Re: Issues with XMLBeans proposal
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 10:12:17PM -0400, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: On 7/3/03 7:24 PM, Greg Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3. Jakarta - IMHO this the best place for it. The division of XML vs Jakarta predates me for certain, but I think the main issues surrounding that are rusty. The problem is Jakarta itself. Centering a PMC around a *language* rather than functionality is the inherent problem. These questions will continue to arise over and over. What's done is done. As a Jakarta committer I always feel like the guy wearing a I'm here I'm queer deal with it shirt at a Republican National Convention. Heh :-) Oh, what was done [Jakarta] was done *very well*. Don't get me wrong on that. I'm simply trying to point out that a language-oriented PMC is going to continue to cause decision-making problems like this. Am I suggesting unwinding Jakarta *because* it is language-oriented? Not at all. I *would* like to see more TLPs spin out of Jakarta, though. The Board doesn't have near enough insight into the major Jakarta projects: Tomcat, Struts, Turbine, Velocity, Gump, etc. When Grisha Trubetskoy wanted to contribute mod_python to the ASF, a good number of people called for creating a 'python' TLP. The Board decided to stop perpetrating the per-language concept. Instead, mod_python was added to the Apache HTTP Server Project (it *is* a module for Apache httpd, after all). mod_php, mod_perl, and mod_tcl fall under the same argument, of course, but they get a Grandfather Pass :-) I'm getting de ja vu... You don't like this community. I get it... I'll file this on the appropriate file system for such information. So Jakarta is the grandfather of them all... Etc etc Feh. I didn't say that, and you know it :-) The community is just fine and has done great stuff. I think the language focus of the Jakarta, Perl, PHP, and TCL TLPs is the wrong axis for slicing up where to put codebases. I also think Jakarta is too big and needs to spin out some TLPs. But don't like this community ?!?! Hah. ... I agree. The question for them: Are you a good witch or a bad witch? ;-) Euh... :-) Cheers, -g -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... ASF Chairman ... http://www.apache.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [vote] XMLBeans to enter XML incubation [was: Re: Vote forXMLBeans proposal in the XML Project (was RE: Vote for XMLBeans proposal)]
Please cast your vote on the acceptance of the XMLBeans project for incubation in the XML.Apache project: [ ] I agree with and support this proposal (+1) +1 Tom Copeland (Maven) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [vote] XMLBeans to enter XML incubation [was: Re: Vote for XMLBeansproposal in the XML Project (was RE: Vote for XMLBeans proposal)]
Steven Noels wrote: Dear committers, as outlined in the xml.apache.org charter (section 6.2), and in collaboration with the Incubator (http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/incubator/STATUS?rev=HEAD) Subject to: - relicensing of the XMLBeans codebase using the ASL 1.1 license (http://xml.apache.org/LICENSE) - copyright transfer from BEA to the ASF as described in http://incubator.apache.org/process.html [1] - each initial XMLBeans committer sending in a Contributor's License Agreement (http://incubator.apache.org/forms/ASF_Contributor_License_2_form.pdf) - furthermore, I would strongly suggest the XMLBeans code should only be moved into Apache CVS once the outstanding LGPL BEA-licensed code dependency issues have been resolved. Please cast your vote on the acceptance of the XMLBeans project for incubation in the XML.Apache project: --- vote ballot -- Name: [ ] I agree with and support this proposal (+1) +1 thanks, alek ([EMAIL PROTECTED], PMC memeber of Web Services) -- If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough. Mario Andretti - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [vote] XMLBeans to enter XML incubation [was: Re: Vote for XMLBeansproposal in the XML Project (was RE: Vote for XMLBeans proposal)]
+1 I am planning to meet Cliff Schimdt in person at OSCon later this week. I will also be happy to be the official shepherd during incubation. Ted Berin Lautenbach wrote: +1. Subject to committer issues previously discussed being worked through in the incubator. Would it be worth each of the PMC reps putting this into the -dev lists? Am not sure if all committers are subscribed to general@ and it might make the logistics a bit easier? Am happy to help out on the logistics side, and I think Ted has also indicated he is happy to be the official shepherd. Cheers, Berin --- vote ballot -- Name: [ x ] I agree with and support this proposal (+1) [ ] Indifference (-1 x +1) [ ] I object and suggest a way to address my reservations (-1) -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [i18n] Internationalization subproject sponsor?
