Re: Project idea (Hypersonic)

2001-07-24 Thread Pier P. Fumagalli

GOMEZ Henri at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>>> Sometimes competition in similar (or same) projects
>>> became a sane emulation (Pier knows what I mean :)
>> 
>> We're not competing with HSQL...
> 
> I don't speak of HSQL Pier :)

Well, I am, and Kevin is... Our disagreements on visions for Tomcat is
absolutely unrelated on this thread, and might better continue on another
mailing list.

>>> And after all sourceforge is now a really good area
>>> to host OpenSource projects (java and others).
>> 
>>  I don't see what you mean...
> 
> I just say that sourceforge host today many interesting
> OSS projects and much more than apache.org (httpd/jakarta/xml)

So? Let's try not to get off topic here... We were talking about HSQL, and I
don't see how this fits the discussion.

> It's the de-facto reference for OSS developpment

I'm pretty happy with our little niche on Apache... And again, let's try not
to get off-topic :)

Pier


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RE: Project idea (Hypersonic)

2001-07-24 Thread GOMEZ Henri

>> Sometimes competition in similar (or same) projects
>> became a sane emulation (Pier knows what I mean :)
>
>We're not competing with HSQL...

I don't speak of HSQL Pier :)

>> And after all sourceforge is now a really good area
>> to host OpenSource projects (java and others).
>
> I don't see what you mean...

I just say that sourceforge host today many interesting
OSS projects and much more than apache.org (httpd/jakarta/xml)
It's the de-facto reference for OSS developpment

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Re: Project idea (Hypersonic)

2001-07-24 Thread Pier P. Fumagalli

GOMEZ Henri at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> I totally agree and I'll be more than happy to see hsql
> in jakarta. 

But they haven't approached us... And I believe the first step should be
done by them..

> Sometimes competition in similar (or same) projects
> became a sane emulation (Pier knows what I mean :)

We're not competing with HSQL...

> And after all sourceforge is now a really good area
> to host OpenSource projects (java and others).

 I don't see what you mean...

Pier


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Re: Project idea (Hypersonic)

2001-07-24 Thread Pier P. Fumagalli

burtonator at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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> "Pier P. Fumagalli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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> 
>> IMVHO, we shouldn't run after projects who, as you said, have a negative
>> inclination towards the Foundation. We have already enough stuff in our bags
>> to keep us busy forever, and although the project seems to be pretty cool, I
>> don't see a reason why we should incorporate it within our family.
>> 
>> If one of their team comes up and asks, we can consider it, but I don't feel
>> it's our task to go out and convince them to join us...
> 
> 
> Yes.  I understand this perspective.  However I think it is important to note
> that sometimes cooperation is much better than competition.

I didn't say we're going to compete with them... Actually we don't have any
RDBMS in our bag, and AFAIK we are not planning to have in the future...
So, there's no competition, and, regarding cooperation, it can only be
achieved when all parties involved are WILLING to cooperate...
>From what I hear, they're not very willing... And, as you well know, we're
always open to listen, but from that, to go around and convince people, it's
a big difference...

Pier


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RE: Project idea (Hypersonic)

2001-07-24 Thread GOMEZ Henri

>> If one of their team comes up and asks, we can consider it, 
>but I don't feel
>> it's our task to go out and convince them to join us...
>
>
>Yes.  I understand this perspective.  However I think it is 
>important to note
>that sometimes cooperation is much better than competition.  

I totally agree and I'll be more than happy to see hsql 
in jakarta. 

Sometimes competition in similar (or same) projects 
became a sane emulation (Pier knows what I mean :)

And after all sourceforge is now a really good area
to host OpenSource projects (java and others).

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Re: Project idea (Hypersonic)

2001-07-24 Thread burtonator

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"Pier P. Fumagalli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


> IMVHO, we shouldn't run after projects who, as you said, have a negative
> inclination towards the Foundation. We have already enough stuff in our bags
> to keep us busy forever, and although the project seems to be pretty cool, I
> don't see a reason why we should incorporate it within our family.
> 
> If one of their team comes up and asks, we can consider it, but I don't feel
> it's our task to go out and convince them to join us...


Yes.  I understand this perspective.  However I think it is important to note
that sometimes cooperation is much better than competition.  

Kevin

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