[Newslettter] Jakarta Newsletter Issue 9 -- May-June 2003
Jakarta Newsletter Issue 9 == Date: May-June 2003 Url: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news/200305.html It's been another good year at the JavaWorld Tools Awards [1] for Apache. Xerces2 Java Parser 2.4 from the Apache XML Project won the Best Java-XML Tool award and Apache Ant 1.5 developed by the Apache Ant Project won the Most Useful Java Community-Developed Technology. Good work! W3C has issued SOAP 1.2 as a recommendation. This means that the SOAP 1.2 specification is now (effectively) a web standard. Apache software related to SOAP can be found in the Web Services and XML projects. The press release is now available online [3]. This newsletter is the second wiki-built newsletter. See the http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?JakartaNewsletterDrafts for more details. Also, I sent the announcements to all the developers' list in jakarta. It was a bit annoying I suppose, however, this newsletter contains a lot of news from various projects, including Jakarta Related Projects. Note: Apache Ant, Avalon, James, Maven, Incubator, DB (OJB/TORQUE) are not subprojects under Apache Jakarta any longer, however, we really appreciate to hear the news from the Jakarta Related Projects. I strongly hope/believe this "newsletter" would be able to become one of the *liaison* for the various projects in ASF. I want to thank those who contributed and hope that you enjoy the read. If you would like to comment further on any of the highlighted discussions then please do so on the appropriate list [4], if you want to comment on the newsletter itself then please point your comments to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with [NEWSLETTER] prefixed subject. [1] - http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-06-2003/jw-0609-eca.html [2] - http://xml.apache.org/xerces2-j/index.html [3] - http://www.w3.org/2003/06/soap12-pressrelease [4] - http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html Editor: Tetsuya Kitahata Special Thanks: Robert Burrel Donkin Contents Jakarta General Jakarta Commons General Jakarta Commons EL Jakarta Commons FileUpload Jakarta Commons DBCP Jakarta Commons HttpClient Jakarta Commons Lang Jakarta Commons Math Jakarta Jetspeed Jakarta JMeter Jakarta Log4j Jakarta Lucene Jakarta Poi Jakarta Struts Jakarta Tapestry Jakarta Tomcat Jakarta Turbine Jakarta Velocity Apache Ant Project Apache Avalon Fortress Apache DB OJB Apache Httpd WebServer Project Apache James Project New Committers Products avaliable as of the end of June, 2003 -- Jakarta General === " Ideas, suggestions, and comments on the overall Jakarta project " Editor: Tetsuya Kitahata Discussions on general mailing list have been fairly light-weight these 2 months. The Main page of the Jakarta Site has been updated in order to arrange the "Jakarta-Related" projects properly. Now, Jakarta website has renewed to become one of the most powerful "Java-Portal" sites. The JavaOne Conference was held in June, and there seemed many atendees from jakarta participants. As Sun Microsystems set up the http://java.net/ site, there was alot of talk surrounding this issue. Jakarta Tapestry, which had been longed to become a Top Project in Jakarta, finally joined in the Jakarta Umbrella in May. The first proposal was made at General Mailing List in October last year by Howard M. Lewis Ship, so it took about a half year. We look forward to the Tapestry Team playing a more active part in Jakarta. -- Jakarta Commons General === " creating and maintaining reusable Java components " Editor: Robert Burrel Donkin, Tetsuya Kitahata An OnJava Article [1] covering the components in Jakarta Commons [2] has been published. If you've ever wondered about what's all these components do, this is a good place to start. Due to the diverse nature of the commons group, this section has been split up to make it easier to pick out the topics of interest. These months' stories come from the following: [1] - http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2003/06/25/commons.html [2] - http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/ Jakarta Commons EL == Editor: Robert Burrel Donkin The Commons Team is pleased to announce the 1.0 release of commons-EL. EL is the JSP 2.0 Expression Language Interpreter from Apache For more information see the EL component home page [1]. [1] - http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/el.html Jakarta Commons FileUpload == Editor: Robert Burrel Donkin The Commons Team is pleased to announce the long-awaited release of commons-fileupload 1.0. Good wor
Re: [i18n] Internationalization subproject sponsor?
Once you start getting into a list like this you must consider the IBM ICU project, which tackles these kind of issues. (note, I haven't used ICU). Stephen - Original Message - From: "J.Pietschmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jakarta General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [i18n] Internationalization subproject sponsor? > Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: > > many hardships which people in multi-byte area *must* undergo. > > *bg* > http://www.pms.informatik.uni-muenchen.de/lehre/seminar/ >internationalisation/02ss/reports-slides/topicK/all.htm > (URL broken across line) > gives an impression. Besides the more obvious: > * Unicode Support > * Collation > * Number Formatting > * Currency > * Date and Time > * BIDI and general writing mode support > * Input Method Engines > They even have > * Measurement Scales > * Paper Sizes > * Color: Red > + U.S. Meaning: Danger > + Asian Countries: Happiness & Good Luck > Who'd think about that? > > Happy lobbying! > > J.Pietschmann > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [i18n] Internationalization subproject sponsor?
