Re: Questions about a new project entering Apache Incubator
Hi Justin Mclean, As an ordinary developer outside the Apache organization, I don't know much about the internal management rules of Apache, so I can only say a few thoughts from an outsider's point of view. My thoughts are simple: 1. Based on the long-term attention to the Apache project and the long-term Apache naming approach, when the project name has incubator- prefix, it allows me to know the fastest maturity of the project, very direct and convenient. 2. Now most of the project incubation in the project name have incubator-, suddenly began to no longer mandatory to write the prefix, for the emergence of the name of the few incubation projects without incubator-, will let most of the non-Apache developers like me is very confusing and skeptical, to increase the burden of further understanding of the situation. Therefore, I prefer the original approach: use the incubator- prefix for the names of incubating projects. If my previous views were shallow, please forgive me and ignore this reply. > On 2024/04/23 00:13:41 Justin Mclean wrote: > HI, > > So, I had an informal chat with Infra, and they don't care which one they do, > but is it some work for them to change from “incubator-foo” to “foo” on > graduation. I’m curious as to why some people in this thread think this is a > big issue if the project clearly states it is an incubating project. I will > note that Hertzbeat put the GitHub name in their propopal, and no one said > anything about it. > > Kind Regards, > Justin > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > >> From: Sheng Wu >> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2024 11:46 PM >> To: general@incubator.apache.org ; >> d...@armoro.apache.org ; d...@hertzbeat.apache.org >> >> Subject: Re: Questions about a new project entering Apache Incubator >> >> With no further update, the consensus is clear from most that. >> >> The podlings should have `incubator-` prefix as most other projects followed. >> >> Armoro and Hertzbeat PPMC team, please fix this. >> >> Sheng Wu 吴晟 >> Twitter, wusheng1108
Re: Questions about a new project entering Apache Incubator
HI, So, I had an informal chat with Infra, and they don't care which one they do, but is it some work for them to change from “incubator-foo” to “foo” on graduation. I’m curious as to why some people in this thread think this is a big issue if the project clearly states it is an incubating project. I will note that Hertzbeat put the GitHub name in their propopal, and no one said anything about it. Kind Regards, Justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Questions about a new project entering Apache Incubator
With no further update, the consensus is clear from most that. The podlings should have `incubator-` prefix as most other projects followed. Armoro and Hertzbeat PPMC team, please fix this. Sheng Wu 吴晟 Twitter, wusheng1108 Chao Gong 于2024年4月17日周三 20:03写道： > > Hi rat O, > > Sorry for slowly response, We will clean the non-english language in the > codes later. > > Best Wishes. > Tom > > rat O 于2024年4月17日周三 17:48写道： > > > > > > For projects in incubation, is it no longer necessary for the project > > name to have the "incubator-" prefix as it used to be? > > > > Thanks to the Apache members for responding. It make me know that this > > issue is being looked into. > > > > > I wonder if the situation of having a significant amount of non-English > > languages in the codes, like these > > > > > https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat/blob/master/warehouse/src/main/java/org/apache/hertzbeat/warehouse/config/WarehouseProperties.java > > , > > > > > https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat/blob/master/common/src/main/java/org/apache/hertzbeat/common/entity/manager/NoticeRule.java > > , > > > > > https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat/blob/master/common/src/main/java/org/apache/hertzbeat/common/config/AviatorConfiguration.java > > > ... > > > , will all of them also be addressed in the future? > > > > I would also like to receive a response from Apache regarding this issue > > of a significant amount of non-English language in codes. > > > > > > From: tison > > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2024 5:16 PM > > To: general@incubator.apache.org > > Subject: Re: Questions about a new project entering Apache Incubator > > > > And [1] is actually update the community docs without INFRA changes. > > Previously (and now?), foo.incubator.apache.org has the same content with > > foo.apache.org unless you explicitly ask INFRA to change. > > > > Like even > > https://flink.incubator.apache.org/. > > > > I guess the main "pain point" is whimsy Web check checks " > > foo.incubator.apache.org" in config in some file on SVN before, and thus > > cause the Web check having a red mark. > > > > Best, > > tison. > > > > > > tison 于2024年4月17日 周三17:02写道： > > > > > I vote in [1] since it's how we practice for quite a while and it's a > > > clear consensus by the vote. > > > > > > All the repo of podlings have incubator- prefix, I don't see a motivation > > > to change. > > > > > > In [2] it says: > > > > > > > make less work for Infra > > > > > > I wonder if INFRA complained for this process. And what is the associated > > > JIRA ticket in INFRA to do the rename. I'd like to take INFRA's opinion > > > into consideration. > > > > > > In my previous experience, keep the name "foo", let INFRA move the repo, > > > rename it to "incubator-foo", and drop the prefix on graduation. In this > > > way, the link "apache/foo" will always work with GH redirections. > > > > > > To John: > > > > > > > , it can be confusing that they do. > > > > > > What is the certain redirection causing your confusion? > > > > > > Best, > > > tison. > > > > > > [1] > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/n18gkb23bp005gb176jnwo2nrxty3z84 > > > [2] > > > https://github.com/apache/amoro/issues/2700 > > > > > > > > > Sheng Wu 于2024年4月17日 周三12:09写道： > > > > > >> This is not to get the conclusion, and it is not clear, and many other > > >> project repositories are with this prefix. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/transferring.html#first_steps_outside_the_incubator > > >> (tison > > >> found) > > >> > > >> Graduation doc is there indicating incaubtor- prefix is expected. This > > is > > >> just a 10s operation on GitHub admin page, not a heavy work. Graduation > > is > > >> not happening every day, even not every month. Developer don't have to > > >> change remote git, as that redirect forward is supported too. > > >> > > >> More importantly, I don't agree this is clear without prefix. > > >> > > >> This us serious change, if you inist this is clear, start a vote. A lot > > of > > >> ppl in this con
