Re: Helma XML-RPC @ Jakarta
Hannes Wallnoefer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To put it right upfront, I don't think XML-RPC is a natural fit for xml.apache.org, and I'd prefer to see it at Jakarta. Let me explain. Even though I see your point, I'd still prefer seeing it over in XML alongside with the other technologies doing the same exact thing... Jakarta has alrady a wide enough spectrum of problems covered (from build systems, to ioc frameworks). From what I can see, XML-RPC is based on XML (or a subset of it), is used to transmit objects and call methods over HTTP (same as SOAP), s, since it's an alternative to SOAP, it should go alongside with it. -1 for XML-RPC on Jakarta... Pier - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Helma XML-RPC @ Jakarta
On 7/5/01 7:55 AM, Pier P. Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hannes Wallnoefer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To put it right upfront, I don't think XML-RPC is a natural fit for xml.apache.org, and I'd prefer to see it at Jakarta. Let me explain. Even though I see your point, I'd still prefer seeing it over in XML alongside with the other technologies doing the same exact thing... Jakarta has alrady a wide enough spectrum of problems covered (from build systems, to ioc frameworks). From what I can see, XML-RPC is based on XML (or a subset of it), is used to transmit objects and call methods over HTTP (same as SOAP), s, since it's an alternative to SOAP, it should go alongside with it. -1 for XML-RPC on Jakarta... So you would be amenable to the XML-RPC package being an independent project under the xml.apache.org banner? Pier - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- jvz. Jason van Zyl http://tambora.zenplex.org http://jakarta.apache.org/turbine http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity http://jakarta.apache.org/alexandria http://jakarta.apache.org/commons - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Helma XML-RPC @ Jakarta
On 7/5/01 7:55 AM, Pier P. Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hannes Wallnoefer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To put it right upfront, I don't think XML-RPC is a natural fit for xml.apache.org, and I'd prefer to see it at Jakarta. Let me explain. Even though I see your point, I'd still prefer seeing it over in XML alongside with the other technologies doing the same exact thing... Jakarta has alrady a wide enough spectrum of problems covered (from build systems, to ioc frameworks). From what I can see, XML-RPC is based on XML (or a subset of it), is used to transmit objects and call methods over HTTP (same as SOAP), s, since it's an alternative to SOAP, it should go alongside with it. -1 for XML-RPC on Jakarta... Would anyone else on the Jakarta PMC care to vote? I think there are 10 Jakarta PMC members can we get a quick vote. So if anyone else has a -1 than that will put an end to the proposal, right? We need 8/10 for the 3/4 minimum so one more -1 and it's a goner. So, this is for the inclusion the XML-RPC package in Jakarta [ ]Peter Donald [-1]Pier Fumagalli [ ]Ted Husted [ ]Ceki Gülcü [ ]Geir Magnusson [ ]Craig McClanahan [-1]Sam Ruby [ ]Dan Savarese [ ]Jon Stevens [+1]Jason van Zyl I would like to try this avenue first as it's what the author wants. -- jvz. Jason van Zyl http://tambora.zenplex.org http://jakarta.apache.org/turbine http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity http://jakarta.apache.org/alexandria http://jakarta.apache.org/commons - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I find this funny...
ASP-JSP Translation... http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5092884,00.html I'm sure that this was one of Sun's goals all along when they created JSP. Unfortunately, the goal didn't seem to be more than that...like making JSP a really good and innovative technology. :-) -jon -- If you come from a Perl or PHP background, JSP is a way to take your pain to new levels. --Anonymous http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/ymtd/ymtd.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Helma XML-RPC @ Jakarta
On 7/5/01 1:08 PM, Ted Leung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, It is not true that there is no interest in XML-RPC at xml.apache.org. I would be amenable to / in-favor of XML RPC being an independent project under xml.apache.org. I would prefer it if we could find a way to make this fit in with Axis, assuming that the respective committers can get along and make it work. We would prefer that the project be independent at first. None of the initial committers have much experience with xml.apache.org and would like to gradually move toward collaborating. As I've said before this is a self contained project and it is used that way. I have no doubt that the code can be integrated into Axis in some form, but this is not our primary motive for bringing the code to apache. The whole point of having a separate XML project is for XML related code-bases to go there. With a name like XML-RPC, it is hard to argue that XML-RPC is not an XML related project. Please don't try to circumvent the structure that the ASF has put in place. As someone pointed out, If we were talking about a C or C++ implementation of XML-RPC, then I don't think we would be arguing about where this particular code base belongs. Fair enough, I will no longer argue the point. My main concern is that the project be granted full autonomy as a project initially as Hannes and the rest of the committers become accustomed to xml.apache.org than we can discuss the possible integration with Axis. Does this sound reasonable? Ted Leung Chair XML PMC - Original Message - From: Jason van Zyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 7:18 AM Subject: Re: Helma XML-RPC @ Jakarta On 7/5/01 7:55 AM, Pier P. Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hannes Wallnoefer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To put it right upfront, I don't think XML-RPC is a natural fit for xml.apache.org, and I'd prefer to see it at Jakarta. Let me explain. Even though I see your point, I'd still prefer seeing it over in XML alongside with the other technologies doing the same exact thing... Jakarta has alrady a wide enough spectrum of problems covered (from build systems, to ioc frameworks). From what I can see, XML-RPC is based on XML (or a subset of it), is used to transmit objects and call methods over HTTP (same as SOAP), s, since it's an alternative to SOAP, it should go alongside with it. -1 for XML-RPC on Jakarta... So you would be amenable to the XML-RPC package being an independent project under the xml.apache.org banner? Pier - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- jvz. Jason van Zyl http://tambora.zenplex.org http://jakarta.apache.org/turbine http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity http://jakarta.apache.org/alexandria http://jakarta.apache.org/commons - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- jvz. Jason van Zyl http://tambora.zenplex.org http://jakarta.apache.org/turbine http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity http://jakarta.apache.org/alexandria http://jakarta.apache.org/commons - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Watch what you say...
