Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Linda

[Nandana Mihindukulasooriya]

Hi,


> out of curiosity - how does this relate to or maybe even complement Eclipse
> Lyo [1]? For instance is Lyo one of the Enterprise Linked Data scenarios
> which you have been mentioning above?
>
> [1] http://www.eclipse.org/lyo/
>

Eclipse Lyo is focused on OSLC (Open Services for Lifecycle Collaboration)
. OSLC tries to solve to the issue [1] of
integrating variety application life-cycle management (ALM) tools using the
Linked Data principles. To do so, they define a set of specifications [2]
including a core specifications and a specification to each of the
different domains in ALM (eg. requirement management, change management,
quality management, etc.) that define a minimum common vocabulary needed
for integration and some additional features required for tool integration
like "delegated UI", "Resource Shape", and a simplified query syntax. There
is an overlap of OSLC Core and LDP specifications as both of them define a
basic protocol for Linked Data based applications. According to the wiki of
OSLC Core specification [3], "work is current advancing on version 3.0 and
alignment with W3C member submission on Linked Data Basic Profile and the
work of the W3C Linked Data Platform working group". Currently Lyo provides
[4] a Java (and Perl) SDK for OSLC, a set of reference implementatons for
each domain like Change Management, and an OLSC test suite.

IMHO, you are right, OSLC is one of the Enterprise Linked Data scenarios.

The main difference I see is that Eclipse Lyo is focused on
Application Life-cycle Management domain where as LDP / Marmotta project
will provide a more general purpose LDP implementation where wide variety
of Linked Data applications (Enterprise, Open Data, exposing legacy data,
etc.) can be built. Depending on how things progress and the choice of the
Lyo community, Lyo might be able to use Marmotta for adapting LDP.

Best Regards,
Nandana

[1] - http://open-services.net/about/#problem
[2] - http://open-services.net/specifications/
[3] - http://open-services.net/wiki/core/
[4] - http://wiki.eclipse.org/Lyo#Overview_of_current_Lyo_content

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Linda

[Sebastian Schaffert]

Hi Paolo,

You are right, the discussion on the list shows we should explain a bit more 
about the general idea. We will add a paragraph to the proposal and some more 
links to background material. ;-)

Am 19.11.2012 um 00:45 schrieb Paolo Castagna:

> On 19/11/12 01:01, Benson Margulies wrote:
>> Ted,
>> 
>> I did read the whole thing, and I'd like to join you in drawing a
>> curtain in front of the man.
>> 
>> The proposers of this project didn't create the problem of the term
>> 'linked data', and they can't fix it. As you suggest, all they can do
>> is pick a TLP name that is neutral to positive in relation to it.
>> Since they've already signed up for finding some other girl, boy, or
>> dinosaur to take to the dance here,  I think we can leave the question
>> of the badness of the phrase 'linked data' behind.
> 
> A small improvement to the proposal would be to add a definition to 'linked 
> data', so that others can read the rest of the proposal knowing what 'linked 
> data' means in that context.
> 
> The proposal should also refers the reader to:
> 
> - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linked_data
> - http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/LinkedData
> - http://www.w3.org/wiki/LinkedData
> - http://linkeddata.org/
> 
> As you said, nothing can be done in relation to 'linked data'.
> 
> Paolo
> 
>> 
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Linda

[Sebastian Schaffert]

Hi Daniel,

Am 19.11.2012 um 06:53 schrieb dsh:

> A few comments in regards to the proposal draft and "linked data"
> specifically:
> 
> * maybe consider calling out that you are striving towards implementing the
> Linked Data Platform 1.0 W3C draft (at least that's how I understand the
> proposal)

Yes, this is true. The reason why we are not calling this out too loudly is 
that the recommendation is still emerging and that it is by far not the only 
recommendation that needs to be taken into account for a Linked Data Platform. 
There is also RDF, SPARQL 1.1 (including the protocol), WebID and WebACL (still 
working groups, no recommendation so far) and some others that might be 
interesting in enterprise settings (like versioning and the memento protocol). 
But in the proposal we should maybe add pointers to all these recommendations.


> * will Linda (or whatever name you'll choose) cover data governance aspects
> too. right now to me it looks like the assumption is that data is already
> "normalized" where enterprise data usually isn't in real life. That's why
> you have ETL processes and data governance models. That actually
> contradicts one of Berners-Lee statements in the Ted talk. I wouldn't
> assume that enterprises won't open their data because they want to keep it
> secret I would rather assume that there's a huge leap step towards
> transforming legacy data into usable (whatever that means in practice)
> linked data. Maybe how to transform legacy data into open linked data is
> even research subject. So my question is: will Linda be focusing on such
> data governance aspects too (it looks like LMF covers that aspect at least
> a bit in a wiki article)?


To some extent yes. At the very least we will provide documentation how to 
transform legacy data into linked data. One tool we are currently using is a 
modified version of Google Refine (see the screencast on the current LMF 
homepage). But we will not cover such scenarios in-depth, I would see this out 
of the scope of the project, and there are others doing this already, e.g. 
D3RQ, Pubby, etc.

Linked Data needs not necessarily also be Open Data, the same technology can 
also be used inside enterprises for information integration. In enterprises, 
the platform will have to fulfill many more requirements, especially regarding 
access control.

Greetings,

Sebastian
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Linda

[Sergio Fernández]

Hi,

On 19/11/12 06:53, dsh wrote:

A few comments in regards to the proposal draft and "linked data"
specifically:


extremely welcome ;-)


* maybe consider calling out that you are striving towards implementing the
Linked Data Platform 1.0 W3C draft (at least that's how I understand the
proposal)


In fact in LMF we freely implemented our interpretation of Read-Write 
Linked Data, which now fits pretty with upcoming LDP draft. Since this 
is one of the main focus of the proposal, I'd try to state more clearly 
such circumstance in the text.



* will Linda (or whatever name you'll choose) cover data governance aspects
too. right now to me it looks like the assumption is that data is already
"normalized" where enterprise data usually isn't in real life. That's why
you have ETL processes and data governance models. That actually
contradicts one of Berners-Lee statements in the Ted talk. I wouldn't
assume that enterprises won't open their data because they want to keep it
secret I would rather assume that there's a huge leap step towards
transforming legacy data into usable (whatever that means in practice)
linked data. Maybe how to transform legacy data into open linked data is
even research subject. So my question is: will Linda be focusing on such
data governance aspects too (it looks like LMF covers that aspect at least
a bit in a wiki article)?



The article you are referencing it's this, I guess:

https://code.google.com/p/lmf/wiki/GuidePublishingLinkedData

Although we don't explicitly cite it, the concept is always present in 
our idea of Enterprise Linked Data. In fact, due our industrial 
experience such data lifting is not so easy in many real scenarios as 
it's in theory. Discuss that at the proposal is define telly a good idea.


Thanks so much!

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Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Linda

[Sergio Fernández]

As far as I know, Lyo is internally discussing and planning to implement 
the Linked Data Platform somehow:


http://www.w3.org/wiki/LDP_Implementations

But I don't have more details, sorry.

Best,

On 16/11/12 19:26, dsh wrote:

Hi,

out of curiosity - how does this relate to or maybe even complement Eclipse
Lyo [1]? For instance is Lyo one of the Enterprise Linked Data scenarios
which you have been mentioning above?

[1] http://www.eclipse.org/lyo/

Cheers
Daniel


On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Sebastian Schaffert<
sebastian.schaff...@salzburgresearch.at>  wrote:


Dear all,

we would like to propose a new project called Apache Linda as a Linked
Data Platform implementation to the incubator. Andy Seaborne was so kind as
to volunteer as a champion for the project. The proposal is available at

http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/LindaProposal

The goal of Apache Linda is to provide an open implementation of a Linked
Data Platform that can be used, extended, and deployed easily by
organizations who want to publish Linked Data or build custom applications
on Linked Data. Linda will follow the core recommendations of the W3C on
RDF, SPARQL and Linked Data publishing, particularly the emerging Linked
Data Platform (LDP) recommendation. It will also offer extensions for
frequently needed additional functionalities like Linked Data Querying,
WebID, WebACL, Reasoning, and Versioning. Linda aims to cover both, Linked
Open Data, as well as Enterprise Linked Data scenarios, providing
facilities to deal with different data sources and requirements (small
data/big data, open access/restricted access, etc).

We are looking forward to your feedback and suggestions on how to improve
the proposal and idea!


Sergio, Thomas, Jakob and Sebastian



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Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Linda

[dsh]

Hi,

out of curiosity - how does this relate to or maybe even complement Eclipse
Lyo [1]? For instance is Lyo one of the Enterprise Linked Data scenarios
which you have been mentioning above?

