RE: Reply-to munging
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I expect the list to behave the way it does .. -Original Message- From: Peter Donald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 11:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Reply-to munging On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 02:36, Alex Chaffee wrote: Can we turn off the munging of headers that is currently adding Reply-to on all the jakarta lists? Please read http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html before asking why it's a problem. (BTW, I just got bit: I replied to a message with R and only after I hit send did I notice that it was going to the whole list instead of to the individual I intended.) (Also, if someone wants to reach me privately, they should use the address in my Reply-to field -- I don't appreciate the list stripping it and leaving the unpreferred From address.) -1 I get bit far more often when it is not the case. Cheers, Pete *-* | Faced with the choice between changing one's mind, | | and proving that there is no need to do so - almost | | everyone gets busy on the proof. | | - John Kenneth Galbraith | *-* - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com iQA/AwUBO0wbVElGf1KbtpBnEQLHUwCeJRK0kOJ5OHgn5OPGrf/OcXZaelUAni2h 6sNFDn0CmFtfYURpENpaCaDb =OAdq -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What is the Helma XML-RPC ?
What is the HELM project about? Nael Mohammad Neomar, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 415-403-7300 x314 (Work) 415-793-0609 (Mobile) When Wireless Means Business CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. Do not read this e-mail if you are not the intended recipient. This e-mail transmission, and any documents, files or previous e-mail messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of any of the information contained in or attached to this transmission is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify us by reply e-mail or by telephone at (415) 403-7300, and destroy the original transmission and its attachments without reading or saving in any manner. Thank you. -Original Message- From: Ted Leung [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 9:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RFC] Re: Helma XML-RPC @ Jakarta The XML PMC has voted to accept Helma XML-RPC as an xml.apache.org project. Unless somone from xml.apache.org voices a serious objection by the end of Thursday, we'll start the wheels turning to create the project. Ted - Original Message - From: Ted Leung [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 10:12 AM Subject: [RFC] Re: Helma XML-RPC @ Jakarta Does anyone else from xml.apache.org have any feedback on this proposal one way or the other? Ted - Original Message - From: Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 6:09 PM Subject: Re: Helma XML-RPC @ Jakarta Jason van Zyl wrote: Fair enough, I will no longer argue the point. My main concern is that the project be granted full autonomy as a project initially as Hannes and the rest of the committers become accustomed to xml.apache.org than we can discuss the possible integration with Axis. Does this sound reasonable? +1 I'll even volunteer to set up the mailing lists, cvs trees, authorization, etc. And, of course, integrate it into Gump. ;-) - Sam Ruby - In case of troubles, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - In case of troubles, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reply-to munging
Joseph Dane wrote: Alex == Alex Chaffee [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alex Can we turn off the munging of headers that is currently adding Alex Reply-to on all the jakarta lists? Alex Please read http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html Alex before asking why it's a problem. http://www.metasystema.org/essays/reply-to-useful.mhtml my vote, FWIW, is to leave things as they are. Thank you, Joe! I hadn't seen that document before, and it's good to have a list of all the counter-arguments (rather than a barrage of -1s). I note for the record, however, that I received two copies of this email, which means that Joe must have hit Group Reply, so that means that *even with* Reply-to munging on, the principle of minimal bandwidth is violated :-) (I note also that since my From address is not my preferred address, anyone replying to me personally from a list post will be using my internal address, which may change at any moment -- Mr. Hill's reply-to-useful doc doesn't address this. And I'm not demanding a response here, either -- as far as I'm concerned, this question is asked and answered, and I'm happy to get back to work.) - A -- Alex Chaffee mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] jGuru - Java News and FAQs http://www.jguru.com/alex/ Creator of Gamelan http://www.gamelan.com/ Founder of Purple Technology http://www.purpletech.com/ Curator of Stinky Art Collective http://www.stinky.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Open-Source Documentation and Copyright
Hi, IANAL so take this with a grain of salt... On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 04:14, Alex Chaffee wrote: Assuming that the documentation is organized as a series of files, where each file has a primary author (Alice) who is explicitly named at the time of the file's creation... I'd like to list a few :-) scenarios and ask you whether the license allows/disallows/doesn't apply to each. Alice publishes... - original file verbatim - original file slighly revised or trimmed down no problem with above - file as revised (but not rewritten) by other authors - file written by other author (Oliver) - a large part of the documentation set, perhaps edited, revised, or trimmed to suit the needs of the - entire documentation set, edited - entire documentation set, verbatim the second group requires that the author acknowledge Apache and live by license (ie in your case can not use the name Tomcat in title of work without permission). It also means that copyright notices can not be removed. Authorship statements can be removed but you can not state that someone else is the author. as... the as part is largely irrelevent unless I am missing something ;) for... I think for is also ignorable citing... - only the author (Alice) only if the only work published was done by original author - just the Apache project legally viable but would