graphs/contributors?from=2022-01-02&to=2022-09-20&type=c
> 
> Nathan Hartman  于2022年9月16日周五 22:56写道：
>> 
>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 9:25 AM Bertil Chapuis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> Here is a proposal for Baremaps, a toolkit and a set of infrastructure 
>>> components for creating, publishing, and operating online maps. The 
>>> proposal is published on the wiki [1] and a demonstration of our base map 
>>> is available online [2].
>>> 
>>> The key challenge for Baremaps will be to create a sustainable community. 
>>> We appreciate anyone who would be willing to support us with bug reports, 
>>> code, mentoring or feedback.
>>> 
>>> [1] - 
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/Baremaps+Proposal
>>> [2] - https://demo.baremaps.com/
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> Bertil Chapuis
>> 
>> 
>> This is very cool!
>> 
>> Thank you for your very candid proposal, and demonstration site. Your
>> assessment of licensing concerns in particular and interest in joining
>> the ASF specifically because of the high bar for bringing in 3rd party
>> code is, I think, a good fit here.
>> 
>> Although I am inundated with other work at the moment and will
>> probably not be able to contribute to this project, I do think that a
>> move to ASF should benefit Baremaps and the ASF in the long run, and I
>> would like to offer my words of encouragement.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Nathan
>> 
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Re: [Discuss] Baremaps Proposal

[Calvin Kirs]

Hi,

  It seems like an interesting project, if you need mentor, you can count me in.

I have  one question:  I quick check to see [1],

It seems that you are the only one of the initial committers who has a
commit in 2022.

The top four contributors in [1]  Their total LOC looks good. If you
think they have a good understanding of the project, I suggest adding
them as well.

[1]https://github.com/baremaps/baremaps/graphs/contributors?from=2022-01-02&to=2022-09-20&type=c

Nathan Hartman  于2022年9月16日周五 22:56写道：
>
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 9:25 AM Bertil Chapuis  wrote:
> >
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> > Here is a proposal for Baremaps, a toolkit and a set of infrastructure 
> > components for creating, publishing, and operating online maps. The 
> > proposal is published on the wiki [1] and a demonstration of our base map 
> > is available online [2].
> >
> > The key challenge for Baremaps will be to create a sustainable community. 
> > We appreciate anyone who would be willing to support us with bug reports, 
> > code, mentoring or feedback.
> >
> > [1] - 
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/Baremaps+Proposal
> > [2] - https://demo.baremaps.com/
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Bertil Chapuis
>
>
> This is very cool!
>
> Thank you for your very candid proposal, and demonstration site. Your
> assessment of licensing concerns in particular and interest in joining
> the ASF specifically because of the high bar for bringing in 3rd party
> code is, I think, a good fit here.
>
> Although I am inundated with other work at the moment and will
> probably not be able to contribute to this project, I do think that a
> move to ASF should benefit Baremaps and the ASF in the long run, and I
> would like to offer my words of encouragement.
>
> Cheers,
> Nathan
>
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Re: [Discuss] Baremaps Proposal

[Nathan Hartman]

On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 9:25 AM Bertil Chapuis  wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> Here is a proposal for Baremaps, a toolkit and a set of infrastructure 
> components for creating, publishing, and operating online maps. The proposal 
> is published on the wiki [1] and a demonstration of our base map is available 
> online [2].
>
> The key challenge for Baremaps will be to create a sustainable community. We 
> appreciate anyone who would be willing to support us with bug reports, code, 
> mentoring or feedback.
>
> [1] - https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/Baremaps+Proposal
> [2] - https://demo.baremaps.com/
>
> Best regards,
>
> Bertil Chapuis


This is very cool!

Thank you for your very candid proposal, and demonstration site. Your
assessment of licensing concerns in particular and interest in joining
the ASF specifically because of the high bar for bringing in 3rd party
code is, I think, a good fit here.

Although I am inundated with other work at the moment and will
probably not be able to contribute to this project, I do think that a
move to ASF should benefit Baremaps and the ASF in the long run, and I
would like to offer my words of encouragement.

