Re: [VOTE] Release Droids 0.1-incubating RC2
On 16 June 2011 17:29, Richard Frovarp rfrov...@apache.org wrote: On 06/15/2011 08:47 PM, sebb wrote: On 12 June 2011 04:43, Richard Frovarprfrov...@apache.org wrote: Please vote on the release cndidate for Apache Droids Incubating, version 0.1-incubating. I've received one binding IPMC +1 votes and 2 non-binding +1 votes. PPMC release vote thread: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-droids-dev/201106.mbox/%3c4de7d6cc.8080...@apache.org%3E Source files: http://people.apache.org/~rfrovarp/droids/ Maven staging repo: https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachedroids-011/ SVN source tag (r1127762): https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/droids/tags/0.1-incubating/ PGP release keys (signed using 3698A2B1): https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/droids/KEYS [ ] +1 [ ] +0 [ ] -1 There must be a disclaimer saying that the project is undergoing Incubation. This is normally in a DISCLAIMER file, which should be in SVN, source and binary archives. Added. The website should also carry a prominent disclaimer, nromally at the start of the index page. Will have someone work on that. The NOTICE file must only contain required notices, and only for items that are actually included in the release, not run-time dependencies that are downloaded by Maven. E.g. is JUnit included in the release? If not, remove the reference. Do not add any extraneous text to the Notice file - e.g explanations and headings - it should be as short as possible (but no shorter). Done. The project name should be shown as Apache Droids in the Notice file(s). Fixed as well. I think the above all need to be fixed before release. The source archive contents agree with SVN (apart from extra files generated by Maven). Sigs and hashes are OK; key is in public PGP repo. Contents of jar files look good; there are NL files in the META-INF dir. The source and javadoc jar manifests could include the Specification entries. I don't know that I completely understand this. I'm not too familiar with the manifest files, and adding specification into a search returns back the specs on the file format. I meant the Specification entries which are already in the binary jar manifests, for example: Specification-Title: Apache Droids Core Specification-Vendor: The Apache Software Foundation Specification-Version: 0.1-incubating These would also be useful in the source and javadoc jar manifests. [The Implementation entries really only apply to binary jars.] It would be useful to include the Java source and target versions in the binary jar manifests. Will do. The SVN properties don't appear to have been set on many of the source files, which suggests that some committers have not set up their SVN defaults correctly. (I'll raise a JIRA for correcting the properties) Applied / fixed. Thanks. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
[CANCELED] Re: [VOTE] Release Droids 0.1-incubating RC2
On 06/11/2011 10:43 PM, Richard Frovarp wrote: Please vote on the release cndidate for Apache Droids Incubating, version 0.1-incubating. I've received one binding IPMC +1 votes and 2 non-binding +1 votes. PPMC release vote thread: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-droids-dev/201106.mbox/%3c4de7d6cc.8080...@apache.org%3E Source files: http://people.apache.org/~rfrovarp/droids/ Maven staging repo: https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachedroids-011/ SVN source tag (r1127762): https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/droids/tags/0.1-incubating/ PGP release keys (signed using 3698A2B1): https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/droids/KEYS [ ] +1 [ ] +0 [ ] -1 Thanks, Richard This vote has been canceled due to identification of blocking issues. They will be fixed and a new build will be made shortly. Thanks to those that helped. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Release Droids 0.1-incubating RC2
On 06/15/2011 04:39 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 09:35:05PM -0500, Richard Frovarp wrote: There should be archived VOTE threads on the droids-private list, which were cc'd to private@incubator.a.o. Hopefully they were for PPMC membership. If not, there will be some cleanup work to do. The votes were handled on the droids-dev list (like they should) and were committer votes. So Bertil and I aren't on the PPMC. OK... In my opinion, the intent of the community to make this release is perfectly clear. None of the people who are officially on the PPMC objected to it, nor did anyone raise any concerns about the validity of votes from Committers who aren't on the PPMC. In general, votes can come from anyone, so votes from people that aren't on the PMC shouldn't be discouraged. In a previous vote, Ross did tell me if I needed more binding votes, to come here. However, it looks as though Droids isn't *bundling* either JUnit or javax.servlet, in either in source or binary form -- you're expecting Maven to resolve and install the dependency. Therefore, I don't believe it's required to include the license texts which apply to those components. I'm not even sure whether you even need attributions in NOTICE.txt for components you aren't bundling. As best I can tell, the Droids distro archive does not contain either source or binary materials belonging to or derived from either JUnit or javax.servlet IP. In summary, unless someone corrects my interpretation, LICENSE.txt is fine and NOTICE.txt has some info which is arguably superfluous, but the presence of that extra info