irritate the subproject ;) - the Apache project with a link to the original documentation +1 - the Apache project and all individual authors +1 - the Apache project, all individual authors, and all editors (names culled from CVS if necessary) editors are not necessary IMHO. If they had made significant changes they would have added themselves as authors (or at least they should have). Does this mean that if a publisher wanted to take the whole doc tree and publish it verbatim, and charge $49.95 a copy, he could? yep. Would he also have to include the source code, maybe as a CD-ROM insert? nope ;) Finally, once Alice has published a revised version -- say, as a book in print -- then does the Apache project have the right to pull all her changes back in to the CVS tree, even if she doesn't want them to? no right to do that. However fair use may allow someone to make corrections in Apache docs after reading Alices work. It depends on number of revisions and the level of new material added. Cheers, Pete *-* | Faced with the choice between changing one's mind, | | and proving that there is no need to do so - almost | | everyone gets busy on the proof. | | - John Kenneth Galbraith | *-* - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RFC] Re: Helma XML-RPC @ Jakarta
Jason, If you want to get things ready that's okay by me, but if someone weighs in tomorrow, we'll have to wait. Ted - Original Message - From: Jason van Zyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [RFC] Re: Helma XML-RPC @ Jakarta On 7/11/01 12:29 PM, Ted Leung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The XML PMC has voted to accept Helma XML-RPC as an xml.apache.org project. Unless somone from xml.apache.org voices a serious objection by the end of Thursday, we'll start the wheels turning to create the project. Cool and the Gang :-) I will have everything ready for import by Friday, so I'll coordinate with Sam as it looks like everything is a go. I would like to use Anakia to generate the docs, is this acceptable? I already have the docs converted to Anakia so I'd like to use what I have. Ted - Original Message - From: Ted Leung [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 10:12 AM Subject: [RFC] Re: Helma XML-RPC @ Jakarta Does anyone else from xml.apache.org have any feedback on this proposal one way or the other? Ted - Original Message - From: Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 6:09 PM Subject: Re: Helma XML-RPC @ Jakarta Jason van Zyl wrote: Fair enough, I will no longer argue the point. My main concern is that the project be granted full autonomy as a project initially as Hannes and the rest of the committers become accustomed to xml.apache.org than we can discuss the possible integration with Axis. Does this sound reasonable? +1 I'll even volunteer to set up the mailing lists, cvs trees, authorization, etc. And, of course, integrate it into Gump. ;-) - Sam Ruby - In case of troubles, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - In case of troubles, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- jvz. Jason van Zyl http://tambora.zenplex.org http://jakarta.apache.org/turbine http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity http://jakarta.apache.org/alexandria http://jakarta.apache.org/commons - In case of troubles, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RFC] Re: Helma XML-RPC @ Jakarta
The XML PMC has voted to accept Helma XML-RPC as an xml.apache.org project. Unless somone from xml.apache.org voices a serious objection by the end of Thursday, we'll start the wheels turning to create the project. Ted - Original Message - From: Ted Leung [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 10:12 AM Subject: [RFC] Re: Helma XML-RPC @ Jakarta Does anyone else from xml.apache.org have any feedback on this proposal one way or the other? Ted - Original Message - From: Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 6:09 PM Subject: Re: Helma XML-RPC @ Jakarta Jason van Zyl wrote: Fair enough, I will no longer argue the point. My main concern is that the project be granted full autonomy as a project initially as Hannes and the rest of the committers become accustomed to xml.apache.org than we can discuss the possible integration with Axis. Does this sound reasonable? +1 I'll even volunteer to set up the mailing lists, cvs trees, authorization, etc. And, of course, integrate it into Gump. ;-) - Sam Ruby - In case of troubles, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - In case of troubles, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RFC] Re: Helma XML-RPC @ Jakarta
On 7/11/01 12:29 PM, Ted Leung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The XML PMC has voted to accept Helma XML-RPC as an xml.apache.org project. Unless somone from xml.apache.org voices a serious objection by the end of Thursday, we'll start the wheels turning to create the project. Cool and the Gang :-) I will have everything ready for import by Friday, so I'll coordinate with Sam as it looks like everything is a go. I would like to use Anakia to generate the docs, is this acceptable? I already have the docs converted to Anakia so I'd like to use what I have. Ted - Original Message - From: Ted Leung [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 10:12 AM Subject: [RFC] Re: Helma XML-RPC @ Jakarta Does anyone else from xml.apache.org have any feedback on this proposal one way or the other? Ted - Original Message - From: Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 6:09 PM Subject: Re: Helma XML-RPC @ Jakarta Jason van Zyl wrote: Fair enough, I will no longer argue the point. My main concern is that the project be granted full autonomy as a project initially as Hannes and the rest of the committers become accustomed to xml.apache.org than we can discuss the possible integration with Axis. Does this sound reasonable? +1 I'll even volunteer to set up the mailing lists, cvs trees, authorization, etc. And, of course, integrate it into Gump. ;-) - Sam Ruby - In case of troubles, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - In case of troubles, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- jvz. Jason van Zyl http://tambora.zenplex.org http://jakarta.apache.org/turbine http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity http://jakarta.apache.org/alexandria http://jakarta.apache.org/commons - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