Re: Questions about a new project entering Apache Incubator
Hi rat O, Sorry for slowly response, We will clean the non-english language in the codes later. Best Wishes. Tom rat O 于2024年4月17日周三 17:48写道： > > > For projects in incubation, is it no longer necessary for the project > name to have the "incubator-" prefix as it used to be? > > Thanks to the Apache members for responding. It make me know that this > issue is being looked into. > > > I wonder if the situation of having a significant amount of non-English > languages in the codes, like these > > > https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat/blob/master/warehouse/src/main/java/org/apache/hertzbeat/warehouse/config/WarehouseProperties.java > , > > > https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat/blob/master/common/src/main/java/org/apache/hertzbeat/common/entity/manager/NoticeRule.java > , > > > https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat/blob/master/common/src/main/java/org/apache/hertzbeat/common/config/AviatorConfiguration.java > > ... > > , will all of them also be addressed in the future? > > I would also like to receive a response from Apache regarding this issue > of a significant amount of non-English language in codes. > > > From: tison > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2024 5:16 PM > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: Questions about a new project entering Apache Incubator > > And [1] is actually update the community docs without INFRA changes. > Previously (and now?), foo.incubator.apache.org has the same content with > foo.apache.org unless you explicitly ask INFRA to change. > > Like even > https://flink.incubator.apache.org/. > > I guess the main "pain point" is whimsy Web check checks " > foo.incubator.apache.org" in config in some file on SVN before, and thus > cause the Web check having a red mark. > > Best, > tison. > > > tison 于2024年4月17日 周三17:02写道： > > > I vote in [1] since it's how we practice for quite a while and it's a > > clear consensus by the vote. > > > > All the repo of podlings have incubator- prefix, I don't see a motivation > > to change. > > > > In [2] it says: > > > > > make less work for Infra > > > > I wonder if INFRA complained for this process. And what is the associated > > JIRA ticket in INFRA to do the rename. I'd like to take INFRA's opinion > > into consideration. > > > > In my previous experience, keep the name "foo", let INFRA move the repo, > > rename it to "incubator-foo", and drop the prefix on graduation. In this > > way, the link "apache/foo" will always work with GH redirections. > > > > To John: > > > > > , it can be confusing that they do. > > > > What is the certain redirection causing your confusion? > > > > Best, > > tison. > > > > [1] > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/n18gkb23bp005gb176jnwo2nrxty3z84 > > [2] > > https://github.com/apache/amoro/issues/2700 > > > > > > Sheng Wu 于2024年4月17日 周三12:09写道： > > > >> This is not to get the conclusion, and it is not clear, and many other > >> project repositories are with this prefix. > >> > >> > >> > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/transferring.html#first_steps_outside_the_incubator > >> (tison > >> found) > >> > >> Graduation doc is there indicating incaubtor- prefix is expected. This > is > >> just a 10s operation on GitHub admin page, not a heavy work. Graduation > is > >> not happening every day, even not every month. Developer don't have to > >> change remote git, as that redirect forward is supported too. > >> > >> More importantly, I don't agree this is clear without prefix. > >> > >> This us serious change, if you inist this is clear, start a vote. A lot > of > >> ppl in this context don't agree too. > >> > >> Sheng Wu 吴晟 > >> > >> Apache SkyWalking > >> Twitter, wusheng1108 > >> > >> > >> Justin Mclean 于2024年4月17日 周三11:59写道： > >> > >> > Hi, > >> > > >> > Both of these projects are new and just getting set up. I'd give them > a > >> > little time to do that. Infra in recent years have asked to minimise > >> work > >> > for them on graduation. We recently dropped the requirement for having > >> > incubating in podling domain names so I don't see it's needed in repo > >> names > >> > as long as it clear the project is an incubating project. > >> > Kind Regards, > >>
Re: Questions about a new project entering Apache Incubator
And [1] is actually update the community docs without INFRA changes. Previously (and now?), foo.incubator.apache.org has the same content with foo.apache.org unless you explicitly ask INFRA to change. Like even https://flink.incubator.apache.org/. I guess the main "pain point" is whimsy Web check checks " foo.incubator.apache.org" in config in some file on SVN before, and thus cause the Web check having a red mark. Best, tison. tison 于2024年4月17日 周三17:02写道： > I vote in [1] since it's how we practice for quite a while and it's a > clear consensus by the vote. > > All the repo of podlings have incubator- prefix, I don't see a motivation > to change. > > In [2] it says: > > > make less work for Infra > > I wonder if INFRA complained for this process. And what is the associated > JIRA ticket in INFRA to do the rename. I'd like to take INFRA's opinion > into consideration. > > In my previous experience, keep the name "foo", let INFRA move the repo, > rename it to "incubator-foo", and drop the prefix on graduation. In this > way, the link "apache/foo" will always work with GH redirections. > > To John: > > > , it can be confusing that they do. > > What is the certain redirection causing your confusion? > > Best, > tison. > > [1] > https://lists.apache.org/thread/n18gkb23bp005gb176jnwo2nrxty3z84 > [2] > https://github.com/apache/amoro/issues/2700 > > > Sheng Wu 于2024年4月17日 周三12:09写道： > >> This is not to get the conclusion, and it is not clear, and many other >> project repositories are with this prefix. >> >> >> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/transferring.html#first_steps_outside_the_incubator >> (tison >> found) >> >> Graduation doc is there indicating incaubtor- prefix is expected. This is >> just a 10s operation on GitHub admin page, not a heavy work. Graduation is >> not happening every day, even not every month. Developer don't have to >> change remote git, as that redirect forward is supported too. >> >> More importantly, I don't agree this is clear without prefix. >> >> This us serious change, if you inist this is clear, start a vote. A lot of >> ppl in this context don't agree too. >> >> Sheng Wu 吴晟 >> >> Apache SkyWalking >> Twitter, wusheng1108 >> >> >> Justin Mclean 于2024年4月17日 周三11:59写道： >> >> > Hi, >> > >> > Both