does not block the release. I consider the matter provisionally resolved. Sebb seems to agree with your interpretation. I have fixed the files to remove any notices to anything, except for the standard ASF notice. License only include AL2. I was unclear on this, as you can't have runtime required dependencies on category X items. A project can't require Hibernate (LGPL) and claim that it is okay because Apache Maven is bringing in the dependency. It was not clear to me how category-B should be handled. Consensus is to say nothing if it isn't being bundled, so everything has been removed. OK. In my rush, I hadn't noticed that the Maven-generated NOTICE file was just a stub rather than a substantially different version of NOTICE.txt. It's still inaccurate because it's incomplete, though: Droids Copyright 2007-2011 The Apache Software Foundation This product includes software developed at The Apache Software Foundation (http://www.apache.org/). I've renamed NOTICE.txt to NOTICE and have updated all the references in the poms to Apache Droids, instead of just Droids. This should insure that future packages have the correct information. Yep. I double checked and RAT only flags that silly DEPENDENCIES file. License headers look good! Excellent. Thanks. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Release Droids 0.1-incubating RC2
On 06/15/2011 08:47 PM, sebb wrote: On 12 June 2011 04:43, Richard Frovarprfrov...@apache.org wrote: Please vote on the release cndidate for Apache Droids Incubating, version 0.1-incubating. I've received one binding IPMC +1 votes and 2 non-binding +1 votes. PPMC release vote thread: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-droids-dev/201106.mbox/%3c4de7d6cc.8080...@apache.org%3E Source files: http://people.apache.org/~rfrovarp/droids/ Maven staging repo: https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachedroids-011/ SVN source tag (r1127762): https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/droids/tags/0.1-incubating/ PGP release keys (signed using 3698A2B1): https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/droids/KEYS [ ] +1 [ ] +0 [ ] -1 There must be a disclaimer saying that the project is undergoing Incubation. This is normally in a DISCLAIMER file, which should be in SVN, source and binary archives. Added. The website should also carry a prominent disclaimer, nromally at the start of the index page. Will have someone work on that. The NOTICE file must only contain required notices, and only for items that are actually included in the release, not run-time dependencies that are downloaded by Maven. E.g. is JUnit included in the release? If not, remove the reference. Do not add any extraneous text to the Notice file - e.g explanations and headings - it should be as short as possible (but no shorter). Done. The project name should be shown as Apache Droids in the Notice file(s). Fixed as well. I think the above all need to be fixed before release. The source archive contents agree with SVN (apart from extra files generated by Maven). Sigs and hashes are OK; key is in public PGP repo. Contents of jar files look good; there are NL files in the META-INF dir. The source and javadoc jar manifests could include the Specification entries. I don't know that I completely understand this. I'm not too familiar with the manifest files, and adding specification into a search returns back the specs on the file format. It would be useful to include the Java source and target versions in the binary jar manifests. Will do. The SVN properties don't appear to have been set on many of the source files, which suggests that some committers have not set up their SVN defaults correctly. (I'll raise a JIRA for correcting the properties) Applied / fixed. Thanks. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Release Droids 0.1-incubating RC2
On 6/14/2011 8:14 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: O There should be archived VOTE threads on the droids-private list, which were cc'd to private@incubator.a.o. Hopefully they were for PPMC membership. If not, there will be some cleanup work to do. The votes were handled on the droids-dev list (like they should) and were committer votes. So Bertil and I aren't on the PPMC. Excellent. Was your work documented anywhere? Ideally, there would be a JIRA issue I can read over explaining why each dependency with a non-category-A license is OK. http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html No, there is no JIRA ticket. There are no category-X defined dependencies. The notice file includes notices for all the category B defined dependencies: JUnit and javax.servlet. Those are fairly common in Apache projects and the requirements were met. See below. Attached is the dependency hierarchy. All of the Apache projects are full projects, so they are all good. That leaves: NekoHTML - AL2 SLF4J - MIT mockito - MIT Google Guava - AL2 Spring - AL2 JUnit - CPL v1 - Category B, binary only, appropriately labeled in the NOTICE.txt file javax.servlet - Included in the Jetty notice, which states it is CDDLv1 and copyright Sun Microsystems and ASF. Notice text copied from Solr Jetty 6 - AL2, but requires notice (in place) CGLib - AL2 Further help and guidance of course is always welcome. You are gracious. I'll defer to others on guidance; I see my role as more that of a QC engineer. And to start off my QC, I'll note that there are some oddities in the top level directory of the archive. Here's the file list: DEPENDENCIES LICENSE LICENSE.txt NOTICE NOTICE.txt README.TXT droids-core droids-norobots