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: many hardships which people in multi-byte area *must* undergo. *bg* http://www.pms.informatik.uni-muenchen.de/lehre/seminar/ internationalisation/02ss/reports-slides/topicK/all.htm (URL broken across line) gives an impression. Besides the more obvious: * Unicode Support * Collation * Number Formatting * Currency * Date and Time * BIDI and general writing mode support * Input Method Engines They even have * Measurement Scales * Paper Sizes * Color: Red + U.S. Meaning: Danger + Asian Countries: Happiness & Good Luck Who'd think about that? Happy lobbying! J.Pietschmann - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apache != HTTPD (was Issues with XMLBeans proposal)
Erik Price escribió: Stephen Haberman wrote: Much agreed, and ideally we could rebrand the HTTPD project as just that, 'HTTPD'. No Apache prefix, as you're right, none of the other projects use the Apache prefix (maybe because it's already taken by HTTPD?). Wasn't that the name of the original NCSA web server? True, and when heavily patched, it became "A-patchy HTTPD", or so the legend says. http://www.ecn.purdue.edu/~laird/thoughts/Apache_intro.html http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/00mar/2330.html Erik - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Santiago Gala High Sierra Technology, S.L. (http://hisitech.com) http://memojo.com?page=SantiagoGalaBlog - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apache != HTTPD (was Issues with XMLBeans proposal)
Stephen Haberman wrote: Much agreed, and ideally we could rebrand the HTTPD project as just that, 'HTTPD'. No Apache prefix, as you're right, none of the other projects use the Apache prefix (maybe because it's already taken by HTTPD?). Wasn't that the name of the original NCSA web server? Erik - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apache != HTTPD (was Issues with XMLBeans proposal)
On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 06:50:34PM +0200, Santiago Gala wrote: > The reverse of this is that I don't often see Jakarta, Tomcat, > Ant, Velocity, Xerces or Xalan referenced as Apache XXX. So, it > looks like the people cannot stick two words together and still be > a brand. > > Side Note: It reminds me of the GNU/Linux stuff (or even GNU > Emacs). It simply doesn't stick. Much agreed, and ideally we could rebrand the HTTPD project as just that, 'HTTPD'. No Apache prefix, as you're right, none of the other projects use the Apache prefix (maybe because it's already taken by HTTPD?). I thought of proposing this rename to just HTTPD, but could see it getting even more backlash than the 'Apache' -> 'Apache HTTPD' rename. If we went straight 'Apache' -> 'HTTPD', then there'd be a hard conversion for, say, system admins scrolling through install screens (or the FreeBSD ports collection) looking for 'Apache 1.x/2.x' and not seeing anything. Think of all the confusion renaming something like 'apachectl' to 'httpdctl' or just 'httpd' would cause. In theory, I'm all for it, and the purist side of me really likes it, but I was trying to be a bit more pragmattic. With the 'Apache HTTPD' rename, I think it'd easier politically to get the change through in places like Redhat, FreeBSD ports collection, etc. > I copy community (on political principles). If you want to raise > awareness of such an "Apache wide" fact, don't do it in a "java > only" place like Jakarta. Makes sense; I had forgotten this 'general' was at 'jakarta.apache.org' instead of just 'apache.org'. Actually, I think I'd like to get support for this before taking it to community. If people here at Jakarta don't want to go ahead with pursuing a rebranding effort, then I wouldn't bother raising it on community. Also, thinking about the strict 'Apache' -> 'HTTPD' rename, just 'HTTPD' sounds rather clunky (to me, perhaps being naive). If the HTTPD community doesn't like being called just httpd, what if we did an even more drastic rename? A la the Mozilla Phoenix -> Mozilla Firebird rename. It might actually work better, because if it's a bigger deal then just 'Apache' -> 'Apache HTTPD', we could get lots of publicity on slashdot and other tech sites to inform end users of the change and hopefully avert some of the backlash on 'apache' no longer being in ports/installers/paths/etc. - Stephen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [i18n] Internationalization subproject sponsor?
Andy, 1: Do you know the existence of http://httpd.apache.org/docs-project/ ? Is this outside of ASF? Doesn't this project have a concrete goal? 2: I did not mention any kind of "people sit around tables and make speeches"... it might be better to go to party@ or wherever... 3: Sure I mentioned "soft link" (symbolic link might be preferable), but it is not related to "soft" project. It's like uh ... jakarta-site module and jakarta-site2 module... what Andy taught me just a month ago. 4: IMHO: If the original proposal from Robert are missing in some points, it might be a good *task* for the committers/members to adjust/mold it to suit it to the whole benefits of the ASF. Internationalization (in various meanings) brings the prosperity to the ASF more and more, I am sure. APPENDIX: These kind of *gathering all the knowledge/translations from all over the world* bring immediate results to the logging packages/ portals etc., needless to say. Sincerely, -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 10:35:12 -0400 (Subject: Re: [i18n] Internationalization subproject sponsor?) "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Okay. if you had any troubles with this, please let me know. > I'd be against any project without concrete goals. "soft" projects > are best outside of apache in some kind of organization who has > meetings where people sit around tables and make speeches... The goal > should reflect some kind of strong concrete goal. - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ (Apache Jakarta Translation, Japanese) http://jakarta.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [vote] XMLBeans to enter XML incubation [was: Re: Vote for XMLBeansproposal in the XML Project (was RE: Vote for XMLBeans proposal)]
+1 I am planning to meet Cliff Schimdt in person at OSCon later this week. I will also be happy to be the official shepherd during incubation. Ted Berin Lautenbach wrote: +1. Subject to committer issues previously discussed being worked through in the incubator. Would it be worth each of the PMC reps putting this into the -dev lists? Am not sure if all committers are subscribed to general@ and it might make the logistics a bit easier? Am happy to help out on the logistics side, and I think Ted has also indicated he is happy to be the official "shepherd". Cheers, Berin --- vote ballot -- Name: [ x ] I agree with and support this proposal (+1) [ ] Indifference (-1 < x < +1) [ ] I object and suggest a way to address my reservations (-1) -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [vote] XMLBeans to enter XML incubation [was: Re: Vote for XMLBeansproposal in the XML Project (was RE: Vote for XMLBeans proposal)]
Steven Noels wrote: Dear committers, as outlined in the xml.apache.org charter (section 6.2), and in collaboration with the Incubator (http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/incubator/STATUS?rev=HEAD) Subject to: - relicensing of the XMLBeans codebase using the ASL 1.1 license (http://xml.apache.org/LICENSE) - copyright transfer from BEA to the ASF as described in http://incubator.apache.org/process.html [1] - each initial XMLBeans committer sending in a Contributor's License Agreement (http://incubator.apache.org/forms/ASF_Contributor_License_2_form.pdf) - furthermore, I would strongly suggest the XMLBeans code should only be moved into Apache CVS once the outstanding LGPL & BEA-licensed code dependency issues have been resolved. Please cast your vote on the acceptance of the XMLBeans project for incubation in the XML.Apache project: --- vote ballot -- Name: [ ] I agree with and support this proposal (+1) +1 thanks, alek ([EMAIL PROTECTED], PMC memeber of Web Services) -- If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough. —Mario Andretti - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apache != HTTPD (was Issues with XMLBeans proposal)