[1] http://www.eclipse.org/lyo/

Cheers
Daniel


On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Sebastian Schaffert <
sebastian.schaff...@salzburgresearch.at> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> we would like to propose a new project called Apache Linda as a Linked
> Data Platform implementation to the incubator. Andy Seaborne was so kind as
> to volunteer as a champion for the project. The proposal is available at
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/LindaProposal
>
> The goal of Apache Linda is to provide an open implementation of a Linked
> Data Platform that can be used, extended, and deployed easily by
> organizations who want to publish Linked Data or build custom applications
> on Linked Data. Linda will follow the core recommendations of the W3C on
> RDF, SPARQL and Linked Data publishing, particularly the emerging Linked
> Data Platform (LDP) recommendation. It will also offer extensions for
> frequently needed additional functionalities like Linked Data Querying,
> WebID, WebACL, Reasoning, and Versioning. Linda aims to cover both, Linked
> Open Data, as well as Enterprise Linked Data scenarios, providing
> facilities to deal with different data sources and requirements (small
> data/big data, open access/restricted access, etc).
>
> We are looking forward to your feedback and suggestions on how to improve
> the proposal and idea!
>
>
> Sergio, Thomas, Jakob and Sebastian
>
>
>
> --
> | Dr. Sebastian Schaffert  sebastian.schaff...@salzburgresearch.at
> | Salzburg Research Forschungsgesellschaft  http://www.salzburgresearch.at
> | Head of Knowledge and Media Technologies Group  +43 662 2288 423
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>

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Linda

[dsh]

Heh yeah I as well had the tuplespace implementation associated with Linda
as I read Apache Linda :) Where Linda itself might have become historic,
the concept still is in use. E.g. [1].

[1]
http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1739850&CFID=202524342&CFTOKEN=19022440

Cheers
Daniel


On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 7:30 PM, Roy T. Fielding  wrote:

> I suggest choosing a different name.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_%28coordination_language%29
>
> We generally don't use names that have been (and continue to be)
> used extensively by other software projects.
>
> Roy
>
> On Nov 16, 2012, at 9:14 AM, Sebastian Schaffert wrote:
>
> > Dear all,
> >
> > we would like to propose a new project called Apache Linda as a Linked
> Data Platform implementation to the incubator. Andy Seaborne was so kind as
> to volunteer as a champion for the project. The proposal is available at
> >
> > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/LindaProposal
> >
> > The goal of Apache Linda is to provide an open implementation of a
> Linked Data Platform that can be used, extended, and deployed easily by
> organizations who want to publish Linked Data or build custom applications
> on Linked Data. Linda will follow the core recommendations of the W3C on
> RDF, SPARQL and Linked Data publishing, particularly the emerging Linked
> Data Platform (LDP) recommendation. It will also offer extensions for
> frequently needed additional functionalities like Linked Data Querying,
> WebID, WebACL, Reasoning, and Versioning. Linda aims to cover both, Linked
> Open Data, as well as Enterprise Linked Data scenarios, providing
> facilities to deal with different data sources and requirements (small
> data/big data, open access/restricted access, etc).
> >
> > We are looking forward to your feedback and suggestions on how to
> improve the proposal and idea!
> >
> >
> > Sergio, Thomas, Jakob and Sebastian
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > | Dr. Sebastian Schaffert
> sebastian.schaff...@salzburgresearch.at
> > | Salzburg Research Forschungsgesellschaft
> http://www.salzburgresearch.at
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> 423
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Linda

[Paolo Castagna]

On 19/11/12 01:01, Benson Margulies wrote:

Ted,

I did read the whole thing, and I'd like to join you in drawing a
curtain in front of the man.

The proposers of this project didn't create the problem of the term
'linked data', and they can't fix it. As you suggest, all they can do
is pick a TLP name that is neutral to positive in relation to it.
Since they've already signed up for finding some other girl, boy, or
dinosaur to take to the dance here,  I think we can leave the question
of the badness of the phrase 'linked data' behind.


A small improvement to the proposal would be to add a definition to 
'linked data', so that others can read the rest of the proposal knowing 
what 'linked data' means in that context.


The proposal should also refers the reader to:

 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linked_data
 - http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/LinkedData
 - http://www.w3.org/wiki/LinkedData
 - http://linkeddata.org/

As you said, nothing can be done in relation to 'linked data'.

Paolo



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Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Linda

[dsh]

A few comments in regards to the proposal draft and "linked data"
specifically:

* maybe consider calling out that you are striving towards implementing the
Linked Data Platform 1.0 W3C draft (at least that's how I understand the
proposal)
* will Linda (or whatever name you'll choose) cover data governance aspects
too. right now to me it looks like the assumption is that data is already
"normalized" where enterprise data usually isn't in real life. That's why
you have ETL processes and data governance models. That actually
contradicts one of Berners-Lee statements in the Ted talk. I wouldn't
assume that enterprises won't open their data because they want to keep it
secret I would rather assume that there's a huge leap step towards
transforming legacy data into usable (whatever that means in practice)
linked data. Maybe how to transform legacy data into open linked data is
even research subject. So my question is: will Linda be focusing on such
data governance aspects too (it looks like LMF covers that aspect at least
a bit in a wiki article)?

Cheers
Daniel


On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:01 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:

> Ted,
>
> I did read the whole thing, and I'd like to join you in drawing a
> curtain in front of the man.
>
> The proposers of this project didn't create the problem of the term
> 'linked data', and they can't fix it. As you suggest, all they can do
> is pick a TLP name that is neutral to positive in relation to it.
> Since they've already signed up for finding some other girl, boy, or
> dinosaur to take to the dance here,  I think we can leave the question
> of the badness of the phrase 'linked data' behind.
>
> --benson
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Linda

[Bertrand Delacretaz]

On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 7:30 PM, Roy T. Fielding  wrote:
> I suggest choosing a different name

Selinda comes to mind - as in "semantic Linda", and Google doesn't
know it about software.

-Bertrand

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Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Linda

[Sebastian Schaffert]

Hi Ted,

I read all your mail ( :-) ) and I am sorry that this evolved into such a 
discussion. For me, "Linked Data" is as specific as "Web", "Stack" or "Heap", 
and I would claim it is like this for at least the rest of the Web community 
and possibly the database community as well. But regardless what we think about 
it, fact is the label has been established and the time to criticise it would 
have been 7 years ago. With other people, I'd like to say.

I can fully understand your position though: coming from a logics background in 
CS, I had similar concerns with the name "Semantic Web", because nothing is 
really "Semantic" about it. From a logics point of view, it is all about 
symbols, the semantics would require an interpretation. I realised that 
opposing the term doesn't really help, though, since the world around me still 
continued using it. ;-)

So, let's go forward with the constructive part of the discussion. We will sit 
together in about 1 hour and I am sure we come up with a solution (one way or 
the other - if it remains "Linda" we will have good arguments for it). And 
thanks again for rising the legal issue - something we will take into the 
discussion.

Greetings,

Sebastian


Am 18.11.2012 um 21:55 schrieb Ted Dunning:

> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 1:45 AM, Paolo Castagna 
> wrote:
> 
>> 
> 
> On 17/11/12 22:49, Ted Dunning wrote:
>> 
>>> Frankly, the phrase "linked data" is also so generic as to be essentially
>>> meaningless outside your community.  There are many, many uses of this
>>> phrase in computer science that mean something completely different from
>>> what you guys seem to mean.
>>> 
>> 
>> Where else is the phrase "linked data" used with a different meaning?
>> 
> 
> The problem is that the phrase is generic and can arise in general speech.
> 
> Links and pointers are ubiquitous in computer parlance.  Nothing in the
> phrase "linked data" constrains the meaning to *that* kind of link for
> *that* kind of data other than the usage in a relatively small community.
> 
> 
> What 'those guys' seem to mean is well described in the Linked Data
>> Wikipedia page: 
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Linked_data
>> 
>> Please, notice there isn't a disambiguation page. :-)
>> 
> 
> That is because the phrase is only used as a proper noun for one thing.
> But it is used commonly as a descriptive phrase.
> 
> The comparable phrase "red flowers" doesn't need a disambiguation link in
> wikipedia either because the meaning is apparent as a compositional
> construct.
> 
> 
>> The above wiki page seems pretty short and clear to me.
>> 
> 
> But the phrase itself is so vanilla that searching on the web to find the
> meaning (to a native speaker, anyway) seems kind of pointless.
> 
> My question was not "what does linked data mean?" because it seemed like I
> could come up with ten meanings for the term.  The question was "which of
> the many possible meanings are these people talking about?".  Note that a
> web search wouldn't answer that question because the existence of a common
> usage does not imply that any given community is following that common
> usage pattern.
> 
> Is there anything  in your opinion which isn't clear and should be better
>> explained?
>> 
> 
> I think that you are missing the point.
> 
> The problem is that the phrase itself doesn't have any signal that there is
> any nominative usage going on.  If I were speaking German and used the
> English phrase, there would be a very strong signal, but we aren't doing
> that.
> 
> As such, I think that most mentions of "linked data" should include some
> such signal.  In a proposal aimed at people outside your community, in
> particular, you need something along the lines "the phrase linked data is
> used here idiosyncratically to refer to ...".  If you assume that the
> reader knows what kind of link you mean between what kind of data, then the
> documents you produce will tend to be impenetrable.  Assumptions like this
> are common within insular communities and commonly lead to
> misunderstandings like this.
> 
> The phrase "linked data" is composed by two words and the common definition
>> of 'linked' (in particular if referred to the Web) and 'data' applies here
>> unchanged. If you think at the Web as is big 'library' of linked
>> 'documents', can we do the same also for data, instead of documents? How?
>> This is what 'linked data' is all about and what it is trying to achieve: a
>> Web of data.
>> 
> 
> I get it now.  My point was that your proposal didn't convey this.
> 
> And I would contend that the common definitions of linked and data when
> combined do not unambiguously come up with Linked Data(tm) as you tend to
> use the phrase.  With the proper predisposition, it might, but your
> predisposition is not shared universally.  I cite myself as the existence
> proof of at least one experienced and active computer scientist who had no
> clue what you were going on about.