droids-solr droids-spring droids-tika droids-wicket pom.xml The LICENSE and LICENSE.txt files are essentially duplicates of each other, having only whitespace differences. However, the NOTICE and NOTICE.txt files are quite distinct (diff below my sig). I think this is a blocker. That's Maven. LICENSE.txt and NOTICE.txt are the two in svn. We may need to rename them to be without the .txt so Maven doesn't do its own thing there. While without txt is preferred, it is allowable to use the .txt file names. I'm not sure what the DEPENDENCIES file is supposed to tell us, but it contains minimal information. Presumably it's some Maven thing I just don't grok. That was Maven generated and I don't understand it either. I used the defined method of releasing via Apache Maven, including using the latest parent pom. Lastly, I think it's worth commenting on the contents of README.TXT, which starts off like so: A p a c h eD r o i d s -- by Thorsten Scherlerthorsten at apache.org That credit is obviously inaccurate and seems quite unusual for an Apache project. I know that other projects have gone out of their way to delete all @author tags. Perhaps Droids might consider doing likewise. Yes, that file needs to be cleaned up. I do see there are two source files with @author in them. I've fixed them in trunk. I don't think either of these two things are a blocker. I also intend to run a RAT report, and to pore over LICENSE and NOTICE more thoroughly, but I'm out of time for today and wanted to get you this feedback sooner rather than later. Thanks for the feedback. I poured over the LICENSE.txt and NOTICE.txt files quite carefully. The RAT report was ran until it came back clean twice. Those should be good. org.apache.droids:droids-core:jar:0.1 +- org.apache.droids:droids-norobots:jar:0.1:compile +- commons-logging:commons-logging:jar:1.1.1:compile +- org.apache.httpcomponents:httpclient:jar:4.0.1:compile | +- org.apache.httpcomponents:httpcore:jar:4.0.1:compile | \- commons-codec:commons-codec:jar:1.3:compile +- net.sourceforge.nekohtml:nekohtml:jar:1.9.14:compile | \- xerces:xercesImpl:jar:2.9.1:compile +- com.google.guava:guava:jar:r07:compile +- org.slf4j:slf4j-api:jar:1.6.1:compile +- junit:junit:jar:4.5:test +- org.mockito:mockito-all:jar:1.8.5:test \- org.slf4j:slf4j-simple:jar:1.6.1:test org.apache.droids:droids-spring:jar:0.1 +- org.apache.droids:droids-core:jar:0.1:compile | +- org.apache.droids:droids-norobots:jar:0.1:compile | +- org.apache.httpcomponents:httpclient:jar:4.0.1:compile | | +- org.apache.httpcomponents:httpcore:jar:4.0.1:compile | | \- commons-codec:commons-codec:jar:1.3:compile | +- net.sourceforge.nekohtml:nekohtml:jar:1.9.14:compile | | \- xerces:xercesImpl:jar:2.9.1:compile | +- com.google.guava:guava:jar:r07:compile | \- org.slf4j:slf4j-api:jar:1.6.1:compile +- commons-logging:commons-logging:jar:1.1.1:compile +- org.apache.cocoon:cocoon-spring-configurator:jar:2.0.0:compile | +- org.apache.cocoon:cocoon-configuration-api:jar:1.0.2:compile | +-
Re: [VOTE] Release Droids 0.1-incubating RC2
On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 18:14 -0700, Marvin Humphrey wrote: On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 01:39:20PM -0500, Richard Frovarp wrote: Looks like this is the inaugural ASF release for Droids, right? Thank you for looking at this. Yes, it will be. w00t! Yes, the page needs to be updated. Ross has provided us with a link to the page on how to update that information. I personally haven't had time to do it. I think I'm on the PPMC, but for the Incubator, I'm not quite sure the distinction between a PPMC member and a committer. The roles are just as distinct as they are between a Committer and a PMC member for a top-level project, and there are separate voting procedures. Some projects add both roles at once: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html#Voting+in+a+new+committer http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html#Voting+in+a+new+PPMC+member For projects which wish to have all committers also be PPMC members, the Voting in a new PPMC member guide below should then be followed, noting that if desired it is possible to run a joint committership and PPMC vote, providing that the guidance for both is followed. There should be archived VOTE threads on the droids-private list, which were cc'd to private@incubator.a.o. Hopefully they were for PPMC membership. If not, there will be some cleanup work to do. ... Thorsten is not on the IPMC right now, though as an ASF Member he can simply request to join. Once that happens, you'll have 1 IPMC vote. But he is. Several months ago the board acked his request, but it would appear that the IPCM membership roster hasn't been updated. OK, great! That's resolved. Ross participated in a previous vote that didn't pass as we found things we need to clean up. It would seem he didn't have the time to participate this time. OK, that's reassuring. :) (Looks like OOo is already starting to impact our volunteer resources.) FYI, at this point I still plan to gate my vote on a +1 vote from a Droids Mentor. IMO, it would be less than ideal to have an inaugural release approved by one interested party (Thorsten) augmented by freelancers, even if one or more Mentors has expressed some measure of support in the past. Actually I stepped up as mentor when Grant resigned. Message-id: ce9e361e-737d-47e5-bf7a-bbcbffea3...@apache.org References: f7bb5fb8-eb7f-4203-91d7-c7ea1cdb7...@apache.org 08051FA22EC442FA9D0A116651FBEE63@developer 510143ac0910190738s17179ba3k46170bffdc01b...