of these projects are new and just getting set up. I'd give them a >> > little time to do that. Infra in recent years have asked to minimise >> work >> > for them on graduation. We recently dropped the requirement for having >> > incubating in podling domain names so I don't see it's needed in repo >> names >> > as long as it clear the project is an incubating project. >> > Kind Regards, >> > Justin >> > >> > >> > On Wed, 17 Apr 2024, 1:47 pm Willem Jiang, >> wrote: >> > >> > > With the "incubator" profix, it's easy for us to tell if the project >> > > belongs to the incubator and it is still in the incubating process. >> > > Currently I cannot find any disclaimer document[1] in the repo root >> > > directory from [2][3] to tell if they are still in the incubator or >> > > not. >> > > >> > > [1]https://incubator.apache.org/policy/incubation.html#disclaimers >> > > [2]https://github.com/apache/amoro >> > > [3]https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat >> > > >> > > Willem Jiang >> > > >> > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 11:06 AM Calvin Kirs wrote: >> > > > >> > > > Podlings are not yet fully accepted as part of the Apache Software >> > > > Foundation. >> > > > >> > > > I haven't specifically witnessed any formal decision or process for >> > > > removing the "incubator" prefix from repository names. >> > > > >> > > > Unless there are compelling reasons to remove the "incubator" >> prefix, I >> > > > believe it's important to maintain a clear distinction between >> Podlings >> > > and >> > > > TLPs, especially in situations where confusion is likely to arise. >> > > > >> > > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 10:32 AM Sheng Wu < >> wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> >> > > wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > Same mistake for Armoro as Hertzbeat team was misguided from >> > > > > https://github.com/apache/amoro/issues/2700 >> > > > > >> > > > > This is not discussed AFAIK, and the description is not correct. >> > > > > GitHub supported renaming and repository path forward >> automatically >> > > > > years ago. apache/incubator-foo -> apache/foo is transparent and >> both >> > > > > addresses work. >> > > > > >> > > > > This should not be changed randomly considering many other >> projects >> > > > > are using incubator- prefix. This renaming causes confusion. IPMC >> are >> > > > > making sure the website has `incubating` and disclaimer as always, >> > > > > suddenly some projects even could use repository names without >> > > > > prefixes. This is wrong. >> > > > > >> > > > > Mentors of Armoro and Hertzbeat should follow the existing >> > > > > requirements, and PPMC members of these two projects should ask >> INFRA >> > > > > to rename, adding the incubator- prefix back. >> > > > > >> > > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟 >> > > > >
Re: Questions about a new project entering Apache Incubator
> For projects in incubation, is it no longer necessary for the project name to > have the "incubator-" prefix as it used to be? Thanks to the Apache members for responding. It make me know that this issue is being looked into. > I wonder if the situation of having a significant amount of non-English > languages in the codes, like these > https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat/blob/master/warehouse/src/main/java/org/apache/hertzbeat/warehouse/config/WarehouseProperties.java, > https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat/blob/master/common/src/main/java/org/apache/hertzbeat/common/entity/manager/NoticeRule.java, > https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat/blob/master/common/src/main/java/org/apache/hertzbeat/common/config/AviatorConfiguration.java > ... > , will all of them also be addressed in the future? I would also like to receive a response from Apache regarding this issue of a significant amount of non-English language in codes. From: tison Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2024 5:16 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Questions about a new project entering Apache Incubator And [1] is actually update the community docs without INFRA changes. Previously (and now?), foo.incubator.apache.org has the same content with foo.apache.org unless you explicitly ask INFRA to change. Like even https://flink.incubator.apache.org/. I guess the main "pain point" is whimsy Web check checks " foo.incubator.apache.org" in config in some file on SVN before, and thus cause the Web check having a red mark. Best, tison. tison 于2024年4月17日 周三17:02写道： > I vote in [1] since it's how we practice for quite a while and it's a > clear consensus by the vote. > > All the repo of podlings have incubator- prefix, I don't see a motivation > to change. > > In [2] it says: > > > make less work for Infra > > I wonder if INFRA complained for this process. And what is the associated > JIRA ticket in INFRA to do the rename. I'd like to take INFRA's opinion > into consideration. > > In my previous experience, keep the name "foo", let INFRA move the repo, > rename it to "incubator-foo", and drop the prefix on graduation. In this > way, the link "apache/foo" will always work with GH redirections. > > To John: > > > , it can be confusing that they do. > > What is the certain redirection causing your confusion? > > Best, > tison. > > [1] > https://lists.apache.org/thread/n18gkb23bp005gb176jnwo2nrxty3z84 > [2] > https://github.com/apache/amoro/issues/2700 > > > Sheng Wu 于2024年4月17日 周三12:09写道： > >> This is not to get the conclusion, and it is not clear, and many other >> project repositories are with this prefix. >> >> >> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/transferring.html#first_steps_outside_the_incubator >> (tison >> found) >> >> Graduation doc is there indicating incaubtor- prefix is expected. This is >> just a 10s operation on GitHub admin page, not a heavy work. Graduation is >> not happening every day, even not every month. Developer don't have to >> change remote git, as that redirect forward is supported too. >> >> More importantly, I don't agree this is clear without prefix. >> >> This us serious change, if you inist this is clear, start a vote. A lot of >> ppl in this context don't agree too. >> >> Sheng Wu 吴晟 >> >> Apache SkyWalking >> Twitter, wusheng1108 >> >> >> Justin Mclean 于2024年4月17日 周三11:59写道： >> >> > Hi, >> > >> > Both of these projects are new and just getting set up. I'd give them a >> > little time to do that. Infra in recent years have asked to minimise >> work >> > for them on graduation. We recently dropped the requirement for having >> > incubating in podling domain names so I don't see it's needed in repo >> names >> > as long as it clear the project is an incubating project. >> > Kind Regards, >> > Justin >> > >> > >> > On Wed, 17 Apr 2024, 1:47 pm Willem Jiang, >> wrote: >> > >> > > With the "incubator" profix, it's easy for us to tell if the project >> > > belongs to the incubator and it is still in the incubating process. >> > > Currently I cannot find any disclaimer document[1] in the repo root >> > > directory from [2][3] to tell if they are still in the incubator or >> > > not. >> > > >> > > [1]https://incubator.apache.org/policy/incubation.html#disclaimers >> > > [2]https://github.com/apache/amoro >> > > [3]https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat >> > > >> >