Stephen Haberman escribió: On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 12:58:17AM -0700, Greg Stein wrote: I'd do it when they'll donate Python itself ;-) Does wishful thinking work? Believe me, I suggested that years ago. The Python Software Foundation was started instead (Dick Hardt and I crafted the PSF bylaws based on the ASF's bylaws). The main backers of a PSF effort thought that the ASF was still too confusingly tied to the Apache HTTP Server (despite my protests). I think if we asked again, today, that the answer would be that Apache stands for much more. But the PSF has got its own momentum now, so there wouldn't be much benefit for them to fold up and merge the Python assets into the ASF. I can understand that they think the general perception is that Apache == HTTPD. Perhaps measures are already in place to help educate people on the distinction, e.g. you think if Apache asked Python to merge with it again today, they would accept, but perhaps active marketting measures need to be taken to enhance/protect the Apache brand? Perhaps I'm getting too commercial or what not, but I've seen just 'Apache' in many places where they meant 'Apache HTTPD' so I can certainly understand the Python community's hestitation. E.g. the FreeBSD ports collection, the 'Powered by Apache 2.0' logo on my FreeBSD port-installed HTTPD server (is there a 2.0 version of the foundation?). Other things that come to mind are distro installers like RedHat, or even cygwin, let me install 'apache-xxx'. Even the Apache HTTPD FAQ, which I just checked to see how it handles the definitions, the first question, is: Q: "What is Apache?" A: "The Apache httpd server" The entire thing refers to "Apache" as synonymous for the HTTPD server project. And I'm sure this happens elsewhere on the net, as well. E.g. anytime a news site mentions it. Even slashdot had the other day 'Software Code Quality of Apache Analyzed', which was where some commercial code quality compared compared the HTTPD 2.0 code to some commercial web server. (The front page of the httpd.apache.org site also refers to itself as 'Apache HTTP Server', which is a little misleading, as there is another HTTP server, Tomcat, and you don't see it masquerading as the 'Apache HTTP Server' which it can claim, history of the HTTPD project asside, just as legitimately. Perhaps this opens up a can of political worms, but I think strictly branding HTTPD as HTTPD and not 'Apache' or even 'Apache HTTP Server' is a good idea.) The reverse of this is that I don't often see Jakarta, Tomcat, Ant, Velocity, Xerces or Xalan referenced as Apache XXX. So, it looks like the people cannot stick two words together and still be a brand. Side Note: It reminds me of the GNU/Linux stuff (or even GNU Emacs). It simply doesn't stick. I usually say: I work in Jetspeed, an Apache Jakarta project. But even so, people loose track easily. What if some one/a group of people were to form a watchdog group that would bring to the attention of people who get this wrong, e.g. news articles, older articles around the Apache/HTTPD site, the FreeBSD ports collection, the distro makers, etc., that they should infact use 'Apache HTTPD' instead of just 'Apache'. It might be good preparation for the next X project that comes along but still things the general public/developer things Apache == HTTPD (because they do, IMHO, even if it's better than before) and so we lose the opportunity. In the spirit of 'submit a patch,' I'd volunteer to at least be a part of this watchdog group; I'm a little leery of the political side of what it would take to get it formed and the respect for people to listen to it. But if people think its a good idea and higher ups in ASF like it, I'm willing to tag along and help out. I copy community (on political principles). If you want to raise awareness of such an "Apache wide" fact, don't do it in a "java only" place like Jakarta. - Stephen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Santiago Gala High Sierra Technology, S.L. (http://hisitech.com) http://memojo.com?page=SantiagoGalaBlog - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [i18n] Internationalization subproject sponsor?
Robert Simpson escribió: I also fear that if I go back to simply continuing the development of the code myself, that eventually the need in Jakarta will be recognized, but I will be too far along at that point to convert everything to it. Or worse yet, the need will be recognized at different times within each Jakarta subproject, resulting in each subproject doing internationalization their own way. Jetspeed is already using i18n (or is it l10n?) for most of its strings. We use the Turbine 2.2 localization service for client specific ResourceBundles lookup and caching. I think Tomcat has also some effort already done. The main problem I see in your proposal is not coding it, but getting any/some/most of the jakarta projects to use the code, and agree in ways to handle the files back and forth as the development process progresses. Also, I think this is not a pure java issue, and looking at it from the whole Apache might help (as the web sites and the project documents would also need translation effort). I think a project which would take care of document and/or Resource bundle translation, coordinated with each Apache project requiring so would be a great thing in terms of infrastructure. I cc: community for insight, since there is much more in Apache than jakarta (even in the java world, there is a lot of XML people working in java) Regards -- Santiago Gala High Sierra Technology, S.L. (http://hisitech.com) http://memojo.com?page=SantiagoGalaBlog - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Apache != HTTPD (was Issues with XMLBeans proposal)
On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 12:58:17AM -0700, Greg Stein wrote: > > I'd do it when they'll donate Python itself ;-) Does wishful > > thinking work? > > Believe me, I suggested that years ago. The Python Software > Foundation was started instead (Dick Hardt and I crafted the PSF > bylaws based on the ASF's bylaws). The main backers of a PSF > effort thought that the ASF was still too confusingly tied to the > Apache HTTP Server (despite my protests). I think if we asked > again, today, that the answer would be that Apache stands for much > more. But the PSF has got its own momentum now, so there wouldn't > be much benefit for them to fold up and merge the Python assets > into the ASF. I can understand that they think the general perception is that Apache == HTTPD. Perhaps measures are already in place to help educate people on the distinction, e.g. you think if Apache asked Python to merge with it again today, they would accept, but perhaps active marketting measures need to be taken to enhance/protect the Apache brand? Perhaps I'm getting too commercial or what not, but I've seen just 'Apache' in many places where they meant 'Apache HTTPD' so I can certainly understand the Python community's hestitation. E.g. the FreeBSD ports collection, the 'Powered by Apache 2.0' logo on my FreeBSD port-installed HTTPD server (is there a 2.0 version of the foundation?). Other things that come to mind are distro installers like RedHat, or even cygwin, let me install 'apache-xxx'. Even the Apache HTTPD FAQ, which I just checked to see how it handles the definitions, the first question, is: Q: "What is Apache?" A: "The Apache httpd server" The entire thing refers to "Apache" as synonymous for the HTTPD server project. And I'm sure this happens elsewhere on the net, as well. E.g. anytime a news site mentions it. Even slashdot had the other day 'Software Code Quality of Apache Analyzed', which was where some commercial code quality compared compared the HTTPD 2.0 code to some commercial web server. (The front page of the httpd.apache.org site also refers to itself as 'Apache HTTP Server', which is a little misleading, as there is another HTTP server, Tomcat, and you don't see it masquerading as the 'Apache HTTP Server' which it can claim, history of the HTTPD project asside, just as legitimately. Perhaps this opens up a can of political worms, but I think strictly branding HTTPD as HTTPD and not 'Apache' or even 'Apache HTTP Server' is a good idea.) What if some one/a group of people were to form a watchdog group that would bring to the attention of people who get this wrong, e.g. news articles, older articles around the Apache/HTTPD site, the FreeBSD ports collection, the distro makers, etc., that they should infact use 'Apache HTTPD' instead of just 'Apache'. It might be good preparation for the next X project that comes along but still things the general public/developer things Apache == HTTPD (because they do, IMHO, even if it's better than before) and so we lose the opportunity. In the spirit of 'submit a patch,' I'd volunteer to at least be a part of this watchdog group; I'm a little leery of the political side of what it would take to get it formed and the respect for people to listen to it. But if people think its a good idea and higher ups in ASF like it, I'm willing to tag along and help out. - Stephen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [i18n] Internationalization subproject sponsor?