@mail.gmail.com I need to search in my send mail folder but I actually wrote an request to the private incubator list to add me as mentor. ... Lastly, I think it's worth commenting on the contents of README.TXT, which starts off like so: A p a c h eD r o i d s -- by Thorsten Scherler thorsten at apache.org That credit is obviously inaccurate and seems quite unusual for an Apache project. I know that other projects have gone out of their way to delete all @author tags. Perhaps Droids might consider doing likewise. If you read this file to the end you will find: Please report feedback to the labs mailing list. Meaning this file have not changed since it was first created in Apache Labs. That is the only reason for this unusual credit. It started as personal research project and we have not reviewed this file ever since. Thanks for pointing this out, I will fix it right away. salu2 -- Thorsten Scherler thorsten.at.apache.org codeBusters S.L. - web based systems consulting, training and solutions http://www.codebusters.es/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: [VOTE] Release Droids 0.1-incubating RC2
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 11:19:41AM +0200, Thorsten Scherler wrote: (Looks like OOo is already starting to impact our volunteer resources.) FYI, at this point I still plan to gate my vote on a +1 vote from a Droids Mentor. IMO, it would be less than ideal to have an inaugural release approved by one interested party (Thorsten) augmented by freelancers, even if one or more Mentors has expressed some measure of support in the past. Actually I stepped up as mentor when Grant resigned. My primary concern is IP clearance for an inaugural ASF release. As a freelancer, I can perform a superficial examination of the existing artifacts, but I was not there while the IP that makes them up was being imported or committed. However, if the IPMC has seen fit to appoint you as a Mentor, I will defer to the collective judgment and assume that sufficient care has been exercised. Message-id: ce9e361e-737d-47e5-bf7a-bbcbffea3...@apache.org References: f7bb5fb8-eb7f-4203-91d7-c7ea1cdb7...@apache.org 08051FA22EC442FA9D0A116651FBEE63@developer 510143ac0910190738s17179ba3k46170bffdc01b...@mail.gmail.com I need to search in my send mail folder but I actually wrote an request to the private incubator list to add me as mentor. Googling these message id's only turns up this post; since I'm not an ASF Member, I don't have access to the ap-mail archives on people.apache.org; sending mail to the private-get.1-2000@incubator.a.o failed; searching droids-dev and general@incubator.a.o via MarkMail did not turn up any indication of where the Mentorship appointment took place. Can somebody please help out with confirmation that Thorsten's request to become a Mentor for Droids went through? Lastly, I think it's worth commenting on the contents of README.TXT, which starts off like so: A p a c h eD r o i d s -- by Thorsten Scherler thorsten at apache.org That credit is obviously inaccurate and seems quite unusual for an Apache project. I know that other projects have gone out of their way to delete all @author tags. Perhaps Droids might consider doing likewise. If you read this file to the end you will find: Please report feedback to the labs mailing list. Meaning this file have not changed since it was first created in Apache Labs. That is the only reason for this unusual credit. It started as personal research project and we have not reviewed this file ever since. Thanks for pointing this out, I will fix it right away. Fab, that's great. :) Marvin Humphrey - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Release Droids 0.1-incubating RC2
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 09:35:05PM -0500, Richard Frovarp wrote: There should be archived VOTE threads on the droids-private list, which were cc'd to private@incubator.a.o. Hopefully they were for PPMC membership. If not, there will be some cleanup work to do. The votes were handled on the droids-dev list (like they should) and were committer votes. So Bertil and I aren't on the PPMC. OK... In my opinion, the intent of the community to make this release is perfectly clear. None of the people who are officially on the PPMC objected to it, nor did anyone raise any concerns about the validity of votes from Committers who aren't on the PPMC. Furthermore, the three +1 votes come from the three top podling committers by commit volume: http://svnsearch.org/svnsearch/repos/ASF/search?path=%2Fincubator%2Fdroids The community is small and some people are MIA, but it seems like those who are active are exhibiting exactly what the Incubator wants to see: responsible self-governance by stakeholders. The fact that two votes come from people who were elected as Committers but not PPMC members is a technical oversight. The Incubation Policy page sets out clear rules for how a release happens, and I don't see a way to overlook or overrule the SHALL and SHALL NOT portions of the text without a formal IPMC vote: http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Releases ... Podlings in Incubation SHALL NOT perform any releases of software without the explicit approval of the Incubator PMC. Such approval SHALL be given only after the Incubator PMC has followed the process detailed in these guidelines, and SHALL NOT occur until all source has been legally transferred to the ASF. Therefore, should a Podling decide it wishes to perform a release, the Podling SHALL hold a vote on the Podling's public -dev list. At least three +1 votes are required (see the Apache Voting Process page). If