Re: [ANN] in-house mail archive...

[Daniel Rall]

Pier Fumagalli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> "Pier Fumagalli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> "Daniel Rall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> I hadn't been able to reach the one at 8080 from off the machine since
>>> Pier installed the mod_proxy ProxyPass magic for httpd (other than by
>>> telnetting from the box and submitting the HTTP request by hand).
>>> Personally, I much prefer not having to provide the port number (go
>>> Pier!).
>> 
>> Security hole... 8080 is bound only to 127.0.0.1... Now we control who gets
>> into Tomcat, and the HTTP stack on Apache is _much_more_solid_...
>
> Sorry, this might sound harsh... There's no known security hole in TC's HTTP
> connector, it's just security "consciousness" Or whatever, I dunno, you
> pick :)

Even so, +1.  If it doesn't _need_ to be open to the Internet at
large, why open it?  Apache httpd needs to be, but Catalina does not.

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Re: [ANN] in-house mail archive...

[Pier Fumagalli]

"Pier Fumagalli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> "Daniel Rall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> I hadn't been able to reach the one at 8080 from off the machine since
>> Pier installed the mod_proxy ProxyPass magic for httpd (other than by
>> telnetting from the box and submitting the HTTP request by hand).
>> Personally, I much prefer not having to provide the port number (go
>> Pier!).
> 
> Security hole... 8080 is bound only to 127.0.0.1... Now we control who gets
> into Tomcat, and the HTTP stack on Apache is _much_more_solid_...

Sorry, this might sound harsh... There's no known security hole in TC's HTTP
connector, it's just security "consciousness" Or whatever, I dunno, you
pick :)

Pier

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Re: [ANN] in-house mail archive...

[Pier Fumagalli]

"Daniel Rall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I hadn't been able to reach the one at 8080 from off the machine since
> Pier installed the mod_proxy ProxyPass magic for httpd (other than by
> telnetting from the box and submitting the HTTP request by hand).
> Personally, I much prefer not having to provide the port number (go
> Pier!).

Security hole... 8080 is bound only to 127.0.0.1... Now we control who gets
into Tomcat, and the HTTP stack on Apache is _much_more_solid_...

Pier

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Re: You guys are so funny.

[Conor MacNeill]

Jeff Schnitzer wrote:

>>>Hear hear!  (But go emacs! ;-)
>>>  
>>>
>>B... vi rules!
>>
>>
>
>
>Ed is the standard text editor.
>  
>
When I went to Uni. vi was considered too resource intensive - you had 
to use ed.

ed rocks (well not really)

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RE: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

[Andrew C. Oliver]

sounds like a frog or the nickname of a president... 
;-)

go all the way... dubya.apache.org ;-) :-p

-andy

On Mon, 2002-05-06 at 18:52, Jeff Schnitzer wrote:
> How about tweaking "db" enough so that it both pronounces better and has
> less explicit meaning?
> 
> I like:  dub.apache.org
> 
> Let someone else figure out acronym meaning later :-)
> 
> Jeff Schnitzer
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> How many millions of dollars did Andersen spend for the name
> "Accenture"? Sounds like some sort of meat seasoning.  No MSG!
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Jim Seach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 3:42 PM
> > To: Jakarta General List
> > Subject: Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?
> > 
> > I don't have a problem with db, but if that is associated too strongly
> > with relational databases, how about datamanagement or dm?  Another
> > option would be just data.
> > 
> > Jim Seach
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Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

[Andrew C. Oliver]

If I were going to Apache to look for database stuff be it a database
(object oriented or not) and/or stuff to work with it...I'd be prone to
look at db.apache.org.  Then again... Jakarta == Java?? ;-)

-Andy

On Mon, 2002-05-06 at 18:44, Peter Donald wrote:
> On Tue, 7 May 2002 08:34, Daniel Rall wrote:
> > "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > I was thinking that a better name might be 'dataaccess' or something to
> > > reflect the fact that the scope isn't just about formal db's.
> > >
> > > Not sure.  We can keep it as 'db' as a working name for now, I suppose.
> >
> > The only other thing that I could come up with was "persistence"
> > (which probably isn't as good as db...not general enough).
> 
> I disagree - I think persistence or more likely persist.apache.org is general 
> enough. Not sure if it is a snappy enough name though ;)
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RE: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

[Jeff Schnitzer]

How about tweaking "db" enough so that it both pronounces better and has
less explicit meaning?