Cheers,
Nathan

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[Discuss] Baremaps Proposal

[Bertil Chapuis]

Hello Everyone,

Here is a proposal for Baremaps, a toolkit and a set of infrastructure 
components for creating, publishing, and operating online maps. The proposal is 
published on the wiki [1] and a demonstration of our base map is available 
online [2].

The key challenge for Baremaps will be to create a sustainable community. We 
appreciate anyone who would be willing to support us with bug reports, code, 
mentoring or feedback.

[1] - https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/Baremaps+Proposal
[2] - https://demo.baremaps.com/

Best regards,

Bertil Chapuis



Baremaps Proposal

= Abstract =
Apache Baremaps is a toolkit and a set of infrastructure components for 
creating, publishing, and operating online maps.

= Proposal =
Apache Baremaps is a toolkit and a set of infrastructure components for 
creating, publishing, and operating online maps. It provides a data pipeline 
enabling developers to build maps with different data sources. It offers live 
reload capabilities that allow cartographers to customize the content and the 
style of a map. It includes an attribution-free map schema and style that 
stimulates derived work. Finally, it provides services commonly used in online 
maps, such as location search and IP to location.

== Background ==
The infrastructure components required to publish and operate large-scale 
online maps are often closed-source, heterogeneous, complex, and expensive. For 
instance: the visualization of maps in Web browsers or on mobile devices 
requires processing and tiling large spatial datasets, such as OpenStreetMap; 
the location of users based on their IP addresses requires aggregating and 
merging data from network information centers; the ability to search in a map 
requires indexing features based on text and spatial attributes in different 
languages.

== Rationale ==
Web mapping infrastructure is often managed by large teams of developers (e.g., 
Google Maps, Apple Maps, Mapbox, etc.), which makes it hard to customize and 
evolve. Apache Baremaps is a Web mapping infrastructure for the rest of us: it 
enables individuals and small teams of developers to regain control over 
spatial data and to develop custom mapping experiences. As a result, Apache 
Baremaps facilitates innovation in niche areas where resources are limited and 
customization is needed (e.g., sustainable mobility, civil engineering, urban 
planning, environment monitoring, startups, etc.).

== Initial Goals ==
The primary goals are:
- to release a customizable attribution-free map schema and style;
- to publish a tiled world map in different formats (mvt, png, 3D Tiles Next, 
etc.);
- to grow the community and attract new contributors;
- to release additional services and components (IP to location, location 
search, etc.).

== Current Status ==

=== Meritocracy ===
Baremaps is a project initially developed by Bertil Chapuis. It has already 
attracted outside contributors. Therefore, the process of electing new 
committers and project management committee members should be natural.

=== Community ===
The need for Web mapping infrastructure is great, hence a good potential for a 
diverse community mixing developers and cartographers.

=== Core Developers ===
The contributors to Baremaps include developers from academia and industry, 
mainly located in Europe. The contributions include documentation, bug fixes, 
and new features. Most of the development and communication currently takes 
place on GitHub.

=== Alignment ===
Many critical components used in the geospatial community are released under 
LGPL (e.g., Geotools, Geotoolkit). We are strongly aligned with the terms of 
the Apache license. Joining the geospatial community at Apache will enable us 
to be less reliant on components with contaminating licenses. For instance, 
Apache SIS seeks to become an alternative to Geotools and Geotoolkit.

== Known Risks ==

=== Project Name ===
No trademark is associated with the Baremaps name, and the project is already 
well referenced by search engines. The .com, .org, and .net domains are the 
property of Bertil Chapuis, who agrees to transfer them to the Apache Software 
Foundation unconditionally upon request.

=== Orphaned Products ===
There is a risk of being orphaned due to the small number of committers. Even 
if the main contributor has no plan to leave the project, this is a problem we 
need to address in the future.

=== Inexperience with open source ===
The initial committers contributed to open source projects in the past but have 
only a few experiences with the governance of open source projects in a 
Foundation such as Apache.

=== Length of incubation ===
We expect to achieve most of the initial goals within one year. However, some 
other goals (e.g., growing a community sufficiently diverse and healthy to 
leave the incubator) are harder to estimate and may span over a more extended 
time.

=== Homogenous Developers ===
Most current developers work for the same instituti