[gentoo-dev] Re: Glibc, non-glibc and external libs
Diego 'Flameeyes' Petten posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Thu, 16 Jun 2005 04:41:34 +0200: On Thursday 16 June 2005 01:13, Olivier Crete wrote: Why dont you just add them to the profile as system packages ? I though of that but I'm not sure about it. I wish to have a systme profile as cleaner as possible and libiconv, gettext and other packages aren't needed for a lot of different packages because they doesn't use them. What about dual-tracking? You say a virtual works but getting it setup is slow. You say the profile option works but you don't want to use it due to bloat. So... what about kicking off the virtual process now, but put it in the profile temporarily as well, avoiding having to wait for the virtual process, with a comment on the profile entry reminding you to review it with an eye for removal if the virtual process is done, say for 2006.0. After all, if it's not really required for what folks are doing and they don't want the bloat, they can package.provided it, as I've done with a couple things (I HAD to with sash, as I never COULD get the thing to compile here on amd64, for whatever reason, maybe it requires Linux Threads and I run nptl-only??? who knows?), so profile system entries don't make things ABSOLUTELY mandatory. Seems the reasonable thing to do, here, but then again, I'm likely missing something. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman in http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2004/12/22/rms_interview.html -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Acquiring a deeper understanding of Gentoo
Jonathan Smith wrote: M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: I'm not a developer ... and I'm not in California ... but I am a Gentoo bigot and I'm certainly willing to help out ... as are most Gentoo users/developers. [snip] I know that I can't speak for all the developers, but I for one am slightly offended by being called a Gentoo bigot. I work on Gentoo because I love doing it, and I believe it helps people, but if those people use something else (another distro, *BSD, Solaris, OSX, even Windows) and it works for _them_, then so be it... As for the rest of your email, that information is readily available from the Gentoo Documentation Project, and in a much more readable and detailed format. -smithj It is rather offensive to myself as well, for the reasons detailed above. Please keep such comments to yourself and try to be less condescending in your responses in a public forum. Mike Tindal signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: use.force support
Georgi Georgiev posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Thu, 16 Jun 2005 08:17:50 +0900: use.vital a.k.a. Touch me and your system dies! (evil-smilie) use.vital!! LOL! I LIKE!! Can't get more explicit than that! -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman in http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2004/12/22/rms_interview.html -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Glibc, non-glibc and external libs
On Thursday 16 June 2005 07:58, Duncan wrote: So... what about kicking off the virtual process now, but put it in the profile temporarily as well, avoiding having to wait for the virtual process, with a comment on the profile entry reminding you to review it with an eye for removal if the virtual process is done, say for 2006.0. Well as Gentoo/FreeBSD isn't even released I can't say what I need to do for 2006.0... always if we're going to follow Gentoo's releases instead of FreeBSD's ones, I'd actually tend for the latter because their base system releases are quite tight between them. Anyway, I prefer avoid having to mess with profiles in this way, as our profile already needs a lot more loving than the base ones as atm we don't inherit from them (profiles in overlays can't inherit profiles's in main portdir), adding more cruft over this is going to be a great problem to maintain. -- Diego Flameeyes Petten Gentoo Developer (Gentoo/FreeBSD, Video, Gentoo/AMD64) http://dev.gentoo.org/~flameeyes/ pgplsGW0PMISb.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-dev] New Developer: Julien Allanos (dju`)
Hi everybody. It's my pleasure to introduce our newest developer, Dju` who hails from France. Dju` finished his PHD in computer science last year and has been working as a software developer for 6 months. Besides an obvious interest in Gentoo Dju` enjoys listening to and playing music. Dju` will be helping with web-apps, starting with trac but I'm sure he'll soon be busy with other web-apps as well :) Please give him a nice welcome. Regards, Bryan stergaard -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-dev] app-admin/mbr.. what to do...