Andy, 1: Do you know the existence of http://httpd.apache.org/docs-project/ ? Is this outside of ASF? Doesn't this project have a concrete goal? 2: I did not mention any kind of people sit around tables and make speeches... it might be better to go to party@ or wherever... 3: Sure I mentioned soft link (symbolic link might be preferable), but it is not related to soft project. It's like uh ... jakarta-site module and jakarta-site2 module... what Andy taught me just a month ago. 4: IMHO: If the original proposal from Robert are missing in some points, it might be a good *task* for the committers/members to adjust/mold it to suit it to the whole benefits of the ASF. Internationalization (in various meanings) brings the prosperity to the ASF more and more, I am sure. APPENDIX: These kind of *gathering all the knowledge/translations from all over the world* bring immediate results to the logging packages/ portals etc., needless to say. Sincerely, -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 10:35:12 -0400 (Subject: Re: [i18n] Internationalization subproject sponsor?) Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay. if you had any troubles with this, please let me know. I'd be against any project without concrete goals. soft projects are best outside of apache in some kind of organization who has meetings where people sit around tables and make speeches... The goal should reflect some kind of strong concrete goal. - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ (Apache Jakarta Translation, Japanese) http://jakarta.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apache != HTTPD (was Issues with XMLBeans proposal)
On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 06:50:34PM +0200, Santiago Gala wrote: The reverse of this is that I don't often see Jakarta, Tomcat, Ant, Velocity, Xerces or Xalan referenced as Apache XXX. So, it looks like the people cannot stick two words together and still be a brand. Side Note: It reminds me of the GNU/Linux stuff (or even GNU Emacs). It simply doesn't stick. Much agreed, and ideally we could rebrand the HTTPD project as just that, 'HTTPD'. No Apache prefix, as you're right, none of the other projects use the Apache prefix (maybe because it's already taken by HTTPD?). I thought of proposing this rename to just HTTPD, but could see it getting even more backlash than the 'Apache' - 'Apache HTTPD' rename. If we went straight 'Apache' - 'HTTPD', then there'd be a hard conversion for, say, system admins scrolling through install screens (or the FreeBSD ports collection) looking for 'Apache 1.x/2.x' and not seeing anything. Think of all the confusion renaming something like 'apachectl' to 'httpdctl' or just 'httpd' would cause. In theory, I'm all for it, and the purist side of me really likes it, but I was trying to be a bit more pragmattic. With the 'Apache HTTPD' rename, I think it'd easier politically to get the change through in places like Redhat, FreeBSD ports collection, etc. I copy community (on political principles). If you want to raise awareness of such an Apache wide fact, don't do it in a java only place like Jakarta. Makes sense; I had forgotten this 'general' was at 'jakarta.apache.org' instead of just 'apache.org'. Actually, I think I'd like to get support for this before taking it to community. If people here at Jakarta don't want to go ahead with pursuing a rebranding effort, then I wouldn't bother raising it on community. Also, thinking about the strict 'Apache' - 'HTTPD' rename, just 'HTTPD' sounds rather clunky (to me, perhaps being naive). If the HTTPD community doesn't like being called just httpd, what if we did an even more drastic rename? A la the Mozilla Phoenix - Mozilla Firebird rename. It might actually work better, because if it's a bigger deal then just 'Apache' - 'Apache HTTPD', we could get lots of publicity on slashdot and other tech sites to inform end users of the change and hopefully avert some of the backlash on 'apache' no longer being in ports/installers/paths/etc. - Stephen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apache != HTTPD (was Issues with XMLBeans proposal)
Stephen Haberman wrote: Much agreed, and ideally we could rebrand the HTTPD project as just that, 'HTTPD'. No Apache prefix, as you're right, none of the other projects use the Apache prefix (maybe because it's already taken by HTTPD?). Wasn't that the name of the original NCSA web server? Erik - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [i18n] Internationalization subproject sponsor?
