ApacheCon at ASIA
Hi fellows, 2 or 3 years ago, the apache software foundation held the APACHECON ASIA in Sri Lanka, IIRC #IIRC: If I remember correctly -- in other words, if my memory serves me corrently. What would you think about holding the conference in Asia again around Hong Kong? (Of course, for me -- Tokyo would be the best - though ... :-) Tetsuya @ apache committer (Japan) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@jakarta.apache.org
Re: Announcements without Release Notes
Why don't you see http://www.apachenews.org/ ?? For example, the "Mailet 2.4 release" news is here: http://www.apachenews.org/archives/001213.html Information from DOAP files are included, so more useful than the announcement (e-mail) itself. Sincerely, Tetsuya Kitahata P.S. Lucene 2.4.0 release news you mentioned were put here: http://www.apachenews.org/archives/001193.html > Hello, > > General announcement question I have. I like getting announcem...@jakarta > emails, as it allows me to passively keep abreast of new releases. What I > like even more is when announcements have a link to release notes of some > kind, so I can have a look at and quickly get an idea about the project's > direction, velocity, focus, maturity, etc. without being intimately familiar > with the project. > > For example, I just got an email about Mailet 2.4 release, but there was no > link to release notes or a JIRA link that might show what was done between > 2.3 and 2.4. I couldn't find any information on the site either. So, my > questions are: > Maybe I just don't know where to look? > Am I the only one who would love to see projects' release notes? > Is there an easy way to get projects to include this type of information in > releases and make it easily accessible (i.e. don't require me to download, > unpackage, and look for a specific file) > > Here is a Lucene example: > > http://lucene.apache.org/java/docs/index.html#8+October+2008+-+Lucene+Java+2.4.0+available > > With even more detail here: > http://lucene.apache.org/java/2_4_0/changes/Changes.html > (hm, now I wonder if it would be useful for other projects to copy this > functionality) > > Otis > -- > Sematext -- http://sematext.com/ -- Lucene - Solr - Nutch - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. - President - E-mail: kitah...@terra-intl.com http://www.terra-intl.com/ Apache News Online http://www.apachenews.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@jakarta.apache.org
Re: [commons] "download releases" link broken
I guess that redirecting from http://jakarta.apache.org/site/downloads/downloads_commons_*.cgi (Plus, http://jakarta.apache.org/site/downloads/downloads_commons.html) to http://commons.apache.org/downloads/index.html would be very "user-friendly" thing. Maybe, it's a ".htaccess" matter, I guess. Just I'd completely forgot how I/we can handle the web-server of the ASF. Sincerely, Tetsuya Kitahata. > On 8/9/07, Julius Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Go here: > > > > http://commons.apache.org/ > > > > Click on "Releases (mirrored)" link on the left (underneath "Download"). > > > > Unfortunately it points to: > > > > http://jakarta.apache.org/site/downloads/downloads_commons.html > > > > Which returns 404. > > Fixed, thanks. > > Niall > > > -- > > yours, > > > > Julius Davies - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. - President - E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ Bronze Sponsorship Member (Individual), The Apache Software Foundation -- http://sponsor.apache.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [name] Slide + HttpComponents => TLP
> - Hataraku [1-4] > Pronounce ha-ta-ra-k, with short "a" as in yadda-yadda. > That's japanese for "to work", with double meaning: > You've got to work to make it work. "ku" is a suffix. > Taking just the consonants of the root, you get: H T R > that's for "HTTP and Related". My favorite, obviously. In this context, I would like to express my humble opinion: "Apache HataraCo" HataraCo (Hatara-ko) means "Let's work!" or "Hey you, work hard!" 1. H T R Co that's for "HTTP and Related COmponents". 2. Client-side HTTP Components would say "Apache HataraCo (Work hard!)" and the Apache HTTP Server might respond, "It Works!" -- :-) # It takes me back to the good old days when I encountered Mosaic # Browser and NCSA HTTP Server (in 1993) as a student of the # University of Tokyo. Cheers, -- Tetsuya Kitahata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Roland Weber dubioso.net> writes: > > A project needs a name. Here are some suggestions, > with varying degrees of seriousness. > > - HttpComponents > That would be the core of the active codebase. > But http://httpcomponents.apache.org is too clumsy. > > - Slide > Short and sounds good, and the root of it all. > But it's an established name, associated with a > project of a very different scope. > > - Truposas > The Re-United Project Originally Started As Slide. > I wonder whether there is a language in which that > is an insult > > - Glaahay > Geeks Love Acronyms, And How About You? > Getting silly, isn't it? > > - Hataraku [1-4] > Pronounce ha-ta-ra-k, with short "a" as in yadda-yadda. > That's japanese for "to work", with double meaning: > You've got to work to make it work. "ku" is a suffix. > Taking just the consonants of the root, you get: H T R > that's for "HTTP and Related". My favorite, obviously. > > Other suggestions? Comments? > > cheers, > Roland > > [1] http://japanese.about.com/blkod585.htm > [2] http://www5.big.or.jp/~otake/hey/kanji/gifmoji/fvb/hatarak.gif > [3] http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/cgi-bin/wwwhalsod.cgi?0153_%C6%AF > [4] http://www.kanji-a-day.com/dictionary/kanji-detail.php?id=1512 > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Remove POI svn restrictions.
> [+1] Open up POI svn commit access. > [-1] Don't open POI svn commit access, because... As long as the ASF (entity)/ Jakarta PMC have an "WILL" to protect and can protect the developers from the Legal Issues, I am willing to put +1 to this vote. -- I, personally, hope I can live happily and peacefully in this wonderful jakarta land (and the apache land). -- Tetsuya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> P.S. Mvgr> Don't forget the vote in March where everyone voted +1 Mvgr> except the POI committers. Seems that I could not catch up this thread (in [EMAIL PROTECTED] / March) at that time. Sorry. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RSS
> Tetsuya runs apachenews.org which usually carries all of the Jakarta
> news.
Yes,
> He has RSS for each of his categories, so the Jakarta feed would be:
> http://www.apachenews.org/archives/rss_apache_jakarta.xml
FWIW ... You can also view news related to the
Apache Jakarta Project in PDF format:
http://www.apachenews.org/archives/news_apache_jakarta.pdf
(http://www.apachenews.org/archives/news_apache_${TLP_NAME}.pdf)
Plus, if you want to catch up with the product release news
upon Jakarta Related Projects (Java @ apache) -- visit:
http://www.terra-intl.com/planet/jakarta/
(RSS: http://www.terra-intl.com/planet/jakarta/rss20.xml)
Sincerely,
-- Tetsuya Kitahata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Hen
>
> On Thu, 13 Oct 2005, Eugeny N Dzhurinsky wrote:
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> > Is there any way to get the latest news in RSS format to track software
> > updates?
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> > Thanks in advance.
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> > Eugene N Dzhurinsky
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Re: [site] Removing things
> Dug a bit further. Due to the wonders of fonts on this Windows box, I'd > only seen '??' for the links to your translations and thought that all > your site does is translate the front page. Personally, "BCEL translation" was very hard (I bought two books on byte-code engine for that translation :-) to accomplish. # http://jakarta.terra-intl.com/bcel/manual.html > What's the relationship between jajakarta and terra-intl btw? I see that > you mention it at the bottom of the page. Nothing, nothing. We once proposed the "cross-link"s each other. Currently jakarta.terra-intl.com links directly to the each translation pages of jajakarta.org (according to that promise), and jajakarta.org does *not* to ours. -- That's all about. # ONE-WAY, ONE-WAY. -- Tetsuya. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] Removing things
Alas ... I would be very sad if my two-and-a-half-year efforts could *not* be appreciated. My "personal" -1 to #8 (non-SUN-related translations only, though) -- Tetsuya On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 20:50:28 -0500 (EST) (Subject: [site] Removing things) Henri Yandell wrote: > Next up is to clean up various bits on the large front page. Here's the > list of changes. For each one, if I don't hear a -1 by Tuesday I'll go > ahead and make the change. > > > 1) Rewrite of the welcome message to the welcome message at > http://www.apache.org/~bayard/mock-jakarta-frontpage.html. Including > additions to the products table as shown in the mock. > > 2) Removal of the elsewhere news section. Point redirects to > news/index.html. > > 3) Remove License renewal and news blog from Headlines section. Rename > Headlines to News. > > 4) Removal of Graduated from the left navbar. > > 5) Removal of Related table at the bottom of the index. > > 6) Move Legal link to the bottom of the page (with the copyright), as > shown in mock. > > 7) Removal of Our Mission. Redirect to front page. > > 8) Removal of links to Japanese/Korean translations. > > > Hen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?
Henri Yandell wrote: > > e.g. > > http://www.apachenews.org/archives/cat_apache_jakarta_index.html > > http://www.apachenews.org/archives/2004_12_index.html > Rather, > http://www.apachenews.org/archives/cat_apache_jakarta_2004_12_index.html O.K. Makes sense. See here: http://www.apachenews.org/archives/cat_apache_jakarta_2004_12_index.html Sincerely, -- Tetsuya Kitahata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?
On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 07:18:14 -0500 (EST) Henri Yandell wrote: > > it would be far more effective to ensure that the announcements are made to > > the right lists, that the resources which are important now (java.net, > > apachenews.org, serverside.com) receive the news and that users know which > > announcement lists they should subscribe to. > Unconvinced. None of those resources are good at supplying historical > news; apachenews has the common blog problem of a calendar-view being a > poor historical index, java.net seems to have no history and > theserverside.com uses a linked-list style system to get old news. The > last two also have a high noise to signal level for Jakarta info. As far as apachenews.org is concerned, I can try to create new templates for it. e.g. http://www.apachenews.org/archives/cat_apache_jakarta_index.html http://www.apachenews.org/archives/2004_12_index.html You folks can post "release news" (Alpha/Beta/R.C./FINAL versions) and anything news-worthy upon the apache software foundation related (including jakarta, apache-xml,apache-ws, apache-web-server etc.) projects/products to [EMAIL PROTECTED] By the way: Neither Apache Cocoon nor Apache Forrest was not originated from Jakarta Project AFAIK. (However, they're important because POI, Tapestry and HiveMind are currently using Apache Forrest for building their web sites if I remember correctly.) Personally, I think it that the history of Jakarta Project (e.g. "Apache James moved from Jakarta into TopLevelProject") should appear somewhere in jakarta.a.o. with the definition of Jakarta Related (Personally, I love the concept of "Jakarta FAMILY" -- [1] -- would this concept impose anything mislead upon the users/devs?). Sincerely, -- Tetsuya Kitahata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [1] - Jakarta FAMILY = Jakarta PROJECT + Apache Ant + Apache Struts + Apache Geronimo + Apache Gump + Apache Maven + #Apache Avalon# + Apache James + Apache Excalibur + Apache Log4J (in LoggingServices) + Apache OJB/Torque (in DB) + Apache Jetspeed/Pluto (in Portals) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: download pages in j.a.o.
Martin Cooper wrote: > The problem I have with this change is that it pretty much guarantees that > people will completely skip reading anything about the fact that they are > downloading from a mirror site, and especially the fact that they need to > verify the signature of what they download. If we could put that info > before the links, I would be much happier. ;-) Makes sense. O.K. I'll do after January 10 (next year). Sincerely, --------- Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
download pages in j.a.o.