Re: Questions about a new project entering Apache Incubator
I vote in [1] since it's how we practice for quite a while and it's a clear consensus by the vote. All the repo of podlings have incubator- prefix, I don't see a motivation to change. In [2] it says: > make less work for Infra I wonder if INFRA complained for this process. And what is the associated JIRA ticket in INFRA to do the rename. I'd like to take INFRA's opinion into consideration. In my previous experience, keep the name "foo", let INFRA move the repo, rename it to "incubator-foo", and drop the prefix on graduation. In this way, the link "apache/foo" will always work with GH redirections. To John: > , it can be confusing that they do. What is the certain redirection causing your confusion? Best, tison. [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/n18gkb23bp005gb176jnwo2nrxty3z84 [2] https://github.com/apache/amoro/issues/2700 Sheng Wu 于2024年4月17日 周三12:09写道： > This is not to get the conclusion, and it is not clear, and many other > project repositories are with this prefix. > > > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/transferring.html#first_steps_outside_the_incubator > (tison > found) > > Graduation doc is there indicating incaubtor- prefix is expected. This is > just a 10s operation on GitHub admin page, not a heavy work. Graduation is > not happening every day, even not every month. Developer don't have to > change remote git, as that redirect forward is supported too. > > More importantly, I don't agree this is clear without prefix. > > This us serious change, if you inist this is clear, start a vote. A lot of > ppl in this context don't agree too. > > Sheng Wu 吴晟 > > Apache SkyWalking > Twitter, wusheng1108 > > > Justin Mclean 于2024年4月17日 周三11:59写道： > > > Hi, > > > > Both of these projects are new and just getting set up. I'd give them a > > little time to do that. Infra in recent years have asked to minimise work > > for them on graduation. We recently dropped the requirement for having > > incubating in podling domain names so I don't see it's needed in repo > names > > as long as it clear the project is an incubating project. > > Kind Regards, > > Justin > > > > > > On Wed, 17 Apr 2024, 1:47 pm Willem Jiang, > wrote: > > > > > With the "incubator" profix, it's easy for us to tell if the project > > > belongs to the incubator and it is still in the incubating process. > > > Currently I cannot find any disclaimer document[1] in the repo root > > > directory from [2][3] to tell if they are still in the incubator or > > > not. > > > > > > [1]https://incubator.apache.org/policy/incubation.html#disclaimers > > > [2]https://github.com/apache/amoro > > > [3]https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat > > > > > > Willem Jiang > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 11:06 AM Calvin Kirs wrote: > > > > > > > > Podlings are not yet fully accepted as part of the Apache Software > > > > Foundation. > > > > > > > > I haven't specifically witnessed any formal decision or process for > > > > removing the "incubator" prefix from repository names. > > > > > > > > Unless there are compelling reasons to remove the "incubator" > prefix, I > > > > believe it's important to maintain a clear distinction between > Podlings > > > and > > > > TLPs, especially in situations where confusion is likely to arise. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 10:32 AM Sheng Wu > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Same mistake for Armoro as Hertzbeat team was misguided from > > > > > https://github.com/apache/amoro/issues/2700 > > > > > > > > > > This is not discussed AFAIK, and the description is not correct. > > > > > GitHub supported renaming and repository path forward automatically > > > > > years ago. apache/incubator-foo -> apache/foo is transparent and > both > > > > > addresses work. > > > > > > > > > > This should not be changed randomly considering many other projects > > > > > are using incubator- prefix. This renaming causes confusion. IPMC > are > > > > > making sure the website has `incubating` and disclaimer as always, > > > > > suddenly some projects even could use repository names without > > > > > prefixes. This is wrong. > > > > > > > > > > Mentors of Armoro and Hertzbeat should follow the existing > > > > > requirements, and PPMC members of these two projects should ask > INFRA > > > > > to rename, adding the incubator- prefix back. > > > > > > > > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟 > > > > > Twitter, wusheng1108 > > > > > > > > > > Xuanwo 于2024年4月17日周三 10:19写道： > > > > > > > > > > > > > For projects in incubation, is it no longer necessary for the > > > project > > > > > > > name to have the "incubator-" prefix as it used to be? > > > > > > > > > > > > Based on the discussions in this mailing list, the only change > made > > > is > > > > > the removal of `incubator` from the domain. Now, users access ` > > > > > polding.apache.org` instead of `polding.incubator.apache.org` by > > > default. > > > > > > > > > > > > The project and releases are still required to include > "incubator", > > > and > > > > > it's important for the PPMC to
Re: Questions about a new project entering Apache Incubator