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Linda

[Sergio Fernández]

Hi,

On 18/11/12 21:55, Ted Dunning wrote:

That is because the phrase is only used as a proper noun for one thing.
But it is used commonly as a descriptive phrase.


I agree about the technical terms, but in this case it's a name.

Even Google is not confused: http://www.google.com/search?q=linked+data

BTW, the same could apply to "Big Data"... but let's try to focus the 
discussion, please.



As such, I think that most mentions of "linked data" should include some
such signal.  In a proposal aimed at people outside your community, in
particular, you need something along the lines "the phrase linked data is
used here idiosyncratically to refer to ...".  If you assume that the
reader knows what kind of link you mean between what kind of data, then the
documents you produce will tend to be impenetrable.  Assumptions like this
are common within insular communities and commonly lead to
misunderstandings like this.


Anyway I found this suggestion pretty interesting. So I'll try to 
improve the abstract of the proposal including something in that 
direction. Thanks.


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Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Linda

[Sergio Fernández]

On 18/11/12 02:04, dsh wrote:

Btw, the important part missing up to now in this discussion is the OPEN in
Linked OPEN Data. If I get it right without openness the whole idea will be
crippled to a certain extend.


No, the proposal text addresses not only linked open data scenarios, but 
much more to the corporate ones. The user will decide where to apply it 
depending on his scenario and needs.


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Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Linda

[Benson Margulies]

Ted,

I did read the whole thing, and I'd like to join you in drawing a
curtain in front of the man.

The proposers of this project didn't create the problem of the term
'linked data', and they can't fix it. As you suggest, all they can do
is pick a TLP name that is neutral to positive in relation to it.
Since they've already signed up for finding some other girl, boy, or
dinosaur to take to the dance here,  I think we can leave the question
of the badness of the phrase 'linked data' behind.

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Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Linda

[Ted Dunning]

How about following the tradition established by the contraction of web log
into blog?

That would give "web linked data" => Blinda

It is still a female name if you need the gender stereotyping of Linda.  It
seems to have non-English meanings, but certainly has no connotations in
English.  It also seems to have no prior technical usage.

Phonetically, it suggests the Wizard of Oz which can't hurt a software
project.

(ripped from the end of a very long response that nobody much is going to
read)

On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:

> Then call it LODen.
>
> On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 8:04 PM, dsh  wrote:
> > Btw, the important part missing up to now in this discussion is the OPEN
> in
> > Linked OPEN Data. If I get it right without openness the whole idea will
> be
> > crippled to a certain extend.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Daniel
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 1:12 AM, Sebastian Schaffert <
> > sebastian.schaff...@salzburgresearch.at> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Ted,
> >>
> >> even though I agree that the term "Linked Data" is very generic, this is
> >> out of my influence, and it describes quite well what the topic is
> about.
> >> The term "Linked Data" has actually been proposed by Tim Berners-Lee:
> >>
> >> http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/LinkedData.html
> >>
> >> and is used in the various standardisation efforts (like the W3C "Linked
> >> Data Platform" recommendation mentioned in the proposal). There is also
> a
> >> nice presentation from 2009 at TED:
> >>
> >> http://www.ted.com/talks/tim_berners_lee_on_the_next_web.html
> >>
> >> Linked Data is also already used by major enterprises like:
> >> - BBC: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/UseCases/BBC/
> >> - Volkswagen:
> >>
> http://semanticweb.com/volkswagen-das-auto-company-is-das-semantic-web-company_b23233
> >> - German National Library:
> >>
> http://www.dnb.de/EN/Service/DigitaleDienste/LinkedData/linkeddata_node.html
> >>
> >> So my fear that 'nobody is likely to understand the phrase "Linked
> Data"'
> >> is very low for the future. If there have been other uses of the phrase
> in
> >> Computer Science before they are now marginalized (if you can trust a
> >> Google search for "Linked Data").
> >>
> >> That said, we take your concern serious (especially the legal issue) and
> >> will discuss the issue on Monday. I am also grateful for the proposals
> that
> >> have already been done on the list.
> >>
> >> Greetings,
> >>
> >> Sebastian
> >>
> >>
> >> Am 17.11.2012 um 23:49 schrieb Ted Dunning:
> >>
> >> > Frankly, the phrase "linked data" is also so generic as to be
> essentially
> >> > meaningless outside your community.  There are many, many uses of this
> >> > phrase in computer science that mean something completely different
> from
> >> > what you guys seem to mean.
> >> >
> >> > It took me quite a bit of reading to figure out what you were talking
> >> > about.  At the very least, you need to look at your supporting
> materials
> >> > with a naive eye so that you can avoid the confusion that your name
> and
> >> > terminology are likely to cause.
> >> >
> >> > Having a project name that memorializes a phrase that nobody is
> likely to
> >> > understand without (lots of) supporting material and which is used by
> >> other
> >> > projects in roughly the same domain is problematic.
> >> >
> >> > My feeling is that I would be -0 on the name meaning that I think
> that it
> >> > isn't good, but I wouldn't stand in the way by vetoing it.  You guys
> seem
> >> > pretty attached to your terminology regardless of the merits and it
> >> doesn't
> >> > seem a big enough issue to be worth causing friction over it.
> >> >
> >> > You should be aware, however, that with these defects, it seems very
> >> > unlikely to me that Apache would be able to help with trademark and
> name
> >> > conflict issues.  That may not seem like a big deal now, but if your
> >> > project really does get going and then somebody tries to take over
> your
> >> > community with a nearly identically named product, it will definitely
> >> feel
> >> > like a big deal.  Take a look at what happens with Open Office all the
> >> time.
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Sebastian Schaffert <
> >> > sebastian.schaff...@salzburgresearch.at> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I agree that "Linda" is a very generic name and as such there are
> >> already
> >> >> several projects out there with this name. On the other hand, we
> chose
> >> >> "Linda" as an acronym for "Linked Data" in order to increase
> >> >> recognizability especially in the domain we are targeting. For our
> >> >> community, we think it would be quite easy to identify "Apache Linda"
> >> with
> >> >> the Linked Data Platform and not with a blackboard system or a
> >> methodology
> >> >> for parallel execution. A more artificial name would probably have a
> >> harder
> >> >> time establishing a brand (but of course the project is good enough
> to
> >> >> manage ;-) ).
> >> >>
> >> >> In case the Incuba

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Linda

[Ted Dunning]

On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 1:45 AM, Paolo Castagna wrote:

> 

On 17/11/12 22:49, Ted Dunning wrote:
>
>> Frankly, the phrase "linked data" is also so generic as to be essentially
>> meaningless outside your community.  There are many, many uses of this
>> phrase in computer science that mean something completely different from
>> what you guys seem to mean.
>>
>
> Where else is the phrase "linked data" used with a different meaning?
>

The problem is that the phrase is generic and can arise in general speech.

Links and pointers are ubiquitous in computer parlance.  Nothing in the
phrase "linked data" constrains the meaning to *that* kind of link for
*that* kind of data other than the usage in a relatively small community.


What 'those guys' seem to mean is well described in the Linked Data
> Wikipedia page: 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Linked_data
>
> Please, notice there isn't a disambiguation page. :-)
>

That is because the phrase is only used as a proper noun for one thing.
 But it is used commonly as a descriptive phrase.

The comparable phrase "red flowers" doesn't need a disambiguation link in
wikipedia either because the meaning is apparent as a compositional
construct.


> The above wiki page seems pretty short and clear to me.
>

But the phrase itself is so vanilla that searching on the web to find the
meaning (to a native speaker, anyway) seems kind of pointless.