I just saw a bug report flow by for app-admin/mbr and looked for maintainers. I found this: ChangeLog: 1 manson, 1 woodchip from jeeves. Now, I think those people are retired, or I need to get out more (or both). So what to do with said package. It looks pretty old and this user wants it bumped so... I'd do it but I have no solid test method and I really don't like putting out packages without one. If anyone is interested, the bug number is here: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=96254 Otherwise we should do something about the fate of this package. Chris White pgplIAKAjkvAR.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussion: alternative compatible utilities
Diego 'Flameeyes' Petten wrote: Let me explain: on Gentoo/Linux systems, all the base utilities (make, tar, sed, etc etc) are GNUish; on Gentoo/FreeBSD they are BSDish; on Gentoo/Darwin I don't really know :P This limits a bit the user because to use other kind of utilities it must use aliases and he can't change, for example, the tar used by portage or by other scripts. Surely it would be interesting for developer that want to make sure their code will build in other userspaces w/out switching os, and if that won't be so painful, would worth testing it. Obviously having it now isn't really needed. Thinking about that when committing/updating ebuild would be good. ( still I do hate bsd core utils implementations but that is just my opinion =) ) lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux Developer Gentoo/PPC Operational Leader http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] app-admin/mbr.. what to do...
On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 01:41 +0900, Chris White wrote: I just saw a bug report flow by for app-admin/mbr and looked for maintainers. I found this: ChangeLog: 1 manson, 1 woodchip from jeeves. Now, I think those people are retired, or I need to get out more (or both). So what to do with said package. It looks pretty old and this user wants it bumped so... I'd do it but I have no solid test method and I really don't like putting out packages without one. I think this problem is not limited to this package. Maybe someone with some scripting skillz could create a list of all orphaned packages? (no metadata.xml, no active maintainer, ...) If anyone is interested, the bug number is here: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=96254 Otherwise we should do something about the fate of this package. Either drop it or find a maintainer I guess. Always a drag to see packages getting dropped, but if noone maintains them there's not much that can be done. Patrick -- Stand still, and let the rest of the universe move signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Glibc, non-glibc and external libs
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 08:18:30 +0200 Diego 'Flameeyes' Petten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, I prefer avoid having to mess with profiles in this way, as our profile already needs a lot more loving than the base ones as atm we don't inherit from them (profiles in overlays can't inherit profiles's in main portdir), adding more cruft over this is going to be a great problem to maintain. They can inherit from $PORTDIR profiles, assuming that you know t he values of $PORTDIR and $PORTDIR_OVERLAY, just figure the relative path out. Of course that's a problem if you can't rely on defaults and a cleaner solution is needed anyway (probably coming with profiles2). Marius -- Public Key at http://www.genone.de/info/gpg-key.pub In the beginning, there was nothing. And God said, 'Let there be Light.' And there was still nothing, but you could see a bit better. pgpkZRFbaYXlI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] app-admin/mbr.. what to do...
On Thursday 16 June 2005 10:53, Patrick Lauer wrote: Maybe someone with some scripting skillz could create a list of all orphaned packages? (no metadata.xml, no active maintainer, ...) I've learned with first-person experience that no metadata doesn't means that a package is orphaned... So maybe it's better said to developers: if you maintain something *please* add a metadata, or update it, so that who looks at bugs know who to ask to. Always a drag to see packages getting dropped, but if noone maintains them there's not much that can be done. Well maybe we can have a way to define latest portage version for removed package (a tag on cvs?) so that someone can prepare a weekly tarball of removed packages waiting for new maintainers or so on. -- Diego Flameeyes Petten Gentoo Developer (Gentoo/FreeBSD, Video, Gentoo/AMD64) http://dev.gentoo.org/~flameeyes/ pgpgAgPnuPqm5.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Acquiring a deeper understanding of Gentoo
On Wed, 2005-06-15 at 22:36 -0500, Michael Tindal wrote: Jonathan Smith wrote: M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: I'm not a developer ... and I'm not in California ... but I am a Gentoo bigot and I'm certainly willing to help out ... as are most Gentoo users/developers. [snip] I know that I can't speak for all the developers, but I for one am slightly offended by being called a Gentoo bigot. I work on Gentoo because I love doing it, and I believe it helps people, but if those people use something else (another distro, *BSD, Solaris, OSX, even Windows) and it works for _them_, then so be it... As for the rest of your email, that information is readily available from the Gentoo Documentation Project, and in a much more readable and detailed format. -smithj It is rather offensive to myself as well, for the reasons detailed above. Please keep such comments to yourself and try to be less condescending in your responses in a public forum. And I am slightly offended by both of you, as he clearly was saying that _he_ is a Gentoo bigot. Please reread something 3 or 4 times before taking offence (and then sleep on it before replying). -- Martin Schlemmer Gentoo Linux Developer, Desktop/System Team Developer Cape Town, South Africa signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] app-admin/mbr.. what to do...