> Okay. if you had any troubles with this, please let me know. > I'd be against any project without concrete goals. "soft" projects are best outside of apache in some kind of organization who has meetings where people sit around tables and make speeches... The goal should reflect some kind of strong concrete goal. > > Sincerely, > > -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Andrew C. Oliver http://www.superlinksoftware.com/poi.jsp Custom enhancements and Commercial Implementation for Jakarta POI http://jakarta.apache.org/poi For Java and Excel, Got POI? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [i18n] Internationalization subproject sponsor?
I'm not a managerexplain this in concrete terms... On 7/7/03 7:54 AM, "Robert Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Andrew, > > In one sentence, it "intends" to provide a framework for internationalization > of Java projects, within the Apache/Jakarta projects themselves and for users > of the Apache/Jakarta code outside Apache. > > I had started out trying to see where I could make use of the Jakarta code, > and eliminate duplication of effort on my part. But the one thing I ran into > was most of the Jakarta subprojects do not provide for internationalization, > which is a shame, because the Java SDK does quite a good job of providing > support for that. That might actually be a good thing, since there currently > is the opportunity to provide a framework for doing it in one place, rather > than having each subproject do it differently. > > Robert Simpson > > "Andrew C. Oliver" wrote: > >>> From the proposal I was not able to determine *what it intends to do*.. >> Besides that, the criteria for helping is IMHO a bit discouraging. Granted >> its hard to help if you've never been outside of Kansas, but maybe Dorothy >> darn tootin cares about i18n and wants to make sure that toto can use her >> application... Perhaps there is something left for her to do even if she >> only speaks 'merican. >> >> -Andy >> >> On 7/5/03 12:16 AM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Hello, Robert, >>> >>> >>> Personally, I am interested in this project, but I am not a *member* >>> in ASF. (Just a *committer* in jakarta) >>> How about posting your message to >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> ?? >>> (subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) >>> Maybe, you can find the ASF *member* outside of jakarta. >>> >>> Here's a list of the number of *committer* and *member* in ASF umbrella >>> ( Originally created by Steven Noels) >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Amount of committers: 677 >>> >>> "Name","committers","members" >>> "ant","34","8" >>> "apr","42","32" >>> "avalon","80","15" >>> "cocoon","60","14" >>> "commons","10","10" >>> "db","35","9" >>> "embperl","13","6" >>> "httpd","145","111" >>> "incubator","26","12" >>> "jakarta","314","35" >>> "james","13","3" >>> "java","7","1" >>> "maven","25","4" >>> "mod_dtcl","9","4" >>> "modperl","18","7" >>> "tcl","9","4" >>> "ws","86","11" >>> "xml","259","28" >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> There are only 35 potential "Mentor"s (I mean, sponsors) in jakarta, as >>> you can see. If you are confident you can build a powerful community, >>> IMHO you do not have to stick to seek the Mentor in jakarta. >>> >>> I hope this mail might help you to some extent. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) >>> >>> - >>> >>> On 3 Jul 2003 15:23:10 - >>> (Subject: [i18n] Internationalization subproject sponsor?) >>> Robert Simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> To current members of the Jakarta project: Is there any current member of the Jakarta project who would be interested in sponsoring the entry of the Internationalization subproject into the incubator? The Internationalization subproject would be somewhat different than the other Jakarta projects in that there would be two types of contributors: 1. the (traditional) code contributors 2. the language translation contributors So far, the reponses I have received regarding people would would be interested in contributing have all been outside Jakarta - mostly language translators. Since the Internationalization subproject would most likely fit into the Jakarta project, it would help to have a sponsor from within Jakarta, per the "Incubation Process" documentation. The subproject proposal and initial code contribution can be found earlier in the Jakarta General mailing list, or here: http://www.itoolset.com/i18n/PROPOSAL.html Without a sponsor, I will probably move the code that was extracted in preparation for submission to Apache back into the iToolSet package hierarchy and let it pass as an Apache contribution until there is more interest in a common Internationalization architecture within Apache itself. Thanks in advance. Robert Simpson - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> - >>> Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. >>> E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> http://www.terra-intl.com/ >>> (Apache Jakarta Translation, Japanese) >>> http://jakarta.terra-intl.com/ >>> >>> >>>
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Re: [vote] XMLBeans to enter XML incubation [was: Re: Vote forXMLBeans proposal in the XML Project (was RE: Vote for XMLBeans proposal)]
> > Please cast your vote on the acceptance of the XMLBeans project for > > incubation in the XML.Apache project: > > > > [ ] I agree with and support this proposal (+1) +1 Tom Copeland (Maven) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [vote] XMLBeans to enter XML incubation [was: Re: Vote for XMLBeansproposal in the XML Project (was RE: Vote for XMLBeans proposal)]
Steven Noels wrote: Dear committers, Please cast your vote on the acceptance of the XMLBeans project for incubation in the XML.Apache project: [ ] I agree with and support this proposal (+1) +1 Vadim (Jakarta/XML/Cocoon) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [vote] XMLBeans to enter XML incubation [was: Re: Vote forXMLBeans proposal in the XML Project (was RE: Vote for XMLBeans proposal)]