the majority of all votes is positive, then the Podling SHALL send a summary of that vote to the Incubator's general list and formally request the Incubator PMC approve such a release. Three +1 Incubator PMC votes are required. Below is an example showing how an incubating project managed this process: The by-the-book remedy is for the existing Droids PPMC members to vote in the people who are obviously driving this project forward, and for a new release vote to be taken. I'm pained by the delays that will introduce, and if there's anything I can do to expedite the process I'd like to help, but as a newcomer to the IPMC I don't see it as being my place to suggest alternative approaches. No, there is no JIRA ticket. OK, no problem -- this thread will suffice. There are no category-X defined dependencies. Check! The notice file includes notices for all the category B defined dependencies: JUnit and javax.servlet. Those are fairly common in Apache projects and the requirements were met. See below. Attached is the dependency hierarchy. All of the Apache projects are full projects, so they are all good. That leaves: NekoHTML - AL2 SLF4J - MIT mockito - MIT Google Guava - AL2 Spring - AL2 JUnit - CPL v1 - Category B, binary only, appropriately labeled in the NOTICE.txt file javax.servlet - Included in the Jetty notice, which states it is CDDLv1 and copyright Sun Microsystems and ASF. Notice text copied from Solr Jetty 6 - AL2, but requires notice (in place) CGLib - AL2 OK, excellent -- no fundamental problems, so it's just a matter of dotting our i's and crossing our t's. I see that the Droids LICENSE.txt only contains the ALv2, yet Droids has dependencies on non-ALv2 libraries. http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html#distributing-code-under-several-licenses However, it looks as though Droids isn't *bundling* either JUnit or javax.servlet, in either in source or binary form -- you're expecting Maven to resolve and install the dependency. Therefore, I don't believe it's required to include the license texts which apply to those components. I'm not even sure whether you even need attributions in NOTICE.txt for components you aren't bundling. As best I can tell, the Droids distro archive does not contain either source or binary materials belonging to or derived from either JUnit or javax.servlet IP. In summary, unless someone corrects my interpretation, LICENSE.txt is fine and NOTICE.txt has some info which is arguably superfluous, but the presence of that extra info does not block the release. I consider the matter provisionally resolved. (If Droids ever *starts* bundling JUnit or javax.servlet, I'm pretty sure you'll need *both* the notice and the license texts.) That's Maven. LICENSE.txt and NOTICE.txt are the two in svn. We may need to rename them to be without the .txt so Maven doesn't do its own thing there. While without txt is preferred, it is allowable to use the .txt file names. OK.
Re: [VOTE] Release Droids 0.1-incubating RC2
On 12 June 2011 04:43, Richard Frovarp rfrov...@apache.org wrote: Please vote on the release cndidate for Apache Droids Incubating, version 0.1-incubating. I've received one binding IPMC +1 votes and 2 non-binding +1 votes. PPMC release vote thread: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-droids-dev/201106.mbox/%3c4de7d6cc.8080...@apache.org%3E Source files: http://people.apache.org/~rfrovarp/droids/ Maven staging repo: https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachedroids-011/ SVN source tag (r1127762): https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/droids/tags/0.1-incubating/ PGP release keys (signed using 3698A2B1): https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/droids/KEYS [ ] +1 [ ] +0 [ ] -1 There must be a disclaimer saying that the project is undergoing Incubation. This is normally in a DISCLAIMER file, which should be in SVN, source and binary archives. The website should also carry a prominent disclaimer, nromally at the start of the index page. The NOTICE file must only contain required notices, and only for items that are actually included in the release, not run-time dependencies that are downloaded by Maven. E.g. is JUnit included in the release? If not, remove the reference. Do not add any extraneous text to the Notice file - e.g explanations and headings - it should be as short as possible (but no shorter). The project name should be shown as Apache Droids in the Notice file(s). I think the above all need to be fixed before release. The source archive contents agree with SVN (apart from extra files generated by Maven). Sigs and hashes are OK; key is in public PGP repo. Contents of jar files look good; there are NL files in the META-INF dir. The source and javadoc jar manifests could include the Specification entries. It would be useful to include the Java source and target versions in the binary jar manifests. The SVN properties don't appear to have been set on many of the source files, which suggests that some committers have not set up their SVN defaults correctly. (I'll raise a JIRA for correcting the properties) Thanks, Richard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Release Droids 0.1-incubating RC2