Once you start getting into a list like this you must consider the IBM ICU project, which tackles these kind of issues. (note, I haven't used ICU). Stephen - Original Message - From: J.Pietschmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [i18n] Internationalization subproject sponsor? Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: many hardships which people in multi-byte area *must* undergo. *bg* http://www.pms.informatik.uni-muenchen.de/lehre/seminar/ internationalisation/02ss/reports-slides/topicK/all.htm (URL broken across line) gives an impression. Besides the more obvious: * Unicode Support * Collation * Number Formatting * Currency * Date and Time * BIDI and general writing mode support * Input Method Engines They even have * Measurement Scales * Paper Sizes * Color: Red + U.S. Meaning: Danger + Asian Countries: Happiness Good Luck Who'd think about that? Happy lobbying! J.Pietschmann - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Newslettter] Jakarta Newsletter Issue 9 -- May-June 2003
Jakarta Newsletter Issue 9 == Date: May-June 2003 Url: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news/200305.html It's been another good year at the JavaWorld Tools Awards [1] for Apache. Xerces2 Java Parser 2.4 from the Apache XML Project won the Best Java-XML Tool award and Apache Ant 1.5 developed by the Apache Ant Project won the Most Useful Java Community-Developed Technology. Good work! W3C has issued SOAP 1.2 as a recommendation. This means that the SOAP 1.2 specification is now (effectively) a web standard. Apache software related to SOAP can be found in the Web Services and XML projects. The press release is now available online [3]. This newsletter is the second wiki-built newsletter. See the http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?JakartaNewsletterDrafts for more details. Also, I sent the announcements to all the developers' list in jakarta. It was a bit annoying I suppose, however, this newsletter contains a lot of news from various projects, including Jakarta Related Projects. Note: Apache Ant, Avalon, James, Maven, Incubator, DB (OJB/TORQUE) are not subprojects under Apache Jakarta any longer, however, we really appreciate to hear the news from the Jakarta Related Projects. I strongly hope/believe this newsletter would be able to become one of the *liaison* for the various projects in ASF. I want to thank those who contributed and hope that you enjoy the read. If you would like to comment further on any of the highlighted discussions then please do so on the appropriate list [4], if you want to comment on the newsletter itself then please point your comments to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with [NEWSLETTER] prefixed subject. [1] - http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-06-2003/jw-0609-eca.html [2] - http://xml.apache.org/xerces2-j/index.html [3] - http://www.w3.org/2003/06/soap12-pressrelease [4] - http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html Editor: Tetsuya Kitahata Special Thanks: Robert Burrel Donkin Contents Jakarta General Jakarta Commons General Jakarta Commons EL Jakarta Commons FileUpload Jakarta Commons DBCP Jakarta Commons HttpClient Jakarta Commons Lang Jakarta Commons Math Jakarta Jetspeed Jakarta JMeter Jakarta Log4j Jakarta Lucene Jakarta Poi Jakarta Struts Jakarta Tapestry Jakarta Tomcat Jakarta Turbine Jakarta Velocity Apache Ant Project Apache Avalon Fortress Apache DB OJB Apache Httpd WebServer Project Apache James Project New Committers Products avaliable as of the end of June, 2003 -- Jakarta General === Ideas, suggestions, and comments on the overall Jakarta project Editor: Tetsuya Kitahata Discussions on general mailing list have been fairly light-weight these 2 months. The Main page of the Jakarta Site has been updated in order to arrange the Jakarta-Related projects properly. Now, Jakarta website has renewed to become one of the most powerful Java-Portal sites. The JavaOne Conference was held in June, and there seemed many atendees from jakarta participants. As Sun Microsystems set up the http://java.net/ site, there was alot of talk surrounding this issue. Jakarta Tapestry, which had been longed to become a Top Project in Jakarta, finally joined in the Jakarta Umbrella in May. The first proposal was made at General Mailing List in October last year by Howard M. Lewis Ship, so it took about a half year. We look forward to the Tapestry Team playing a more active part in Jakarta. -- Jakarta Commons General === creating and maintaining reusable Java components Editor: Robert Burrel Donkin, Tetsuya Kitahata An OnJava Article [1] covering the components in Jakarta Commons [2] has been published. If you've ever wondered about what's all these components do, this is a good place to start. Due to the diverse nature of the commons group, this section has been split up to make it easier to pick out the topics of interest. These months' stories come from the following: [1] - http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2003/06/25/commons.html [2] - http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/ Jakarta Commons EL == Editor: Robert Burrel Donkin The Commons Team is pleased to announce the 1.0 release of commons-EL. EL is the JSP 2.0 Expression Language Interpreter from Apache For more information see the EL component home page [1]. [1] - http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/el.html Jakarta Commons FileUpload == Editor: Robert Burrel Donkin The Commons Team is pleased to announce the long-awaited release of commons-fileupload 1.0. Good work Martin!