+1 Dave Apache Axis committer Tom Jordahl wrote: > +1 > > -- > Tom Jordahl > Apache Axis committer > > -Original Message- > From: Steven Noels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 6:17 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [vote] XMLBeans to enter XML incubation [was: Re: Vote for XMLBeans > proposal in the XML Project (was RE: Vote for XMLBeans proposal)] > > On 8/07/2003 9:29 Cliff Schmidt wrote: > > > On behalf of the other committers, I would like to ask the XML PMC to > > consider accepting XMLBeans into the XML project. We expect to address > > any remaining concerns that the community has during the incubation > > period. > > Dear committers, > > as outlined in the xml.apache.org charter (section 6.2), and in > collaboration with the Incubator > (http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/incubator/STATUS?rev=HEAD) > > Subject to: > > - relicensing of the XMLBeans codebase using the ASL 1.1 license > (http://xml.apache.org/LICENSE) > - copyright transfer from BEA to the ASF as described in > http://incubator.apache.org/process.html [1] > - each initial XMLBeans committer sending in a Contributor's License > Agreement > (http://incubator.apache.org/forms/ASF_Contributor_License_2_form.pdf) > - furthermore, I would strongly suggest the XMLBeans code should only > be moved into Apache CVS once the outstanding LGPL & BEA-licensed code > dependency issues have been resolved. > > Please cast your vote on the acceptance of the XMLBeans project for > incubation in the XML.Apache project: > > --- vote ballot -- > >Name: > >[ ] I agree with and support this proposal (+1) >[ ] Indifference (-1 < x < +1) >[ ] I object and suggest a way to address my reservations (-1) > > -- > > --- 8< --- 8< --- 8< --- > > If the outcome of this vote is positive and CLA forms are collected, > work can start on creating the necessary infrastructure resources. I'm > on holiday from the 12th until the 26th of July and won't be able to > help out coordination-wise, but here's a quick list of the top of my head: > > - collection and creation of initial committer accounts, using the > following template: > > -- > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Apache account requests for XMLBeans project incubation > > > Full name:... > Preferred userid: ... > Forwarding email address: ... > Unix group: xml > > -- > > - creation of xml-xmlbeans CVS module > - also configure in ViewCVS > - commit mails -> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - add initial committers to the avail list > > - mailing lists: > - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - .qmail-xml-xmlbeans-cvs forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - list archiving: > - mbox -> xml.apache.org/mail > - Eyebrowse setup > > - Bugzilla project creation and set up of notification mails > > - grant some committers access to xml-site module for website content > > - setup automated checkout of xml-site/targets/xml-beans on daedalus > for website (or give someone access to daedalus for manual website > publication) > > - send a big thank you to infrastructure@ > > That's about all I can think of ATM. > > > > __ > [1] IIRC, there was a form for this as well, but I cannot locate it anymore > > -- > Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ > Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center > Read my weblog athttp://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/ > stevenn at outerthought.orgstevenn at apache.org -- Sonic Software - Changing the Economics of Integration -- David Chappell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Office: (781)999-7099 Mobile: (617)510-6566 Vice President and Chief Technology Evangelist Technology Advancement Group, Sonic Software co-author,"Java Web Services" (O'Reilly), "The Java Message Service" (O'Reilly), "Professional ebXML Foundations", (Wrox Press) -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [vote] XMLBeans to enter XML incubation [was: Re: Vote for XMLBeans proposal in the XML Project (was RE: Vote for XMLBeans proposal)]
+1 -- Tom Jordahl Apache Axis committer -Original Message- From: Steven Noels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 6:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [vote] XMLBeans to enter XML incubation [was: Re: Vote for XMLBeans proposal in the XML Project (was RE: Vote for XMLBeans proposal)] On 8/07/2003 9:29 Cliff Schmidt wrote: > On behalf of the other committers, I would like to ask the XML PMC to > consider accepting XMLBeans into the XML project. We expect to address > any remaining concerns that the community has during the incubation > period. Dear committers, as outlined in the xml.apache.org charter (section 6.2), and in collaboration with the Incubator (http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/incubator/STATUS?rev=HEAD) Subject to: - relicensing of the XMLBeans codebase using the ASL 1.1 license (http://xml.apache.org/LICENSE) - copyright transfer from BEA to the ASF as described in http://incubator.apache.org/process.html [1] - each initial XMLBeans committer sending in a Contributor's License Agreement (http://incubator.apache.org/forms/ASF_Contributor_License_2_form.pdf) - furthermore, I would strongly suggest the XMLBeans code should only be moved into Apache CVS once the outstanding LGPL & BEA-licensed code dependency issues have been resolved. Please cast your vote on the acceptance of the XMLBeans project for incubation in the XML.Apache project: --- vote ballot -- Name: [ ] I agree with and support this proposal (+1) [ ] Indifference (-1 < x < +1) [ ] I object and suggest a way to address my reservations (-1) -- --- 8< --- 8< --- 8< --- If the outcome of this vote is positive and CLA forms are collected, work can start on creating the necessary infrastructure resources. I'm on holiday from the 12th until the 26th of July and won't be able to help out coordination-wise, but here's a quick list of the top of my head: - collection and creation of initial committer accounts, using the following template: -- To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Apache account requests for XMLBeans project incubation Full name:... Preferred userid: ... Forwarding email address: ... Unix group: xml -- - creation of xml-xmlbeans CVS module - also configure in ViewCVS - commit mails -> [EMAIL PROTECTED] - add initial committers to the avail list - mailing lists: - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - .qmail-xml-xmlbeans-cvs forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - list archiving: - mbox -> xml.apache.org/mail - Eyebrowse setup - Bugzilla project creation and set up of notification mails - grant some committers access to xml-site module for website content - setup automated checkout of xml-site/targets/xml-beans on daedalus for website (or give someone access to daedalus for manual website publication) - send a big thank you to infrastructure@ That's about all I can think of ATM. __ [1] IIRC, there was a form for this as well, but I cannot locate it anymore -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center Read my weblog athttp://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/ stevenn at outerthought.orgstevenn at apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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tetsuya 2003/07/08 06:26:56 Modified:docs/site/news 200305.html xdocs/site/news 200305.xml Log: Jakarta Newsletter Issue 9 Arrived: Fixed some. Revision ChangesPath 1.4 +11 -9 jakarta-site2/docs/site/news/200305.html Index: 200305.html === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/docs/site/news/200305.html,v retrieving revision 1.3 retrieving revision 1.4 diff -u -r1.3 -r1.4 --- 200305.html 8 Jul 2003 10:43:29 - 1.3 +++ 200305.html 8 Jul 2003 13:26:55 - 1.4 @@ -188,14 +188,16 @@ W3C has issued SOAP 1.2 as a recommendation. This means that the SOAP 1.2 specification is now (effectively) a web standard. Apache software related to SOAP can be found in the http://ws.apache.org/";>Web Services and http://xml.apache.org/";>XML projects. The