My question was not "what does linked data mean?" because it seemed like I
could come up with ten meanings for the term.  The question was "which of
the many possible meanings are these people talking about?".  Note that a
web search wouldn't answer that question because the existence of a common
usage does not imply that any given community is following that common
usage pattern.

Is there anything  in your opinion which isn't clear and should be better
> explained?
>

I think that you are missing the point.

The problem is that the phrase itself doesn't have any signal that there is
any nominative usage going on.  If I were speaking German and used the
English phrase, there would be a very strong signal, but we aren't doing
that.

As such, I think that most mentions of "linked data" should include some
such signal.  In a proposal aimed at people outside your community, in
particular, you need something along the lines "the phrase linked data is
used here idiosyncratically to refer to ...".  If you assume that the
reader knows what kind of link you mean between what kind of data, then the
documents you produce will tend to be impenetrable.  Assumptions like this
are common within insular communities and commonly lead to
misunderstandings like this.

The phrase "linked data" is composed by two words and the common definition
> of 'linked' (in particular if referred to the Web) and 'data' applies here
> unchanged. If you think at the Web as is big 'library' of linked
> 'documents', can we do the same also for data, instead of documents? How?
> This is what 'linked data' is all about and what it is trying to achieve: a
> Web of data.
>

I get it now.  My point was that your proposal didn't convey this.

And I would contend that the common definitions of linked and data when
combined do not unambiguously come up with Linked Data(tm) as you tend to
use the phrase.  With the proper predisposition, it might, but your
predisposition is not shared universally.  I cite myself as the existence
proof of at least one experienced and active computer scientist who had no
clue what you were going on about.

Having a project name that memorializes a phrase that nobody is likely to
>> understand without (lots of) supporting material and which is used by
>> other
>> projects in roughly the same domain is problematic.
>>
>
> I disagree.
>

Well, you can't disagree that I was confused by your proposal.  I don't
think that you can disagree that a big part of the cause of the confusion
was the use of the generic phrase "linked data" in a highly specific way.

Take other terms that have succeeded easily:

hyperlink

web log => blog

web page

atomic clock

Each of these is essentially a phrase, but one that did not have a prior
common usage.


> The 4 principles are very clear and simple:
>
>  1. Use URIs as names for things
>  2. Use HTTP URIs so that people can look up those names.
>  3. When someone looks up a URI, provide useful information, using the
> standards (RDF*, SPARQL)
>  4. Include links to other URIs. so that they can discover more things.
>
> We could debate indefinitely on the "using the standards ..." part, but
> should we do it here?
>

No.  You can define things any way you like.  That isn't the point.


> What's isn't clear to you from the four principles above?
>

The clarity of the four principles isn't the point.  The clarity of the
phrase "linked data" without somewhat unusual foreknowledge and without the
definition is the point.  A phrase that has to have its defini

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Linda

[Benson Margulies]

Then call it LODen.

On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 8:04 PM, dsh  wrote:
> Btw, the important part missing up to now in this discussion is the OPEN in
> Linked OPEN Data. If I get it right without openness the whole idea will be
> crippled to a certain extend.
>
> Cheers
> Daniel
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 1:12 AM, Sebastian Schaffert <
> sebastian.schaff...@salzburgresearch.at> wrote:
>
>> Dear Ted,
>>
>> even though I agree that the term "Linked Data" is very generic, this is
>> out of my influence, and it describes quite well what the topic is about.
>> The term "Linked Data" has actually been proposed by Tim Berners-Lee:
>>
>> http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/LinkedData.html
>>
>> and is used in the various standardisation efforts (like the W3C "Linked
>> Data Platform" recommendation mentioned in the proposal). There is also a
>> nice presentation from 2009 at TED:
>>
>> http://www.ted.com/talks/tim_berners_lee_on_the_next_web.html
>>
>> Linked Data is also already used by major enterprises like:
>> - BBC: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/UseCases/BBC/
>> - Volkswagen:
>> http://semanticweb.com/volkswagen-das-auto-company-is-das-semantic-web-company_b23233
>> - German National Library:
>> http://www.dnb.de/EN/Service/DigitaleDienste/LinkedData/linkeddata_node.html
>>
>> So my fear that 'nobody is likely to understand the phrase "Linked Data"'
>> is very low for the future. If there have been other uses of the phrase in
>> Computer Science before they are now marginalized (if you can trust a
>> Google search for "Linked Data").
>>
>> That said, we take your concern serious (especially the legal issue) and
>> will discuss the issue on Monday. I am also grateful for the proposals that
>> have already been done on the list.
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> Sebastian
>>
>>
>> Am 17.11.2012 um 23:49 schrieb Ted Dunning:
>>
>> > Frankly, the phrase "linked data" is also so generic as to be essentially
>> > meaningless outside your community.  There are many, many uses of this
>> > phrase in computer science that mean something completely different from
>> > what you guys seem to mean.
>> >
>> > It took me quite a bit of reading to figure out what you were talking
>> > about.  At the very least, you need to look at your supporting materials
>> > with a naive eye so that you can avoid the confusion that your name and
>> > terminology are likely to cause.
>> >
>> > Having a project name that memorializes a phrase that nobody is likely to
>> > understand without (lots of) supporting material and which is used by
>> other
>> > projects in roughly the same domain is problematic.
>> >
>> > My feeling is that I would be -0 on the name meaning that I think that it
>> > isn't good, but I wouldn't stand in the way by vetoing it.  You guys seem
>> > pretty attached to your terminology regardless of the merits and it
>> doesn't
>> > seem a big enough issue to be worth causing friction over it.
>> >
>> > You should be aware, however, that with these defects, it seems very
>> > unlikely to me that Apache would be able to help with trademark and name
>> > conflict issues.  That may not seem like a big deal now, but if your
>> > project really does get going and then somebody tries to take over your
>> > community with a nearly identically named product, it will definitely
>> feel
>> > like a big deal.  Take a look at what happens with Open Office all the
>> time.
>> >
>> > On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Sebastian Schaffert <
>> > sebastian.schaff...@salzburgresearch.at> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I agree that "Linda" is a very generic name and as such there are
>> already
>> >> several projects out there with this name. On the other hand, we chose
>> >> "Linda" as an acronym for "Linked Data" in order to increase
>> >> recognizability especially in the domain we are targeting. For our
>> >> community, we think it would be quite easy to identify "Apache Linda"
>> with
>> >> the Linked Data Platform and not with a blackboard system or a
>> methodology
>> >> for parallel execution. A more artificial name would probably have a
>> harder
>> >> time establishing a brand (but of course the project is good enough to
>> >> manage ;-) ).
>> >>
>> >> In case the Incubator PMC still recommends to rename the project, I
>> agree
>> >> we should do it BEFORE starting up the project. We will discuss options
>> for
>> >> renaming on Monday (European Time) and come up with suggestions.
>> >>
>>
>> Sebastian
>> --
>> | Dr. Sebastian Schaffert  sebastian.schaff...@salzburgresearch.at
>> | Salzburg Research Forschungsgesellschaft  http://www.salzburgresearch.at
>> | Head of Knowledge and Media Technologies Group  +43 662 2288 423
>> | Jakob-Haringer Strasse 5/II
>> | A-5020 Salzburg
>>
>>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Linda

[dsh]

Btw, the important part missing up to now in this discussion is the OPEN in
Linked OPEN Data. If I get it right without openness the whole idea will be
crippled to a certain extend.

Cheers
Daniel


On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 1:12 AM, Sebastian Schaffert <
sebastian.schaff...@salzburgresearch.at> wrote:

> Dear Ted,
>
> even though I agree that the term "Linked Data" is very generic, this is
> out of my influence, and it describes quite well what the topic is about.
> The term "Linked Data" has actually been proposed by Tim Berners-Lee:
>
> http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/LinkedData.html
>
> and is used in the various standardisation efforts (like the W3C "Linked
> Data Platform" recommendation mentioned in the proposal). There is also a
> nice presentation from 2009 at TED:
>
> http://www.ted.com/talks/tim_berners_lee_on_the_next_web.html
>
> Linked Data is also already used by major enterprises like:
> - BBC: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/UseCases/BBC/
> - Volkswagen:
> http://semanticweb.com/volkswagen-das-auto-company-is-das-semantic-web-company_b23233
> - German National Library:
> http://www.dnb.de/EN/Service/DigitaleDienste/LinkedData/linkeddata_node.html
>
> So my fear that 'nobody is likely to understand the phrase "Linked Data"'
> is very low for the future. If there have been other uses of the phrase in
> Computer Science before they are now marginalized (if you can trust a
> Google search for "Linked Data").
>
> That said, we take your concern serious (especially the legal issue) and
> will discuss the issue on Monday. I am also grateful for the proposals that
> have already been done on the list.
>
> Greetings,
>
> Sebastian
>
>
> Am 17.11.2012 um 23:49 schrieb Ted Dunning:
>
> > Frankly, the phrase "linked data" is also so generic as to be essentially
> > meaningless outside your community.  There are many, many uses of this
> > phrase in computer science that mean something completely different from
> > what you guys seem to mean.
> >
> > It took me quite a bit of reading to figure out what you were talking
> > about.  At the very least, you need to look at your supporting materials
> > with a naive eye so that you can avoid the confusion that your name and
> > terminology are likely to cause.
> >
> > Having a project name that memorializes a phrase that nobody is likely to
> > understand without (lots of) supporting material and which is used by
> other
> > projects in roughly the same domain is problematic.
> >
> > My feeling is that I would be -0 on the name meaning that I think that it
> > isn't good, but I wouldn't stand in the way by vetoing it.  You guys seem
> > pretty attached to your terminology regardless of the merits and it
> doesn't
> > seem a big enough issue to be worth causing friction over it.
> >
> > You should be aware, however, that with these defects, it seems very
> > unlikely to me that Apache would be able to help with trademark and name
> > conflict issues.  That may not seem like a big deal now, but if your
> > project really does get going and then somebody tries to take over your
> > community with a nearly identically named product, it will definitely
> feel
> > like a big deal.  Take a look at what happens with Open Office all the
> time.
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Sebastian Schaffert <
> > sebastian.schaff...@salzburgresearch.at> wrote:
> >
> >> I agree that "Linda" is a very generic name and as such there are
> already
> >> several projects out there with this name. On the other hand, we chose
> >> "Linda" as an acronym for "Linked Data" in order to increase
> >> recognizability especially in the domain we are targeting. For our
> >> community, we think it would be quite easy to identify "Apache Linda"
> with
> >> the Linked Data Platform and not with a blackboard system or a
> methodology
> >> for parallel execution. A more artificial name would probably have a
> harder
> >> time establishing a brand (but of course the project is good enough to
> >> manage ;-) ).
> >>
> >> In case the Incubator PMC still recommends to rename the project, I
> agree
> >> we should do it BEFORE starting up the project. We will discuss options
> for
> >> renaming on Monday (European Time) and come up with suggestions.
> >>
>
> Sebastian
> --
> | Dr. Sebastian Schaffert  sebastian.schaff...@salzburgresearch.at
> | Salzburg Research Forschungsgesellschaft  http://www.salzburgresearch.at
> | Head of Knowledge and Media Technologies Group  +43 662 2288 423
> | Jakob-Haringer Strasse 5/II
> | A-5020 Salzburg
>
>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Linda

[Paolo Castagna]

Hi Ted,
in addition to the comments and links from Sebastian, I want to add 
something myself.


On 17/11/12 22:49, Ted Dunning wrote:

Frankly, the phrase "linked data" is also so generic as to be essentially
meaningless outside your community.  There are many, many uses of this
phrase in computer science that mean something completely different from
what you guys seem to mean.


Where else is the phrase "linked data" used with a different meaning?

What 'those guys' seem to mean is well described in the Linked Data 
Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linked_data


Please, notice there isn't a disambiguation page. :-)

The Wikipedia page in itself is not a primary source of information, 
however it refers and link to the primary sources regarding 'linked data'.



It took me quite a bit of reading to figure out what you were talking
about.  At the very least, you need to look at your supporting materials
with a naive eye so that you can avoid the confusion that your name and
terminology are likely to cause.


The above wiki page seems pretty short and clear to me.

Is there anything  in your opinion which isn't clear and should be 
better explained?


The phrase "linked data" is composed by two words and the common 
definition of 'linked' (in particular if referred to the Web) and 'data' 
applies here unchanged. If you think at the Web as is big 'library' of 
linked 'documents', can we do the same also for data, instead of 
documents? How? This is what 'linked data' is all about and what it is 
trying to achieve: a Web of data.


Now, we could discuss (elsewhere) on what's the best way to achieve 
that, but here is out of scope.



Having a project name that memorializes a phrase that nobody is likely to
understand without (lots of) supporting material and which is used by other
projects in roughly the same domain is problematic.


I disagree.

The 4 principles are very clear and simple:

 1. Use URIs as names for things
 2. Use HTTP URIs so that people can look up those names.
 3. When someone looks up a URI, provide useful information, using the 
standards (RDF*, SPARQL)

 4. Include links to other URIs. so that they can discover more things.

We could debate indefinitely on the "using the standards ..." part, but 
should we do it here?


What's isn't clear to you from the four principles above?

You already know what a URI, HTTP URIs, links are. Isn't it? :-)
Now, I could have sympathy with you if you point your finger at RDF and 
SPARQL, but, once again, the Wikipedia pages of these two W3C 
Recommendations are quite short and clear... and if you want you can 
always refer to the W3C Recommendations (those are your primary sources 
of information in this case).


... and if you still need more info or want to put those things into 
practice, come on the jena-user mailing list and we will help you out. :-)



My feeling is that I would be -0 on the name meaning that I think that it
isn't good, but I wouldn't stand in the way by vetoing it.  You guys seem
pretty attached to your terminology regardless of the merits and it doesn't
seem a big enough issue to be worth causing friction over it.


I conclude with pointing to a poing of the Apache philosophy which says: 
"faithful implementation of standards":

http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#philosophy

IMHO two of the places to look for these 'standards' in relation to the 
Web are IETF (http://www.ietf.org/) (which, by the way, do not produce 
standards but RFC) and the W3C (http://www.w3.org/) (which, by the way, 
do not produce standards but Recommendations). Both, although not 
perfect, have great and open as well as transparent processes and I am 
grateful they exists (as they have been and are fundamental to Internet 
and the Web and their evolution).


The Apache Software Foundation often provides reference implementations 
to these RFCs and Recommendations and I am grateful to ASF to put those 
into practice and in the hands of thousands of developers (including me 
;-)).


I disagree with you also on your "regardless of the merits", but I am 
unsure if this is is scope of this thread, if it is. I am happy to 
discuss further if you are interested.



You should be aware, however, that with these defects, it seems very
unlikely to me that Apache would be able to help with trademark and name
conflict issues.  That may not seem like a big deal now, but if your
project really does get going and then somebody tries to take over your
community with a nearly identically named product, it will definitely feel
like a big deal.  Take a look at what happens with Open Office all the time.


Regarding the name, I have no better suggestion than dropping the 'n'?
Linda --> Lida (but I have not done much research to see if that has 
problems or not).


Paolo



On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Sebastian Schaffert <
sebastian.schaff...@salzburgresearch.at> wrote:


I agree that "Linda" is a very generic name and as such there are alrea

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Linda

[Ted Dunning]

WebLinda is nice and specific and phonetically suggestive.

On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 1:50 AM, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya <
nandana@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have to say when I heard the name "Linda", I really liked it because it
> is short, catchy, easy to remember and goes well with Linked Data. But I
> totally agree that it is good to avoid any name conflict issues or
> trademark issues in this early stage where it is easily possible. I was
> thinking whether LindaWeb or WebLinda would be an alternative choice.
>
> Best Regards,
> Nandana
>
> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 4:14 AM, David Crossley 
> wrote:
>
> > Another possblility is "Adnil" being reversed linked data.
> > A nice twist.
> >
> > Anyway, up to the podling.
> >
> > There are some useful Incubator resources for quickly dealing
> > with the Name issue. Here are some:
> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#notes-names
> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html
> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/proposal.html#name
> >
> > There great advice in this thread that could be added
> > to docs.
> >
> > -David
> >
> > -
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
> >
>

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Linda

[dsh]

Btw, I think the Wikipedia reference in the Tuple Space article to the
blackboard metaphor is misleading cause it's already bound to AI expert
systems such as Hofstadter's copycat... if I have collected enough evidence
I'll change the article accordingly :)

Cheers
Daniel


On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 11:12 PM, Sebastian Schaffert <
sebastian.schaff...@salzburgresearch.at> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> first of all, thanks for the feedback so far...
>
> Am 17.11.2012 um 20:08 schrieb Andy Seaborne:
>
>
> > You're right changing the name can be done later but the name tends to
> get embedded both in the system (e.g. URLs, JIRA project) and more
> importantly in people knowing about the community.
> >
> > Renaming for the community is hard and risky - I would say it is easier
> to sort it out as part of project initialization if you believe the name
> change is likely.
> >
> > I did a quick search and found 2 "linda"s: Linda Spaces (the blackboard
> system that, I guess, is triggering the comments here) and TCP Linda, a
> parallel execution environment (which may well be related to the blackboard
> linda).
> >
> > TCP Linda ==>
> > http://www.gaussian.com/g_prod/linda.htm
> >
> > Linda spaces leads to JavaSpaces so is a known name in the Java world at
> least.  There is a SourceForge project linda (but looks dormant)
> >
> >   Andy
> >
> >
>
>
> I agree that "Linda" is a very generic name and as such there are already
> several projects out there with this name. On the other hand, we chose
> "Linda" as an acronym for "Linked Data" in order to increase
> recognizability especially in the domain we are targeting. For our
> community, we think it would be quite easy to identify "Apache Linda" with
> the Linked Data Platform and not with a blackboard system or a methodology
> for parallel execution. A more artificial name would probably have a harder
> time establishing a brand (but of course the project is good enough to
> manage ;-) ).
>
> In case the Incubator PMC still recommends to rename the project, I agree
> we should do it BEFORE starting up the project. We will discuss options for
> renaming on Monday (European Time) and come up with suggestions.
>
> Greetings,
>
>
> Sebastian
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Linda

[dsh]

tuplespaces are STILL well known and Linda is one or even its original
implementation where JavaSapces is another and later on grid computing
borrowed some ideas [1] from it etc pp. So I wouldn't make a statement as
such as Linda nowadays is "ancient" technology (to use a strong term).
Anyway we had similar discussions in the past in terms of keeping the name
or not and if my memory serves me right most times the conclusion of each
discussion was that it's probably better to drop the proposed name in the
first place in favor of a better one that causes less confusion and such.