Just I've tried to improve the usability of Download Pages in jakarta.a.o. (by Adding "Table Of Contents" in "Release Source Drops" section) http://jakarta.apache.org/site/binindex.cgi http://jakarta.apache.org/site/sourceindex.cgi The migration of CVS repository (jakarta-site2) into SVN had slipped my mind -- very sorry. -- BTW: Perhaps, commons-*** lines can be separated, by creating /commons/binindex.cgi plus commons/sourceindex.cgi and by adding these lines below to .htaccess in jakarta-site2 module (migrated into SVN?). | RedirectMatch ^/site/binindex.cgi#commons-(.*) http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/binindex.cgi#$1 | RedirectMatch ^/site/sourceindex.cgi#commons-(.*) http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/sourceindex.cgi#$1 (... not sure. I am not familiar with RedirectMatch.) Sincerely, ----- Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
apachenews.org
Hi, Well -- Now I am trying to gather the news items which would be related to the ASF activities -- at http://www.apachenews.org/ ... Since the middle of the March 2004. I found it that there are/were keen "users" of asf products who want to keep it in touch with the news of the asf activities. -- 0.1 million unique visitors and 0.2 million page views -- there. I think it that perhaps I can *donate* the gains (google.com! ^^;) to the fund-raising team @ apache.org. # very "low estimated benefit", though -- 30 US$ per month, I think. I'd like to this "BLOG" to be soared up more "official" asf activities if allowed. -- this would be very similar to the activities of "public relations", perhaps. Now, I do have that domain -- apachenews.org, but of course I can (and want to) donate it to the asf and willing to if there would be nice community which can accomodate such a "news blog". -- Ahhh -- and I'd like to "recruit" the editor of this news blog. http://www.apachenews.org/ ( to be honest, I "registered" someone who would have come to be interested in such activities -- @ May 2004 ^^:) I thought it that perhaps this would be an alternative of the "Apache Newsletter" or something equivalent. Guys, are you INTERESTED? ahhh .. this is an "unofficial" activitiy, perhaps. guys, you can post news items to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]". I will update as soon as possible. Nice "marketing tool", I can assure. :-) -- news items would be reflected to http://www.apachenews.org / as soon as possible. -- perhaps for "job huntings" to be enhanced in the near future. I want to be with you, genius developers. Thanks, Sincerely, - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International (Independent) E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why wiki logs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- site-cvs@ might be better
Hi, Martin Cooper wrote: > > -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] might be better and > > I could suggest, I think. > > I'm not sure I see why site-cvs@ would be better. Can you elaborate? I'm > also not sure who is on that list, since it doesn't seem to come with > site2 karma. I think we'd want the changes to go to a wider group in any > case. Yes, very simple reason. Compare to ws.apache.org (I mean, webservices @ apache). In ws.apache.org, every cvs commit logs go to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (see the logs @ eyebrowse / nagoya.apache) On the other hand, in jakarta.apache.org, they had not been. They have gone to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (I am not sure why, but I believe it that there WERE very reason for it) Then, I could not understand (then) why "wiki commit logs" -- similar to cvs commit -- could come to [EMAIL PROTECTED] What i meant is - site-cvs would be rather "for the guys who have much concerns in the changes of the websites of jakarta.apache and related" -- and "who can supervise". -- By the way, it would be needed to join to [EMAIL PROTECTED] list to obtain site2 karma -- Only you should subscribe for posting a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED], if i remember correctly. (I mean, no need to obtain site2 karma) There are about 100 people watching. Sincerely, - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International (Independent) E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why wiki logs to general@jakarta? -- site-cvs@ might be better
Hi, Why wiki log (diff) messages would have occupied [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] might be better and I could suggest, I think. What would you think? Thanks, - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International (Independent) E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] Sister Resources
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 19:28:14 -0500 (EST) Henri Yandell wrote: > Sister resources doesn't sit well with me. It feels like a very odd phrase > of English. The only other one I know of is 'Sister Cities', which implies > a sense of equality between the cities. Okay, this is what I wanted to hear. :) # Just I could not hear "is this odd?" directly -- so, # "i'll do if there's no objection". > Resources (Unofficial) gets my vote, as that lets us link in bits in > our own Wiki or personal apache pages. Wiki itself would be official, in terms of domain name (nagoya.apache, wiki.apache), however, Henri's comment makes sense. "Resources (External)" would make sense more, perhaps. Cheers, -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jakarta embracing the JCP?
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:14:13 +1100 dion wrote: > I've seen this 'defined responsibility' drive people > away from projects. (*1) Agreed. Often *innovative* guys run away from such projects. OSS guys do not want to take *responsibilites*, generally speaking. Also, this often dampens the motivation of the "not-defined" guys. > I've also seen projects with a strong leader wallow as their leader > has gone off and started something new and more fun. (*2) Agreed, too. Often *conservative* guys hate such projects - and say - "This project is very primitive." -- Required would be *balance*, i guess. In case (*1), "warm-hearted" enemies would be often able to resuscitate (*1) projects. NOTE: If not-"warm-hearted", (*1) would lose in competition. In case (*2), "public appeal" method would be required. In open source world, anyone can take over. - just people do not know what they can do (and they are shy enough) and where such projects exist. - Mechanism would resolve. "offer for public subscription" *plus* - "allocation of appropriate rights" Again and again, just a balancing issue. Also, community often loses balance. - Be careful. -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Apache Struts
Perhaps you folks might have already heard ... 18 March 2004 - Jakarta Struts has graduated with honors into Apache Struts > * The Apache Jakarta Struts project requested to become a "top level" > project of the ASF. The Board definitely agreed with their request, > and passed the resolution unanimously with little discussion. Craig > McClanahan will be the Chair of the new Apache Struts PMC. Just a note. Congratulations, to the Jakarta Struts Community. Cheers, ----- Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] Sister Resources
On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 23:01:41 + robert burrell donkin wrote: > but that's all for the future. at the present, i just wanted to think > about renaming translations and to think about adding planetapache :) > > no ulterior motives, i promise :) Done, 1. Removed real names and e-mail addresses from all the XML files in "jakarta-site2" module. -- /document/properties/author elements 2. Put Apache Jakarta Project to all the XML files in "jakarta-site2" module. (Obfuscated ... thanx > Stefan) 3. Renamed "Translated(Web)" to "Sister Resources" @ left-side navi 4. Added "PlanetApache" and "Apache News" to Sister Resources category Cheers, -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) P.S. I know it that robert is fanatical about planetapache :) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spam via [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi! Perhaps, you can filter some (many! :) spam mails by using pretty good perl script originally written by Brian :) "committers" module (@cvs) - docs/wehatespam.txt ... for more information. # cvs/committers/docs/wehatespam.txt Cheers, -- On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 17:27:56 -0700 (Subject: Re: spam via [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Jeff Dever wrote: > I'm surprised there were no replies to this. Spam thorough my > apache.org account is brutal. We are talking on the order of a 1000 > messages every couple weeks. Mozilla does a pretty good job identifying > spam, but I have had to rescue more than one important messaged from the > junk. > > There must be some savings in bandwith, aggrivation and money that can > be made by using spamassassin or somthing on the server. I moderate the > HttpClient mailing list, and do my part by rejecting many spam messages > everyday but I sure wish the obvious ones could be handled automaticly. > > -jsd > > otisg wrote: > > >Hello, > > > >I remember somebody mentioning some spam filters being installed > >on Apache's mail servers maybe half a year ago. > >Are those really working? > > > >I have been getting more and more spam either via my @apache.org > >account which forwards mail to my real address, or maybe via > >some @jakarta.apache.org mailing lists that I am subscribed to. > > > >Is there any way to reduce the amount of spam being delivered > >through various @*apache.org addresses? > >Are spam filters currently installed? > > > >Thank you, > >Otis - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: People's apache.org web pages
Yeah, Ken (Rodent)'s "Apache People's Pages" is pretty nice. Run by cron, and base script is written in perl. Even though you, committers, put "blank" ~/public_html/index.html page (in your home directory), it will be appeared on this "Apache People's Pages" page, soon. -- Nice work -- ... Did you folks know this as well? :) http://www.apache.org/~sgala/nightmap.html -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:54:15 -0500 (Subject: People's apache.org web pages) Shapira, Yoav wrote: > > Hi, > Does anyone else think it's kind of funny that most of our apache.org > web pages (http://www.apache.org/~coar/people.html) look like the first > homework assignment from a 9th grade "Introduction to the Internet" > class? I think it's hilarious. > > Something to lighten the mood during these license fallout discussions > ;) > > > Yoav Shapira > Millennium ChemInformatics - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] Sister Resources
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 08:32:31 +0100 Stefan Bodewig wrote: > > Also, at the same time, i'd like to perform the clean-up things upon > > "jakarta-site2" module -- > email="general.AT.jakarta.DOT.apache.DOT.org">Apache Jakarta > > Project > Why not simply remove the author completely? I am afraid it that people can not easily find this: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/jakarta-site2.html#Feedback - where to contact. remove -> append would be harder than keep/modify -> remove -- so, i'd like to remain/put the author elements in XMLs for a while. > Depends on what you consider a sister resource. At least, I guess robert is considering planetapache would be one of them :) -- external resources to apache.org domain Sincerly, -- Tetsuya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] Sister Resources
Hi, I think it that perhaps we can use "Sister Resources" title on the left-side nav @ each jakarta.apache pages. # Perhaps we might be able to encourage "offshore" # developments, repo etc. ;-) You can see "Sister Projects" desciption @ www.apache.org pages (PHP etc.). There's nice precedent for such. I'll perform such a change if i can see no objections here. (next week) Also, at the same time, i'd like to perform the clean-up things upon "jakarta-site2" module -- Apache Jakarta Project at /document/properties/author elements in every XML files in /xdocs/ -- in order to protect privacy of contributors etc.. I've performed the same thing upon "site" module, already - for www.apache.org. Cheers, -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) P.S. Created http://www.apachenews.org/ -- On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 18:33:17 +0900 (Subject: Re: [site] Translated (Web) -> Unofficial Resources...?) Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: > > Agreed. Go ahead. (Or, i will do it by myself ;-) > 'Community Resources (Unofficial)' is very nice naming. > News Blog (currently - http://www.terra-intl.com/tetsuya/) > perhaps can join. I'd like to *experiment* for a while. > > Cheers, > > -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 09:23:50 + > robert burrell donkin wrote: > > > at the moment, we have a section on the jakarta navigation bar that's > > titled 'Translated (Web)'. i've been wondering whether it might be > > better to rename this to something like 'Community Resources > > (Unofficial)'. this would make it clear that (though we're very > > grateful for these sites), they are not officially endorsed > > translations. > > > > later, we might think about adding other unofficial resources (such as > > planetapache) to the menu. > > > > - robert - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] Translated (Web) -> Unofficial Resources...?
Agreed. Go ahead. (Or, i will do it by myself ;-) 'Community Resources (Unofficial)' is very nice naming. News Blog (currently - http://www.terra-intl.com/tetsuya/) perhaps can join. I'd like to *experiment* for a while. Cheers, -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 09:23:50 + robert burrell donkin wrote: > at the moment, we have a section on the jakarta navigation bar that's > titled 'Translated (Web)'. i've been wondering whether it might be > better to rename this to something like 'Community Resources > (Unofficial)'. this would make it clear that (though we're very > grateful for these sites), they are not officially endorsed > translations. > > later, we might think about adding other unofficial resources (such as > planetapache) to the menu. > > - robert ----- Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] HiveMind as a Jakarta sub-project
On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 09:58:41 -0500 (Subject: [VOTE] HiveMind as a Jakarta sub-project) Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: > All Jakarta Community Members : > > Howard M. Lewis Ship, on behalf of the committers of the HiveMind > project in the Jakarta Commons sandbox, has proposed HiveMind as a > Jakarta sub-project. The proposal was sent to this list, a copy of > which can be found here : > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg09244.html > > Please read the proposal and vote, and add any comments you deem > appropriate. > > All Jakarta community members are encouraged to vote, although only the > votes of the PMC members are legally binding as per the ASF*. > > [X] +1 I support this proposal > [ ] -1 I don't support this proposal > [ ] 0 I abstain from voting for or against this proposal > > Comments : > > -- Very nice voting. If my memory serves me correctly, "[PROPOSAL] > HiveMind in the sandbox" came to commons-dev at the end of May, 2003. > It took 9 months - enough time passed for the bless of the outgrowing > of Hivemind into Jakarta Proper. People did want this time to come. -- > > * If the bit about PMC members having binding votes bothers you, solve > the problem by indicating interest in joining the PMC :) > > * YES, mentioned here :-) > > > -- > Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) > [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: questions license for site documents
On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 20:29:52 + robert burrell donkin wrote: > looks to me like that the jakarta website is now AL2 compliant :) :-) -- Law-abiding nice citizens, Jakartaens. > thanks for the hard work tetsuya. I do also thank you, for the nice question upon the licensing issue. This is an issue of critical importance which I have been giving a heed/attention to. -- Anyway, i also performed a slight change to all the XML files in "site" module, too (except those in /foundation/ dir). -- HTML files, generated files, as well. Perhaps things go well. (do hope) Cheers, -- Tetsuya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: questions license for site documents
On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 20:08:42 + robert burrell donkin wrote: > the .vsl template should definitely be altered to include the > boilerplate (as a comment) but i think that it'd be good to think about > including a meta and/or link tags as well. I performed a slight change into .vsl and committed a little while ago. ( style) "site" module (for www.apache.org) as well. For the time being, I do not include additional meta and/or link tags in generated html files. If any ASF members put them into htmls under "site" module, I'll follow them - precedent. Cheers, -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: boilerplate LICENSE text in different formats
On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 13:37:48 -0500 Shapira, Yoav wrote: > >I have started a wiki page at > >http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/LicenseFormats for boilerplate text > in > >different formats. > Cool and useful -- thanks ;) Ditto. :-) I'll try it out. -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: news symlinks