I like:  dub.apache.org

Let someone else figure out acronym meaning later :-)

Jeff Schnitzer
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

How many millions of dollars did Andersen spend for the name
"Accenture"? Sounds like some sort of meat seasoning.  No MSG!

> -Original Message-
> From: Jim Seach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 3:42 PM
> To: Jakarta General List
> Subject: Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?
> 
> I don't have a problem with db, but if that is associated too strongly
> with relational databases, how about datamanagement or dm?  Another
> option would be just data.
> 
> Jim Seach


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Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

[Peter Donald]

On Tue, 7 May 2002 08:34, Daniel Rall wrote:
> "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I was thinking that a better name might be 'dataaccess' or something to
> > reflect the fact that the scope isn't just about formal db's.
> >
> > Not sure.  We can keep it as 'db' as a working name for now, I suppose.
>
> The only other thing that I could come up with was "persistence"
> (which probably isn't as good as db...not general enough).

I disagree - I think persistence or more likely persist.apache.org is general 
enough. Not sure if it is a snappy enough name though ;)

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Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

[Jim Seach]

I don't have a problem with db, but if that is associated too strongly
with relational databases, how about datamanagement or dm?  Another
option would be just data.

Jim Seach

--- Daniel Rall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > I was thinking that a better name might be 'dataaccess' or
> something to
> > reflect the fact that the scope isn't just about formal db's.
> >
> > Not sure.  We can keep it as 'db' as a working name for now, I
> suppose.
> 
> The only other thing that I could come up with was "persistence"
> (which probably isn't as good as db...not general enough).  I don't
> like "dataaccess" because (other than being ugly) it could be
> construed to preclude data _storage_ (a type of project which
> db.apache.org might eventually host).
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Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

[Daniel Rall]

"Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I was thinking that a better name might be 'dataaccess' or something to
> reflect the fact that the scope isn't just about formal db's.
>
> Not sure.  We can keep it as 'db' as a working name for now, I suppose.

The only other thing that I could come up with was "persistence"
(which probably isn't as good as db...not general enough).  I don't
like "dataaccess" because (other than being ugly) it could be
construed to preclude data _storage_ (a type of project which
db.apache.org might eventually host).

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Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

[Daniel Rall]

Martin Poeschl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> i just sent a proposal to the torque list to move to db

...which has been approved by the developers.

- Dan

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RE: You guys are so funny.

[Jeff Schnitzer]

> >Hear hear!  (But go emacs! ;-)
> 
> B... vi rules!


Ed is the standard text editor.

http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed.msg.html

:-)

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Yes, I was reading alt.slack in '91 :-)

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Re: You guys are so funny.

[Andrew C. Oliver]

>
>
>>
>>Let it be.  Use the software you like.  Write the software you like.
>>Berate people over the truly important things, like choice of text
>>editor :-)
>>
>
>Hear hear!  (But go emacs! ;-)
>

B... vi rules!  

-Andy

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Re: You guys are so funny.

[Daniel Rall]

"Jeff Schnitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> From: Paulo Gaspar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> 
>> Of course that from the way Jon talks about me you can tell that
>> I do not always agree with him - Jon seems to only be friendly
>> to those that agree with him.
>
> For the record, I've even committed the cardinal sin of creating a MVC
> webapp framework which is not Turbine (http://mav.sourceforge.net), and
> Jon is still pretty friendly to me :-)
>
>
> You guys all need to lighten up.  It's not like this is a workplace
> where everyone is competing for promotions or something.  How this
> social game plays out isn't going to affect your paycheck or the people
> who hang out with you or whether or not you're going to get laid this
> weekend.
>
> A fair amount of banter is healthy in any community.  Poking fun at each
> other, lighthearted insults, competition, and yes conflict are a
> standard part of any sitcom production.  Sure, there's a time for "we
> all love each other" mushy-type stuff but if it was like that all the
> time it would get boring really damn fast.  It is my observation that
> Apache works because of thick skins, not because of peace, love, and
> happiness vibes.
>
> There's nothing wrong with a limited number of competing projects under
> one roof.  It's probably even a good idea.  It's not like Maven and
> Centipede are competing implementations of the same API - this is pretty
> much a research field, and it's impossible to categorically predict at
> this point whether it is better to extend or generate the Gump
> descriptors, or to use XSLT or DVSL, etc.  Until the science becomes
> engineering, this mad driving need (among some) to "merge merge merge"
> is a pathology.
>
> Let it be.  Use the software you like.  Write the software you like.
> Berate people over the truly important things, like choice of text
> editor :-)

Hear hear!  (But go emacs! ;-)

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Re: [ANN] in-house mail archive...