press release is http://www.w3.org/2003/06/soap12-pressrelease";>here. -As always, I want to thank those who contributed and hope that -you enjoy the read. If you would like to comment further on any of -the -highlighted discussions then please do so on the http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html";>appropriate -list, if you -want to comment on the newsletter itself then please point your -comments to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]. -Editor: Tetsuya Kitahata, Rovert Burrel Donkin + + This newsletter is the second wiki-built newsletter. See the http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?JakartaNewsletterDrafts";>http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?JakartaNewsletterDrafts for more details. Also, I sent the announcements to all the developers' list in jakarta. It was a bit annoying I suppose, however, this newsletter contains a lot of news from various projects, including Jakarta Related Projects. + + +Note: +Apache Ant, Avalon, James, Maven, Incubator, DB (OJB/TORQUE) are not subprojects under Apache Jakarta any longer, however, we really appreciate to hear the news from the Jakarta Related Projects. I strongly hope/believe this "newsletter" would be able to become one of the *liaison* for the various projects in ASF. + +As always, I want to thank those who contributed and hope that you enjoy the read. If you would like to comment further on any of the highlighted discussions then please do so on the http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html";>appropriate list, if you want to comment on the newsletter itself then please point your comments to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]. +Editor: Tetsuya Kitahata +Special Thanks: Robert Burrel Donkin @@ -1582,7 +1584,7 @@ - Jakarta Related + Jakarta Related Projects 1.4 +11 -11jakarta-site2/xdocs/site/news/200305.xml Index: 200305.xml === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/xdocs/site/news/200305.xml,v retrieving revision 1.3 retrieving revision 1.4 diff -u -r1.3 -r1.4 --- 200305.xml8 Jul 2003 10:43:29 - 1.3 +++ 200305.xml8 Jul 2003 13:26:56 - 1.4 @@ -55,16 +55,16 @@ W3C has issued SOAP 1.2 as a recommendation. This means that the SOAP 1.2 specification is now (effectively) a web standard. Apache software related to SOAP can be found in the http://ws.apache.org/";>Web Services and http://xml.apache.org/";>XML projects. The press release is http://www.w3.org/2003/06/soap12-pressrelease";>here. -As always, I want to thank those who contributed and hope that -you enjoy the read. If you would like to comment further on any of -the -highlighted discussions then please do so on the http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html";>appropriate -list, if you -want to comment on the newsletter itself then please point your -comments to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]. -Editor: Tetsuya Kitahata, Rovert Burrel Donkin + + This newsletter is the second wiki-built newsletter. See the http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?JakartaNewsletterDrafts";>http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?JakartaNewsletterDrafts for more details. Also, I sent the announcements to all the developers' list in jakarta. It was a bit annoying I suppose, however, this newsletter
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Re: [vote] XMLBeans to enter XML incubation [was: Re: Vote for XMLBeans proposal in the XML Project (was RE: Vote for XMLBeans proposal)]
+1 --- Steven Noels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 8/07/2003 9:29 Cliff Schmidt wrote: > > > On behalf of the other committers, I would like to ask the XML PMC to > > consider accepting XMLBeans into the XML project. We expect to address > > any remaining concerns that the community has during the incubation > > period. > > Dear committers, > > as outlined in the xml.apache.org charter (section 6.2), and in > collaboration with the Incubator > (http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/incubator/STATUS?rev=HEAD) > > Subject to: > > - relicensing of the XMLBeans codebase using the ASL 1.1 license > (http://xml.apache.org/LICENSE) > - copyright transfer from BEA to the ASF as described in > http://incubator.apache.org/process.html [1] > - each initial XMLBeans committer sending in a Contributor's License > Agreement > (http://incubator.apache.org/forms/ASF_Contributor_License_2_form.pdf) > - furthermore, I would strongly suggest the XMLBeans code should only > be moved into Apache CVS once the outstanding LGPL & BEA-licensed code > dependency issues have been resolved. > > Please cast your vote on the acceptance of the XMLBeans project for > incubation in the XML.Apache project: > > --- vote ballot -- > >Name: > >[ ] I agree with and support this proposal (+1) >[ ] Indifference (-1 < x < +1) >[ ] I object and suggest a way to address my reservations (-1) > > -- > > --- 8< --- 8< --- 8< --- > > If the outcome of this vote is positive and CLA forms are collected, > work can start on creating the necessary infrastructure resources. I'm > on holiday from the 12th until the 26th of July and won't be able to > help out coordination-wise, but here's a quick list of the top of my head: > > - collection and creation of initial committer accounts, using the > following template: > > -- > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Apache account requests for XMLBeans project incubation > > > Full name:... > Preferred userid: ... > Forwarding email address: ... > Unix group: xml > > -- > > - creation of xml-xmlbeans CVS module > - also configure in ViewCVS > - commit mails -> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - add initial committers to the avail list > > - mailing lists: > - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - .qmail-xml-xmlbeans-cvs forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - list archiving: > - mbox -> xml.apache.org/mail > - Eyebrowse setup > > - Bugzilla project creation and set up of notification mails > > - grant some committers access to xml-site module for website content > > - setup automated checkout of xml-site/targets/xml-beans on daedalus > for website (or give someone access to daedalus for manual website > publication) > > - send a big thank you to infrastructure@ > > That's about all I can think of ATM. > > > > __ > [1] IIRC, there was a form for this as well, but I cannot locate it anymore > > -- > Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ > Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center > Read my weblog athttp://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/ > stevenn at outerthought.orgstevenn at apache.org > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > = Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/ __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[vote] XMLBeans to enter XML incubation [was: Re: Vote for XMLBeansproposal in the XML Project (was RE: Vote for XMLBeans proposal)]