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 10:43:21PM -0500, Richard Frovarp wrote: Please vote on the release cndidate for Apache Droids Incubating, version 0.1-incubating. I've received one binding IPMC +1 votes and 2 non-binding +1 votes. PPMC release vote thread: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-droids-dev/201106.mbox/%3c4de7d6cc.8080...@apache.org%3E Hi, Looks like this is the inaugural ASF release for Droids, right? First, congratulations on getting this far! It can take a long time and a lot of effort to get to the point where a podling's contributors feel comfortable proposing an ASF release. That said, I have some questions about the PPMC vote thread. Droids has the following roster, according to the status page: Mentors Ross Gardler Paul Fremantle Grant Ingersoll Committers Thorsten Scherler Ryan McKinley Grant Ingersoll Oleg Kalnichevski This is the tally for the PPMC vote: +1 Torsten Scherler +1 Richard Frovarp +1 Bertil Chapuis The Droids status page has apparently not been kept up to date, since there are numerous authors listed at... http://svnsearch.org/svnsearch/repos/ASF/search?path=%2Fincubator%2Fdroids ... and both Richard Frovarp and Bertil Chapuis seem to have commit rights. Can you please confirm that the three +1 votes all belong to people who are official members of the Droids PPMC? Then there's the IMPC vote, which looks like it comes from Thorsten Scherler. According to this... http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#incubator-pmc ... Thorsten is not on the IPMC right now, though as an ASF Member he can simply request to join. Once that happens, you'll have 1 IPMC vote. However, none of the Droids Mentors appear to have participated in the vote. I know one of them is camping and one took a new job recently, but still, it's troubling. In principle, I'd like to freelance and contribute some oversight towards your release by performing a surface review and voting. I can check license headers, sigs and sums, etc, and help with an audit of LICENSE and NOTICE, especially if we can work together to produce an authoritative list of the project's dependencies. Unfortunately, my Java expertise is almost all theoretical, so code review will be limited to fumbling around until I figure out how to run the test suite and verify that it passes. However, I won't personally feel comfortable contributing a +1 without at least one of your Mentors signing off, particularly for a first release which endorses the IP clearance process. I've only been on the IPMC a few weeks. Can any of our more experienced hands offer recommendations about the best way to proceed? Marvin Humphrey - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Release Droids 0.1-incubating RC2
On 06/14/2011 12:31 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 10:43:21PM -0500, Richard Frovarp wrote: Please vote on the release cndidate for Apache Droids Incubating, version 0.1-incubating. I've received one binding IPMC +1 votes and 2 non-binding +1 votes. PPMC release vote thread: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-droids-dev/201106.mbox/%3c4de7d6cc.8080...@apache.org%3E Hi, Looks like this is the inaugural ASF release for Droids, right? Thank you for looking at this. Yes, it will be. First, congratulations on getting this far! It can take a long time and a lot of effort to get to the point where a podling's contributors feel comfortable proposing an ASF release. That said, I have some questions about the PPMC vote thread. Droids has the following roster, according to the status page: Mentors Ross Gardler Paul Fremantle Grant Ingersoll Committers Thorsten Scherler Ryan McKinley Grant Ingersoll Oleg Kalnichevski This is the tally for the PPMC vote: +1 Torsten Scherler +1 Richard Frovarp +1 Bertil Chapuis The Droids status page has apparently not been kept up to date, since there are numerous authors listed at... http://svnsearch.org/svnsearch/repos/ASF/search?path=%2Fincubator%2Fdroids ... and both Richard Frovarp and Bertil Chapuis seem to have commit rights. Can you please confirm that the three +1 votes all belong to people who are official members of the Droids PPMC? Yes, the page needs to be updated. Ross has provided us with a link to the page on how to update that information. I personally haven't had time to do it. I think I'm on the PPMC, but for the Incubator, I'm not quite sure the distinction between a PPMC member and a committer. Then there's the IMPC vote, which looks like it comes from Thorsten Scherler. According to this... http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#incubator-pmc ... Thorsten is not on the IPMC right now, though as an ASF Member he can simply request to join. Once that happens, you'll have 1 IPMC vote. But he is. Several months ago the board acked his request, but it would appear that the IPCM membership roster hasn't been updated. However, none of the Droids Mentors appear to have participated in the vote. I know one of them is camping and one took a new job recently, but still, it's troubling. Ross participated in a previous vote that didn't pass as we found things we need to clean up. It would seem he didn't have the time to participate this time. In principle, I'd like to freelance and contribute some oversight towards your release by performing a surface review and voting. I can check license headers, sigs and sums, etc, and help with an audit of LICENSE and NOTICE, especially if we can work together to produce an authoritative list of the project's dependencies. Unfortunately, my Java expertise is almost all theoretical, so code review will be limited to fumbling around until I figure out how to run the test suite and verify that it passes. I can put together a list. Maven should give it to me easily and I can post. I've gone through it quite carefully and everything I can see indicates that we are good. I've been doing some of this as PMC Chair for Apache Lenya, so I do have some experience with it. Further help and guidance of course is always welcome. However, I won't personally feel comfortable contributing a +1 without at least one of your Mentors signing off, particularly for a first release which endorses the IP clearance process. Fair enough. I've only been on the IPMC a few weeks. Can any of our more experienced hands offer recommendations about the best way to proceed? Thanks once again. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Release Droids 0.1-incubating RC2