Hi, On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 21:21:20 + robert burrell donkin wrote: > cool in the sense of > a-useful-resource-that-jakartaens-might-feel-motivated-to-maintain. > anyone else have any opinions on this? Now, I am trying to gather news from various Apache world and put them into http://www.terra-intl.com/tetsuya/ - Experimental RSS 2.0 Index: http://www.terra-intl.com/tetsuya/index.xml -- Now joining in planetapache -- This URL might be changed, maybe Perhaps this style would be able to be easily maintained. I admit it that once I suffered from "putting-all-materials-into-apache.org-domain" disease. Now I've recovered from such a severe illness, completely. Diversity is the key to meet with success. I've learned this from controversial but meaningful discussion @ community. Sincerely, ----- Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: questions license for site documents
On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 22:24:02 + robert burrell donkin wrote: > i've had a quick google and i'm not sure that there's a consensus out > there on this. i like the idea of modifying the .vsl file and i'd be > inclined to add both formulations. maybe this would be a good question > to raise on community... Go ahead. I suspect it that we should modify site.vsl in either case. :-) If we decide to modify all the xml files in /xdocs/, appending http://jakarta.apache.org/LICENSE"/> line would be more practical ... under /document/properties/ element. (generated htmls should have tag, tag or something equivalent) -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > - robert > > On 1 Mar 2004, at 17:25, Christopher Lenz wrote: > > > Am 01.03.2004 um 12:53 schrieb Tetsuya Kitahata: > >> Use tag. > >> (e.g. >> value="http://jakarta.apache.org/LICENSE"/>) > >> Perhaps this can be easily done by editing /xdocs/stylesheets/site.vsl > >> > >> What would you say? > > > > If anything, that should be: > > > > http://jakarta.apache.org/LICENSE";> > > > > (See http://tantek.com/log/2004/02.html#d25t1805) > > > > Cheers, > > Chris > > -- > > Christopher Lenz > > /=/ cmlenz at gmx.de - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: questions license for site documents
Might it be possible for us to add links to http://jakarta.apache.org/LICENSE from each generated htmls?? I think this would be enough. Use tag. (e.g. http://jakarta.apache.org/LICENSE"/>) Perhaps this can be easily done by editing /xdocs/stylesheets/site.vsl What would you say? -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 10:57:56 + (Subject: questions license for site documents) robert burrell donkin wrote: > the generated html does not contain an explicit license just a > copyright. am i right in thinking that now it would be better to > publish them under the apache license 2? > > also, am i right in thinking that all the source documentation should > have license notices added? > > - robert --------- Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apache Gump and Apache Portals
> > Just a note. Cheerio, > > Not sure if this was meant to be 'cheerio' to the projects, or just at end > of the mail, but Gump is hoping not to say goodbye to this community. > Basically Gump wants (needs) an identity and community that is a superset of > Jakarta. Further, Gump is forging it's future (as an Java project > integrator) in Python, which contradicts line one of > http://jakarta.apache.org/. Alas! ... Apologies, if you folks in Gump dev team felt offended... (Needless to say, i just used that word at the end of mail!) I think it that "Apache Gump" is tightly *related* to Apache Jakarta. Congratulations, upon the "outgrowth" from Jakarta! By the way, if "Apache Forrest" will have its own PMC (TOP Level Project Status), we will be able to see a quite funny thing "HTTP Server" "Ant" .. "Forrest" "Gump" .. at the left-side menu on www.apache.org pages. :-) .. Alphabetical Sincerely, P.S. Gump -- is taking the highroad to success -- Alexandria -> Jakarta -> TLP :) - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Apache Gump and Apache Portals
Perhaps you folks might have already heard ... > * The Board established two new PMCs: > > - The Apache Gump Project will now oversee the development and > maintenance of the Apache Jakarta Gump project. Stefan Bodewig is the > new Chair of this PMC. > > - The Apache Portals Project will be pulling together a number of > different ASF technologies that are used to create portals. Santiago > Gala is the new project Chair. Just a note. Cheerio, --------- Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Apache License 2.0 came into effect
Hello, Jakarta-Folks, Just a note (but very important) ++ brief summary ++ > The Board has approved the new Apache License 2.0. For a copy of that > license, please see http://www.apache.org/licenses/. > > The Board has also mandated that all ASF software must be switched to > the new license by March 1st, 2004. Please watch this space for > further instructions on how to "use" the new license. - ++ description ++ > The 2.0 version of the Apache License was approved by the ASF (The > Board has approved the new Apache License 2.0) in 2004. The goals of > this license revision have been to reduce the number of frequently > asked questions, to allow the license to be reusable without > modification by any project (including non-ASF projects), to allow > the license to be included by reference instead of listed in every > file, to clarify the license on submission of contributions, to > require a patent license on contributions that necessarily infringe > the contributor's own patents, and to move comments regarding Apache > and other inherited attribution notices to a location outside the > license terms (the NOTICE file [1]). > > The result is a license that is compatible with other open source > licenses, such as the GPL, and yet still remains true to the original > goals of the Apache Group and supportive of collaborative development > across both nonprofit and commercial organizations. > > All packages produced by the ASF will be implicitly licensed under > the Apache License, version 2.0, unless otherwise explicitly stated. > > For more information, see Apache Licenses Page [2] [1] - http://www.apache.org/licenses/example-NOTICE.txt [2] - http://www.apache.org/licenses/ - You can also read this above from here: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/elsewhere.html#20040121.1 Sincerely, - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PATCH] [website] Request for vendor page update
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 23:17:03 -0800 Tom Evans wrote: > Hello Tetsuya, > > Thank you for your help. We are pleased to be listed on > the Jakarta site. :-) I am very glad to hear it, too. :-) > I have prepared an additional change (patch attached below) > to mask our email address as others have done and to correct > a typographical error from the last patch. As you suggested, I > have validated the modified XML. I have also run and verified > the jakarta-site2 build with this patch in our test environment. Done. Please confirm. > Thanks again, > Tom Cheers, ----- Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PATCH] [website] Request for vendor page update
Okay, Done. Thank you, Tom. By the way, please perform "XML Validation" check when you post a patch to jakarta-site2 next time ;-) -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 22:37:26 -0800 (Subject: RE: [PATCH] [website] Request for vendor page update) Tom Evans wrote: > > [OK - so this is harder than it looks. :)] > > Seems like I had some trouble with the patch formatting > in my email (and an embarrassing spelling error as well - > gotta love vi). Per the instructions on the patch page, I > have posted the corrected patch at the following URL: > > http://www.tachometry.com/jakarta/vendor_xml_patch.txt > > Tom Evans > Tachometry ----- Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [maven] developer repostory revisited
On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 21:40:05 -0500 (Subject: Re: [maven] developer repostory revisited) Mark R. Diggory wrote: > +1 I think this is very important to both automation and consistency in > "deliverables". > > -Mark Cool. Happy experiments and syndications :) -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > Tim O'Brien wrote: > > I second Matthew's suggestion that we create a repository that works > > with Maven as it is. > > Create the directory /www/www.apache.org/repository/, this repository > > will contain soft links to jars and other deliverables we wish to > > distriute to ibilio and other repositories. After a certain period of > > time, we can ask that whomever maintains the ibiblio repository use this > > source as the ASF's authoritative collection of distributables for Maven. > > > > This doesn't prevent others from thinking about other ways to create a > > repository - like Ruper, or the ever active repository mailing list, but > > it solves a practical problem which is preventing progress for many. > > immediately. > > > > Tim > > > > > > __matthewHawthorne wrote: > > > >> In this thread: > >> http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL PROTECTED]&by=thread&from=563250 > >> > >> > >> The idea of a Maven repository located on an ASF machine was discussed. > >> It seems like something that is doable, and also has been requested by > >> the ASF. > >> > >> I would like to make this happen, but I am not sure what the official > >> steps to take are. If a request has to be made to infrastructure, I > >> read that someone from a PMC has to do it. > >> > >> Here are the steps that I can see: > >> > >> 1) Choose a machine, and create the directory. > >> > >> 2) Choose the URL to map the repo to > >> (something like maven.apache.org/repository ?) > >> > >> 3) Possibly modify Maven to search this repository as well as ibiblio by > >> default > >> > >> 4) Modify nightly build script(s) to deploy to this directory as well > >> as others, so that all nightlies and SNAPSHOTs could be instantly > >> available. > >> > >> The last time I mentioned this, a few people pointed me to the > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] project, which seems to be defining a > >> next-generation repository structure for Maven and other uses. This > >> looks great, but I'm interested in something that will work with Maven > >> right now. > >> > >> I think this is long overdue, since Apache projects that have been > >> released for months are still not available on ibiblio. We need an > >> easier way. > >> > >> Anyone else interested? How can we make this happen? Thanks for any > >> help! - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Broken FAQ link on Apache Slide page
On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 14:01:11 -0500 (Subject: Broken FAQ link on Apache Slide page) Kit Christopher Lueder wrote: > Hi, > From the Apache Slide page, > http://jakarta.apache.org/slide/index.html > the FAQ link (under "Resources") is broken. It takes you to the following > link that doesn;t work: > http://faq.globalvision.com.au/ > Thanks. 1. Doesn't work? .. it seems that this server just outputs "Internal Server Error" message. You can contact the server admin directly, i guess. 2. You can post this to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TIPS: -- Subscribe The Slide (User|Developer) List -- http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html#slide 3. Personal View: Jakarta Slide Project seems dead due to the obsolete copyright notice at the bottom of each pages: "Copyright c 1999-2001, Apache Software Foundation" I think this can be modified at the same time. (/jakarta-slide/src/doc/stylesheets/slide.xsl) - Hope these supported. (gave "awareness" to you... oh, coaching :-) ----- Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Website and Reorganisation language... a suggestion
On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 13:21:35 + Danny Angus wrote: > I just had a Eureka moment, albeit a not very significant one, and I want > to brain dump... Great. By the way, the term "albeit" reminded me of the word "Arbeit" -- "Work". :-) > I read this headine on TSS "The Apache Jakarta team announces Lucene 1.3 > Final" http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news.html http://jakarta.apache.org/site/elsewhere.html I am sure that you would be able to find the word "TEAM", easily. Note: "The Apache Software Foundation and The Apache HTTP Server Project are pleased to announce the release of version X.Y.Z of the Apache HTTP Server" -- This is a common format of the announcement from HTTP Server Project, as far as i could see. Personally, I prefer the word "TEAM" to "Project". Or, "XXX (Sub)Project Team is pleased to announce ... " -- would be better, maybe. The "announcement" messages are very important -- public relations --. To put this more precisely, "The Apache Software Foundation, The $TLP Project Management Committee and The (Apache|$TLP|Apache-$TLP)? $SUBPROJECT Project Team are pleased to announce the release of version X.Y.Z of (Apache|$TLP|Apache-$TLP) $SUBPROJECT" -- probably. (Can the rights/duties of these three autonomies be nicely modeled in by using UML? :-) In short, "The ASF and $SubProject Team are pleased to announce the release of (Apache|$TLP|Apache-$TLP) $SubProject X.Y.Z. Blah, Blah, Blah (3-5 lines nice blurb on $SubProject etc.) -- By (Apache|$TLP|Apache-$TLP) $SubProject Development Team -- URL: http://$TLP.apache.org/$SubProject/"; Then, Headline might be "(Apache|$TLP|Apache-$TLP)? $SubProject Team released (Apache|$TLP|Apache-$TLP)? $SubProject X.Y.Z." or "(Apache|$TLP|Apache-$TLP)? $SubProject X.Y.Z. Released.". The governance style of The Apache $TLP should? follow these kind of announcement styles and vice versa -- i suspect. > Teams would not be static or slowly expanding clubs for every participant > ever, but would represent the code module and the fluctuating sub-set of > our community currently active on it, if you want to step aside for a > month, take your name off the list, come back and add yourself again. Great. > d. Personally, I'd like to see more "announcement"s at announce.AT.apache.DOT.org (In "PGP SIGNED MESSAGE"s :-) -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Just in case you're curious
On Sat, 3 Jan 2004 12:23:28 -0500 Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > Everything is back on the private list again. Odd to discuss including > > more people in the PMC while excluding them from the discussion. > It is inappropriate and inconsiderate to discuss individual people on the > public list. Agreed. We saw over 20 unsubscribers here in these two weeks. Keeping this list a bit quiet would put the brakes on it, maybe ;-) -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 14:27:30 -0500 Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > > In HTTPD/APR world. mostly Apache MEMBERS = Apache COMMITTERS. > > (OH, you pointed it our, 6 months ago ;-)! > You must mean HTTPD PMC Members ~= HTTPD Committers more ore less. Yes. Obvious. HTTPD (Apache HTTP WebServer Project) does not have *general* list. That's all. # Jakarta should have it's own way, i hope. If Jakarta can't have such, # the "board" would be *wrong* ... that's all. > Size matters. This is obviously not feasible for Jakarta as we are > demonstrating so aptly. Wow, Great. Size matter? Could you please describe the committer*ness* @ http://jakarta.apache.org/site/whoweare.html ?? ... more ?? ;-) Can you describe the all the committers/PMC members@ http://jakarta.apache.org/site/whoweare.html , by the way? ;-) > > You/I "can" see the difference. Yep. This is the root of the evil. > > This *MUST* be fixed. > > I'd like to see the "jakarta XXX PMC" groups to be organized into > > subgroups realms. "Jakarta" has it's own brand. You can have either > > "Jakarta POI" or "Apache POI", i guess... subsets of the group. > > .. thus would be integrated into the jakarta PMC in the near future. > This is essentially the formalization of how it is of course. Okeydokey > > Suffices. APR/HTTPD guys would be gratified, i hope. > > Could you please explain why the discussion lasts forever? > First, we're trying too many people come to a consensus on a non-technical > issue. Second, because we're trying to over-manage and uber-manage things. Yes, i know that non-technical issue should be open. > It will only get worse. It would be even worse if it were in private. I can not trust you ;-) . (joke) so I do not make such an issue to be in private :-) // nothing to be got worse > My point was merely to point out the puppet strings, not to join the > puppets. ;-) Puppet? Andy? ... are you puppet? ... of what? I am sure that you are *far from* the puppet of XYZ .. ... as you are the puppet of the united states :-). I am sure that you guys are wrong about the interpretations of the comments from the board members. I'd like to see the board members opinions here @ [EMAIL PROTECTED], directly. ... Critical issue... maybe ... D'OH We, Jakarta-n, should *not* be humiliated by the BOARD members ;-) I'd like to have the opinions from board members directly here. This might improve the PMCness of the Jakarta, i hope. -- I'd like to know why the PMC list @ jakarta *WAS* full of disputes over the TLP-ness of XYZ ... Andy, could you please explain this more? Thanks, godness -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 13:36:27 -0500 Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: > > Henri Yandell wrote: > > > Two major options seem to be: > > > 1) Big PMC that everyone is on, with the reality that we have > > >interest in various areas. > > > 2) Promote projects to TLP. > > > 2) is not realistic. > > Why not? I don't agree that ALL projects should, but Henri didn't say all > of them. I said. "Apache Struts" brand would be cool -- if Ted felt ;) "Apache Tomcat" is more cool. "Jakarta Commons" - ORO/ECS/REGEXP/BSF would be cool "Apache Turbine" ... like "Apache Avalon" # .. POI ?? ff.apache.org with xml.apache.org/fop? :) ... First off, would them decribed above can think of the TLP-ness. ... and i hope them to be discussed here. > > > Now, as Noel has pointed out in the past, TLP's can still be on the > > > Jakarta site and use the Jakarta CVS. But they would not be under > > > the Jakarta PMC. > > Haha. I'd like to see this more. Noel, could you please? > Could I please what? Henri, when you send off for your dictatorial powers, > would you please add me to the request list, too? I think I've got enough > boxtops around here somewhere, and they would be much more fun that that > secret decoder ring. Sorry, I'd like you to explain more (this is my opins, one of the committers/jakarta :-). "Apache James" has less branding images compared to the "Jakarta James". Maybe someone can prove it. I *could not* have it because i do not have sufficient karma (and power) to have such. ... Noel, I'd like to see what has changed (improved!) after the graduation from jakarta ... got TLP-ness ... we'd like to know the comments from you. genuine one > > Apache James (for example) do not have it's own download system ;-) > Uh ... http://james.apache.org/download.cgi > But it needs to be fixed and finished. Please fix it. i know that Apache James got TLP-ness 10 months (or more) ago. ... :-) # Need helps? - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ Apache Software Foundation Committer: http://www.apache.org/~tetsuya/ XML Consortium Member: http://www.xmlconsortium.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status