On 8/07/2003 9:29 Cliff Schmidt wrote: On behalf of the other committers, I would like to ask the XML PMC to consider accepting XMLBeans into the XML project. We expect to address any remaining concerns that the community has during the incubation period. Dear committers, as outlined in the xml.apache.org charter (section 6.2), and in collaboration with the Incubator (http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/incubator/STATUS?rev=HEAD) Subject to: - relicensing of the XMLBeans codebase using the ASL 1.1 license (http://xml.apache.org/LICENSE) - copyright transfer from BEA to the ASF as described in http://incubator.apache.org/process.html [1] - each initial XMLBeans committer sending in a Contributor's License Agreement (http://incubator.apache.org/forms/ASF_Contributor_License_2_form.pdf) - furthermore, I would strongly suggest the XMLBeans code should only be moved into Apache CVS once the outstanding LGPL & BEA-licensed code dependency issues have been resolved. Please cast your vote on the acceptance of the XMLBeans project for incubation in the XML.Apache project: --- vote ballot -- Name: [ ] I agree with and support this proposal (+1) [ ] Indifference (-1 < x < +1) [ ] I object and suggest a way to address my reservations (-1) -- --- 8< --- 8< --- 8< --- If the outcome of this vote is positive and CLA forms are collected, work can start on creating the necessary infrastructure resources. I'm on holiday from the 12th until the 26th of July and won't be able to help out coordination-wise, but here's a quick list of the top of my head: - collection and creation of initial committer accounts, using the following template: -- To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Apache account requests for XMLBeans project incubation Full name:... Preferred userid: ... Forwarding email address: ... Unix group: xml -- - creation of xml-xmlbeans CVS module - also configure in ViewCVS - commit mails -> [EMAIL PROTECTED] - add initial committers to the avail list - mailing lists: - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - .qmail-xml-xmlbeans-cvs forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - list archiving: - mbox -> xml.apache.org/mail - Eyebrowse setup - Bugzilla project creation and set up of notification mails - grant some committers access to xml-site module for website content - setup automated checkout of xml-site/targets/xml-beans on daedalus for website (or give someone access to daedalus for manual website publication) - send a big thank you to infrastructure@ That's about all I can think of ATM. __ [1] IIRC, there was a form for this as well, but I cannot locate it anymore -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center Read my weblog athttp://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/ stevenn at outerthought.orgstevenn at apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Issues with XMLBeans proposal
Greg Stein wrote, On 08/07/2003 9.58: On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 08:43:36AM +0200, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Greg Stein wrote, On 04/07/2003 1.24: ... Agreed. That's what I was trying to say, and my read on the board.. ... You guys are misconstruing my statements. Greg, I'm trying to explain in my own words what you have said. I agree with you :-) And no, Jakarta is not just about "server side Java", when you look at things like Gump, Regexp, Taglibs, etc. +1 When Grisha Trubetskoy wanted to contribute mod_python to the ASF, a good number of people called for creating a 'python' TLP. I'd do it when they'll donate Python itself ;-) Does wishful thinking work? Believe me, I suggested that years ago. The Python Software Foundation was started instead (Dick Hardt and I crafted the PSF bylaws based on the ASF's bylaws). The main backers of a PSF effort thought that the ASF was still too confusingly tied to the Apache HTTP Server (despite my protests). I think if we asked again, today, that the answer would be that Apache stands for much more. But the PSF has got its own momentum now, so there wouldn't be much benefit for them to fold up and merge the Python assets into the ASF. Thanks for the explanation :-) Why not add them as a "sister project"? . (No replies necessary here, the "sister project" idea has some tangled implications with another discussion, but you can still read it with your Pythonic hat on ;-) -- Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] - verba volant, scripta manent - (discussions get forgotten, just code remains) - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Issues with XMLBeans proposal
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 10:12:17PM -0400, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > On 7/3/03 7:24 PM, "Greg Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> 3. Jakarta - IMHO this the best place for it. > >> > >> The division of XML vs Jakarta predates me for certain, but I think the main > >> issues surrounding that are rusty. > > > > The problem is Jakarta itself. Centering a PMC around a *language* rather > > than functionality is the inherent problem. These questions will continue to > > arise over and over. > > What's done is done. As a Jakarta committer I always feel like the guy > wearing a "I'm here I'm queer deal with it" shirt at a Republican National > Convention. Heh :-) Oh, what was done [Jakarta] was done *very well*. Don't get me wrong on that. I'm simply trying to point out that a language-oriented PMC is going to continue to cause decision-making problems like this. Am I suggesting unwinding Jakarta *because* it is language-oriented? Not at all. I *would* like to see more TLPs spin out of Jakarta, though. The Board doesn't have near enough insight into the major Jakarta projects: Tomcat, Struts, Turbine, Velocity, Gump, etc. > > When Grisha Trubetskoy wanted to contribute mod_python to the ASF, a good > > number of people called for creating a 'python' TLP. The Board decided to > > stop perpetrating the per-language concept. Instead, mod_python was added to > > the Apache HTTP Server Project (it *is* a module for Apache httpd, after > > all). mod_php, mod_perl, and mod_tcl fall under the same argument, of > > course, but they get a Grandfather Pass :-) > > I'm getting de ja vu... You don't like this community. I get it... I'll > file this on the appropriate file system for such information. So Jakarta > is the grandfather of them all... Etc etc Feh. I didn't say that, and you know it :-) The community is just fine and has done great stuff. I think the language focus of the Jakarta, Perl, PHP, and TCL TLPs is the wrong axis for slicing up where to put codebases. I also think Jakarta is "too big" and needs to spin out some TLPs. But "don't like this community" ?!?! Hah. >... > I agree. The question for them: "Are you a good witch or a bad witch?" ;-) Euh... :-) Cheers, -g -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... ASF Chairman ... http://www.apache.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Issues with XMLBeans proposal