There seems to be a connection to the semantic web too which is Triple
Space Computing [2].

PS: Have a look at this slidedeck to get a feeling about how commonly know
tuplespaces are:
http://www.slideshare.net/luccastera/concurrent-programming-with-ruby-and-tuple-spaces

[1]
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=4208870&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fxpls%2Fabs_all.jsp%3Farnumber%3D4208870
[2]
http://dip.semanticweb.org/documents/RoleofTripleSpaceinSemanticWebServices.pdf

Cheers
Daniel


On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 8:08 PM, Andy Seaborne  wrote:

> On 17/11/12 09:01, Sergio Fernández wrote:
>
>> Hi Roy,
>>
>> we were aware of the possible conflict/confusion with the name; but
>> since the Linda model is quite old, not really spread nowadays and
>> completely far away of the Linked Data topic, personally I can't see a
>> really big issue here. But of course the Incubator PMC has a deeper
>> knowledge of such a kind of decisions and its implications, so we'll do
>> out best to address it during this discussion.
>>
>> Anyway, we'd prefer to focus the discussion on the proposal itself.
>> After all, the name is something we can change. But the project is
>> something important to discuss.
>>
>> BTW, regarding that, in other to provide some more background about the
>> proposal, I'd also like to point you the slides we presented one week
>> ago at ApacheCon Europe: http://slidesha.re/VUQ7ia
>>
>> Thanks for all your feedback.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>> On 16.11.2012 19:30, Roy T. Fielding wrote:
>>
>>> I suggest choosing a different name.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Linda_%28coordination_**language%29
>>>
>>> We generally don't use names that have been (and continue to be)
>>> used extensively by other software projects.
>>>
>>> Roy
>>>
>>
> You're right changing the name can be done later but the name tends to get
> embedded both in the system (e.g. URLs, JIRA project) and more importantly
> in people knowing about the community.
>
> Renaming for the community is hard and risky - I would say it is easier to
> sort it out as part of project initialization if you believe the name
> change is likely.
>
> I did a quick search and found 2 "linda"s: Linda Spaces (the blackboard
> system that, I guess, is triggering the comments here) and TCP Linda, a
> parallel execution environment (which may well be related to the blackboard
> linda).
>
> TCP Linda ==>
> http://www.gaussian.com/g_**prod/linda.htm
>
> Linda spaces leads to JavaSpaces so is a known name in the Java world at
> least.  There is a SourceForge project linda (but looks dormant)
>
> Andy
>
>
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RE: [PROPOSAL] Apache Linda

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

I've been biting my tongue all of this time and I can't resist any longer.

The missing case is "Lovelace" (bad joke), 

although WebLace is about linking too.

There's no need to borrow a human nick.

 - Dennis

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From: Nandana Mihindukulasooriya [mailto:nandana@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 01:51
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Linda

I have to say when I heard the name "Linda", I really liked it because it
is short, catchy, easy to remember and goes well with Linked Data. But I
totally agree that it is good to avoid any name conflict issues or
trademark issues in this early stage where it is easily possible. I was
thinking whether LindaWeb or WebLinda would be an alternative choice.

Best Regards,
Nandana

On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 4:14 AM, David Crossley  wrote:

> Another possblility is "Adnil" being reversed linked data.
> A nice twist.
>
> Anyway, up to the podling.
>
> There are some useful Incubator resources for quickly dealing
> with the Name issue. Here are some:
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#notes-names
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/proposal.html#name
>
> There great advice in this thread that could be added
> to docs.
>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Linda

[Nandana Mihindukulasooriya]

I have to say when I heard the name "Linda", I really liked it because it
is short, catchy, easy to remember and goes well with Linked Data. But I
totally agree that it is good to avoid any name conflict issues or
trademark issues in this early stage where it is easily possible. I was
thinking whether LindaWeb or WebLinda would be an alternative choice.

Best Regards,
Nandana

On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 4:14 AM, David Crossley  wrote:

> Another possblility is "Adnil" being reversed linked data.
> A nice twist.
>
> Anyway, up to the podling.
>
> There are some useful Incubator resources for quickly dealing
> with the Name issue. Here are some:
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#notes-names
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/proposal.html#name
>
> There great advice in this thread that could be added
> to docs.
>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Linda

[David Crossley]

Another possblility is "Adnil" being reversed linked data.
A nice twist.

Anyway, up to the podling.

There are some useful Incubator resources for quickly dealing
with the Name issue. Here are some:
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#notes-names
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/proposal.html#name

There great advice in this thread that could be added
to docs.

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Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Linda

[Sebastian Schaffert]

Dear Ted,

even though I agree that the term "Linked Data" is very generic, this is out of 
my influence, and it describes quite well what the topic is about. The term 
"Linked Data" has actually been proposed by Tim Berners-Lee:

http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/LinkedData.html

and is used in the various standardisation efforts (like the W3C "Linked Data 
Platform" recommendation mentioned in the proposal). There is also a nice 
presentation from 2009 at TED:

http://www.ted.com/talks/tim_berners_lee_on_the_next_web.html

Linked Data is also already used by major enterprises like:
- BBC: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/UseCases/BBC/
- Volkswagen: 
http://semanticweb.com/volkswagen-das-auto-company-is-das-semantic-web-company_b23233
- German National Library: 
http://www.dnb.de/EN/Service/DigitaleDienste/LinkedData/linkeddata_node.html

So my fear that 'nobody is likely to understand the phrase "Linked Data"' is 
very low for the future. If there have been other uses of the phrase in 
Computer Science before they are now marginalized (if you can trust a Google 
search for "Linked Data").

That said, we take your concern serious (especially the legal issue) and will 
discuss the issue on Monday. I am also grateful for the proposals that have 
already been done on the list.

Greetings,

Sebastian


Am 17.11.2012 um 23:49 schrieb Ted Dunning:

> Frankly, the phrase "linked data" is also so generic as to be essentially
> meaningless outside your community.  There are many, many uses of this
> phrase in computer science that mean something completely different from
> what you guys seem to mean.
> 
> It took me quite a bit of reading to figure out what you were talking
> about.  At the very least, you need to look at your supporting materials
> with a naive eye so that you can avoid the confusion that your name and
> terminology are likely to cause.
> 
> Having a project name that memorializes a phrase that nobody is likely to
> understand without (lots of) supporting material and which is used by other
> projects in roughly the same domain is problematic.
> 
> My feeling is that I would be -0 on the name meaning that I think that it
> isn't good, but I wouldn't stand in the way by vetoing it.  You guys seem
> pretty attached to your terminology regardless of the merits and it doesn't
> seem a big enough issue to be worth causing friction over it.
> 
> You should be aware, however, that with these defects, it seems very
> unlikely to me that Apache would be able to help with trademark and name
> conflict issues.  That may not seem like a big deal now, but if your
> project really does get going and then somebody tries to take over your
> community with a nearly identically named product, it will definitely feel
> like a big deal.  Take a look at what happens with Open Office all the time.
> 
> On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Sebastian Schaffert <
> sebastian.schaff...@salzburgresearch.at> wrote:
> 
>> I agree that "Linda" is a very generic name and as such there are already
>> several projects out there with this name. On the other hand, we chose
>> "Linda" as an acronym for "Linked Data" in order to increase
>> recognizability especially in the domain we are targeting. For our
>> community, we think it would be quite easy to identify "Apache Linda" with
>> the Linked Data Platform and not with a blackboard system or a methodology
>> for parallel execution. A more artificial name would probably have a harder
>> time establishing a brand (but of course the project is good enough to
>> manage ;-) ).
>> 
>> In case the Incubator PMC still recommends to rename the project, I agree
>> we should do it BEFORE starting up the project. We will discuss options for
>> renaming on Monday (European Time) and come up with suggestions.
>> 

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Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Linda

[Ted Dunning]

Frankly, the phrase "linked data" is also so generic as to be essentially
meaningless outside your community.  There are many, many uses of this
phrase in computer science that mean something completely different from
what you guys seem to mean.