[Daniel Rall]

I hadn't been able to reach the one at 8080 from off the machine since
Pier installed the mod_proxy ProxyPass magic for httpd (other than by
telnetting from the box and submitting the HTTP request by hand).
Personally, I much prefer not having to provide the port number (go
Pier!).

- Dan

Pier Fumagalli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> It is the same installation, we just switched ports and maybe daniel is
> reindexing stuff around...
>
>
> Daniel Ritchey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> What happened to the one at
>> http://nagoya.apache.org:8080/eyebrowse/ViewLists
>> 
>> It had all the lists archived instead of the few that are showing up now?
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Thank to Daniel Rall, we finally have an in-house mail archive for
>>> JAKARTA.APACHE.ORG, with all our history so far.
>>> 
>>> The baby is running on Tigris' EyeBrowse and can be accessed here:
>>> 
>>> http://nagoya.apache.org/

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Re: [ANN] in-house mail archive...

[Daniel Rall]

Pier Fumagalli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> petite_abeille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> 
>> On Friday, May 3, 2002, at 08:34 PM, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
>> 
>>> Thank to Daniel Rall, we finally have an in-house mail archive for
>>> JAKARTA.APACHE.ORG, with all our history so far.
>>> 
>>> The baby is running on Tigris' EyeBrowse and can be accessed here:
>>> 
>>> http://nagoya.apache.org/
>> 
>> Great... but is it ready for prime time?
>
> Oh, BTW, it was up for the past 4 months, didn't have the slightest problem,
> until Dan decided to upgrade to the last more stable version, right when I
> announced it :) :) :)
>
> I'm sure it's a nit, and will be fixed in 2 days

Hehe, that's exactly it.  A comical coincidence...   :-)

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Re: [ANN] in-house mail archive...

[Daniel Rall]

Pier Fumagalli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Daniel Rall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>> 
>>> I'm sure someone else will manage it but some of the lists have zero
>>> entries, e.g. turbine-maven-dev
>> 
>> I know, old problem.  I'm regenerating the mbox indices now (which is
>> going to make nagoya very slow for a bit, btw).
>
> Dan, write down how it's done, so I can do some CRON magic

nagoya.apache.org:~dlr/ap-eyebrowse/bin/populate_db.sh

The existing command line interface is less than desirable.  However,
I didn't want to touch it until releasing a 1.1 final.  I'll give EB
on nagoya a few more days, then do just that.  Send any suggestions to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and I'll look into implementing them after
branching.

- Dan

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RE: Maven is growing

[Leo Simons]

There used to be, at least, back when I was 17...

grz,

- Leo

On Mon, 2002-05-06 at 13:05, Fernandez Martinez, Alejandro wrote:
> Is it not ok to post strong language on this list? Are there kids around?
> 
> Un saludo,
> 
> Alex Fernández.



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RE: Maven is growing

[Fernandez Martinez, Alejandro]

Is it not ok to post strong language on this list? Are there kids around?

Un saludo,

Alex Fernández.

> -Mensaje original-
> De: Sale, Doug [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Enviado el: viernes 3 de mayo de 2002 21:13
> Para: 'Jakarta General List'
> Asunto: RE: Maven is growing
> 
> 
> agreed.  the swearing
> (http://www.mail-archive.com/general@jakarta.apache.org/msg051
> 30.html),
> self-congratulating web page 
> (http://jakarta.apache.org/site/jon.html), and
> general attitude is disheartening.
> 
> most of us don't need others to step in and defend our 
> 'nice-guy' status.
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 1:18 PM
> > To: Jakarta General List
> > Subject: Re: Maven is growing
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, 3 May 2002, Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
> > 
> > > well, just yesterday we had:
> > > 
> > > [daedalus] 10:56am ~ > grep -c "/maven/" 02
> > > 7546
> > > 
> > > Looks like the *entire* life of your project has been 
> around 9500...
> > > 
> > > OhhA
> > 
> > My english vocabulary is too limited to express what I feel 
> > reading this...
> > 
> > Maybe ashamed to be in the same 'community' with this kind of
> > person. 
> > 
> > Costin
> > 
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