On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 08:43:36AM +0200, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: > Greg Stein wrote, On 04/07/2003 1.24: > >On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 04:22:10PM -0400, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > > > >>... > >>1. Top level project - IMHO this isn't big enough and you don't have the > >>open source experience or robust community to pull that off (not intended > >>to > >>be a criticism) > > > >There is no size minimum for a TLP, but I believe the Board would want to > >see the PMC has more direct experience at the ASF. So yes, I don't see that > >the Board would approve constructing a new PMC for this. > > As incubation goes, making a project a TLP right away is a *major* > problem. If it isn't already a big and stable project with knowledge of > Apache rules and a big sane OS community around it, I really prefer it > to be under another PMC that can do the "practical" part of the incubation. Agreed. That's what I was trying to say, and my read on the board. >... > At that time it made sense. Java is not only a language, and is so > separated from other environments, that it was IMHO the only way of > aggregating enough resources to launch something out of it. > > But things that go well one time (and Jakarta has been a major success), > don't necessarily go well the second. You guys are misconstruing my statements. The language focus of Jakarta creates an inherent problem in deciding where to put anything that happens to be written in Java. There isn't anything wrong with Jakarta (other than its size, imo), and the decision to create it in the first place was quite proper. And no, Jakarta is not just about "server side Java", when you look at things like Gump, Regexp, Taglibs, etc. > >When Grisha Trubetskoy wanted to contribute mod_python to the ASF, a good > >number of people called for creating a 'python' TLP. > > I'd do it when they'll donate Python itself ;-) > Does wishful thinking work? Believe me, I suggested that years ago. The Python Software Foundation was started instead (Dick Hardt and I crafted the PSF bylaws based on the ASF's bylaws). The main backers of a PSF effort thought that the ASF was still too confusingly tied to the Apache HTTP Server (despite my protests). I think if we asked again, today, that the answer would be that Apache stands for much more. But the PSF has got its own momentum now, so there wouldn't be much benefit for them to fold up and merge the Python assets into the ASF. Cheers, -g -- Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Vote for XMLBeans proposal in the XML Project (was RE: Vote for XMLBeans proposal)
On behalf of the other committers, I would like to ask the XML PMC to consider accepting XMLBeans into the XML project. We expect to address any remaining concerns that the community has during the incubation period. For your convenience, I've listed several references, including the proposal (updated for XML only) [1], roadmap [2], detailed explanation [3], and my response to the first set of questions [4]. Due to the Java/XML nature of the code, we originally thought it was best to approach both Jakarta and XML. While we are thrilled to have received positive responses from both communities, we now feel that XML is the more appropriate project for the following reasons: 1. XMLBeans is targeted towards XML developers. We hope to build a stronger community by finding more potential users and contributors within the XML project. 2. XMLBeans is extremely focused on 100% compliance with XMLSchema. 3. XMLBeans either overlaps or complements XML subprojects like Xerces, WS subprojects like AXIS, and proposed subprojects like JaxMe and the Schema API. While there is also some overlap with Jakarta commons subprojects like Betwixt, we believe the XML project is the optimal location to address all of these issues. If the XML PMC agrees to support XMLBeans, we would still think it will be necessary to work closely with the Jakarta community. While we have a couple loose ends to tie up to get the code completely buildable without any dependencies on LGPL or other WebLogic APIs, we are otherwise ready to get started at any point. Thanks, Cliff [1] http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?XmlBeansProposal [2] http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?XmlBeansRoadMap [3] http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?XmlBeansExplanation [4] http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL PROTECTED]&msgNo=572 On Monday, July 07, 2003 12:55 AM, Cliff Schmidt wrote: > Subject: RE: Vote for XMLBeans proposal > > > Thanks to all of you for the many offers to help us get things > started with XMLBeans. It sounds like it might be easier for everyone > if we now pick one project that we believe would be the best fit for > XMLBeans. From talking with a few committers, I think we are leaning > towards the XML project, but I would like verify that with each of the > others. I should be able to confirm this preference in the next 12-16 > hours. > > Thanks again to everyone for being so willing to help make this work. > > BTW, I'll be at OSCON all week, if anyone would like to discuss any > issues further. > > Cliff > > > On Sunday, July 06, 2003 7:57 AM, Aleksander Slominski wrote: > >> Subject: Re: Vote for XMLBeans proposal >> >> >> Berin Lautenbach wrote: >> >>> Ted Leung wrote: >>> Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: > If XML.Apache is willing, as it seems, to cater for this project, > I'll wait for a vote from them, an ACK from the Bea guys, and > start preparing the hatcher :-) > I'm happy to invest some time in helping XMLBean get throught the incubator -- speaking with my XML PMC and ASF member hat on. >>> >>> >>> The idea of moving XMLBeans to incubation under the XML project and >>> with the assistance of Ted gets a +1 from me with some caveats : >>> >>> 1. Current XMLBeans committers need to be comfortable with this >>> resting with the XML project in the first instance. Note that I >>> would hope that the umbrella project could be changed prior to exit >>> from incubation if the feeling from the committers was that it >>> should be. >>> >>> If the initial preference is Jakarta then please indicate! I'm >>> definitely not trying to push a line here, and it's easy to switch >>> the vote over to the Jakarta PMC :>. >>> >>> 2. Committer issues that have previously been discussed will need to >>> be worked through during incubation (although that's really what >>> incubation is about :>). >>> >>> +/- from other XML PMC members welcome. >>> >>> Further discussion also welcome! >> >> hi, >> >> based on what I have seen when looking on XMLBeans source code and >> (limited) design documentation I beleive that this project is very >> interesting and useful for Web Services so I have CCed [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> mailing list too. >> >> It seems that BEA folks are willing to solve all remaining problems >> and I think that it would be good if this project quickly gained more >> mementum and I am willing to help with it (even though I am not >> Apache XML commiter) >> >> thanks, >> >> alek - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
