Re: [gentoo-amd64] 64 newbie
lnxg33k wrote: The amd64 should include the same steps you'd need for the Opteron; > just change your -march setting in the cflags (covered in the manual). You shouldn't have to do that. If you boot from the proper ISO, i.e. one for the amd64, it will have been done for you. It's always good to know your system, but the entire installation process is rather painless (minus my experience with Grub which isn't architecture dependent). I still use grub-static, but it may now be possible to compile grub now. -- Rgds Peter. -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-amd64] 64 newbie
On Monday 23 January 2006 04:47 pm, Thierry de Coulon wrote: > Hello all, > > I have been a Linux user for over five years - mostly using SuSE first, > then Debian based distributions, but from time to time "toying" with > Gentoo. > > Now I'm in the process of building an Opteron based machine and decided it > would be a good idea to build a Gentoo-amd64 distribution. > > I've googled quite a bit but I would still like to ask a few questions, > such as: > - are there special points I should pay attention to or can I simply follow > the amd64 install instruction? > - As far as I understand there are still lots of programs that won't > compile in 64 bit. What will happen if I try to emerge such a program? > - it seems most of the multimedia codecs still are 32 bit. Can you use > these on a 64 bit distro? > - other 64 bit distributions (I've downloaded SuSE and Kubuntu) will > allready have dealt with most compatibility problems. Should I learn more > about 64 bit specificities before attempting to build a Gentoo-64 system? > > Thanks for any advice. > > Thierry > Just add my $.02 that my amd64 server runs great. If you find something not available in portage on amd64, you can easily try unmasking the particular program/ebuild and give it a whirl. No harm if it still fails but usually that works perfect in most cases. -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-amd64] 64 newbie
On Tuesday, 24 January 2006 07:49, Etienne Imguimbert wrote: > Here you will find some answers to most questions amd64 users should have: > http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-221361.html > > Best regards, > > Etienne Great link! Thanks a lot! Thierry -- The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself? Frank Zappa -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-amd64] 64 newbie
Hi, I have just seen your post. I have been using Linux since 96 and used Debian. I tried Gentoo when the eb mirrors were down. Now I won't go back. The manuals are concise and you'll find the list very helpful. Plus as you use the OS you'll find it is the pinnacle of Linux. GOOD CHOICE -- Dr Gavin Seddon School of Pharmacy and Pharmaceutical Sciences University of Manchester Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL, U.K. -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-amd64] 64 newbie
Here you will find some answers to most questions amd64 users should have: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-221361.html Best regards, Etienne 2006/1/24, Thierry de Coulon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On Monday, 23 January 2006 22:19, lnxg33k wrote:> It's always good to know your system, but the entire installation process > is rather painless (minus my experience with Grub which isn't architecture> dependent). You'll want to learn more about the CPU if you plan on> developing for it, but as a user you should be fine. You'll learn a lot > simply by using the environment and reading up when you can or run into> problems. Anyway, good luck with your install whichever distro you decide> to use.I've chosen a *big* harddisk so I'll probably go for all three to see what they do. However, the main reason why I did not switch to Gentoo is I waslazy - my double Athlon has been running Mepis for over two years with littlechanges so I justed sticked to running it so.Changing my main machine seems the good time to switch and get more control over the system. I just tested emerge --update --deep world on my 32bitGentoo and all went well (I just had to set the Displamanager back to kdm byhand) and while I prefer apt-get to SuSE's rpms, nothing beats emerge. Thierry--The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be acapital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take thesafety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself? Frank Zappa--gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-amd64] 64 newbie
On Monday, 23 January 2006 22:19, lnxg33k wrote: > It's always good to know your system, but the entire installation process > is rather painless (minus my experience with Grub which isn't architecture > dependent). You'll want to learn more about the CPU if you plan on > developing for it, but as a user you should be fine. You'll learn a lot > simply by using the environment and reading up when you can or run into > problems. Anyway, good luck with your install whichever distro you decide > to use. I've chosen a *big* harddisk so I'll probably go for all three to see what they do. However, the main reason why I did not switch to Gentoo is I was lazy - my double Athlon has been running Mepis for over two years with little changes so I justed sticked to running it so. Changing my main machine seems the good time to switch and get more control over the system. I just tested emerge --update --deep world on my 32bit Gentoo and all went well (I just had to set the Displamanager back to kdm by hand) and while I prefer apt-get to SuSE's rpms, nothing beats emerge. Thierry -- The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself? Frank Zappa -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-amd64] 64 newbie
On Monday, 23 January 2006 22:09, Jason wrote: > Thierry de Coulon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > [snip] > > > - are there special points I should pay attention to or can I simply > > follow the amd64 install instruction? > > Executable file formats / Emulations --> > [*] IA32 Emulation > [*] IA32 a.out support > > jason. Thanks, I'll look at that. Thierry -- The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself? Frank Zappa -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-amd64] 64 newbie
On Monday, 23 January 2006 22:08, Mark Haney wrote: > For those with only 32-bit programs available (Flash is the big one, > IMHO) there are special 32-bit binaries you can download and run without > compiling. I don't care for flash. I was more thinking of DivX and win32 codecs used by Xine or transcode, as I would love to use the Opteron's power on such stuff. > I would say the biggest pain I've ever found with > any linux distro is video card drivers, especially the high performance > ones or newer ones. or maybe that's just me. Good luck and if you need > any help, I'll be glad to answer any questions. I put my hopes in Nvidia. As to the questions, I'll fairly probably be back with some as soon as the last parts of the machine arrive :) Thanks -- The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself? Frank Zappa -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-amd64] 64 newbie