On Thu, 2005-06-16 at 11:13 +0200, Diego 'Flameeyes' Petten wrote: On Thursday 16 June 2005 10:53, Patrick Lauer wrote: Maybe someone with some scripting skillz could create a list of all orphaned packages? (no metadata.xml, no active maintainer, ...) I've learned with first-person experience that no metadata doesn't means that a package is orphaned... ok, but it's still a bug So maybe it's better said to developers: if you maintain something *please* add a metadata, or update it, so that who looks at bugs know who to ask to. For that we should have a list of all affected packages I think. Always a drag to see packages getting dropped, but if noone maintains them there's not much that can be done. Well maybe we can have a way to define latest portage version for removed package (a tag on cvs?) so that someone can prepare a weekly tarball of removed packages waiting for new maintainers or so on. you mean a repository of removed ebuilds? I don't know if that is a good idea, but it sure has some uses. But if I'm not mistaken files can be resurrected from cvs, so they are not lost, only less accessible. Patrick -- Stand still, and let the rest of the universe move signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Glibc, non-glibc and external libs
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:26:40 +0200 Marius Mauch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They can inherit from $PORTDIR profiles, assuming that you know t he values of $PORTDIR and $PORTDIR_OVERLAY, just figure the relative path out. Of course that's a problem if you can't rely on defaults and a cleaner solution is needed anyway (probably coming with profiles2). Bug #83613 maybe? That's a rather trivial patch, and i think it would help a lot for distributing some non-official profiles. -- TGL. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] bacula needs lovin'!
A few people stepped up to help with this, but nothing visible has happened. Is work being done on this? -- rob holland - [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] - Gentoo Audit Team [ 5251 4FAC D684 8845 5604 E44F D65C 392F D91B 4729 ] -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] New Developer: Paul Varner (FuzzyRay)
wait a sec - i've been taking bugs and such from fuzzyray and only now he's a dev?? Does that mean I should expect even *more* pain from texas =:D welcome officially fuzzyray, promise not to make to many fuzzball jokes ;) On Wednesday 15 June 2005 09:26 pm, Aaron Walker wrote: ?: subkeys.pgp.net: Connection refused gpgkeys: HKP fetch error: Connection refused Ladies/Gents, I'd like to introduce a new addition to our team, Paul Varner aka FuzzyRay. Paul hails from Dallas, Texas and will be helping out the tools-portage herd. He's actually been a dev since the end of May, but is just now official. Please give him a proper welcome. -- Aaron Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ BSD | cron | forensics | shell-tools | commonbox | netmon | vim | web-apps ] -- -o()o- Michael Cummings |#gentoo-dev, #gentoo-perl Gentoo Perl Dev|on irc.freenode.net -o()o- pgp8du1BjBjZG.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] newb question about emerge ...
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:42:51 +0200 Thomas Matthijs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Marius Mauch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Thomas Matthijs wrote: # regenworld run that command occassionally as sometimes things that get emerged for whatever reason are not part of the world file AND not a direct dependancy of something and so the emerge -avuDN world would not check -- running this command will check and add these entries to the world file so they will be included with updates. Don't! do that it will ruin your world file, it'll no longer be what the world file is supposed to be, but contain everything you merged. It is only ment as a rescue when you delete your world file (or lose it in some other way) Nope. You're mixing that up with the evil `qpkg -I world` command. regenworld should be fine as long as /var/log/emerge.log is complete. It is not. it adds alot of junk to my work file (over 250 packages), some i merged with --oneshot, other are just deps of other packages Can you file a bug about that and attach your emerge.log? Marius -- Public Key at http://www.genone.de/info/gpg-key.pub In the beginning, there was nothing. And God said, 'Let there be Light.' And there was still nothing, but you could see a bit better. pgphXQM4wgEEr.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Glibc, non-glibc and external libs
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:41:59 +0200 Thomas de Grenier de Latour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:26:40 +0200 Marius Mauch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They can inherit from $PORTDIR profiles, assuming that you know t he values of $PORTDIR and $PORTDIR_OVERLAY, just figure the relative path out. Of course that's a problem if you can't rely on defaults and a cleaner solution is needed anyway (probably coming with profiles2). Bug #83613 maybe? That's a rather trivial patch, and i think it would help a lot for distributing some non-official profiles. As a short term solution maybe, don't really like the restriction to $PORTDIR though (practically not relevant though, just don't like special cases). Marius -- Public Key at http://www.genone.de/info/gpg-key.pub In the beginning, there was nothing. And God said, 'Let there be Light.' And there was still nothing, but you could see a bit better. pgpqp0kTrEjFG.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussion: alternative compatible utilities