It might become a news article on a website... http://xmlhack.com/read.php?item=1291 Lol! Can someone please correct that CollabNet is not a Jakarta Project, but instead a Company? :-) -jon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Helma XML-RPC @ Jakarta
I believed that xml.apache.org was the appropriate place to try first, and if it can find a happy home there, I still think thats appropriate. However, this is a living community, not just a code base - Hannes and co-conspirators are coming with it. Therefore, I think top level in xml would be nice, but that's only a suggestion - I am not a part of xml.apache community. If they can't be acommodated in a way that is satisfactory to all, +1 for here in Jakarta. geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] System and Software Consulting Developing for the web? See http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/ You have a genius for suggesting things I've come a cropper with! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Helma XML-RPC @ Jakarta
on 7/5/01 5:52 PM, Pier P. Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, one day I'll change it (also because it generates 70% of the traffic on daedalus!) And because CollabNet has to pay for that... -jon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Helma XML-RPC @ Jakarta
[ ]Jon Stevens -0 It seems like xml.apache.org should be the place, but I really don't care where it lives that much cause we can always move projects around if we need to. I do think that if it goes to xml.apache.org it should be a top level project. I feel about the same. xml.apache.org seems the logical place for it, but I understand some of the motivation to place it in jakarta. [ 0] Daniel Savarese - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Helma XML-RPC @ Jakarta
Jon Stevens at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/5/01 5:52 PM, Pier P. Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, one day I'll change it (also because it generates 70% of the traffic on daedalus!) And because CollabNet has to pay for that... Comes straight out of your paycheck? :) :) :) Pier (being the usual asshole!) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Helma XML-RPC @ Jakarta
Jason van Zyl wrote: Fair enough, I will no longer argue the point. My main concern is that the project be granted full autonomy as a project initially as Hannes and the rest of the committers become accustomed to xml.apache.org than we can discuss the possible integration with Axis. Does this sound reasonable? +1 I'll even volunteer to set up the mailing lists, cvs trees, authorization, etc. And, of course, integrate it into Gump. ;-) - Sam Ruby - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Helma XML-RPC @ Jakarta
Hello all, It is not true that there is no interest in XML-RPC at xml.apache.org. I would be amenable to / in-favor of XML RPC being an independent project under xml.apache.org. I would prefer it if we could find a way to make this fit in with Axis, assuming that the respective committers can get along and make it work. The whole point of having a separate XML project is for XML related code-bases to go there. With a name like XML-RPC, it is hard to argue that XML-RPC is not an XML related project. Please don't try to circumvent the structure that the ASF has put in place. As someone pointed out, If we were talking about a C or C++ implementation of XML-RPC, then I don't think we would be arguing about where this particular code base belongs. Ted Leung Chair XML PMC - Original Message - From: Jason van Zyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 7:18 AM Subject: Re: Helma XML-RPC @ Jakarta On 7/5/01 7:55 AM, Pier P. Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hannes Wallnoefer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To put it right upfront, I don't think XML-RPC is a natural fit for xml.apache.org, and I'd prefer to see it at Jakarta. Let me explain. Even though I see your point, I'd still prefer seeing it over in XML alongside with the other technologies doing the same exact thing... Jakarta has alrady a wide enough spectrum of problems covered (from build systems, to ioc frameworks). From what I can see, XML-RPC is based on XML (or a subset of it), is used to transmit objects and call methods over HTTP (same as SOAP), s, since it's an alternative to SOAP, it should go alongside with it. -1 for XML-RPC on Jakarta... So you would be amenable to the XML-RPC package being an independent project under the xml.apache.org banner? Pier - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- jvz. Jason van Zyl http://tambora.zenplex.org http://jakarta.apache.org/turbine http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity http://jakarta.apache.org/alexandria http://jakarta.apache.org/commons - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