It took me quite a bit of reading to figure out what you were talking
about.  At the very least, you need to look at your supporting materials
with a naive eye so that you can avoid the confusion that your name and
terminology are likely to cause.

Having a project name that memorializes a phrase that nobody is likely to
understand without (lots of) supporting material and which is used by other
projects in roughly the same domain is problematic.

My feeling is that I would be -0 on the name meaning that I think that it
isn't good, but I wouldn't stand in the way by vetoing it.  You guys seem
pretty attached to your terminology regardless of the merits and it doesn't
seem a big enough issue to be worth causing friction over it.

You should be aware, however, that with these defects, it seems very
unlikely to me that Apache would be able to help with trademark and name
conflict issues.  That may not seem like a big deal now, but if your
project really does get going and then somebody tries to take over your
community with a nearly identically named product, it will definitely feel
like a big deal.  Take a look at what happens with Open Office all the time.

On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Sebastian Schaffert <
sebastian.schaff...@salzburgresearch.at> wrote:

> I agree that "Linda" is a very generic name and as such there are already
> several projects out there with this name. On the other hand, we chose
> "Linda" as an acronym for "Linked Data" in order to increase
> recognizability especially in the domain we are targeting. For our
> community, we think it would be quite easy to identify "Apache Linda" with
> the Linked Data Platform and not with a blackboard system or a methodology
> for parallel execution. A more artificial name would probably have a harder
> time establishing a brand (but of course the project is good enough to
> manage ;-) ).
>
> In case the Incubator PMC still recommends to rename the project, I agree
> we should do it BEFORE starting up the project. We will discuss options for
> renaming on Monday (European Time) and come up with suggestions.
>

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Linda

[Benson Margulies]

Or maLinda? There's Lindane, but that's something else. It might avoid bugs.

On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Ian Holsman  wrote:
> What about DaNil? Or DaLin?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 18/11/2012, at 9:12 AM, Sebastian Schaffert 
>  wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> first of all, thanks for the feedback so far...
>>
>> Am 17.11.2012 um 20:08 schrieb Andy Seaborne:
>>
>>
>>> You're right changing the name can be done later but the name tends to get 
>>> embedded both in the system (e.g. URLs, JIRA project) and more importantly 
>>> in people knowing about the community.
>>>
>>> Renaming for the community is hard and risky - I would say it is easier to 
>>> sort it out as part of project initialization if you believe the name 
>>> change is likely.
>>>
>>> I did a quick search and found 2 "linda"s: Linda Spaces (the blackboard 
>>> system that, I guess, is triggering the comments here) and TCP Linda, a 
>>> parallel execution environment (which may well be related to the blackboard 
>>> linda).
>>>
>>> TCP Linda ==>
>>> http://www.gaussian.com/g_prod/linda.htm
>>>
>>> Linda spaces leads to JavaSpaces so is a known name in the Java world at 
>>> least.  There is a SourceForge project linda (but looks dormant)
>>>
>>>Andy
>>
>>
>> I agree that "Linda" is a very generic name and as such there are already 
>> several projects out there with this name. On the other hand, we chose 
>> "Linda" as an acronym for "Linked Data" in order to increase recognizability 
>> especially in the domain we are targeting. For our community, we think it 
>> would be quite easy to identify "Apache Linda" with the Linked Data Platform 
>> and not with a blackboard system or a methodology for parallel execution. A 
>> more artificial name would probably have a harder time establishing a brand 
>> (but of course the project is good enough to manage ;-) ).
>>
>> In case the Incubator PMC still recommends to rename the project, I agree we 
>> should do it BEFORE starting up the project. We will discuss options for 
>> renaming on Monday (European Time) and come up with suggestions.
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>>
>> Sebastian
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Linda

[Ian Holsman]

What about DaNil? Or DaLin?

Sent from my iPhone

On 18/11/2012, at 9:12 AM, Sebastian Schaffert 
 wrote:

> Dear all,
> 
> first of all, thanks for the feedback so far...
> 
> Am 17.11.2012 um 20:08 schrieb Andy Seaborne:
> 
> 
>> You're right changing the name can be done later but the name tends to get 
>> embedded both in the system (e.g. URLs, JIRA project) and more importantly 
>> in people knowing about the community.
>> 
>> Renaming for the community is hard and risky - I would say it is easier to 
>> sort it out as part of project initialization if you believe the name change 
>> is likely.
>> 
>> I did a quick search and found 2 "linda"s: Linda Spaces (the blackboard 
>> system that, I guess, is triggering the comments here) and TCP Linda, a 
>> parallel execution environment (which may well be related to the blackboard 
>> linda).
>> 
>> TCP Linda ==>
>> http://www.gaussian.com/g_prod/linda.htm
>> 
>> Linda spaces leads to JavaSpaces so is a known name in the Java world at 
>> least.  There is a SourceForge project linda (but looks dormant)
>> 
>>Andy
> 
> 
> I agree that "Linda" is a very generic name and as such there are already 
> several projects out there with this name. On the other hand, we chose 
> "Linda" as an acronym for "Linked Data" in order to increase recognizability 
> especially in the domain we are targeting. For our community, we think it 
> would be quite easy to identify "Apache Linda" with the Linked Data Platform 
> and not with a blackboard system or a methodology for parallel execution. A 
> more artificial name would probably have a harder time establishing a brand 
> (but of course the project is good enough to manage ;-) ).
> 
> In case the Incubator PMC still recommends to rename the project, I agree we 
> should do it BEFORE starting up the project. We will discuss options for 
> renaming on Monday (European Time) and come up with suggestions.
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> 
> Sebastian
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Linda

[Sebastian Schaffert]

Dear all,

first of all, thanks for the feedback so far...

Am 17.11.2012 um 20:08 schrieb Andy Seaborne:


> You're right changing the name can be done later but the name tends to get 
> embedded both in the system (e.g. URLs, JIRA project) and more importantly in 
> people knowing about the community.
> 
> Renaming for the community is hard and risky - I would say it is easier to 
> sort it out as part of project initialization if you believe the name change 
> is likely.
> 
> I did a quick search and found 2 "linda"s: Linda Spaces (the blackboard 
> system that, I guess, is triggering the comments here) and TCP Linda, a 
> parallel execution environment (which may well be related to the blackboard 
> linda).
> 
> TCP Linda ==>
> http://www.gaussian.com/g_prod/linda.htm
> 
> Linda spaces leads to JavaSpaces so is a known name in the Java world at 
> least.  There is a SourceForge project linda (but looks dormant)
> 
>   Andy
> 
> 


I agree that "Linda" is a very generic name and as such there are already 
several projects out there with this name. On the other hand, we chose "Linda" 
as an acronym for "Linked Data" in order to increase recognizability especially 
in the domain we are targeting. For our community, we think it would be quite 
easy to identify "Apache Linda" with the Linked Data Platform and not with a 
blackboard system or a methodology for parallel execution. A more artificial 
name would probably have a harder time establishing a brand (but of course the 
project is good enough to manage ;-) ).

In case the Incubator PMC still recommends to rename the project, I agree we 
should do it BEFORE starting up the project. We will discuss options for 
renaming on Monday (European Time) and come up with suggestions.

Greetings,


Sebastian
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Linda

[Andy Seaborne]

On 17/11/12 09:01, Sergio Fernández wrote:

Hi Roy,

we were aware of the possible conflict/confusion with the name; but
since the Linda model is quite old, not really spread nowadays and
completely far away of the Linked Data topic, personally I can't see a
really big issue here. But of course the Incubator PMC has a deeper
knowledge of such a kind of decisions and its implications, so we'll do
out best to address it during this discussion.

Anyway, we'd prefer to focus the discussion on the proposal itself.
After all, the name is something we can change. But the project is
something important to discuss.

BTW, regarding that, in other to provide some more background about the
proposal, I'd also like to point you the slides we presented one week
ago at ApacheCon Europe: http://slidesha.re/VUQ7ia

Thanks for all your feedback.

Best,


On 16.11.2012 19:30, Roy T. Fielding wrote:

I suggest choosing a different name.

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_%28coordination_language%29

We generally don't use names that have been (and continue to be)
used extensively by other software projects.

Roy


You're right changing the name can be done later but the name tends to 
get embedded both in the system (e.g. URLs, JIRA project) and more 
importantly in people knowing about the community.


Renaming for the community is hard and risky - I would say it is easier 
to sort it out as part of project initialization if you believe the name 
change is likely.


I did a quick search and found 2 "linda"s: Linda Spaces (the blackboard 
system that, I guess, is triggering the comments here) and TCP Linda, a 
parallel execution environment (which may well be related to the 
blackboard linda).