Well it would be nice to have it all abstracted, wouldn't stablizing a package get exponetially harder? Not only would each arch need to be tested, each combination of packages on each arch would need to be tested, if FEX openpam became usable on linux instead of just linuxpam, each arch that stableized would now need to say works for this arch for linuxpam, and works for this arch for openpam, which would cause lots and lots of keywords mess. Or am I misunderstanding your post? On 6/16/05, Luca Barbato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Diego 'Flameeyes' Petten wrote: Let me explain: on Gentoo/Linux systems, all the base utilities (make, tar, sed, etc etc) are GNUish; on Gentoo/FreeBSD they are BSDish; on Gentoo/Darwin I don't really know :P This limits a bit the user because to use other kind of utilities it must use aliases and he can't change, for example, the tar used by portage or by other scripts. Surely it would be interesting for developer that want to make sure their code will build in other userspaces w/out switching os, and if that won't be so painful, would worth testing it. Obviously having it now isn't really needed. Thinking about that when committing/updating ebuild would be good. ( still I do hate bsd core utils implementations but that is just my opinion =) ) lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux Developer Gentoo/PPC Operational Leader http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] New Developer: Julien Allanos (dju`)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bryan Oestergaard wrote: Hi everybody. It's my pleasure to introduce our newest developer, Dju` who hails from France. Dju` finished his PHD in computer science last year and has been working as a software developer for 6 months. Besides an obvious interest in Gentoo Dju` enjoys listening to and playing music. Dju` will be helping with web-apps, starting with trac but I'm sure he'll soon be busy with other web-apps as well :) w00t. we definitely need the help. Please give him a nice welcome. Welcome! - -- Yow! Are we wet yet? Aaron Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ BSD | cron | forensics | shell-tools | commonbox | netmon | vim | web-apps ] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCsXEFC3poscuANHARAqkrAKDOpwGy8WgFMYiRfuoB6bPDJfFehQCdEiCt yRfkzbomATCvHnJP1G3nKrE= =MxT6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-dev] Re: Acquiring a deeper understanding of Gentoo
On 15Jun, Mark S Petrovic wrote: Is there a principal Gentoo developer in Northern or Southern California (preferred) to whom I can pay a visit to gain a deeper understanding of who the Gentoo team is, what they are trying to accomplish, and how? Thank you for the many replies offering help in various forms. They were all respectful and speak well of who you are. With them, I'm sure I will find what I'm looking for. Mark -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Glibc, non-glibc and external libs
On Thursday 16 June 2005 12:33 am, Diego 'Flameeyes' Petten wrote: On Thursday 16 June 2005 06:22, Mike Frysinger wrote: tracking packages which need getopt is a waste of time, just force it in your profile/bsd libc/whatever it's not getopt, it's getopt_long... which is used by few packages. well actually freebsd provide it in library in latest releases, aslo if it's developed on its own... maybe I can hack a bit the build process to have this external as we need. yes i know the diff between getopt and getopt_long, that doesnt change the fact that tracking either is a waste of time -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Final proposal: New alias maintainer-needed@g.o or some such (speak now or forever hold your peace ;) )
Markus Nigbur wrote: Assigning to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and adding the actual fitting herd to CC is the most elegant option, IMHO. However we do it, we should really agree on one solution, to get more structure into the chaos. Here's what I'd propose: This only applies to new packages, as opposed to version bumps or whatever else: When an ebuild or ebuild request is posted to bugzilla, the bug wranglers attempt to find an appropriate herd or developer to assign it to, and the ebuild is keyworded with EBUILD or REQUEST depending whether an ebuild was included or not. If the herd or developer does not want to maintain the package and they feel that there is another herd or developer where this package would be more appropriately maintained, then they should reassign it to them. At any point, if a developer or herd decides that they do not want to maintain the package at the current time, and there is no more appropriate herd/developer, then they reassign it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] putting the most appropriate herd(s)/developer(s) on CC. Interested developers can then take bugs from the maintainer-needed alias and reassign to themselves before getting the ebuild included in portage - but the usual policies still apply, for example if its a web application you'll probably be asked to join the webapps herd, and if its a kernel then you'll have to go through the torture chamber and then join our project before adding the package, etc... Herds/developers that are CC'd on the maintainer-needed bugs are free to completely close the bugs if there is a good reason why the package won't be included in portage at the current time. For example, I'd reject an ebuild for an external 2.6 kernel module which doesn't work for kernels 2.6.4 and newer, because we don't support those older kernels at all. (These kind of bugs might even be closed before it got assigned to maintainer-needed) Developers can query for open maintainer-needed EBUILD bugs if they are looking for new packages to maintain, and users can query for open maintainer-needed REQUEST bugs if they want some ebuild writing practice. Perhaps a complete list of open maintainer-needed bugs could be added to the default preset queries..? Any comments on that? - Developer Handbook (which really needs a section about how bugs are treated. I always wanted to write up a draft when I find the time...) I think we need some real bugzilla documentation that covers both basic usage and also policies on bugs/resolutions/ownership and what to do if you think your bug is being ignored. This is also on my todo list but has been for a long time. Daniel -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Glibc, non-glibc and external libs