On 14 June 2011 19:39, Richard Frovarp rfrov...@apache.org wrote: On 06/14/2011 12:31 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 10:43:21PM -0500, Richard Frovarp wrote: Please vote on the release cndidate for Apache Droids Incubating, version 0.1-incubating. I've received one binding IPMC +1 votes and 2 non-binding +1 votes. PPMC release vote thread: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-droids-dev/201106.mbox/%3c4de7d6cc.8080...@apache.org%3E Hi, Looks like this is the inaugural ASF release for Droids, right? Thank you for looking at this. Yes, it will be. First, congratulations on getting this far! It can take a long time and a lot of effort to get to the point where a podling's contributors feel comfortable proposing an ASF release. That said, I have some questions about the PPMC vote thread. Droids has the following roster, according to the status page: Mentors Ross Gardler Paul Fremantle Grant Ingersoll Committers Thorsten Scherler Ryan McKinley Grant Ingersoll Oleg Kalnichevski This is the tally for the PPMC vote: +1 Torsten Scherler +1 Richard Frovarp +1 Bertil Chapuis The Droids status page has apparently not been kept up to date, since there are numerous authors listed at... http://svnsearch.org/svnsearch/repos/ASF/search?path=%2Fincubator%2Fdroids ... and both Richard Frovarp and Bertil Chapuis seem to have commit rights. Can you please confirm that the three +1 votes all belong to people who are official members of the Droids PPMC? Yes, the page needs to be updated. Ross has provided us with a link to the page on how to update that information. I personally haven't had time to do it. I think I'm on the PPMC, but for the Incubator, I'm not quite sure the distinction between a PPMC member and a committer. Then there's the IMPC vote, which looks like it comes from Thorsten Scherler. According to this... http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#incubator-pmc ... Thorsten is not on the IPMC right now, though as an ASF Member he can simply request to join. Once that happens, you'll have 1 IPMC vote. But he is. Several months ago the board acked his request, but it would appear that the IPCM membership roster hasn't been updated. Indeed. The request was sent to the board on Dec 4th 2010, and it was acked by Bertrand Delecretaz the same day. Committee-info.txt and the LDAP group need to be updated. However, none of the Droids Mentors appear to have participated in the vote. I know one of them is camping and one took a new job recently, but still, it's troubling. Ross participated in a previous vote that didn't pass as we found things we need to clean up. It would seem he didn't have the time to participate this time. In principle, I'd like to freelance and contribute some oversight towards your release by performing a surface review and voting. I can check license headers, sigs and sums, etc, and help with an audit of LICENSE and NOTICE, especially if we can work together to produce an authoritative list of the project's dependencies. Unfortunately, my Java expertise is almost all theoretical, so code review will be limited to fumbling around until I figure out how to run the test suite and verify that it passes. I can put together a list. Maven should give it to me easily and I can post. I've gone through it quite carefully and everything I can see indicates that we are good. I've been doing some of this as PMC Chair for Apache Lenya, so I do have some experience with it. Further help and guidance of course is always welcome. However, I won't personally feel comfortable contributing a +1 without at least one of your Mentors signing off, particularly for a first release which endorses the IP clearance process. Fair enough. I've only been on the IPMC a few weeks. Can any of our more experienced hands offer recommendations about the best way to proceed? Thanks once again. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Release Droids 0.1-incubating RC2
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 01:39:20PM -0500, Richard Frovarp wrote: Looks like this is the inaugural ASF release for Droids, right? Thank you for looking at this. Yes, it will be. w00t! Yes, the page needs to be updated. Ross has provided us with a link to the page on how to update that information. I personally haven't had time to do it. I think I'm on the PPMC, but for the Incubator, I'm not quite sure the distinction between a PPMC member and a committer. The roles are just as distinct as they are between a Committer and a PMC member for a top-level project, and there are separate voting procedures. Some projects add both roles at once: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html#Voting+in+a+new+committer http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html#Voting+in+a+new+PPMC+member For projects which wish to have all committers also be PPMC members, the Voting in a new PPMC member guide below should then be followed, noting that if desired it is possible to run a joint committership and PPMC vote, providing that the guidance for both is followed. There