Thierry de Coulon wrote: Hello all, I have been a Linux user for over five years - mostly using SuSE first, then Debian based distributions, but from time to time "toying" with Gentoo. Now I'm in the process of building an Opteron based machine and decided it would be a good idea to build a Gentoo-amd64 distribution. I've googled quite a bit but I would still like to ask a few questions, such as: - are there special points I should pay attention to or can I simply follow the amd64 install instruction? - As far as I understand there are still lots of programs that won't compile in 64 bit. What will happen if I try to emerge such a program? - it seems most of the multimedia codecs still are 32 bit. Can you use these on a 64 bit distro? - other 64 bit distributions (I've downloaded SuSE and Kubuntu) will allready have dealt with most compatibility problems. Should I learn more about 64 bit specificities before attempting to build a Gentoo-64 system? Thanks for any advice. Thierry I've been using Gentoo on an amd64 machine for about 2 years now. The amd64 should include the same steps you'd need for the Opteron; just change your -march setting in the cflags (covered in the manual). Personally, I find that the selection of applications is fairly even with x86. You can look at what's available at packages.gentoo.org. I actually used SuSE-64 when it first came out and was strongly disappointed; been using Gentoo since day two of owning this machine. It's always good to know your system, but the entire installation process is rather painless (minus my experience with Grub which isn't architecture dependent). You'll want to learn more about the CPU if you plan on developing for it, but as a user you should be fine. You'll learn a lot simply by using the environment and reading up when you can or run into problems. Anyway, good luck with your install whichever distro you decide to use. -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-amd64] 64 newbie
Thierry de Coulon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [snip] > - are there special points I should pay attention to or can I simply follow > the amd64 install instruction? Executable file formats / Emulations --> [*] IA32 Emulation [*] IA32 a.out support jason. -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-amd64] 64 newbie
Thierry de Coulon wrote: Hello all, I have been a Linux user for over five years - mostly using SuSE first, then Debian based distributions, but from time to time "toying" with Gentoo. Now I'm in the process of building an Opteron based machine and decided it would be a good idea to build a Gentoo-amd64 distribution. I think you'll find Gentoo runs quite well on amd64. I've googled quite a bit but I would still like to ask a few questions, such as: - are there special points I should pay attention to or can I simply follow the amd64 install instruction? The Gentoo installation instructions are quite thorough, the gentoo guys have done a fantastic job with them. I have a friend who is a complete Linux newbie and she was able to build her amd64 distribution without a lot of trouble. - As far as I understand there are still lots of programs that won't compile in 64 bit. What will happen if I try to emerge such a program? - it seems most of the multimedia codecs still are 32 bit. Can you use these on a 64 bit distro? For those with only 32-bit programs available (Flash is the big one, IMHO) there are special 32-bit binaries you can download and run without compiling. - other 64 bit distributions (I've downloaded SuSE and Kubuntu) will allready have dealt with most compatibility problems. Should I learn more about 64 bit specificities before attempting to build a Gentoo-64 system? I don't know of any real showstopper issues with the 64-bit version that I have seen on my own Athlon 64 laptop, so I don't expect you to have any major problems. I would say the biggest pain I've ever found with any linux distro is video card drivers, especially the high performance ones or newer ones. or maybe that's just me. Good luck and if you need any help, I'll be glad to answer any questions. Thanks for any advice. Thierry -- Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-amd64] 64 newbie
On Monday 23 January 2006 23:47, Thierry de Coulon wrote: > Hello all, > > I have been a Linux user for over five years - mostly using SuSE first, > then Debian based distributions, but from time to time "toying" with > Gentoo. > > Now I'm in the process of building an Opteron based machine and decided it > would be a good idea to build a Gentoo-amd64 distribution. > > I've googled quite a bit but I would still like to ask a few questions, > such as: > - are there special points I should pay attention to or can I simply follow > the amd64 install instruction? just follow it. > - As far as I understand there are still lots of programs that won't > compile in 64 bit. What will happen if I try to emerge such a program? nothing, it will fail somewhere. A little bit of wasted clock cycles. Nothing else. > - it seems most of the multimedia codecs still are 32 bit. Can you use > these on a 64 bit distro? yes. emerge mplayer-bin > - other 64 bit distributions (I've downloaded SuSE and Kubuntu) will > allready have dealt with most compatibility problems. Should I learn more > about 64 bit specificities before attempting to build a Gentoo-64 system? don't know what you mean. If it is about flash - install opera. -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-amd64] 64 newbie
Hello all, I have been a Linux user for over five years - mostly using SuSE first, then Debian based distributions, but from time to time "toying" with Gentoo. Now I'm in the process of building an Opteron based machine and decided it would be a good idea to build a Gentoo-amd64 distribution. I've googled quite a bit but I would still like to ask a few questions, such as: - are there special points I should pay attention to or can I simply follow the amd64 install instruction? - As far as I understand there are still lots of programs that won't compile in 64 bit. What will happen if I try to emerge such a program? - it seems most of the multimedia codecs still are 32 bit. Can you use these on a 64 bit distro? - other 64 bit distributions (I've downloaded SuSE and Kubuntu) will allready have dealt with most compatibility problems. Should I learn more about 64 bit specificities before attempting to build a Gentoo-64 system? Thanks for any advice. Thierry -- The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself? Frank Zappa -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