On Thursday 16 June 2005 00:02, Diego 'Flameeyes' Petten wrote: There are other solutions a part the new virtuals? Ok just to summarize. a) getopt_long isn't important right now, FreeBSD 5 already takes care of it, if in the future it will be necessary for NetBSD, OpenBSD or DragonFly, it will be another issue. b) most of the packages requiring gettext at runtime already requires it at build time atm... the simple thing to do is moving this on runtime on the packages which needs when we'll stumble across it c) main problem is libiconv, but this is required just by a few packages (gettext, glib2, bogofilter) the other uses it with gettext; as they doesn't require a specific version, we can also add dev-libs/libiconv to glibc's PROVIDE and just depend on dev-libs/libiconv. What about this? -- Diego Flameeyes Petten Gentoo Developer (Gentoo/FreeBSD, Video, Gentoo/AMD64) http://dev.gentoo.org/~flameeyes/ pgpylTysnfeMT.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Final proposal: New alias maintainer-needed@g.o or some such (speak now or forever hold your peace ;) )
On Thu, 2005-06-16 at 02:30 +0200, Markus Nigbur wrote: - Developer Handbook (which really needs a section about how bugs are treated. I always wanted to write up a draft when I find the time...) The games team has a Games Team Bugs FAQ at games.gentoo.org that we continue to update with new information. Having a nice global one would be cool, for sure. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering - Strategic Lead/QA Manager Games - Developer Gentoo Linux signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] Glibc, non-glibc and external libs
On Thu, 2005-06-16 at 04:41 +0200, Diego 'Flameeyes' Petten wrote: When I fist needed to install libiconv in the Gentoo/FreeBSD I was tinkering with, was just because I needed it ot have glib2 working for irssi.. I was already using that box as ftp and mail server. HAHAHAHA Thanks a ton! I actually had removed irssi from my uclibc-based LiveCD build because of this. Now I should be able to add it back. Whatever you come up with on this for Gentoo/FreeBSD will also be needed for uclibc. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering - Strategic Lead/QA Manager Games - Developer Gentoo Linux signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] Glibc, non-glibc and external libs
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 15:47:35 +0200 Diego 'Flameeyes' Petten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: c) main problem is libiconv, but this is required just by a few packages (gettext, glib2, bogofilter) the other uses it with gettext; as they doesn't require a specific version, we can also add dev-libs/ libiconv to glibc's PROVIDE and just depend on dev-libs/libiconv. What about this? Sorry, but it's not a good idea to PROVIDE non-virtuals. Creates all kinds of problems (just search for the gcc-4.7 bug). Marius -- Public Key at http://www.genone.de/info/gpg-key.pub In the beginning, there was nothing. And God said, 'Let there be Light.' And there was still nothing, but you could see a bit better. pgp8j6I3fbk7k.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-dev] new virtual - xlocker?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The desktop-misc herd (which was sadly neglected until recently) could benefit from a new virtual. x11-misc/xautolock is a wrapper which locks the screen via any appropriate program such as xlockmore or xtrlock. This program needs to depend on an xlocker, but we should not lock users into one specific one. See bug 95246 [1] I would probably name it virtual/xlocker, but other suggestions are, of course, welcome. Thanks [1]: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=95246 - -smithj -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCsZLMl5AvwDPiUowRAufJAKCT35XQ7L3DeYtQhW4jQxlooeEQPwCfTqte Z9SKluceQ6f1lIen7TPFxFU= =1VSE -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] new virtual - xlocker?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jonathan Smith wrote: The desktop-misc herd (which was sadly neglected until recently) could benefit from a new virtual. x11-misc/xautolock is a wrapper which locks the screen via any appropriate program such as xlockmore or xtrlock. xscreensaver locks the screen, too, besides its normal screensaver features (like xlockmore). This program needs to depend on an xlocker, but we should not lock users into one specific one. See bug 95246 [1] I would probably name it virtual/xlocker, but other suggestions are, of course, welcome. Thanks [1]: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=95246 -smithj - -- Alin DOBRE Registered Linux User #287199 Documentation Team - Gentoo.RO Community http://www.gentoo.ro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCsZQ+mG51ym6Hu9gRAg5tAJsF3LM5E5CbyzWufUPPIqipNazVCwCg867A oQNq+uZekbVXRPefDSSqkJE= =v4Lo -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] new virtual - xlocker?