TCP Linda ==>
http://www.gaussian.com/g_prod/linda.htm

Linda spaces leads to JavaSpaces so is a known name in the Java world at 
least.  There is a SourceForge project linda (but looks dormant)


Andy


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Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Linda

[Andreas Kuckartz]

+1 (non-binding)

as a first comment.

Cheers,
Andreas

Sebastian Schaffert:
> Dear all,
> 
> we would like to propose a new project called Apache Linda as a
> Linked Data Platform implementation to the incubator. Andy Seaborne
> was so kind as to volunteer as a champion for the project. The
> proposal is available at
> 
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/LindaProposal
> 
> The goal of Apache Linda is to provide an open implementation of a
> Linked Data Platform that can be used, extended, and deployed
> easily by organizations who want to publish Linked Data or build
> custom applications on Linked Data. Linda will follow the core
> recommendations of the W3C on RDF, SPARQL and Linked Data
> publishing, particularly the emerging Linked Data Platform (LDP)
> recommendation. It will also offer extensions for frequently needed
> additional functionalities like Linked Data Querying, WebID,
> WebACL, Reasoning, and Versioning. Linda aims to cover both, Linked
> Open Data, as well as Enterprise Linked Data scenarios, providing
> facilities to deal with different data sources and requirements
> (small data/big data, open access/restricted access, etc).
> 
> We are looking forward to your feedback and suggestions on how to
> improve the proposal and idea!
> 
> 
> Sergio, Thomas, Jakob and Sebastian

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Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Linda

[Sergio Fernández]

Hi Roy,

we were aware of the possible conflict/confusion with the name; but 
since the Linda model is quite old, not really spread nowadays and 
completely far away of the Linked Data topic, personally I can't see a 
really big issue here. But of course the Incubator PMC has a deeper 
knowledge of such a kind of decisions and its implications, so we'll do 
out best to address it during this discussion.


Anyway, we'd prefer to focus the discussion on the proposal itself. 
After all, the name is something we can change. But the project is 
something important to discuss.


BTW, regarding that, in other to provide some more background about the 
proposal, I'd also like to point you the slides we presented one week 
ago at ApacheCon Europe: http://slidesha.re/VUQ7ia


Thanks for all your feedback.

Best,


On 16.11.2012 19:30, Roy T. Fielding wrote:

I suggest choosing a different name.

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_%28coordination_language%29

We generally don't use names that have been (and continue to be)
used extensively by other software projects.

Roy

On Nov 16, 2012, at 9:14 AM, Sebastian Schaffert wrote:


Dear all,

we would like to propose a new project called Apache Linda as a 
Linked Data Platform implementation to the incubator. Andy Seaborne 
was so kind as to volunteer as a champion for the project. The 
proposal is available at


http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/LindaProposal

The goal of Apache Linda is to provide an open implementation of a 
Linked Data Platform that can be used, extended, and deployed easily 
by organizations who want to publish Linked Data or build custom 
applications on Linked Data. Linda will follow the core 
recommendations of the W3C on RDF, SPARQL and Linked Data publishing, 
particularly the emerging Linked Data Platform (LDP) recommendation. 
It will also offer extensions for frequently needed additional 
functionalities like Linked Data Querying, WebID, WebACL, Reasoning, 
and Versioning. Linda aims to cover both, Linked Open Data, as well as 
Enterprise Linked Data scenarios, providing facilities to deal with 
different data sources and requirements (small data/big data, open 
access/restricted access, etc).


We are looking forward to your feedback and suggestions on how to 
improve the proposal and idea!



Sergio, Thomas, Jakob and Sebastian



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Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Linda

[Ted Dunning]

I had the same impression (oh boy... Linda still exists ... oh wait, not
that Linda)

On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Roy T. Fielding  wrote:

> I suggest choosing a different name.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_%28coordination_language%29
>
> We generally don't use names that have been (and continue to be)
> used extensively by other software projects.
>
> Roy
>
> On Nov 16, 2012, at 9:14 AM, Sebastian Schaffert wrote:
>
> > Dear all,
> >
> > we would like to propose a new project called Apache Linda as a Linked
> Data Platform implementation to the incubator. Andy Seaborne was so kind as
> to volunteer as a champion for the project. The proposal is available at
> >
> > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/LindaProposal
> >
> > The goal of Apache Linda is to provide an open implementation of a
> Linked Data Platform that can be used, extended, and deployed easily by
> organizations who want to publish Linked Data or build custom applications
> on Linked Data. Linda will follow the core recommendations of the W3C on
> RDF, SPARQL and Linked Data publishing, particularly the emerging Linked
> Data Platform (LDP) recommendation. It will also offer extensions for
> frequently needed additional functionalities like Linked Data Querying,
> WebID, WebACL, Reasoning, and Versioning. Linda aims to cover both, Linked
> Open Data, as well as Enterprise Linked Data scenarios, providing
> facilities to deal with different data sources and requirements (small
> data/big data, open access/restricted access, etc).
> >
> > We are looking forward to your feedback and suggestions on how to
> improve the proposal and idea!
> >
> >
> > Sergio, Thomas, Jakob and Sebastian
> >
> >
> >
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> sebastian.schaff...@salzburgresearch.at
> > | Salzburg Research Forschungsgesellschaft
> http://www.salzburgresearch.at
> > | Head of Knowledge and Media Technologies Group  +43 662 2288
> 423
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> > | A-5020 Salzburg
> >
>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Linda

[Mattmann, Chris A (388J)]

Hi Guys,

This sounds really interesting looking forward to hanging around and see what 
comes of it!

Cheers,
Chris

On Nov 16, 2012, at 9:14 AM, Sebastian Schaffert wrote:

> Dear all,
> 
> we would like to propose a new project called Apache Linda as a Linked Data 
> Platform implementation to the incubator. Andy Seaborne was so kind as to 
> volunteer as a champion for the project. The proposal is available at
> 
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/LindaProposal
> 
> The goal of Apache Linda is to provide an open implementation of a Linked 
> Data Platform that can be used, extended, and deployed easily by 
> organizations who want to publish Linked Data or build custom applications on 
> Linked Data. Linda will follow the core recommendations of the W3C on RDF, 
> SPARQL and Linked Data publishing, particularly the emerging Linked Data 
> Platform (LDP) recommendation. It will also offer extensions for frequently 
> needed additional functionalities like Linked Data Querying, WebID, WebACL, 
> Reasoning, and Versioning. Linda aims to cover both, Linked Open Data, as 
> well as Enterprise Linked Data scenarios, providing facilities to deal with 
> different data sources and requirements (small data/big data, open 
> access/restricted access, etc).
> 
> We are looking forward to your feedback and suggestions on how to improve the 
> proposal and idea!
> 
> 
> Sergio, Thomas, Jakob and Sebastian
> 
> 
> 
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> | Dr. Sebastian Schaffert  sebastian.schaff...@salzburgresearch.at
> | Salzburg Research Forschungsgesellschaft  http://www.salzburgresearch.at
> | Head of Knowledge and Media Technologies Group  +43 662 2288 423
> | Jakob-Haringer Strasse 5/II
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Linda

[Roy T. Fielding]

I suggest choosing a different name.

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_%28coordination_language%29

We generally don't use names that have been (and continue to be)
used extensively by other software projects.

Roy

On Nov 16, 2012, at 9:14 AM, Sebastian Schaffert wrote:

> Dear all,
> 
> we would like to propose a new project called Apache Linda as a Linked Data 
> Platform implementation to the incubator. Andy Seaborne was so kind as to 
> volunteer as a champion for the project. The proposal is available at
> 
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/LindaProposal
> 
> The goal of Apache Linda is to provide an open implementation of a Linked 
> Data Platform that can be used, extended, and deployed easily by 
> organizations who want to publish Linked Data or build custom applications on 
> Linked Data. Linda will follow the core recommendations of the W3C on RDF, 
> SPARQL and Linked Data publishing, particularly the emerging Linked Data 
> Platform (LDP) recommendation. It will also offer extensions for frequently 
> needed additional functionalities like Linked Data Querying, WebID, WebACL, 
> Reasoning, and Versioning. Linda aims to cover both, Linked Open Data, as 
> well as Enterprise Linked Data scenarios, providing facilities to deal with 
> different data sources and requirements (small data/big data, open 
> access/restricted access, etc).
> 
> We are looking forward to your feedback and suggestions on how to improve the 
> proposal and idea!
> 
> 
> Sergio, Thomas, Jakob and Sebastian
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> | Dr. Sebastian Schaffert  sebastian.schaff...@salzburgresearch.at
> | Salzburg Research Forschungsgesellschaft  http://www.salzburgresearch.at
> | Head of Knowledge and Media Technologies Group  +43 662 2288 423
> | Jakob-Haringer Strasse 5/II
> | A-5020 Salzburg
> 


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