Hi, Henri and all On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 12:44:31 -0500 (EST) Henri Yandell wrote: > > I'd like to see the "jakarta XXX PMC" groups to be organized into > > subgroups realms. "Jakarta" has it's own brand. You can have either > > "Jakarta POI" or "Apache POI", i guess... subsets of the group. > > .. thus would be integrated into the jakarta PMC in the near future. > Many don't like this subgroup idea. In fact, the obvious option of a > 'jakarta-pmc' sub committee on each jakarta project that reports to the > jakarta 'board', is definitely disliked by the apache board [I believe]. Hmmm. (You can copy and forward this mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], BTW) > Two major options seem to be: > > 1) Big PMC that everyone is on, with the reality that we have interest in > various areas. > 2) Promote projects to TLP. 2) is not realistic. Personally I felt, "Apache Struts" brand would be cool -- if Ted felt ;) "Apache Tomcat" is more cool. "Jakarta Commons" - ORO/ECS/REGEXP/BSF would be cool "Apache Turbine" ... like "Apache Avalon" # .. POI ?? ff.apache.org with xml.apache.org/fop? :) However, I do not think it that we should promote each sub-projects in jakarta into TLP realms. Communities can decide. > Now, as Noel has pointed out in the past, TLP's can still be on the > Jakarta site and use the Jakarta CVS. But they would not be under the > Jakarta PMC. Haha. I'd like to see this more. Noel, could you please? > So far, no Jakarta 'project' has chosen to remain in the Jakarta world > when they goto TLP. Web/cvs-wise. CVS/Web (sub-domain) would be not related ... in my "humble" (OH) opinions. Apache James (for example) do not have it's own download system ;-) > > Suffices. APR/HTTPD guys would be gratified, i hope. > Board. Not APR/HTTPD. A couple of "BOO"s... Why would board members complain the world of the jakarta? what's wrong? Could I have the opinions from the board members here in [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Could you please explain why the discussion lasts forever? > Because for some insane reason, there are still people out there who > refuse to just give me complete dictatorial power over the entire world. I > agree with you that this is insane, who wouldn't want to do things the way > I want to. Please. > I'll pass your thoughts onto the UN as proof that they should just kowtow > to my magnificance. Also dictionaries need to change the way that word is > spelt to be easier to spell when I'm feeling last night's beer. Thanks. Have a nice new year day. Sincerely, -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 10:18:29 -0500 Ted Husted wrote: > If Struts does graduate to a TLP, I would update the wiki page based > on our own experience (if someone doesn't beat me to it) and post a > link to all the DEV lists. (Unless, of course, the growing consensus > changes and the PMC decides to do such a thing itself.) Hmmm. "Apache Struts" brand would be cool. Why don't you choose it? "Apache Tomcat" is more cool. "Jakarta Commons - ORO/ECS/REGEXP/BSF would be cool" "Apache Turbine" ... like avalon -- OH, great. Why don't you? > As for the rest of it, I've said my piece, and I'm happy to let Darwin and Consensus > decide. Haha, Darwinism is not perfect. You must give the chance to the losers :-) (Maybe Brain model would be perfect :) I'd like to know the barriers for you/us/them. Could you please let me know? Thanks a ton. -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 12:13:59 -0500 Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > If I were the chair of the Jakarta PMC and a board member and favored seeing > Jakarta split up into TLPs, I'd do this: > > 1. Put everyone on the PMC > 2. Get them in a reorganization type discussion In HTTPD/APR world. mostly Apache MEMBERS = Apache COMMITTERS. (OH, you pointed it our, 6 months ago ;-)! You/I "can" see the difference. Yep. This is the root of the evil. This *MUST* be fixed. I'd like to see the "jakarta XXX PMC" groups to be organized into subgroups realms. "Jakarta" has it's own brand. You can have either "Jakarta POI" or "Apache POI", i guess... subsets of the group. .. thus would be integrated into the jakarta PMC in the near future. Suffices. APR/HTTPD guys would be gratified, i hope. Could you please explain why the discussion lasts forever? -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: EU analogy [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 02:45:18 +0100
Stephen McConnell wrote:
> >Perhaps the parallel is that a Struts 'citizen' identifies more with the
> >Struts 'country' than the Jakarta 'union'. Of course one key difference is
> >that we don't have the individual governments at the country/Struts level.
> +100
Since i introduced "EU analogy" to this list a few days ago :),
I comment.
--
As the Name "Apache" and the "lex causae" would be highly related to
the United States, I was wondering what would fit to describe
"Apache" and "Jakarta" communities themselves, and have been casting
about in my mind for good words.
Well, there could be two styles of the OSS communities
-- American Style ("United" States) .. (1)
-- European Style ("Union" of Nations) ... (2)
What I could perceive from the participation to this community was
the latter style. So, I used "EU analogy".
The keyword would be "Identity". Yes, I know that we can rather
describe the history of the Apache/Jakarta better by using
"United States" styled analogy, however, the strong "Identity"
of the each communities in Apache realm can be described by "EU
analogy" better, i suspect.
Please do not use the analogy in order "to dispute" forever.
Please use it in order "to strengthen the understandings of
the community and to achieve the improvement of the community".
(1) and (2) have their own "good" points. Piling up "good points"
would be one of the key factors which can keep the health
of the OSS communities.
I am not in the United states nor in Europe.
Thanks,
-- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
P.S. (1) --- related to right-side cerebral cortex in brain
(2) --- related to right-side limbic system in brain
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Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 12:10:03 -0500
(Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were)
Ted Husted wrote:
> > steward
>
> The proposal is to expand the role of the moderator, rather than
> invent an overlapping role with similar responsibilities. If the
> volunteer is not up to task, then another volunteer can be sought.
> (Hence, the language about the Chair appointing another volunteer.)
> The idea is that they have *already* volunteered to moderate the list.
> If one individual doesn't want to volunteer, another can be found.
You can check who is/are current moderator(s) of XX subproject,
by using the method which can be found at
/committers/docs/mailinglist-tips.txt ("committers" module)
'How to know "Who is moderator of XX list" / "Number of subscribers"'
section (resource.txt is also good)
You may post to the address which can be found there with this two
lines body --
===
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
gump
==(two lines)==
--
Hope this helps.
-- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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Re: Just in case you're curious
Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: > > Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > > > Here in Jakarta (as well as other projects, I assume), the sub-projects > > > do committer votes in public. Some people outside of Jakarta feel that > > > this is improper, and should be done in private to ensure that open > > > discussion can happen in a way that doesn't hurt peoples feelings. > > Well, I think it that vote jakartan-way (to vote new committers in) > > is reasonable as well as the way other (single projects -- which do > > not have many subprojects under their umbrella) projects had chosen is. > Once the PMC situation is squared away by any of a few approaches, there > should be no reason to hold Committer or PMC Member votes in public. Makes sense. Thanks. I'd subscribed to all the -dev lists and downloaded all the archive messages from jakarta.apache.org/mail/**. I found it that if PMC situation would be squared away, PMC list could take over the place for committer votes, too. I had a stats of the contributors' messages and sometimes felt "I do want to vote him/her in to XX subproject if I were a committer of this (sub)project" where I am not a committer nor a PMC Member. (So, I often did "non-binding" votes -- +1 to excellent persons ... Right? >> Adam @ gump) I think you folks can choose the appropriate persons for the jakarta-committership, granted you won't hold Committer votes in public. -- I remember that one of the ASF members has already invented nice voting machine program @ minotaur (wrapper program for qmail, if i remember correctly) -- Maybe you/we will be able to make use of it (Then, PMC list's traffic won't be increased). Hope this helps. Cheers, -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Just in case you're curious
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 16:10:27 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I realize that arguing with you on this will have no effect, but I want > > to keep working to extinguish the meme you keep trying to plant. > +1, Andrew seems to have boundless energy in this regard ;-) ! It seems that he/she/it is a *winter* person ;-) (Maybe, reincarnation of yeti) -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were
arta PMC, we will be unable to continue to > > extend write access to any jakarta-* CVS to that individual. > > > > Each PMC member will also be subscribed to the Jakarta PMC list. > > *However, all subproject business can continue to occur on this DEV > > list > > as always!* In the future, we anticipate that the PMC list will be very > > low-volume. (Really, we do!) > > > > The only change is that the owner of the DEV list must also serve as > > the > > PMC steward for the subproject. The steward must submit monthly status > > reports for the project and immediately report any new Committers to > > the > > PMC list. > > > > But, other than that, it will be business as usual. > > > > Accordingly, we ask that the Committers to this subproject nominate the > > following individuals to the Jakarta PMC. Please check all that apply. > > > > [ ] $committer > > > > Any committer who wishes to opt-out may notify the Jakarta chair > > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). If you opt-out, regardless of the vote, you will > > not > > be subscribed to the PMC list, and your write access to jakarta CVS > > repositories will be removed. (Sorry, but it's part of the package > > now.) > > > > ### - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ Apache Software Foundation Committer: http://www.apache.org/~tetsuya/ XML Consortium Member: http://www.xmlconsortium.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Just in case you're curious
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 08:12:02 -0500 Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > Here in Jakarta (as well as other projects, I assume), the sub-projects > do committer votes in public. Some people outside of Jakarta feel that > this is improper, and should be done in private to ensure that open > discussion can happen in a way that doesn't hurt peoples feelings. Yes, HTTP Server Project / APR Project folks often feel that it is improper, it seems. (I am not a HTTPD guy ;-) I've heard such opinions on other lists before. Well, I think it that vote jakartan-way (to vote new committers in) is reasonable as well as the way other (single projects -- which do not have many subprojects under their umbrella) projects had chosen is. Only one concern. Maybe Jakarta has many *zombie* committers. I hope current (jakartan) voting rule hadn't affected to the *inflated zombies* phenomena. To eliminate *zombie* committers would be one of the critical issues for Jakarta PMC, I imagine. (This is also board members' concern, I imagine) Anyways, I think Jakarta can have Jakartan-Way. Good luck, folks. (And thanks) Sincerely, -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Just in case you're curious
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 07:38:54 -0500 Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > > What could be something that is sensteive in an open source community? > > This is new direction. Gray areas should be well exposed. If you are > > ashamed of it, don't do open source community. > There are lots of things. Committer votes, for example, are considered > a sensitive issue. Inter-personal disputes. I agree. Also, I think "[PROPOSAL] As it ever were" mail was very reasonable. However, just one question came to my mind. Have The Committer Votes (I mean, [VOTE] in to elect new committer) to be taken place at Jakarta PMC list? ... This is very sensitive issue (maybe causes inter-personal dispute), i guess. Could you please explain more? Thanks in advance. -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) P.S. > Vic, if you've been paying ANY attention, you'd know that what we are > trying to do is just the opposite - get *every* committer in Jakarta > onto the PMC, *eliminating* this needless boundary. Well said. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 07:36:20 -0500 Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > One example might be a lawyer working closely w/ a community (for > whatever reason) - that lawyer might be providing tremendous input and > participation, but has no need/use for committership. That person > could still be a member of the PMC. Well said. Also, i think PMC members do *not* "have to develop" source codes. For example, look at ORO. I've heard ORO team does not have 3 *active* committers, however, I believe some of PMC members (not ORO committers) can vote at oro-dev and can take *responsibilities* to the codes, when the vote of ORO X.Y.Z release. ORO-dev archive (open) memorizes who vote(d) and who are/were responsible to the votes. Anyways, I think Jakarta can have Jakartan-Way. Good luck, folks. Cheers, -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:24:00 -0500 (Subject: Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?) Harish Krishnaswamy wrote: > How about Jakarta = "Java Development"? Then, they all seem in place, no? > > -Harish +1. Agreed. Why don't Jakarta adopt "EU"-like governance style? (Board => Secretariat of the United Nations: Jakarta Sub-Projects can have the status of "Nation" Jakarta itself is "United Nations". Other TLPs are "Nation"s) People often hold of the wrong end of the stick and assume that bylaws is for bylaws. -- NO -- Bylaws is *for* the components of each communities/organizations. I'd like to see -- > Jakarta PMC: responsible for jakarta-site/jakarta-site2 > Tomcat PMC: tomcat and related code > Struts PMC: struts and related code > Jakarta Commons PMC: ... > Tapestry PMC: ... > ... styled governance (what Noel mentioned) in jakarta tlp. I am not a laywer, however, there might be no legal problem. Regards, -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > Henri Yandell wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Costin Manolache wrote: > > > > > > > >>IMO it would be sad if projects like struts or tapestry leave jakarta - > >>since they are closely related to web development and "server side" java > >>( compared with log4j or regexp for example ). > > > > > > So, Jakarta = "Server side web development" is the subtitle. > > > > Log4J, POI, ORO, Regexp, all of Commons except HttpClient, Latka and > > FileUpload, Gump, BSF, BCEL are the ones that seem most out of place in > > that they don't focus on that subtitle. > > > > Slide would be if a WebDAV TLP were to arrive. > > > > Just as a flamebait suggestion :) > > > > Hen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Volunteering for PMC membership