On Thu, 2005-06-16 at 18:01 +0300, Alin Dobre wrote: Jonathan Smith wrote: The desktop-misc herd (which was sadly neglected until recently) could benefit from a new virtual. x11-misc/xautolock is a wrapper which locks the screen via any appropriate program such as xlockmore or xtrlock. xscreensaver locks the screen, too, besides its normal screensaver features (like xlockmore). This program needs to depend on an xlocker, but we should not lock users into one specific one. See bug 95246 [1] I would probably name it virtual/xlocker, but other suggestions are, of course, welcome. Thanks [1]: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=95246 You don't have to setup a virtual for this. In fact, the simpler method (especially when dealing with only one package) is to use the || *DEPEND syntax. RDEPEND=|| ( x11-misc/xscreensaver x11-misc/xlockmore x11-misc/xtrlock ) This would prefer xscreensaver over the others, but any would satisfy the dependency. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering - Strategic Lead/QA Manager Games - Developer Gentoo Linux signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] Glibc, non-glibc and external libs
On Thursday 16 June 2005 16:13, Martin Schlemmer wrote: DEPEND=!userland_GNU? ( dev-libs/libiconv ) I'd like to do that but there was disagreement about this before. For me is enough. Just keeping on heaping virtuals for everything is not the only way. Or just pull them in the profile. As I said, I'm not considering adding libiconv to profile as an option, it's not directly required. -- Diego Flameeyes Petten Gentoo Developer - http://dev.gentoo.org/~flameeyes/ (Gentoo/FreeBSD, Video, Gentoo/AMD64, Sound, PAM) pgpPyV0PsVbDC.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-dev] List of aging ebuilds?
Anyone have the source for the package aging list? http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/23231 Maybe we can find a new server to run it on? -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Glibc, non-glibc and external libs
On Thursday 16 June 2005 18:07, Mike Frysinger wrote: no, bsd libc doesnt directly require libiconv, but if you're using a bsd/Gentoo system and you have USE=nls, what are the chances you *dont want* libiconv ? Quite a few as 'nls' useflag is already used by freebsd's libc for other means. Maybe an iconv useflag can be acceptable, too? this probably would be better but still... when we'll have use-flags deps we should add the right deps. -- Diego Flameeyes Petten Gentoo Developer - http://dev.gentoo.org/~flameeyes/ (Gentoo/FreeBSD, Video, Gentoo/AMD64, Sound, PAM) pgpYjjWem3peZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] where goes Gentoo? Where went Fido?