This is not to get the conclusion, and it is not clear, and many other project repositories are with this prefix. https://incubator.apache.org/guides/transferring.html#first_steps_outside_the_incubator (tison found) Graduation doc is there indicating incaubtor- prefix is expected. This is just a 10s operation on GitHub admin page, not a heavy work. Graduation is not happening every day, even not every month. Developer don't have to change remote git, as that redirect forward is supported too. More importantly, I don't agree this is clear without prefix. This us serious change, if you inist this is clear, start a vote. A lot of ppl in this context don't agree too. Sheng Wu 吴晟 Apache SkyWalking Twitter, wusheng1108 Justin Mclean 于2024年4月17日 周三11:59写道： > Hi, > > Both of these projects are new and just getting set up. I'd give them a > little time to do that. Infra in recent years have asked to minimise work > for them on graduation. We recently dropped the requirement for having > incubating in podling domain names so I don't see it's needed in repo names > as long as it clear the project is an incubating project. > Kind Regards, > Justin > > > On Wed, 17 Apr 2024, 1:47 pm Willem Jiang, wrote: > > > With the "incubator" profix, it's easy for us to tell if the project > > belongs to the incubator and it is still in the incubating process. > > Currently I cannot find any disclaimer document[1] in the repo root > > directory from [2][3] to tell if they are still in the incubator or > > not. > > > > [1]https://incubator.apache.org/policy/incubation.html#disclaimers > > [2]https://github.com/apache/amoro > > [3]https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat > > > > Willem Jiang > > > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 11:06 AM Calvin Kirs wrote: > > > > > > Podlings are not yet fully accepted as part of the Apache Software > > > Foundation. > > > > > > I haven't specifically witnessed any formal decision or process for > > > removing the "incubator" prefix from repository names. > > > > > > Unless there are compelling reasons to remove the "incubator" prefix, I > > > believe it's important to maintain a clear distinction between Podlings > > and > > > TLPs, especially in situations where confusion is likely to arise. > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 10:32 AM Sheng Wu > > wrote: > > > > > > > Same mistake for Armoro as Hertzbeat team was misguided from > > > > https://github.com/apache/amoro/issues/2700 > > > > > > > > This is not discussed AFAIK, and the description is not correct. > > > > GitHub supported renaming and repository path forward automatically > > > > years ago. apache/incubator-foo -> apache/foo is transparent and both > > > > addresses work. > > > > > > > > This should not be changed randomly considering many other projects > > > > are using incubator- prefix. This renaming causes confusion. IPMC are > > > > making sure the website has `incubating` and disclaimer as always, > > > > suddenly some projects even could use repository names without > > > > prefixes. This is wrong. > > > > > > > > Mentors of Armoro and Hertzbeat should follow the existing > > > > requirements, and PPMC members of these two projects should ask INFRA > > > > to rename, adding the incubator- prefix back. > > > > > > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟 > > > > Twitter, wusheng1108 > > > > > > > > Xuanwo 于2024年4月17日周三 10:19写道： > > > > > > > > > > > For projects in incubation, is it no longer necessary for the > > project > > > > > > name to have the "incubator-" prefix as it used to be? > > > > > > > > > > Based on the discussions in this mailing list, the only change made > > is > > > > the removal of `incubator` from the domain. Now, users access ` > > > > polding.apache.org` instead of `polding.incubator.apache.org` by > > default. > > > > > > > > > > The project and releases are still required to include "incubator", > > and > > > > it's important for the PPMC to clearly communicate that this project > > > > remains under incubation. > > > > > > > > > > In this case, I believe Hertzbeat PPMC made a mistake. I will > suggest > > > > they rename it to incubator-hertzbeat. > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 15, 2024, at 14:23, rat O wrote: > > > > > > First of all, congratulations to HertzBeat for successfully > > entering > > > > > > the Apache Incubator. > > > > > > > > > > > > I noticed that the project has created an issue for an unknown > > license > > > > > > and is ready to address it. I'm sure the project will also > address > > > > > > other unknown licenses, if they exist. > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if the situation of having a significant amount of > > non-English > > > > > > languages in the codes, like these > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat/blob/master/warehouse/src/main/java/org/apache/hertzbeat/warehouse/config/WarehouseProperties.java > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat/blob/master/common/src/main/java/org/apache/hertzbeat/common/entity/manager/NoticeRule.java > > >
Re: Questions about a new project entering Apache Incubator
Hi, Both of these projects are new and just getting set up. I'd give them a little time to do that. Infra in recent years have asked to minimise work for them on graduation. We recently dropped the requirement for having incubating in podling domain names so I don't see it's needed in repo names as long as it clear the project is an incubating project. Kind Regards, Justin On Wed, 17 Apr 2024, 1:47 pm Willem Jiang, wrote: > With the "incubator" profix, it's easy for us to tell if the project > belongs to the incubator and it is still in the incubating process. > Currently I cannot find any disclaimer document[1] in the repo root > directory from [2][3] to tell if they are still in the incubator or > not. > > [1]https://incubator.apache.org/policy/incubation.html#disclaimers > [2]https://github.com/apache/amoro > [3]https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat > > Willem Jiang > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 11:06 AM Calvin Kirs wrote: > > > > Podlings are not yet fully accepted as part of the Apache Software > > Foundation. > > > > I haven't specifically witnessed any formal decision or process for > > removing the "incubator" prefix from repository names. > > > > Unless there are compelling reasons to remove the "incubator" prefix, I > > believe it's important to maintain a clear distinction between Podlings > and > > TLPs, especially in situations where confusion is likely to arise. > > > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 10:32 AM Sheng Wu > wrote: > > > > > Same mistake for Armoro as Hertzbeat team was misguided from > > > https://github.com/apache/amoro/issues/2700 > > > > > > This is not discussed AFAIK, and the description is not correct. > > > GitHub supported renaming and repository path forward automatically > > > years ago. apache/incubator-foo -> apache/foo is transparent and both > > > addresses work. > > > > > > This should not be changed randomly considering many other projects > > > are using incubator- prefix. This renaming causes confusion. IPMC are > > > making sure the website has `incubating` and disclaimer as always, > > > suddenly some projects even could use repository names without > > > prefixes. This is wrong. > > > > > > Mentors of Armoro and Hertzbeat should follow the existing > > > requirements, and PPMC members of these two projects should ask INFRA > > > to rename, adding the incubator- prefix back. > > > > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟 > > > Twitter, wusheng1108 > > > > > > Xuanwo 于2024年4月17日周三 10:19写道： > > > > > > > > > For projects in incubation, is it no longer necessary for the > project > > > > > name to have the "incubator-" prefix as it used to be? > > > > > > > > Based on the discussions in this mailing list, the only change made > is > > > the removal of `incubator` from the domain. Now, users access ` > > > polding.apache.org` instead of `polding.incubator.apache.org` by > default. > > > > > > > > The project and releases are still required to include "incubator", > and > > > it's important for the PPMC to clearly communicate that this project > > > remains under incubation. > > > > > > > > In this case, I believe Hertzbeat PPMC made a mistake. I will suggest > > > they rename it to incubator-hertzbeat. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 15, 2024, at 14:23, rat O wrote: > > > > > First of all, congratulations to HertzBeat for successfully > entering > > > > > the Apache Incubator. > > > > > > > > > > I noticed that the project has created an issue for an unknown > license > > > > > and is ready to address it. I'm sure the project will also address > > > > > other unknown licenses, if they exist. > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if the situation of having a significant amount of > non-English > > > > > languages in the codes, like these > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat/blob/master/warehouse/src/main/java/org/apache/hertzbeat/warehouse/config/WarehouseProperties.java > > > , > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat/blob/master/common/src/main/java/org/apache/hertzbeat/common/entity/manager/NoticeRule.java > > > , > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat/blob/master/common/src/main/java/org/apache/hertzbeat/common/config/AviatorConfiguration.java > > > > > ... > > > > > , will all of them also be addressed in the future? > > > > > > > > > > For projects in incubation, is it no longer necessary for the > project > > > > > name to have the "incubator-" prefix as it used to be? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Xuanwo > > > > > > > > - > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Best wishes！ > > CalvinKirs > >
Re: Questions about a new project entering Apache Incubator
With the "incubator" profix, it's easy for us to tell if the project belongs to the incubator and it is still in the incubating process. Currently I cannot find any disclaimer document[1] in the repo root directory from [2][3] to tell if they are still in the incubator or not. [1]https://incubator.apache.org/policy/incubation.html#disclaimers [2]https://github.com/apache/amoro [3]https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat Willem Jiang On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 11:06 AM Calvin Kirs wrote: > > Podlings are not yet fully accepted as part of the Apache Software > Foundation. > > I haven't specifically witnessed any formal decision or process for > removing the "incubator" prefix from repository names. > > Unless there are compelling reasons to remove the "incubator" prefix, I > believe it's important to maintain a clear distinction between Podlings and > TLPs, especially in situations where confusion is likely to arise. > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 10:32 AM Sheng Wu wrote: > > > Same mistake for Armoro as Hertzbeat team was misguided from > > https://github.com/apache/amoro/issues/2700 > > > > This is not discussed AFAIK, and the description is not correct. > > GitHub supported renaming and repository path forward automatically > > years ago. apache/incubator-foo -> apache/foo is transparent and both > > addresses work. > > > > This should not be changed randomly considering many other projects > > are using incubator- prefix. This renaming causes confusion. IPMC are > > making sure the website has `incubating` and disclaimer as always, > > suddenly some projects even could use repository names without > > prefixes. This is wrong. > > > > Mentors of Armoro and Hertzbeat should follow the existing > > requirements, and PPMC members of these two projects should ask INFRA > > to rename, adding the incubator- prefix back. > > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟 > > Twitter, wusheng1108 > > > > Xuanwo 于2024年4月17日周三 10:19写道： > > > > > > > For projects in incubation, is it no longer necessary for the project > > > > name to have the "incubator-" prefix as it used to be? > > > > > > Based on the discussions in this mailing list, the only change made is > > the removal of `incubator` from the domain. Now, users access ` > > polding.apache.org` instead of `polding.incubator.apache.org` by default. > > > > > > The project and releases are still required to include "incubator", and > > it's important for the PPMC to clearly communicate that this project > > remains under incubation. > > > > > > In this case, I believe Hertzbeat PPMC made a mistake. I will suggest > > they rename it to incubator-hertzbeat. > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 15, 2024, at 14:23, rat O wrote: > > > > First of all, congratulations to HertzBeat for successfully entering > > > > the Apache Incubator. > > > > > > > > I noticed that the project has created an issue for an unknown license > > > > and is ready to address it. I'm sure the project will also address > > > > other unknown licenses, if they exist. > > > > > > > > I wonder if the situation of having a significant amount of non-English > > > > languages in the codes, like these > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat/blob/master/warehouse/src/main/java/org/apache/hertzbeat/warehouse/config/WarehouseProperties.java > > , > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat/blob/master/common/src/main/java/org/apache/hertzbeat/common/entity/manager/NoticeRule.java > > , > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat/blob/master/common/src/main/java/org/apache/hertzbeat/common/config/AviatorConfiguration.java > > > > ... > > > > , will all of them also be addressed in the future? > > > > > > > > For projects in incubation, is it no longer necessary for the project > > > > name to have the "incubator-" prefix as it used to be? > > > > > > -- > > > Xuanwo > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > -- > Best wishes！ > CalvinKirs - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Questions about a new project entering Apache Incubator