Hi, I, Tetsuya Kitahata (tetsuya), would like to help oversight of the jakarta websites. I request my nomination for PMC membership. Maybe this can be expressed as "jakarta-site2 PMC". Note: The creation of jakarta-site2 project has been voted here last year and adopted already. Thanks, -- Tetsuya Kitahata. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) P.S. As I've said before, if ASF Board would have socialized the marketing activities into "Public Relations and Communications Committee", jakarta-site2 PMC could have helped such a committee, i am sure. On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:39:31 +0100 (Subject: Volunteering for PMC membership) Dirk Verbeeck wrote: > Hi, > > I, Dirk Verbeeck (dirkv), a jakarta-commons (and slide) committer, > would like to help grow Jakarta in whatever capacity I can and I > request my nomination for PMC membership. > > Regards, > Dirk ----- Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Just in case you're curious
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:23:25 -0500 (EST) Henri Yandell wrote: > Agreed. Andy's highlighted the issue and I'm sure there'll be more > aggressiveness on pushing threads that don't need to remain closed to this > open forum. About the issue of openness and closeness: board@ is *public* for all the ASF members. (Any ASF members can be a *read only member* to the board@ list) board@ is open list? close list? WS (WebServices) project discuss most of the important issues at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] at the same time. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is open list? close list? -- I think that jakarta should choose an appropriate method which suffices for most of the jakarta committers' needs. For example: Create topics for discussion -- PMC list Vote -- general@ (or another appropriate list : important issues) PMC list (trivial issues) Report to all the jakarta committers -- general@ -- Also, please read this (Roy T. Fielding said @ incubator list at Fri, 26 Sep 2003) >> all the jakarta committers and PMC members -- > A release requires 3 +1 and a majority of those voting, wherein > the only people allowed to vote are the PMC responsible for that > code. In other words, the usual rules apply -- it is simply harder > to get the votes. -- > According to the bylaws, the only people authorized to make > decisions > on behalf of the ASF (including the decision to release code to the > general > public) are officers or the PMC responsible for the project. All other > votes are to be ignored or considered advisory only, and no I don't care > how long some of our umbrella projects have been ignoring that fact. It seems that most of the committers in jakarta do not know this fact. Before the discussion of *openness/closeness*, I think we should have common understanding on this. Regards, -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Just in case you're curious
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:19:41 -0500 Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > The reason everything is quiet here is all decisions are being made on > private lists now. It would be okay unless all the decisions will have been made on infrastructure@ list. ... ;-) -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [website][patch] Add instructions for setting up mail to newbie.xml
On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 10:06:34 -0700 Phil Steitz wrote: > I did make the patch and posted it in an email to infrastructure@ on > 11/23. It has not been applied. Okey. Applied. Many thanks. Please cross-check. > If we do get this applied, we should change the Jakarta Newbie page to > point to this for mail account setup questions. Added. -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [website][patch] Add instructions for setting up mail to newbie.xml
Hi, Phil and all. Did you make it? If you failed, I think i can apply the patch for it (I am *not* subscribing to infrastructure@, now). -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) P.S. You can edit .forward (or .qmail) via not only "vi" but also "emacs", as a matter of course :-) On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 19:37:06 -0700 (Subject: Re: [website][patch] Add instructions for setting up mail to newbie.xml) Phil Steitz wrote: > robert burrell donkin wrote: > > hi phil > > > > IIRC infrastructure is the right place to submit patches for the main site. > > > > - robert > > Thanks, Robert. I made and submitted a patch against > site/xdocs/dev/committers.xml and submitted it there. ----- Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ Apache Software Foundation Committer: http://www.apache.org/~tetsuya/ XML Consortium Member: http://www.xmlconsortium.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [POLL] pmc alumni
On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 23:45:45 +
robert burrell donkin wrote:
> ---
> [X] Cool
> { ] Whatever
> [ ] UnCool
> [ ] I've Got A Better Idea (Please Tell Everyone About It)
> ---
(I re-subscribed here a little while ago :-)
Cool. (Could I POLL for it, by the way? :-)
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Re: Forrest skin for Jakarta-XX project
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:26:50 -0700 "Craig R. McClanahan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >(What about Struts?) > At the moment, Struts uses hand-crafted XSLT stylesheets that preceeded > the existence of Forrest (and Maven), but we are considering some > alternatives based on both Forrest's and Maven's site generation > facilities. Some proof-of-concept prototypes (not necessarily polished) > of the Struts main page, using three different Forrest skins, are at: > Krysalis style: http://www.twdata.org/dakine/site/ > Avalon/Tigris style: http://www.twdata.org/dakine/site1/ > Forrest/XML Apache style: http://www.twdata.org/dakine/site2/ Looks very nice. :) Kool. > Personally, I would prefer either the Krysalis or Avalon/Tigris styles > to the default Forrest/XML Apache style, but that's just me. Various > Struts developers have various opinions, as well as concerns about the > processing time implications of using Forrest. Likewise > We also use XSLT transformations for other reasons as well (i.e. > generating tag library descriptors and reference documentation), and > already enjoy nice things like print-friendly styles without the > navigation menu -- to say nothing of XHTML-compatible generated > output -- so I don't feel any great sense of urgency to make a > migration. I'm personally not going to have time to even think about > it in the very near term, due to day-job commitments. But, it's > certainly an option for us to share a common look and feel. In my mind, there might be four options: 1. Create "jakarta-skin" and put it (them) into jakarta-site2 2. Create "jakarta-skin" and put it (them) into xml-forrest. We have to wait the next release of Forrest (0.5.2 or 0.6), though 3. Update "avalon-tigris" skin / Patch to it (them) We have to wait the next release of Forrest (0.5.2 or 0.6), though 4. Create "jakarta-XX-skin"s and put it (them) into respective modules. We can make use of it (them) immediately Currently, Jakarta-POI adopts #4 style. Now, I am thinking of the Forrest-ization of Jakarta-Tapestry. (http://www.terra-intl.com/jakarta/tapestry/) Therefore, I am thinking of the #1/#2/#3 options. Any thoughts? -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Forrest skin for Jakarta-XX project
Before that, could you please answer my (innocent) question? Why was there no "PDF-Rendering" function in the default avalon-tigris? I thought that Avalon-Team did not want the PDF files because PDF could have been big enough to be downloaded. Sure, I know that it would be related to skinconfig/disable-pdf-link @ skinconf.xml, though :) -- Rather, I thought that "jakarta-skin"/"ws-skin" naming would make sense (Just a copy and reuse of avalon-tigris, it would be), if it would be integrated into the default Forrest "skins" dir. ($FORREST/dist/shbat/) context - skins - |--avalon-tigris |--common |--forrest-css |--forrest-site |--jakarta-site |--krysalis-site |--template |--ws-site ... Make sense? -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) P.S. Tapestry Version: http://www.terra-intl.com/jakarta/tapestry/ On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:32:53 +0200 (Subject: Re: Forrest skin for Jakarta-XX project) Nicola Ken Barozzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: > > > Maybe you might have already known, ws-site/ws-axis/ws-soap [1][2][3] > > are now using the similar skin. (I put the skin into respective > > modules directly) > > Sure, I re-used the avalon-tigris, however, the Forrest 0.5.1 > > avalon-tigris did not suffice our gratifications. > > > > I am sure that I can post patches to forrest-dev, however, > > I am afraid it would affect seriously to avalon-site in the > > future. > > If the skin is just a better version of the same skin it would be ok to > patch it. If the skin will depart a lot from that, then the Avaloners > would need to decide to cooperate in it. > > In any case, the krysalis-site skin has many more features, and I'm > getting it ready to be able to switch forrest-site to use that one, with > of course the traditional Forrest colors. So you can look in that skin > to eventually add the extra features to the avalon-tigris skin. > > In any case, if you send teh patches for avalon-tigris I'll take a look > at them. > > -- > Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - verba volant, scripta manent - > (discussions get forgotten, just code remains) > - - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ Apache Software Foundation Committer: http://www.apache.org/~tetsuya/ fingerprint: E420 3713 FAB0 C160 4A1E 6FC5 5846 23D6 80AE BDEA - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Forrest skin for Jakarta-XX project
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:25:56 +0100 "BAZLEY, Sebastian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Maybe you can find "new" xsl file via > > jakarta-site2/xdocs/stylesheets/site.xsl > > > > ... Just copy to jmeter module and cvs commit, I guess.. > > As far as I know, the JMeter stylesheets are unique to JMeter, so I doubt if > that would work. D'oh... Sorry. I had a little confused. Okeydokey. What I proposed here, was not "Please use Forrest, all the Jakarta-XX-Team", but "Dear Jakarta-XX-Project, which want to use Apache Forrest ...". I've heard that Struts Team once discusses about the usage of Forrest, so I said "What about Struts?" As for JMeter, I think now it is working well. (Yes, I sent patches for the re-build of the site using Anakia, the other day) Just I took a look at the current JMeter site and found that there's still "Copyright 1999-2001" statement at the bottom of each pages. So, I told you the procedure of updating website how-to. Thank you. -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Forrest skin for Jakarta-XX project
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:02:52 +0100 (Subject: RE: Forrest skin for Jakarta-XX project) "BAZLEY, Sebastian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's related to the fact that you did not login to minotaur > > (www.apache.org) via ssh and have not done > > $ umask 0002 > > $ chmod -R g+w /x1/www/jakarta.apache.org/jmeter > > $ cd /www/jakarta.apache.org/jmeter/ > > $ cvs update > > yet. > Sorry, I don't understand what you mean here. > The XSL stylesheets are part of JMeter, and are used to transform the XML > into HTML. > Changes have been made to the VSL (Anakia) stylesheets, but not the XSL > versions, so we cannot currently use XSL to generate either set of > documentation, as far as I know. Sorry, me too at a loss :-) Maybe you can find "new" xsl file via jakarta-site2/xdocs/stylesheets/site.xsl ... Just copy to jmeter module and cvs commit, I guess.. -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Forrest skin for Jakarta-XX project
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:19:13 +0100 "BAZLEY, Sebastian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Would using Forrest cause problems with this? > Or perhaps it would make things easier? Forrest can create PDF file. I think it suffice the users' needs. > At present, the XML is converted using Anakia, with separate VSL fiels for > the site and printable versions - there are some XSL stylesheets, but I > think these are rather out of date. It's related to the fact that you did not login to minotaur (www.apache.org) via ssh and have not done $ umask 0002 $ chmod -R g+w /x1/www/jakarta.apache.org/jmeter $ cd /www/jakarta.apache.org/jmeter/ $ cvs update yet. -- Anyway, I can forrest version of JMeter website, within a few days (Really easy). -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Forrest skin for Jakarta-XX project
Maybe you might have already known, ws-site/ws-axis/ws-soap [1][2][3] are now using the similar skin. (I put the skin into respective modules directly) Sure, I re-used the avalon-tigris, however, the Forrest 0.5.1 avalon-tigris did not suffice our gratifications. I am sure that I can post patches to forrest-dev, however, I am afraid it would affect seriously to avalon-site in the future. What would you say, Avalon-Team? (See http://jakarta.apache.org/poi/) -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [1] - http://ws.apache.org/ [2] - http://ws.apache.org/axis/ [3] - http://ws.apache.org/soap/ On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:14:55 +0200 (Subject: Re: Forrest skin for Jakarta-XX project) Nicola Ken Barozzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nick Chalko wrote: > > Ask the Forrest group I am sure they will include as part of the normal > > build. > > > > Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: > ... > >> I prepared "Jakarta-Skin" which is similar to > >> "POI-skin" (Look and feel: http://jakarta.apache.org/poi/) > >> and I want to put it into jakarta-site2, so that other > >> projects can re-use. > > It looks like the avalon-tigris skin we have in Forrest. ATM this skin > is not very much maintained, so if you would like to send patches, we > can make the project use that one. > > -- > Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - verba volant, scripta manent - > (discussions get forgotten, just code remains) > - > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ Apache Software Foundation Committer: http://www.apache.org/~tetsuya/ fingerprint: E420 3713 FAB0 C160 4A1E 6FC5 5846 23D6 80AE BDEA - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Forrest skin for Jakarta-XX project
Hi, I am now thinking of the *unified* skin (of Apache Forrest) for Jakarta SubProjects... Now, Jakarta-POI uses Apache Forrest for building the site. http://jakarta.apache.org/poi/ I think Jakarta-Tapestry will make use of it. too. (What about Struts?) -- I prepared "Jakarta-Skin" which is similar to "POI-skin" (Look and feel: http://jakarta.apache.org/poi/) and I want to put it into jakarta-site2, so that other projects can re-use. Any thoughts? --------- Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ Apache Software Foundation Committer: http://www.apache.org/~tetsuya/ fingerprint: E420 3713 FAB0 C160 4A1E 6FC5 5846 23D6 80AE BDEA - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ANN] The Apache Newsletter Issue #2 Released
The Apache Newsletter Issue #2 Released Thanks to all the contributors/editors of the newsletter, the first "The Apache Newsletter" (Issue #2) has arrived at last. http://www.apache.org/newsletter/200309.html (News as to August/September, 2003) "The Apache Newsletter" could be published as a result of the outgrowth of "Jakarta Newsletter" and the newsletter can cover all the projects including infrastructure, incubator et cetera. This is the second issue of "The Apache Newsletter", ASF-Wide newsletter. NOTE: We announced that the newsletter would be "monthly", however, we'd decided to make it bi-monthly. You can read it through http://www.apache.org/newsletter/200309.html http://www.apache.org/newsletter/index.html and if you are the subscriber of the "Apache Announcement List" (http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-announce), the e-mail version will be arrived at this "Apache Announcement List" in a few days. I want to thank to those who contributed and hope that you enjoy the read. If you would like to comment further on any of the highlighted discussions then please do so on the appropriate mailing lists [1]. if you want to comment on the newsletter itself then please point your comments to ApacheWiki [2] or mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] [1] - http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html [2] - http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ApacheNewsletterDrafts/Issue3 -- "The Apache Newsletter" Issue #2 (August - September, 2003) Issuer: The Apache Software Foundation -- 15th September, 2003 Editor: Tetsuya Kitahata ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ------ Please enjoy!! Best Regards, -- Tetsuya Kitahata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ Apache Software Foundation Committer: http://www.apache.org/~tetsuya/ FingerPrint: E420 3713 FAB0 C160 4A1E 6FC5 5846 23D6 80AE BDEA The Apache Newsletter: http://www.apache.org/newsletter/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*REMINDER* Re: [Apache Newsletter Draft] News as to Jakarta General Project from Aug. to Sep.