Jim Northrup wrote: Aron Griffis wrote: This is kinda bloggish, because it's basically a transcription of an IRC monologue. My apologies if it's hard to follow... This thread started out garnering cheers of elitest developer sentiment. There was even some mention of if they don't like it they can run something else. Then, that notion was reeled in, the developers are part of the user community. There is an open debate as to the meaning of support for 'enterprise', 'cluster', and 'hobbyist'; does gentoo mean any of these? In this thread I posted a suggested hack which must surely have been suggested before my reading/perusal of gentoo-dev, but also addresses a tangible element, growth. -- Portage's power is too great in one place, it should be forged in the hottest fires into the form of many rings for the leaders among gentoo, with one ring to bind them. Gentoo portage is growing, gentoo's communication network is growing in complexity, and gentoo's organization is growing. I saw it interesting that this is what describes the rise and fade of FIDO net. First there were hobbyist, later came zealots, some with bad attitudes, and eventually a full fledged organization devoted to handling the politics, which grew large enough for division into zones. There were online businesses thriving from its value as well as the very resourceful and isolated folks who had no other means of communicating among the world at large. One of fido's most interesting feature was its initial recognition that its growth needed structure, and that structure was formed. fido's own politiks from around the world failed to vote for survival of the IFNA(International FidoNet Association). So fido dissolved its official entity, and continuted to grow. Fido became a concept which spun off saplings and intertwined with the net, but in majority of years it was run by the folks with the biggest toys. I mention fido because of one similarity which is uncannily familiar. only 26% of the potential voters recently cast a vote for the gentoo metastructure. we saw some puzzlement, bordering on grumbling, and some amusement: eeeyup that must be us!. sooo. back to growth... does the portage design foretell a single monolithic repo growing ad infinitum? this is the common watering hole which draws every single participant to the same well. it's gotta work, 'emerge world' has gotta fly. does tinderbox indicate this is a predictable outcome with a stable margin of error, as t approaches infinity? The portage team has tons of great ideas up their sleeves to make portage better, multiple repos being just one of the many. I'll let them preach their stuff for now, lest I let slip ideas that never see the light of day ;) Regardless changes are coming and they definately make me very excited. -Alec Warner Ajec -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-dev] splitting one source package into many binaries
I am using Gentoo to build some small systems. While things like the minimal useflag is a joy, the monolithic nature of most gentoo packages is a headache. Kde has been spit and libstdc++ can be installed without gcc but there are many other packages that don't have this feature. For example, installing qt also installs qt designer. Has someone worked on changing ebuild so that it could create many binary packages from one source? Something similar to debian's dpkg-buildpackage. For example, it would be wonderful to be able to do ebuild qt-something.ebuild split-package and have in /usr/portage/packages a package for qt-designer and a package for the rest of the library. Is this a bad idea or simply not the Gentoo way? Thanks for any comments -- Rafael vila de Espndola -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] splitting one source package into many binaries
On Thursday 16 June 2005 11:50 am, Rafael Espndola wrote: Is this a bad idea or simply not the Gentoo way? The idea isn't bad, but the implementation is more work to maintain than it's probably worth. You can, of course, always roll your own ebuild variation and keep it in your portage overlay directory. Or, alternatively, you can just rm -f /usr/qt/3/bin/designer. Caleb -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] splitting one source package into many binaries
On Thursday 16 June 2005 12:50 pm, Rafael Espndola wrote: libstdc++ can be installed without gcc that's a bad example, we're debating what to do with the package seeing as how many never wanted it in the first place -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] splitting one source package into many binaries
Rafael Espndola wrote: I am using Gentoo to build some small systems. While things like the minimal useflag is a joy, the monolithic nature of most gentoo packages is a headache. Kde has been spit and libstdc++ can be installed without gcc but there are many other packages that don't have this feature. For example, installing qt also installs qt designer. Use INSTALL_MASK to keep it from getting installed. Keep both pieces. Has someone worked on changing ebuild so that it could create many binary packages from one source? Something similar to debian's dpkg-buildpackage. For example, it would be wonderful to be able to do ebuild qt-something.ebuild split-package and have in /usr/portage/packages a package for qt-designer and a package for the rest of the library. Is this a bad idea or simply not the Gentoo way? Thanks for any comments -- Rafael vila de Espndola -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-dev] production vs enterprise and the direction of Gentoo