should be archived VOTE threads on the droids-private list, which were cc'd to private@incubator.a.o. Hopefully they were for PPMC membership. If not, there will be some cleanup work to do. ... Thorsten is not on the IPMC right now, though as an ASF Member he can simply request to join. Once that happens, you'll have 1 IPMC vote. But he is. Several months ago the board acked his request, but it would appear that the IPCM membership roster hasn't been updated. OK, great! That's resolved. Ross participated in a previous vote that didn't pass as we found things we need to clean up. It would seem he didn't have the time to participate this time. OK, that's reassuring. :) (Looks like OOo is already starting to impact our volunteer resources.) FYI, at this point I still plan to gate my vote on a +1 vote from a Droids Mentor. IMO, it would be less than ideal to have an inaugural release approved by one interested party (Thorsten) augmented by freelancers, even if one or more Mentors has expressed some measure of support in the past. In principle, I'd like to freelance and contribute some oversight towards your release by performing a surface review and voting. I can check license headers, sigs and sums, etc, and help with an audit of LICENSE and NOTICE, especially if we can work together to produce an authoritative list of the project's dependencies. Unfortunately, my Java expertise is almost all theoretical, so code review will be limited to fumbling around until I figure out how to run the test suite and verify that it passes. I can put together a list. Maven should give it to me easily and I can post. That would be most helpful. I intend to rely on this list as authoritative, as assessing a Java code base for dependencies is outside my area of expertise. I've gone through it quite carefully and everything I can see indicates that we are good. I've been doing some of this as PMC Chair for Apache Lenya, so I do have some experience with it. Excellent. Was your work documented anywhere? Ideally, there would be a JIRA issue I can read over explaining why each dependency with a non-category-A license is OK. http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html Further help and guidance of course is always welcome. You are gracious. I'll defer to others on guidance; I see my role as more that of a QC engineer. And to start off my QC, I'll note that there are some oddities in the top level directory of the archive. Here's the file list: DEPENDENCIES LICENSE LICENSE.txt NOTICE NOTICE.txt README.TXT droids-core droids-norobots droids-solr droids-spring droids-tika droids-wicket pom.xml The LICENSE and LICENSE.txt files are essentially duplicates of each other, having only whitespace differences. However, the NOTICE and NOTICE.txt files are quite distinct (diff below my sig). I think this is a blocker. I'm not sure what the DEPENDENCIES file is supposed to tell us, but it contains minimal information. Presumably it's some Maven thing I just don't grok. Lastly, I think it's worth commenting on the contents of README.TXT, which starts off like so: A p a c h eD r o i d s -- by Thorsten Scherler thorsten at apache.org That credit is obviously inaccurate and seems quite unusual for an Apache project. I know that other projects have gone out of their way to delete all @author tags. Perhaps Droids might consider doing likewise. I also intend to run a RAT report, and to pore over LICENSE and NOTICE more thoroughly, but I'm out of time for today and wanted to get you this feedback sooner rather than later. Best, Marvin Humphrey marvin@smokey:~/Desktop/droids/droids-0.1-incubating $ diff -u NOTICE NOTICE.txt --- NOTICE 2011-05-25
Re: [VOTE] Release Droids 0.1-incubating RC2
+1 (binding) sau2 On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 22:43 -0500, Richard Frovarp wrote: Please vote on the release cndidate for Apache Droids Incubating, version 0.1-incubating. I've received one binding IPMC +1 votes and 2 non-binding +1 votes. PPMC release vote thread: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-droids-dev/201106.mbox/%3c4de7d6cc.8080...@apache.org%3E Source files: http://people.apache.org/~rfrovarp/droids/ Maven staging repo: https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachedroids-011/ SVN source tag (r1127762): https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/droids/tags/0.1-incubating/ PGP release keys (signed using 3698A2B1): https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/droids/KEYS [ ] +1 [ ] +0 [ ] -1 Thanks, Richard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org -- Thorsten Scherler thorsten.at.apache.org codeBusters S.L. - web based systems consulting, training and solutions http://www.codebusters.es/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
[VOTE] Release Droids 0.1-incubating RC2
Please vote on the release cndidate for Apache Droids Incubating, version 0.1-incubating. I've received one binding IPMC +1 votes and 2 non-binding +1 votes. PPMC release vote thread: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-droids-dev/201106.mbox/%3c4de7d6cc.8080...@apache.org%3E Source files: http://people.apache.org/~rfrovarp/droids/ Maven staging repo: https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachedroids-011/ SVN source tag (r1127762): https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/droids/tags/0.1-incubating/ PGP release keys (signed using 3698A2B1): https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/droids/KEYS [ ] +1 [ ] +0 [ ] -1 Thanks, Richard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