Hi, Jakarta General Mailing List Subscribers, This is a last call for additions for the Aug. to Sep. newsletter. (The Apache Newsletter -- Issue 2 -- http://www.apache.org/newsletter/) There's still time to add articles about your favorite jakarta (and jakarta-related) products to the wiki page. http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ApacheNewsletterDrafts/Issue2 The editorial deadline will be 00:00 (PDT), 11th October. # 07:00 GMT, 11th October If you have a hesitation in writing the article using Apachewiki, please directly write it and let me know. I'll upload it and pick it up as an article in the next newsletter. Yes, if you do have a hesitation on writing article via Wiki, please send e-mails to me <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> directly. Anticipating nice blurb :-) Sincerely, -- Tetsuya Kitahata ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 23:02:58 +0900 (Subject: [Apache Newsletter Draft] News as to Jakarta General Project from Aug. to Sep.) Tetsuya Kitahata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Jakarta General Mailing List Subscribers, > > Hello, > > Apache newsletter is in progress of preparing the second all-Apache > newsletter, news from August to September 2003, which will be > published in the middle of October 2003. > > === What is "The Apache Newsletter"? === > http://www.apache.org/newsletter/ > > > the 'Apache Newsletter Issue 2' will be appeared at > http://www.apache.org/newsletter/200309.html > and the editorial deadline will be 00:00 GMT-7000, 11th October. > > We lowered the barrier to entry -anyone will be able to easily > contribute, as prepared the ApacheWiki > (http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi). > > If you have anything to be added to the ApacheWiki, please go to > http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ApacheNewsletterDrafts/Issue2 > and fill up what you want to append. > (A few editors per (sub)project would be highly appreciated, indeed) > Of course, if you do have a hesitation on writing article via Wiki, > please send e-mails to me <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> directly. > > Probably, the former newsletter (Apache Newsletter Issue #1) > might be able to give you some hints in writing the articles. > cf. http://www.apache.org/newsletter/200307.html > > I am waiting your contributions. Please e-mail to me <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > whensoever you have a question about this newsletter. > > Hope to hear from you > > Sincerely, > > -- Tetsuya Kitahata ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > - > Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.terra-intl.com/ > (The Apache Newsletter Issuer/Editor) > http://www.apache.org/newsletter/ > > > ----- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ Apache Software Foundation Committer: http://www.apache.org/~tetsuya/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs/stylesheets project.xml
This message was tooo big for ezmlm, so loop back to me :-( Here I attach it. --- tetsuya 2003/10/06 16:01:11 Modified:docs index.html docs/site acknowledgements.html agreement.html binindex.html bugs.html communication.html contact.html contributing.html convert-to-mirror.html cvsindex.html cvsonunix.html cvsonwin32.html decisions.html dirlayout.html elsewhere.html faqs.html getinvolved.html guidelines.html guides.html idedev-rdeclipse.html idedev-rdnetbeans.html idedev-rdtomcat.html idedevelopers.html idiot.html jakarta-site-tags-example.html jakarta-site-tags.html jakarta-site2.html jakarta-site2b.html jars.html jon.html jspa-agreement.html jspa-position.html legal.html library.html mail.html mail2.html management.html methodology.html micromail.html mission.html newbie.html newproject.html news-2000.html news-2001.html news-2002.html news-2003.html news.html os.html other-releases.html overview.html packageversioning.html proposal.html roles.html source.html sourceindex.html understandingopensource.html vendors.html versioning.html whoweare.html docs/site/news 200206.html 200207.html 200208.html 200209.html 200210.html 200211.html 200212.html 200301.html 200303.html 200305.html editor.html index.html docs/site/pmc 01-01-17-meeting-minutes.html 01-01-17-pictures.html 01-03-19-meeting-agenda.html 01-03-19-meeting-irclog.html 01-03-19-meeting-summary.html 01-04-22-meeting-irclog.html 02-01-30-elections.html index.html xdocs/stylesheets project.xml Log: Added our new AMIGO, "Jakarta-Pluto": left-side navigator --- # See the CVS LOG online for more details ------- Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Patch for jakarta-site2/.../whoweare.xml
On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:27:50 -0400 otisg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thank you for the promptness! Okeydoke. By the way, would it be possible for you to update "committers" module: /board/committie-info.txt ?? (You have a sufficient karma, I am sure) The same goes for the other Jakarta (and any other TLPs PMC members!) PMC members. :-) > Otis -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fw: announceapacheorg (again)
FYI (for the release manager) Forwarded by Tetsuya Kitahata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Original Message --- From:Tetsuya Kitahata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:Sat, 04 Oct 2003 21:10:57 +0900 Subject: announceapacheorg (again) Hi, I noticed that http://www.opendeveloper.org/ this page collects the news from announceapacheorg. I am trying to modify http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ReleaseManager as well :-) -- I suspect that the mixture of http://jakarta.apache.org/site/elsewhere.html#20030929.1 and http://jakarta.apache.org/site/elsewhere.html#20030926.1 would be the best "Release Announcements"... What do you think? (At least, 3-5 line blurb would be necessary) -- Anyway, **Announcements At Apache** If your project got an consensus on the release of the product, please make use of both the Apache Software Foundation Wide Announcement list and the announcement list for each top level projects. (ASF-Wide Announcement list) http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-announce Take care, ------- Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - Original Message Ends - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Commit Message (Re: Footprints to the mail)
This is my post in the distant past, however, maybe contains useful information for the new committers. I subscribe to all the -dev lists in jakarta.apache.org and often see "Where is my commit message?" questions from new committers. Yes, there is a reason. 1. Remote moderators have not moderated your commit message yet 2. You ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) are not a subscriber to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Maybe, the best way would be the subscription to -allow lists. For example, you can post to general-allow-subscribejakartaapacheorg in order to join to "do-not-receive-messages from [EMAIL PROTECTED] but can-post-messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list. The same goes for all the -dev and -cvs lists. (XX-dev-allow-subscribejakartaapacheorg ... etc.) Hope this helps. -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) On Sun, 08 Jun 2003 17:20:03 +0900 (Subject: Re: Footprints to the mail) Tetsuya Kitahata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Danny, Peter. > > On Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:53:07 +0100 > "Danny Angus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > By the time you see: > > > Mailing the commit message... > > cvs has done the important thing, any problems after that are >99% likely to be > > with the mail system. > > d. > > Probably it was my problem. I did not subscribed to site-cvs > (subscribed as another mail account). I think this caused the problem > and my mails remained in the queue. > > I suspected that it was due to the problems of WinCVS, but it was not. > What a relief! > > Again, Thank you very much. >> Peter & Danny > > Sincerely, > > - > Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.terra-intl.com/ > (Apache Jakarta Translation, Japanese) > http://jakarta.terra-intl.com/ > > > ----- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Patch for jakarta-site2/.../whoweare.xml
Done. -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:19:00 -0400 (Subject: Re: Re: Patch for jakarta-site2/.../whoweare.xml) otisg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here it is and thank you. Otis > > ---cut here--- > Index: whoweare.xml > === > RCS file: > /home/cvspublic/jakarta-site2/xdocs/site/whoweare.xml,v > retrieving revision 1.96 > diff -u -r1.96 whoweare.xml > --- whoweare.xml2 Oct 2003 08:55:48 - 1.96 > +++ whoweare.xml3 Oct 2003 12:17:57 - > @@ -129,8 +129,10 @@ > Translation of Tomcat, works on apache/tomcat connectors and > SSL documentation. > > > -Otis Gospodnetic > +Otis Gospodnetic (otis at apache.org) > > +Otis has been an active member of the +href="http://jakarta.apache.org/lucene/";>Lucene team since > 2001. > > > Diane Holt > ---cut here-- > > > > > > Get your own "800" number > Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more > http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag > > > On Fri, 03 Oct 2003, Tetsuya Kitahata ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > wrote: > > > > > Okeydokey. > > > > Please write and put the patch *text* directly to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > (Attachment files with some extensions would be spripped off) > > > > I am willing to apply > > > > -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > > > On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:12:12 -0400 > > (Subject: Patch for jakarta-site2/.../whoweare.xml) > > otisg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I'm a Jakarta PMC member and would like to add my email > address > > > and a bit about me to jakarta-site2/xdocs/site/whoweare.xml. > > > > Unfortunately, I don't have the priviledges to commit my > change, > > > so attached please find the patch. > > > > > > I would appreciate it if somebody could apply this change on > my > > > behalf. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > Otis Gospodnetic > > > > > > > > > > > > Get your own "800" number > > > Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more > > > http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag > > > > --- > > Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. > > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ > > > > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Patch for jakarta-site2/.../whoweare.xml
Okeydokey. Please write and put the patch *text* directly to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Attachment files with some extensions would be spripped off) I am willing to apply -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:12:12 -0400 (Subject: Patch for jakarta-site2/.../whoweare.xml) otisg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > I'm a Jakarta PMC member and would like to add my email address > and a bit about me to jakarta-site2/xdocs/site/whoweare.xml. > Unfortunately, I don't have the priviledges to commit my change, > so attached please find the patch. > > I would appreciate it if somebody could apply this change on my > behalf. > > Thank you, > Otis Gospodnetic > > > > Get your own "800" number > Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more > http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag --- Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Apache Newsletter Draft] News as to Jakarta General Project from Aug. to Sep.