On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 11:06 PM Calvin Kirs wrote: > Podlings are not yet fully accepted as part of the Apache Software > Foundation. > > I haven't specifically witnessed any formal decision or process for > removing the "incubator" prefix from repository names. > > Unless there are compelling reasons to remove the "incubator" prefix, I > believe it's important to maintain a clear distinction between Podlings and > TLPs, especially in situations where confusion is likely to arise. > FWIW, the incubator- prefix comes from the SVN days where all podlings were under the incubator SVN tree, then had their own but named like a subproject (which in all honesty to simplify ASF policies, podlings are really just subprojects of the Incubator PMC, hence why IPMC votes on them). As tooling has seemingly improved over time, it seems like we can map repositories to the PMC that is responsible for them without relying on naming conventions, which is a big step up. What does concern me though, looking at Hertzbeat, is that there's no mentions of the Incubator anywhere to be found. I'm assuming they're just getting stood up, but perhaps there needs to be a way to cross reference that the repository belongs to incubator that's visible to someone using that repository. I think I'd be for it, but assuming we put up some guardrails for podlings. While its true repositories can redirect, it can be confusing that they do. John > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 10:32 AM Sheng Wu > wrote: > > > Same mistake for Armoro as Hertzbeat team was misguided from > > https://github.com/apache/amoro/issues/2700 > > > > This is not discussed AFAIK, and the description is not correct. > > GitHub supported renaming and repository path forward automatically > > years ago. apache/incubator-foo -> apache/foo is transparent and both > > addresses work. > > > > This should not be changed randomly considering many other projects > > are using incubator- prefix. This renaming causes confusion. IPMC are > > making sure the website has `incubating` and disclaimer as always, > > suddenly some projects even could use repository names without > > prefixes. This is wrong. > > > > Mentors of Armoro and Hertzbeat should follow the existing > > requirements, and PPMC members of these two projects should ask INFRA > > to rename, adding the incubator- prefix back. > > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟 > > Twitter, wusheng1108 > > > > Xuanwo 于2024年4月17日周三 10:19写道： > > > > > > > For projects in incubation, is it no longer necessary for the project > > > > name to have the "incubator-" prefix as it used to be? > > > > > > Based on the discussions in this mailing list, the only change made is > > the removal of `incubator` from the domain. Now, users access ` > > polding.apache.org` instead of `polding.incubator.apache.org` by > default. > > > > > > The project and releases are still required to include "incubator", and > > it's important for the PPMC to clearly communicate that this project > > remains under incubation. > > > > > > In this case, I believe Hertzbeat PPMC made a mistake. I will suggest > > they rename it to incubator-hertzbeat. > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 15, 2024, at 14:23, rat O wrote: > > > > First of all, congratulations to HertzBeat for successfully entering > > > > the Apache Incubator. > > > > > > > > I noticed that the project has created an issue for an unknown > license > > > > and is ready to address it. I'm sure the project will also address > > > > other unknown licenses, if they exist. > > > > > > > > I wonder if the situation of having a significant amount of > non-English > > > > languages in the codes, like these > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat/blob/master/warehouse/src/main/java/org/apache/hertzbeat/warehouse/config/WarehouseProperties.java > > , > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat/blob/master/common/src/main/java/org/apache/hertzbeat/common/entity/manager/NoticeRule.java > > , > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat/blob/master/common/src/main/java/org/apache/hertzbeat/common/config/AviatorConfiguration.java > > > > ... > > > > , will all of them also be addressed in the future? > > > > > > > > For projects in incubation, is it no longer necessary for the project > > > > name to have the "incubator-" prefix as it used to be? > > > > > > -- > > > Xuanwo > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > -- > Best wishes！ > CalvinKirs >
Re: Questions about a new project entering Apache Incubator
Podlings are not yet fully accepted as part of the Apache Software Foundation. I haven't specifically witnessed any formal decision or process for removing the "incubator" prefix from repository names. Unless there are compelling reasons to remove the "incubator" prefix, I believe it's important to maintain a clear distinction between Podlings and TLPs, especially in situations where confusion is likely to arise. On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 10:32 AM Sheng Wu wrote: > Same mistake for Armoro as Hertzbeat team was misguided from > https://github.com/apache/amoro/issues/2700 > > This is not discussed AFAIK, and the description is not correct. > GitHub supported renaming and repository path forward automatically > years ago. apache/incubator-foo -> apache/foo is transparent and both > addresses work. > > This should not be changed randomly considering many other projects > are using incubator- prefix. This renaming causes confusion. IPMC are > making sure the website has `incubating` and disclaimer as always, > suddenly some projects even could use repository names without > prefixes. This is wrong. > > Mentors of Armoro and Hertzbeat should follow the existing > requirements, and PPMC members of these two projects should ask INFRA > to rename, adding the incubator- prefix back. > > Sheng Wu 吴晟 > Twitter, wusheng1108 > > Xuanwo 于2024年4月17日周三 10:19写道： > > > > > For projects in incubation, is it no longer necessary for the project > > > name to have the "incubator-" prefix as it used to be? > > > > Based on the discussions in this mailing list, the only change made is > the removal of `incubator` from the domain. Now, users access ` > polding.apache.org` instead of `polding.incubator.apache.org` by default. > > > > The project and releases are still required to include "incubator", and > it's important for the PPMC to clearly communicate that this project > remains under incubation. > > > > In this case, I believe Hertzbeat PPMC made a mistake. I will suggest > they rename it to incubator-hertzbeat. > > > > On Mon, Apr 15, 2024, at 14:23, rat O wrote: > > > First of all, congratulations to HertzBeat for successfully entering > > > the Apache Incubator. > > > > > > I noticed that the project has created an issue for an unknown license > > > and is ready to address it. I'm sure the project will also address > > > other unknown licenses, if they exist. > > > > > > I wonder if the situation of having a significant amount of non-English > > > languages in the codes, like these > > > > https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat/blob/master/warehouse/src/main/java/org/apache/hertzbeat/warehouse/config/WarehouseProperties.java > , > > > > https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat/blob/master/common/src/main/java/org/apache/hertzbeat/common/entity/manager/NoticeRule.java > , > > > > https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat/blob/master/common/src/main/java/org/apache/hertzbeat/common/config/AviatorConfiguration.java > > > ... > > > , will all of them also be addressed in the future? > > > > > > For projects in incubation, is it no longer necessary for the project > > > name to have the "incubator-" prefix as it used to be? > > > > -- > > Xuanwo > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > -- Best wishes！ CalvinKirs
Re: Questions about a new project entering Apache Incubator
Same mistake for Armoro as Hertzbeat team was misguided from https://github.com/apache/amoro/issues/2700 This is not discussed AFAIK, and the description is not correct. GitHub supported renaming and repository path forward automatically years ago. apache/incubator-foo -> apache/foo is transparent and both addresses work. This should not be changed randomly considering many other projects are using incubator- prefix. This renaming causes confusion. IPMC are making sure the website has `incubating` and disclaimer as always, suddenly some projects even could use repository names without prefixes. This is wrong. Mentors of Armoro and Hertzbeat should follow the existing requirements, and PPMC members of these two projects should ask INFRA to rename, adding the incubator- prefix back. Sheng Wu 吴晟 Twitter, wusheng1108 Xuanwo 于2024年4月17日周三 10:19写道： > > > For projects in incubation, is it no longer necessary for the project > > name to have the "incubator-" prefix as it used to be? > > Based on the discussions in this mailing list, the only change made is the > removal of `incubator` from the domain. Now, users access > `polding.apache.org` instead of `polding.incubator.apache.org` by default. > > The project and releases are still required to include "incubator", and it's > important for the PPMC to clearly communicate that this project remains under > incubation. > > In this case, I believe Hertzbeat PPMC made a mistake. I will suggest they > rename it to incubator-hertzbeat. > > On Mon, Apr 15, 2024, at 14:23, rat O wrote: > > First of all, congratulations to HertzBeat for successfully entering > > the Apache Incubator. > > > > I noticed that the project has created an issue for an unknown license > > and is ready to address it. I'm sure the project will also address > > other unknown licenses, if they exist. > > > > I wonder if the situation of having a significant amount of non-English > > languages in the codes, like these > > https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat/blob/master/warehouse/src/main/java/org/apache/hertzbeat/warehouse/config/WarehouseProperties.java, > > https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat/blob/master/common/src/main/java/org/apache/hertzbeat/common/entity/manager/NoticeRule.java, > > https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat/blob/master/common/src/main/java/org/apache/hertzbeat/common/config/AviatorConfiguration.java > > ... > > , will all of them also be addressed in the future? > > > > For projects in incubation, is it no longer necessary for the project > > name to have the "incubator-" prefix as it used to be? > > -- > Xuanwo > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Questions about a new project entering Apache Incubator
> For projects in incubation, is it no longer necessary for the project > name to have the "incubator-" prefix as it used to be? Based on the discussions in this mailing list, the only change made is the removal of `incubator` from the domain. Now, users access `polding.apache.org` instead of `polding.incubator.apache.org` by default. The project and releases are still required to include "incubator", and it's important for the PPMC to clearly communicate that this project remains under incubation. In this case, I believe Hertzbeat PPMC made a mistake. I will suggest they rename it to incubator-hertzbeat. On Mon, Apr 15, 2024, at 14:23, rat O wrote: > First of all, congratulations to HertzBeat for successfully entering > the Apache Incubator. > > I noticed that the project has created an issue for an unknown license > and is ready to address it. I'm sure the project will also address > other unknown licenses, if they exist. > > I wonder if the situation of having a significant amount of non-English > languages in the codes, like these > https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat/blob/master/warehouse/src/main/java/org/apache/hertzbeat/warehouse/config/WarehouseProperties.java, > https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat/blob/master/common/src/main/java/org/apache/hertzbeat/common/entity/manager/NoticeRule.java, > https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat/blob/master/common/src/main/java/org/apache/hertzbeat/common/config/AviatorConfiguration.java > ... > , will all of them also be addressed in the future? > > For projects in incubation, is it no longer necessary for the project > name to have the "incubator-" prefix as it used to be? -- Xuanwo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Questions about a new project entering Apache Incubator
First of all, congratulations to HertzBeat for successfully entering the Apache Incubator. I noticed that the project has created an issue for an unknown license and is ready to address it. I'm sure the project will also address other unknown licenses, if they exist. I wonder if the situation of having a significant amount of non-English languages in the codes, like these https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat/blob/master/warehouse/src/main/java/org/apache/hertzbeat/warehouse/config/WarehouseProperties.java, https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat/blob/master/common/src/main/java/org/apache/hertzbeat/common/entity/manager/NoticeRule.java, https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat/blob/master/common/src/main/java/org/apache/hertzbeat/common/config/AviatorConfiguration.java ... , will all of them also be addressed in the future? For projects in incubation, is it no longer necessary for the project name to have the "incubator-" prefix as it used to be?
