Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: newcomer:
10. Tell the world about your new address. and last but not least: 11. Profit! Is this anything like the underpants gnome method of success? Because it kinda feels like it. :-) -Andrew -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: newcomer:
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Guerizec wrote: If you have a static IP, you can also buy a domain name (I'm personaly glad with gandi.net and wouldn't change for anything else). FYI - you can also do this with a static IP - you just need to contract with a DNS service that supports dynamic DNS. Namecheap.com works fine for this (although their minimum TTL is a little high for dynamic DNS). I'd also arrange for backup MX - such as with dnsmadeasy. Then if your IP is unreachable or you're offline you don't lose any mail or make list admins angry. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFLTuhG4/rWKZmVWkRAsa+AKDSdnvxwaBiucuIkzmUdNGAohukngCgyqS3 d+7jI3MRcGVqD3ZPlJwDXoU= =Pzkw -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
[gentoo-amd64] Re: newcomer:
Peter Davoust [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Sun, 08 Oct 2006 20:17:33 -0400: Well, that was also an enlightening e-mail. I just disabled and deleted all cookies in Firefox, and now I'm going to do as Richard described and setup my own e-mail account. Any good ideas/howto's about how to setup a mail server? FWIW, I use konqueror as my default browser and have it set to accept session cookies by default -- but those are deleted when konqueror exits so don't stay around long. Konqueror has a default cookie option, but allows different policies for individual sites. My default (other than for session cookies) is don't allow, but I do have a few sites I do allow them on -- my bank's site, for example, for online banking, and LWN.org (Linux Weekly News) so I can post article followups using my account there. Konqueror has similar settings for Java (which I don't have any version of merged as most are slaveryware, and I've not needed it enough to bother with the freedomware versions), and javascript, which again I keep off by default, but allow for a very few specific sites, including my bank. It also has a plugin (part of konq-plugins in kdeaddons I'm guessing) that allows me to one-shot quick-switch both the cookie and the scripting settings and reload a page if it doesn't work without it. That's fairly often required for scripting, as many sites require it nowdays. However, even with scripting enabled, konqueror has finer security settings on what it is allowed to do (like popups yes/no/ask, etc), and those too have a general default with per-site exceptions available where needed. I'm guessing Firefox (which I don't have merged) has similar per-site options, altho it's possible you need an extension for full control. ... As for mail servers, I don't know enough on the subject to be worth posting on, so I won't. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: newcomer:
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Peter Davoust wrote: Well, that was also an enlightening e-mail. I just disabled and deleted all cookies in Firefox, and now I'm going to do as Richard described and setup my own e-mail account. Any good ideas/howto's about how to setup a mail server? Well, I'm guessing you don't have much background, so your first objective will probably be to ease yourself into this without getting innundanted and losing all your email for a week due to some glitch. I'd SLOWLY go through the following steps: 1. Get a basic mail server running on your system - you generally need one anyway if only so that cron jobs and such can send mail to your root account. This will be internal-only. 2. Play around with sending mail to yourself locally - just to get a feel for things. 3. Get an IMAP server running - and then try viewing your play mail through it using thunderbird/kmail/whatever. 4. Set up fetchmail to retrieve your real mail and forward it to you. You can use an appropriate option at first so that it only copies your mail and you can still use gmail/etc on the side. 5. Set up your mailserver to send outgoing mail - probably via your ISP (you can just send it directly but if you have a dynamic IP you might get spamfiltered by the big players). This can be a little tricky. 6. Start using your local mail in production - send your mail from this box and read it from the IMAP store. You still have your email saved at gmail in case anything goes wrong. 7. Experiment with procmail/spamassassin/clamav/etc. Again, a good time to do this is when you won't risk losing mail. 8. Go ahead and cut the umbilical cord if you want. 9. Look into setting up a dynamic DNS and set up your own incoming mailserver. Play with that for a while before advertising your new address. 10. Tell the world about your new address. If you only get up to step 5/6 or so you'll realize most of the benefits, and you'll learn a ton. If you take your time you won't end up in any frustrating situations. There are a ton of howtos out there gentoo and otherwise. I'd probably recommend the following setup: postfix as a mail server - powerful but basically works out of the box and is comprehensible. courier-imap as an IMAP server. There is also dovecot but I've run into issues with it. Use maildir-style mailboxes. They have a number of advantages and are well supported. Use fetchmail to retrieve your mail to your local account. This is a very powerful program and pretty simple to set up. Run it as a cron-job once you've gotten it working. Once you are ready for the next step clamav is a good virus scanner, spamassassin works well as a junk filter, and procmail is good for mail sorting/autoreplying/etc. If you just did an emerge postfix courier-imap you'd probably be able to fumble with config files and get yourself running surprisingly fast. A good starting point is: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/virt-mail-howto.xml It is massive overkill - take it one step at a time and unless you're running an ISP I wouldn't bother with mysql or anything like that. Keep in mind that you don't REALLY need to run your own mail server, so take your time and have fun with it. You'll learn a lot about SMTP in the process. And don't open your mail server to the outside world until you are sure it won't relay spam - or you WILL find yourself in this position. There are a ton of open-relay test sites out there which will let you test yourself out. Good luck! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFKtlbG4/rWKZmVWkRAqrcAKCHPd34ANNcSM6PhtfdHD3cy8ApMgCfWf/G S6Qt2Yg2holtIEygYt3+CDI= =3RsF -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