Dear Jakarta General Mailing List Subscribers, Hello, Apache newsletter is in progress of preparing the second all-Apache newsletter, news from August to September 2003, which will be published in the middle of October 2003. === What is "The Apache Newsletter"? === http://www.apache.org/newsletter/ the 'Apache Newsletter Issue 2' will be appeared at http://www.apache.org/newsletter/200309.html and the editorial deadline will be 00:00 GMT-7000, 11th October. We lowered the barrier to entry -anyone will be able to easily contribute, as prepared the ApacheWiki (http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi). If you have anything to be added to the ApacheWiki, please go to http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ApacheNewsletterDrafts/Issue2 and fill up what you want to append. (A few editors per (sub)project would be highly appreciated, indeed) Of course, if you do have a hesitation on writing article via Wiki, please send e-mails to me <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> directly. Probably, the former newsletter (Apache Newsletter Issue #1) might be able to give you some hints in writing the articles. cf. http://www.apache.org/newsletter/200307.html I am waiting your contributions. Please e-mail to me <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> whensoever you have a question about this newsletter. Hope to hear from you Sincerely, -- Tetsuya Kitahata ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --------- Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ (The Apache Newsletter Issuer/Editor) http://www.apache.org/newsletter/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PATCH] add Commons pool to the binaries download page
Applied (and enhanced for source douwnload page). Many thanks! __ Tetsuya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> __ P.S. Could you please use "cvs diff -u" in the next time? On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:36:47 +0200 (Subject: [PATCH] add Commons pool to the binaries download page) Dirk Verbeeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Commons pool isn't listed on the binaries download page. > This pacht will correct it, please apply. > > Thanks > Dirk > > cvs -z9 diff binindex.xml > Index: binindex.xml > === > RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site/xdocs/site/binindex.xml,v > retrieving revision 1.300 > diff -r1.300 binindex.xml > 397a398,413 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANN] The Apache Newsletter Issue #1 Released
Forgot to mention: We have decided to publish "The Apache Newsletter" not monthly but bi-monthly, "The Apache Newsletter Issue #2" will be published around 15th October or thereabouts. To receive the newsletter in e-mail forms, please see http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-announce and follow the subscripition guideline. I'll solicit you for the articles/contributions of various projects in the ASF (apache.org) at the beginning of next month. Have a nice day -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:27:24 +0900 (Subject: [ANN] The Apache Newsletter Issue #1 Released) Tetsuya Kitahata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The Apache Newsletter Issue #1 Released > ------- Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ (Accredited Herrmann Brain Dominance Instrument Facilitator) http://www.hbdi.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jakarta Site/index.html
I've done ... only www.apache.org and jakarta.apache.org "EU Software Patents protest action" pages are now obsolete. Henri, you do not have to "copy and rewind" ... anymore. just do cvs update. Yaaay. -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) P.S. By the way, can anyone resize the "ApacheCon" Logo? It's tooo fat! On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 13:32:05 -0400 (EDT) (Subject: Jakarta Site/index.html) Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What's the plan for this? [The redirect we have on the index.html at > the moment]. > > When are we going to remove it. How do we ensure that people don't blow it > away when they push up news for a release? > > I did: > > cp index.html redirect.html > cp index2.html index.html > cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/cvspublic update index.html > cp index.html index2.html > cp redirect.html index.html > rm redirect.html > > I think. Should this be an update script in that directory? > > Hen --- Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ (Accredited Herrmann Brain Dominance Instrument Facilitator) http://www.hbdi.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Eyebrowse: wiped out the garbled characters!
Hello, Noel. CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am afraid that it is determined by GeoIP.so or something , which translated files are really used. -- Peoples, (especially, those in Korea and China) Please review the eyebrowse page (http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/) and let me/us know whether "it worked!" well or not. I assume there's not "garbled characters" any longer, however, I have no way to review/confirm it. Thanks in advance. Sincerely, -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) P.S. Probably, we need "Traditional Chinese" (Big5) version, too :-) Anyone volunteer to it?? -- On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 23:55:40 -0400 (Subject: RE: Eyebrowse: wiped out the garbled characters!) "Noel J. Bergman" wrote: > Please review. I have installed converted properties files and restarted > Tomcat. > > --- Noel > > -Original Message- > From: Tetsuya Kitahata [mailto:tetsuya at apache.org] > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 4:41 > To: Noel J. Bergman > Subject: Re: Eyebrowse: wiped out the garbled characters! > > > Hello, Noel. > > Thanks. I converted chinese and korean properties files, > using, > $ mv eyebrowse_ko.properties eyebrowse_ko.orig > $ mv eyebrowse_zh_CN.properties eyebrowse_zh_CN.orig > $ native2ascii -encoding EUC-KR eyebrowse_ko.orig eyebrowse_ko.properties > $ native2ascii -encoding GB2312 eyebrowse_zh_CN.orig > eyebrowse_zh_CN.properties > > I think you can do the other (european) ones. :) > > -- Tetsuya. (tetsuya at apache.org) > > On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 01:15:26 -0400 > (Subject: RE: Eyebrowse: wiped out the garbled characters!) > "Noel J. Bergman" wrote: > > > Here are ALL of them, including the ja one you already did. Just send me > > back whatever you convert, along with the command(s) you use to do it. > :-) > > > > --- Noel - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ANN] The Apache Newsletter Issue #1 Released
The Apache Newsletter Issue #1 Released Thanks to all the contributors/editors of the newsletter, the first "The Apache Newsletter" (Issue #1) has arrived at last. http://www.apache.org/newsletter/200307.html "The Apache Newsletter" could be published as a result of the outgrowth of "Jakarta Newsletter" and the newsletter can cover all the projects including infrastructure, incubator et cetera. You can read it through http://www.apache.org/newsletter/200307.html http://www.apache.org/newsletter/index.html and if you are the subscriber of the "Apache Announcement List" (http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-announce), the e-mail version will be arrived at this mailing list in several hours. Today, 15th August 2003, is the 58th anniversary of the end of the Pacific War (and World War II) and I am very glad to publish this newsletter in this moment. The internet and the wave of internationalization gradually reduced the boundaries of each countries, as well, this newsletter will be one of the *glue* of the communities in the ASF umbrella, beyond the artificial boundaries of technical languages etc. Hope this can gradually lead the good course of the ASF, avoiding the balkanization of each projects and keep the hand tightly with various projects. I want to thank to those who contributed and hope that you enjoy the read. If you would like to comment further on any of the highlighted discussions then please do so on the appropriate mailing lists [1]. if you want to comment on the newsletter itself then please point your comments to ApacheWiki [2] or mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] [1] - http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html [2] - http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ApacheNewsletterDrafts/Issue2 -- "The Apache Newsletter" Issue #1 Issuer: The Apache Software Foundation -- 15th August, 2003 Editor: Tetsuya Kitahata ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ---------- Please enjoy!! Best Regards, -- Tetsuya Kitahata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ----- Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ (Apache Jakarta Translation, Japanese) http://jakarta.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mbox archives are *all* available online!
Hello, I am not sure about the Eyebrowse. One thing I can say is ... we are now introducing spam filter for all the jakarta subprojects' mailing lists. I am sure this can reduce many burdens of the remote moderators of each mailing lists. (Please let me know if there are *remarkable* effectiveness of the spam filter >> each moderators) Have a nice networking! :D -- On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:35:48 +0200 (Subject: Re: mbox archives are *all* available online!) Ortwin Gl|ck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi > > Can we have obfuscated email addresses in Eyebrowse to prevent > harversting by SPAMmers ? > > Thanks > > Ortwin Gl|ck, Commons HTTP Client > > Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: > > Also, the eyebrowse (http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/) > > has been set up for the many jakarta subprojects. -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mbox archives are *all* available online!
Hi all, http://jakarta.apache.org/mail/ All the mbox archives of jakarta subprojects are now available online! Yay! Also, the eyebrowse (http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/) has been set up for the many jakarta subprojects. Have a nice networking! ;-) -- Tetsuya Kitahata ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) P.S. eyebrowse still contains many garbled characters for me .. :-( - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Invitation to participate in Apache J2EE efforts
By the way, why didn't you post this news to [EMAIL PROTECTED] There are many people who subscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and not to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... I think it would be nessesary in order to make this news effectual to J2EE-minded folks to announce this news at [EMAIL PROTECTED], too. -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 08:58:25 -0700 (Subject: Invitation to participate in Apache J2EE efforts) Greg Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As you may have heard by now, the Apache Software Foundation has initiated a > project to develop an open source, Apache-licensed implementation of the > J2EE specification. In addition, the project is committed to certifying the > implementation as J2EE compliant. This is an ambitious goal and will present > a formidable challenge for the people involved, given the wide range of > technologies covered by the specification. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*REMINDER* last call for july newsletter
This is a last call for additions for the july newsletter. (The Apache Newsletter -- Issue 1 -- http://www.apache.org/newsletter/) There's still time to add articles about your favorite jakarta (and jakarta-related) products to the wiki page. http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ApacheNewsletterDrafts/Issue1 The editorial deadline will be 00:00 (PDT), 9th August. # 07:00 GMT, 9th August If you have a hesitation in writing the article using Apachewiki, please directly write it and let me know. I'll upload it and pick it up as an article in the next newsletter. Anticipating nice blurb :-) Sincerely, -- Tetsuya Kitahata ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Apache Newsletter Draft] News on Jakarta in July, 2003
Oh, really? ... should we rename it to "Apatchy
Newsletter" or something? :-)
...
Anyway, the formal newsletter's name will be "The Apache Newsletter".
("The"-prefixed, capitalized).
I do not want to recall you the issue of "Apache != HTTPD", however,
this newsletter will be able to reduce such kind of *misunderstanding*
gradually, i hope.
Anticipating catchy blurbs/articles :D >> all
-- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
--
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 07:59:20 -0400 (EDT)
(Subject: Re: [Apache Newsletter Draft] News on Jakarta in July, 2003)
Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Just thought I'd point out that the Apache Newsletter is sharing namespace
> with http://www.apacheweek.com/. I've no idea what that's relationship is
> to ASF. I've been getting it for years and only just realised that it's
> not from apache.org.
>
> So you might have some confused readers.
>
> Hen
>
> On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
>
> >
> > Hello, All (Jakarta-General Mailing List Subscribers)
> >
> >
> >
> > I am now preparing the 'The Apache Newsletter Issue 1',
> > the first ASF-wide-newsletter of July 2003, which will be published
> > in the middle of August 2003.
> > -- http://www.apache.org/newsletter/ --
> >
> > This "Apache Newsletter" will be published as a result of the outgrowth
> > of the previous "Jakarta Newsletter" and "Apache Newsletter" can now
> > cover all the projects under apache.org including infrastructure,
> > incubator, xml, webservice, et cetra.
> >
> > 'The Apache Newsletter Issue 1' will be appeared at
> > http://www.apache.org/newsletter/200307.html
> > and the editorial deadline will be 00:00 GMT, 9th August.
> >
> > ApacheWiki (http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi) had
> > been already set up.
> > If you have anything to be added to the ApacheWiki, please go to
> > http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ApacheNewsletterDrafts/Issue1
> > and fill up what you want to append in.
> > If there's nothing news-worthy on your sub/projects, then please write
> > something you *hope* (e.g. XX project will release FINAL version of
> > XX product in the middle of August, etc etc).
> >
> > If you have been voted in warmly as a new committer in ASF the
> > last month (July) please add your name to the list on ApacheWiki.
> >
> > If your project really want some "ADVERTISEMENT" (to recruit
> > new comers, etc etc), please write nice and catchy blurb at the
> > "advertisement" section so that it will attract the readers'
> > attentions.
> >
> > Probably, the former newsletter final draft and newsletter itself
> > (Jakarta Newsletter Issue 9)
> > will give you some hints in writing the articles.
> > cf.
> > http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?JakartaNewsletterDrafts/Issue9
> > http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news/200305.html
> >
> > If you have any questions about this, please send your messages to
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > This Newsletter will be published as webpage and be announced
> > at [EMAIL PROTECTED] (the ASF-wide announcement list)
> > To subscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED],
> > please follow this instruction:
> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-announce
> >
> >
> > Hope to hear from many jakarta subprojects!!
> > (If you feel hesitation in writing articles on ApacheWiki, please
> > write your memo in this "Jakarta General" mailing list or give me
> > a note).
> > http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ApacheNewsletterDrafts/Issue1
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> >
> > -- Tetsuya Kitahata ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> >
> >
> > P.S. Also, your voice at "Readers' Voice" section will be
> > highly appreciated. Contributions from readers are cordially
> > invited !!
> >
> > -----
> > Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc.
> > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://www.terra-intl.com/
> > (Apache Jakarta Translation, Japanese)
> > http://jakarta.terra-intl.com/
> >
> >
> > -
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[Apache Newsletter Draft] News on Jakarta in July, 2003
Hello, All (Jakarta-General Mailing List Subscribers) I am now preparing the 'The Apache Newsletter Issue 1', the first ASF-wide-newsletter of July 2003, which will be published in the middle of August 2003. -- http://www.apache.org/newsletter/ -- This "Apache Newsletter" will be published as a result of the outgrowth of the previous "Jakarta Newsletter" and "Apache Newsletter" can now cover all the projects under apache.org including infrastructure, incubator, xml, webservice, et cetra. 'The Apache Newsletter Issue 1' will be appeared at http://www.apache.org/newsletter/200307.html and the editorial deadline will be 00:00 GMT, 9th August. ApacheWiki (http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi) had been already set up. If you have anything to be added to the ApacheWiki, please go to http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ApacheNewsletterDrafts/Issue1 and fill up what you want to append in. If there's nothing news-worthy on your sub/projects, then please write something you *hope* (e.g. XX project will release FINAL version of XX product in the middle of August, etc etc). If you have been voted in warmly as a new committer in ASF the last month (July) please add your name to the list on ApacheWiki. If your project really want some "ADVERTISEMENT" (to recruit new comers, etc etc), please write nice and catchy blurb at the "advertisement" section so that it will attract the readers' attentions. Probably, the former newsletter final draft and newsletter itself (Jakarta Newsletter Issue 9) will give you some hints in writing the articles. cf. http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?JakartaNewsletterDrafts/Issue9 http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news/200305.html If you have any questions about this, please send your messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This Newsletter will be published as webpage and be announced at [EMAIL PROTECTED] (the ASF-wide announcement list) To subscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED], please follow this instruction: http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-announce Hope to hear from many jakarta subprojects!! (If you feel hesitation in writing articles on ApacheWiki, please write your memo in this "Jakarta General" mailing list or give me a note). http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ApacheNewsletterDrafts/Issue1 Sincerely, -- Tetsuya Kitahata ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) P.S. Also, your voice at "Readers' Voice" section will be highly appreciated. Contributions from readers are cordially invited !! - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ (Apache Jakarta Translation, Japanese) http://jakarta.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: move user lists to mail.html from mail2.html?
