RE: Project idea
There is a pretty good Java SQL Relational DB called Mckoi, but the darn thing is GPL and I have sent about 6 emails trying to get them to change the license to an ASL or equivalent, but I have had no luck. They won't even change to LGPL. hsql Database on sourceforge has a good license and works well for small projects, but I don't know if I would trust it for anything important. Hopefully it will pick up some momentum. I know Jetspeed (a Jakarta project) uses Hypersonic SQL (now hsql Database), or at least used it the last time I check which was a long time ago. I would love to see a solid Java RDBMS under a business friendly license. Maybe someday ;-) -david -Original Message- From: Tal Dayan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 5:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Project idea Does Jakarta has anything close to an embedded pure Java relational data base ? If not, a project like that will be a great addition to the Jakarta family. Tal - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Project idea
Once we get Lucene moved over, maybe we can get the hsql project moved to Jakarta also. It would be a huge step forward for data management on Jakarta. -david -Original Message- From: Tal Dayan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 11:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Project idea Here are more points to consider when evaluating canidates and when defining the project goals: * 100% Java (of course) * Copyright clearance (including any required third party components) * Supports both server/multi-clients mode and embedded configuration * Reasonable performance and scalability * Transactional * Flexible data storage (not too restrictive limitation on row and cell sizes). * Easy migration to/from popular data bases You can find a list of existing Java data bases at http://dmoz.org/Computers/Programming/Languages/Java/Database-Related/ (I found it following Mike Dougherty's pointers, thanks Mike). Tal -Original Message- From: Cory L Hubert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 3:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Project idea I think it's time for it as well. Oracle, DB2, Sybase are planning on cashing in even bigger now. The .com crazy is over and people are going to start to develop and market information rich websites and services that reach out to cell phones/PDA's etc. There hasn't been much innovation going on in the Relational DB world. It'd be nice to see an Open Source project catch up, innovate, and outperform the Big Name DB vendors. An Open Source java DB by a trusted Open Source Name (Apache) would allow anyone to have a high end database solution without being a big money making enterprise. Obviously I think this is a good idea. Why don't we create a list for Open Source DB's to evaluate? Also some criteria. I've already mentioned. 1. Object or Object/Relational DB. 2. Support for SQL/OQL 3. Support for the SUN JDO spec. -Original Message- From: David Duddleston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 11:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Project idea There is a pretty good Java SQL Relational DB called Mckoi, but the darn thing is GPL and I have sent about 6 emails trying to get them to change the license to an ASL or equivalent, but I have had no luck. They won't even change to LGPL. hsql Database on sourceforge has a good license and works well for small projects, but I don't know if I would trust it for anything important. Hopefully it will pick up some momentum. I know Jetspeed (a Jakarta project) uses Hypersonic SQL (now hsql Database), or at least used it the last time I check which was a long time ago. I would love to see a solid Java RDBMS under a business friendly license. Maybe someday ;-) -david -Original Message- From: Tal Dayan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 5:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Project idea Does Jakarta has anything close to an embedded pure Java relational data base ? If not, a project like that will be a great addition to the Jakarta family. Tal - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PROPOSAL] The Commons
That could be - my problem when I went looking for things is that I surmised that Avalon was some sort of framework, rather than a collection of independent utilities. I got that idea because that is what the avalon site says... Peter and others are aware that this is often the perception. Yeah, not suprising at all. The documentation on the site does not give much of an indication that is it also repository of common classes. Only if you go back and read the messages regarding its creation do you get the idea that it was supposed to be the glue to intergrate several java apache projects and help them share code. I could be possible that this is not the true goal of Avalon anymore and it is just a framework for servers, but based on current activity, it seems much more than just a framework and a collection of interfaces. So we seem to be attracting code bases already, may go out and solicit existing ones from outside of Jakarta - if the value we add is to make them easy to find, document them well, and be a community that supports them *for their own sake*, then I think there is significant added value. I can imagine this would be a huge value and even more so if the other projects use them. I love the fact that most projects use Ant as a make tool. It makes my life so much simpler, since I only have to learn Ant and not a million different make tools. Same thing could be said for other things like a JDBC Connection broker. Even though it is not difficult to bounce from one broker to another (small learning curve) you still have to think, hmmm another implementation, where is the config file, how is the config file organized, and the biggest questions... is it well implemented and bug free. What is even more frustrating is seeing several incomplete implementations of the same project. I'm not against supporting new projects and allowing new ideas to evolve, but having consistency and quality is usualy more important. Try marking a lawyer. They seem to require more than a few drops.. :) I guess snakes require more droppings ;-) BTW, is there a listing of the all the proposed code bases to be part of the Commons? I would love to see good collections classes. I have some of my own implementation of OrderMap, type specific Lists and Map, but I'm sure the are better (optimized) implementation out there than mine. -david - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Is open source unamerican...
The American way should be about having equality and the reasonable freedom to do what you want. Just because many people have used this freedom to obtain massive amounts of money and power, does not mean it is the American way. In fact it is almost anti American in a way because these people usually interfere with the freedom of others by becoming very dominate and controlling (can anyone say dictatorship). Now I'm not against making money, in fact I love making money, but I also value freedom and equality for myself and others. What ever a person/company does with their code, sell it, give it away, throw it away or what ever, the bottom line is that it is their choice to do as they please with it and that is the American way. I respects Microsofts owners decision to sell it's products and make money, but I don't respect many of its dictatorship like actions. -david -Original Message- From: Doug Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 6:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Is open source "unamerican"... "They were pursuing their own happiness without regard to revenue generation or market share. What could be more American than that?" hmm, doesn't sound American to me - sounds more like socialism. Not that I agree or disagree with MS - but those lines are just wrong. American == Capitalism == Market share == IMHO anyway. -Dug "Pier P. Fumagalli" [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 02/17/2001 09:19:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Is open source "unamerican"... I found this on another mailing list completely unrelated to Open Source, and I believe it makes more sense around here :) Microsoft has completely lost its mind... http://www.salon.com/tech/log/2001/02/15/unamerican/index.html Pier -- -- -- Pier Fumagalli http://www.betaversion.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