[gentoo-amd64] Re: newcomer:
Jason Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Sun, 08 Oct 2006 02:29:46 -0600: thank you, bot or not... And I must apologize in advance: I run my mailserver off of a sometimes shaky satellite connection. I won't change this, until I have a colo, as my users, especially myself, will not be subjected to mail stored on a non-encrypted partition with strangers having access. That being said, sometimes I answer things that were answered an hour ago and look like a total fool. I'm a total fool for sure, but this is due to mailserver issues. Please have a little patience for this thanks, Not a problem. One of the neat things about mailing lists (and newsgroups) is that often there will be multiple answers. That's fine, as everybody emphasizes different things and has different styles. My answers tend to be long and explain the background, teaching the ideas behind the solution so one can fix similar problems on their own if they see them again. Others answer only the immediate question, in two sentences. The great thing is that the person asking (and anybody else reading who hadn't asked but didn't yet know) gets to choose the reply that works best for them. As for OT crap. Same thing there. As Simon Stelling said earlier, if it's of no concern to you or bothers you, simply killfile that topic. If a particular poster consistently irritates you, simply killfile his posts. Also, since you mentioned an inconsistent mail feed, perhaps this will be of use to you. I and a number of others participate in this group not using mail, but as a newsgroup, using the services of gmane.org's list2news gateway. That's a better interface for me. gmane also has a web interface, presenting the list as a web forum, if that suits you better than either the standard mail interface or gmane's news interface. Others use gmail for their public lists, figuring it's a widely circulated public list anyway, so whatever gmail may profile from the list posts is fine with them. Given your statements about mail, that may not sit well with you, just as using gmail for personal mail doesn't sit well AT ALL with me. However, I'd be open to using it for a list such as this, except that I don't particularly like either web forums or webmail. Anyway, just letting you know a few of the other options out there. Which option you choose is up to you. =8^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: newcomer:
You bring up an issue I wanted to ask about: Why wouldn't you use gmail as your personal e-mail? I've heard people saying it's evil, and that google is fascist, but I don't really know what to believe. Personally I like the features that gmail offers, and I think it's great that it stores all my mail ever sent so I can access my old e-mails still if my hard drive gets wiped (which happens accidentally or not every month or so). Thoughts? -Peter On Sun, 2006-10-08 at 10:51 +, Duncan wrote: Jason Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Sun, 08 Oct 2006 02:29:46 -0600: thank you, bot or not... And I must apologize in advance: I run my mailserver off of a sometimes shaky satellite connection. I won't change this, until I have a colo, as my users, especially myself, will not be subjected to mail stored on a non-encrypted partition with strangers having access. That being said, sometimes I answer things that were answered an hour ago and look like a total fool. I'm a total fool for sure, but this is due to mailserver issues. Please have a little patience for this thanks, Not a problem. One of the neat things about mailing lists (and newsgroups) is that often there will be multiple answers. That's fine, as everybody emphasizes different things and has different styles. My answers tend to be long and explain the background, teaching the ideas behind the solution so one can fix similar problems on their own if they see them again. Others answer only the immediate question, in two sentences. The great thing is that the person asking (and anybody else reading who hadn't asked but didn't yet know) gets to choose the reply that works best for them. As for OT crap. Same thing there. As Simon Stelling said earlier, if it's of no concern to you or bothers you, simply killfile that topic. If a particular poster consistently irritates you, simply killfile his posts. Also, since you mentioned an inconsistent mail feed, perhaps this will be of use to you. I and a number of others participate in this group not using mail, but as a newsgroup, using the services of gmane.org's list2news gateway. That's a better interface for me. gmane also has a web interface, presenting the list as a web forum, if that suits you better than either the standard mail interface or gmane's news interface. Others use gmail for their public lists, figuring it's a widely circulated public list anyway, so whatever gmail may profile from the list posts is fine with them. Given your statements about mail, that may not sit well with you, just as using gmail for personal mail doesn't sit well AT ALL with me. However, I'd be open to using it for a list such as this, except that I don't particularly like either web forums or webmail. Anyway, just letting you know a few of the other options out there. Which option you choose is up to you. =8^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: newcomer:
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Peter Davoust wrote: You bring up an issue I wanted to ask about: Why wouldn't you use gmail as your personal e-mail? For me it is a couple of things - one is that I prefer to have email addresses that I can keep that are not client-dependent. Sure, right now gmail allows POP3 access, but that could change some day. Plus, some day if gmail's spam filters become lousy I don't need to redistribute new email addresses to everybody I know. As far as their saving messages go - I've got an IMAP store with just about every email I've ever sent (well, at least since I started understanding what I was doing and had PPP/SLIP access to the net). Gmail might offer the same right now, but down the road if they have a glitch and lose your email you won't have much recourse (you get what you pay for). I just keep all my mail in an IMAP store, and I can try any mail client I want anytime I want. I can use thunderbird over vnc over ssh remotely, or if that lags too much I can just use squirrelmail or something like that. I could even open up my IMAP server to the world and use gmail to read my IMAP mail I suppose (I assume gmail handles IMAP on other servers). After all the sylpheed-claws talk a few days ago I emerged it, tried it out, and now I'm back on thunderbird after tweaking it. The nice thing about open standards is that you aren't married to anything - even if it is something good at the moment. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFKSYwG4/rWKZmVWkRAqc6AKCjqURRoBA6J1nTvC06rGI/ELyiUACfadBL lIsB0WpcSMbG8Vl0nXrk/lI= =CO+f -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: newcomer:
That's a good point, but I'm not really sure how to setup or even use an IMAP share. Also, (I assume you're talking about setting up an e-mail address like [EMAIL PROTECTED]), don't you have to buy a domain name for that? -Peter On Sun, 2006-10-08 at 12:24 -0400, Richard Freeman wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Peter Davoust wrote: You bring up an issue I wanted to ask about: Why wouldn't you use gmail as your personal e-mail? For me it is a couple of things - one is that I prefer to have email addresses that I can keep that are not client-dependent. Sure, right now gmail allows POP3 access, but that could change some day. Plus, some day if gmail's spam filters become lousy I don't need to redistribute new email addresses to everybody I know. As far as their saving messages go - I've got an IMAP store with just about every email I've ever sent (well, at least since I started understanding what I was doing and had PPP/SLIP access to the net). Gmail might offer the same right now, but down the road if they have a glitch and lose your email you won't have much recourse (you get what you pay for). I just keep all my mail in an IMAP store, and I can try any mail client I want anytime I want. I can use thunderbird over vnc over ssh remotely, or if that lags too much I can just use squirrelmail or something like that. I could even open up my IMAP server to the world and use gmail to read my IMAP mail I suppose (I assume gmail handles IMAP on other servers). After all the sylpheed-claws talk a few days ago I emerged it, tried it out, and now I'm back on thunderbird after tweaking it. The nice thing about open standards is that you aren't married to anything - even if it is something good at the moment. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFKSYwG4/rWKZmVWkRAqc6AKCjqURRoBA6J1nTvC06rGI/ELyiUACfadBL lIsB0WpcSMbG8Vl0nXrk/lI= =CO+f -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: newcomer:
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Peter Davoust wrote: That's a good point, but I'm not really sure how to setup or even use an IMAP share. If you have your mail in a .maildir then it is as simple as emerging courier-imap. If not, it is still just as easy - just set up your IMAP folder which will be empty, open it from your existing mail client, and copy your folders over wholesale. Also, (I assume you're talking about setting up an e-mail address like [EMAIL PROTECTED]), don't you have to buy a domain name for that? Well, you can just use fetchmail to get your mail from some other source, but domain names only cost $8/year or so - not a big deal. There are a billion mail redirection services who will simply forward mail for that domain to an address that you specify, which you can then fetch into your IMAP store. Or, if you have a static IP or set up dynamic DNS you can run your own mail server. Sure, not internet 101, but you can scale the approach to your desired level of sophistication and still have the benefits of an IMAP folder store. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFKWQOG4/rWKZmVWkRAkVXAKCms3geZJ1u+tprx9JAhclWRaLZpQCgsaY+ uqEYn4QI4fO7KYr9Q89yqLU= =ZZZ4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: newcomer:
That's great! I'll try it when I get a chance. Right now I'm using Fedora so I can study for the RHCE exam, but I'm probably going to get back to Gentoo soon. -Peter On Sun, 2006-10-08 at 16:48 -0400, Richard Freeman wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Peter Davoust wrote: That's a good point, but I'm not really sure how to setup or even use an IMAP share. If you have your mail in a .maildir then it is as simple as emerging courier-imap. If not, it is still just as easy - just set up your IMAP folder which will be empty, open it from your existing mail client, and copy your folders over wholesale. Also, (I assume you're talking about setting up an e-mail address like [EMAIL PROTECTED]), don't you have to buy a domain name for that? Well, you can just use fetchmail to get your mail from some other source, but domain names only cost $8/year or so - not a big deal. There are a billion mail redirection services who will simply forward mail for that domain to an address that you specify, which you can then fetch into your IMAP store. Or, if you have a static IP or set up dynamic DNS you can run your own mail server. Sure, not internet 101, but you can scale the approach to your desired level of sophistication and still have the benefits of an IMAP folder store. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFKWQOG4/rWKZmVWkRAkVXAKCms3geZJ1u+tprx9JAhclWRaLZpQCgsaY+ uqEYn4QI4fO7KYr9Q89yqLU= =ZZZ4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