On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 22:49:37 +0100 robert burrell donkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i've been thinking about this and i think that maybe there's a way to > change the pages that will improving things for users whilst still > preventing problems with people not reading the rules. this is really only > a major problem for developer lists. > maybe we could try moving the user lists to the bottom of the first page > and then leave the link to the developer lists on the second page. maybe > the extra space could be used to add some links that of interest for > potential contributors. I made many changes to mail.html and mail2.html the other day. Now, each subprojects can point out http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html#(projectname/acronym) directly. I do not think separating the intro page of userlist from that of devlist is a good idea (sorry). I am afraid it might cause confusions to the users/developers. Rather, I would like to prompt each projects to 1. change left-side navi of each projects 2. change message trailer (footer of each mails) #1: please see the sample of this: http://jakarta.apache.org/poi/ #2: The Apache Jakarta POI Project will use these message trailers below, ((Jakarta POI-dev list)) =(CUT HERE)== - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mailing List:http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html#poi The Apache Jakarta POI Project: http://jakarta.apache.org/poi/ =(E N D)=== ((Jakarta Poi-user list)) =(CUT HERE)== - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mailing List: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html#poi The Apache Jakarta Poi Project: http://jakarta.apache.org/poi/ =(E N D)=== -- I think these above are enough. -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail2.html -> mail.html
Thank you for the comment, Robert. TO tell the truth, my original motivation to arise this issue was concering to the upcoming newsletter. I published the final "Jakarta Newsletter" in early this month and I found I made some mistakes. Also, there was something which I got aware: <<1>> I've forgot to append the URL of Apache Ant. There might be someone who came to jakarta-general, not knowing that Ant had been separated and have own mailng lists. <<2>> I wrote: 'If you would like to comment further on any of the highlighted discussions then please do so on the appropriate list [4], [4] - http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html' However, at the same time I felt guilty about this .. thinking "Oh, how user unfriendly I am!" <<3>> I have felt the mail trailer (can be seen at the bottom of each mails) can be improved in the future. I was getting too nervous on the next Newsletter (ASF-wide) and thought "before it is too late"... -- Anyway, I will perform the improvements gradually... There seem many rooms for improvements even in the current site/mail2.html. Thank you all who participated in this issue for the comments! Sincerely, -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 23:17:40 +0100 (Subject: Re: mail2.html -> mail.html) robert burrell donkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > jakarta came round to having two pages for mail subscriptions after > having years of regular problems with people joining the lists who > had no idea about how to behave. the pages are user unfriendly but > the old solution (ie publically and vocally humiliating posters on > list) was worse (since it discouraged many lurkers with valuable > opinions from speaking out for fear of being shot down in flames). > > i don't think that reading through a page of instructions is too much > to ask for the benefit of the community not having to waste time and > energy shooting down ignorant and disruptive posters. one proof that > this policy works is that the last occasion that i can remember this > being necessary was with somebody who'd subscribed via news. > > i would support a move of the other information on the deeper page > (about the archives, for example) to a better location. i'd also be > happy to support some alternative system (maybe using ezmlm) which > was equally effective. i'd also support any sub-project who was happy > about being listed on the front page being moved there. > > - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail2.html -> mail.html
On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 20:02:57 +0100 "Danny Angus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was dead against this when Tetsuya first raised the issue, > I'm still dead against this, and likely to remain so until someone > can explain to me why it would be better than what we currently have. 1. Current pages are user-*un*friendly: My proposal is user-friendly: *user* means "future developer", who might devote to the jakarta activities and the ASF activities in the future. I can not find any good reasons to keep current pages unchanged, in other words. 2. Please see Andrew and Henri's comments. These implied the *reason* what you wanted, I think. > What we have is (as far as I'm aware) the result of responding to the > actions of people in respect of the mailing lists, and intended to reduce > the amount of brain-dead misuse. I'd worrry that changing it would > re-introduce problems. I am not sure whether all the subscribers have read the guideline completely and have respect to mailing lists. If they are wise enough and given that people had read mail.html page, http://jakarta.apache.org/site/micromail.html would not have dead linked pages * at all*, I think. (This page is now linked by site/mail.html, as you all can see. And .. sorry I do not use any mail clients/ servers created by MS, so I won't/can't apply any changes to this page) Also, I am not sure whether it would re-introduce problems. Aren't there any alternative method which fulfill these two? : 1. Keep User-Friendli-ness 2. Avoid Trouble I suggested various approaching methods in the past. Probably, there might be much *better* way. > If there is an issue with lists being hard to find, or instructions > unclear lets hear it. *chicken* and *egg*. Who felt hardness to find *appropriate list* won't come to this list and can not comment to your line. You'll not be able to hear their voices. Also, it takes at least 10-30 seconds to find the *appropriate* lists out even though using *Ctrl+F* at current site/mail2.html. What would happen after directly, simply indicating the *appropriate* lists??? (again) e.g. http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html#general -- I think the policy of Apache (Jakarta) might have had "A Patchy" spirits, providing experimental space for all the people. There are no reason for letting the beginners feel unease, enforce them to wander off and get lost in the jakarta desert. Why not adopting "Easy to entry: Learn more here" approaching method?? I am trying to reduce the user-*un*friendli-ness from jakarta gradually... Sincerely, -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail2.html -> mail.html
On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 18:48:16 +0100 (Subject: Re: mail2.html -> mail.html) Michael Davey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: > > >No, my original intention was derived from just this simple question: > >"Why doesn't each subprojects' left-side navi point to the *appropriate* > >section in mail2.html?" > I was dead against this when Tetsuya first raised the issue, but I think > I am coming round to Tetsuya's way of thinking. Perhaps ezmlm could be > changed so that the confirm subscription and welcome email messages > start with some text similar to that used on the mail.html page. > Additionally, the -dev lists could warn that -user should be used for > questions including developer questions, where appropriate. Some Apache > lists already do one or both of these, but many don't do either. Thank you. I think so. If possible, additional mail trailer (footer) might be preferable. These below are *sample* of the mail (message) trailers. Any comments, improvements are welcomed :D e.g. Jakarta-General - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Apache Jakarta Website http://jakarta.apache.org/ e.g. Jakarta-Tomcat-Dev - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mailing List Guidelines :http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html e.g. Jakarta-Tomcat-User - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jakarta Tomcat Website http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/ > In any case, I don't think we can protect ourselves completely from > fools ;) Ditto :D -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail2.html -> mail.html
On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 11:57:10 -0400 (Subject: Re: mail2.html -> mail.html) "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The nice thing about the current approach is that you can't get to see > the links w/o having to have read enough of the first page to > understand that you have to click through to the next page. > > Otherwise, people will just skip down until they find what they want > and then have missed what is some good prelim info for our community. > It's not much of a burden on people, as once you've done it, you just > know to skip to bottom and go to the mail for new lists... > > geir No, my original intention was derived from just this simple question: "Why doesn't each subprojects' left-side navi point to the *appropriate* section in mail2.html?" For example, if Jakarta-Poi's website have the direct link (http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html#poi) in its' left side navigator, people will not wander the mail.html/mail2.html and be satisfied surely. Next, in this situation, I thought the current mail.html is meaningless, so why not conjoin mail.html and mail2.html? (Also, please see the sample below) For me, subscribe/unsubscribe is very easy, because I remember *-subscribe*/*-unsubscribe* suffix :D However, there are many people who can not find the way to unsubscribe each mailing lists :D, even though each mails has *appripriate* mail trailer (signature). Things might be better to become simpler. Sincerely, -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > On Sunday, July 20, 2003, at 11:48 AM, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: > > > On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 11:33:20 -0400 > > "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>> I believe the idea is to make people read the rules first, I wouldn't > >>> advise > >>> changing it unless you have a good reason to, if it ain't broke don't > >>> fix > >>> it. > >> Yes, that's what i was trying to hint at :) > > > > I know this and the purpose. > > > > Alternatively, > > > > e.g.-site/mail.html > > GUIDELINE(#guideline) > > > > (brief description) > > . > > Tomcat > > User List > > SubscribeUnsubscribe ArchiveGuideline(jump to > > #guideline) > > Dev List > > SubscribeUnsubscribe ArchiveGuideline > > .. > > > > > > This might be enough, I think. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail2.html -> mail.html
On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 11:33:20 -0400 "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I believe the idea is to make people read the rules first, I wouldn't > > advise > > changing it unless you have a good reason to, if it ain't broke don't > > fix > > it. > Yes, that's what i was trying to hint at :) I know this and the purpose. Alternatively, e.g.-site/mail.html GUIDELINE(#guideline) (brief description) . Tomcat User List SubscribeUnsubscribe ArchiveGuideline(jump to #guideline) Dev List SubscribeUnsubscribe ArchiveGuideline .. This might be enough, I think. Sincerely, -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail2.html -> mail.html
On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 06:21:13 -0400 "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think that each subprojects can indicate the direct/appropriate > > subscribe/unscribe section from each subprojects' pages. > > (Now: e.g. http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html#tomcat > > future: e.g. http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html#tomcat) > > > > Any thoughts? > > I think the motivation is to force people to read the first page before > they get to the second. Yes, I think so. However, there are many many mailing list in mail2.html and we did not point out the *appropriate* mail list in the past, it seems. (We often use this phrase, "subscribe to the *appropriate* lists" ... not user-friendly phrase...) Promoting to point out directly the *appropriate* mail lists (e.g. http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html#tomcat or http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html#tomcat) might be better than now, I think. If httpd, ant or whatever in apache.org had failed to let people read the MailList *guideline*, I am willing to withdraw my proposal. Sincerely, -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mail2.html -> mail.html
Hi all, I am wondering how it might be if deleting jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html and putting all the contents to jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html All the Apache TLPs (Top Level Projects) do not separate the mail list explanation pages like jakarta, AFAICS. cf. http://ant.apache.org/mail.html http://httpd.apache.org/lists.html I think that each subprojects can indicate the direct/appropriate subscribe/unscribe section from each subprojects' pages. (Now: e.g. http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html#tomcat future: e.g. http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html#tomcat) Any thoughts? -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Professional Apache Discussion
Alex, Forgotten to tell. How about this? http://apache-server.com/opportunities.html Sincerely, -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- AIM# tkitahata - On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 11:04:31 +0100 (Subject: Professional Apache Discussion) Alex McLintock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there any discussion going on of being professional Apache consultants? > This sort of commercial discussion seems to be disliked on most software > related mailing lists. > > Nicola Ken Barozzi (sp?) started up a list for this but it seems to be > silent now. > > > Alex - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HELP WANTED or The merge is on! HSSF- now with improved performance for your pleasure!
Andrew, All (Jakarta-General) On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 12:04:24 -0400 (Subject: HELP WANTED or The merge is on! HSSF- now with improved performance for your pleasure!) "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 5. Tetsuya had some ideas that he sent me but I've never had a chance to > look at (yet) and I'm hoping he'll pipe up on the list now that he's more > comfortable and discuss him with everyone and I can digest them more from > the conversation. He's shy but I'm trying to bring him out ;-) Wow... This month, I am planning to master the Apache James more, and will be busy preparing for the *NEW* wonderful job -- Apache NewsLetter :-) I am planning to devote to Poi more in the next month. -- All, please feel free to participate to jakarta-poi developer mailing list and discuss. And, sorry for the annoyance... (We need the *new blood*s ... and hope poi will be sublimated to the *fileformats* TLP umbrella project ... not only MS-EXCEL, Word format also TNEF, PDF, GZIP, ZIP, IMAGES, OLE2CDF'd, Lotus, etc...) Sincerely, -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- AIM# tkitahata - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: http://www.apache.org/foundation/projects.html
Then why does Poi reside in the "Libraries, Tools, and APIs " category? Might I perform surgery on the index.xml/index.html? :D Sincerely, -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- AIM# tkitahata - On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 20:55:18 -0400 (Subject: Re: http://www.apache.org/foundation/projects.html) "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > POI is absolutely server side. It has some uses on the client but the whole > design is aimed at the servlet stream. Otherwise it would be based on > java.io.File > > -andy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.apache.org/foundation/projects.html
http://www.apache.org/foundation/projects.html ... Jakarta = Server-side Java I did not know that Jakarta-Poi is server-side java based product :D -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) P.S. Rather, "Java based total solution in Apache.Org" or "Jakarta is an umbrella for Java related Apache integration efforts" might be preferable. Any thoughts? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