I really enjoyed last weeks discussion about enterprise, devs, and users. But I think a significant number of users don't fall into any of those categories... well at least I don't. I'm an admin and have only worked in ISP, NSP, hosting, and startup gigs. These systems tend to be fast moving, customer and feature driven, and a bit on the bleeding edge. I don't believe any of those environments fall into what is normally considered enterprise, but they are production systems with a premium on flexibility over stability much like a Linux distribution we all know and love. :) Running Gentoo in production has been a competitive advantage for us. Need tomcat installed? Here it is. Need PHP5? Here it is. Need XML nonsense in PHP? Here it is. Need a Mysql driven virtual mail system? Here it is. At the time to do the above on most stable or enterprise systems would have involved waiting for the packages I wanted to be releases 12-18 months after the fact or becoming a dev. Neither are a great use of my time. I'll take a few thousand random Gentoo users posting on the forums over a QA department of just me. So rather than see Gentoo think about doing or not doing enterprise type stuff like long releases, support contracts, etc I think most of us LAMP, MRTG, Nagios, BIND, Postfix, Qmail, Postgres, thttpd, Courier, etc geeks would like just a bit more stability rather than the overhead that comes with enterprise features. Some people really like the idea of snapshots. I'm not completely sold on it, but would find it interesting if it were 6 month snapshots or less. I like the idea of meta builds. I'd be even more interested in snapshotting only the meta build rather than the whole OS. The mail server stays stable, but the rest updates as normal... I'm sure that idea will turn out to have significant drawbacks. Reverse dependency checking... been discussed to death and we all know it's coming. Once it's working well that's going to eliminate a number of problems especially if it'll warn you at the emerge -upv level that some updates are going to require a revdep-rebuild rather than after the fact. To be honest /etc/portage/* tends be enough control for me, but I've been doing admin work for 9 years. And I've got a test environment that I use religiously. I do however answer a lot of questions in the Network and Security forum where up and coming admins aren't so lucky. I don't think any of us expect a foolproof system, but there is room for a bit more stability that'll benefit all users... especially admins. :) Hopefully this sparks some more interesting debate. kashani -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-dev] Qt4 portage update
With the pending release of Qt4 very soon, I wanted to take a moment to update the community on what kind of effect it will have on portage: First, the installation is now FHS compliant - no more stuff going into /usr/qt. Previous Qt versions built one big library; this version builds 9 or 10 smaller ones (all installed into /usr/lib/qt4). Since the names are different, as well as the sonames, there should not be any runtime linking issues with a mixed installation. Qt4 does not make use of the QTDIR environment variable like Qt3 did. This means that automated build scripts, such as those with most KDE programs, will still pick up the correct Qt3 programs (uic, moc, and qmake). For programs that don't use these types of build scripts, ebuild modifications may need to be made to tell the package which directory to pick up its binary tools in (/usr/qt/3/bin for Qt3, /usr/bin for Qt4). I currently don't have any plans for any type of xxx-config package to switch between versions. After installing Qt4, those applications will be higher in precedence in the PATH. If you need to run Qt3 applications, you will either need to specify the full path or restructure your PATH to make it work. Even though Trolltech split out the GUI libraries from the rest of the core libraries, X11 is still a dependency for the whole package. The reason for this is that, as of now, Trolltech hasn't provided a convenient way to build a subset of the libraries - it's really an all or nothing thing. Eventually once the development stabilizes a bit, I think it will be feasible to have a gui and non-gui set of ebuilds. All that said - the latest version in portage ( qt-4.0.0_rc1-r2 ) works and installs great for me. At this point, it may be good for aches to try testing the installation, as well as people who use non-traditional setups, like icc, ulibc, or interesting CXXFLAGS. At the moment, I don't know of any installable applications that make use of this new Qt version, but they'll be springing up very soon. Hopefully we'll be ready for them. Thanks, Caleb -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] splitting one source package into many binaries
Hi, On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 12:40:39 -0500 Brian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rafael Espndola wrote: I am using Gentoo to build some small systems. While things like the minimal useflag is a joy, the monolithic nature of most gentoo packages is a headache. Kde has been spit and libstdc++ can be installed without gcc but there are many other packages that don't have this feature. For example, installing qt also installs qt designer. Use INSTALL_MASK to keep it from getting installed. Keep both pieces. I think that it's not the way to go because this will create the exact problem that existed with installing an incomplete kde before there where split ebuilds for it. And this problem is that when you emerge a package it expects it's dependencies to have the things it'll use form them. And with INSTALL_MASK you brake this assumption in a way that there is no easy way for an ebuild to verify that it's dependencies have installed the things that the package needs. So I think it may be good for some packages to be split in several packages (but right now I can't think of any), but I think it'll be much better introduce more granularity into many ebuils with use flags. This is specially the case (in my opinion) of packages that can have both client and server functionality (the best example I can think of is net-fs/samba, which I mostly use just to mount shares form other servers). Just my 2 non convertible (i.e. non developers) cents. Yuri. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-dev] Re: Questions about licenses
* Patrick Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 2005-06-15 at 13:18 +0200, Torsten Veller wrote: Why do we add a license to the licenses/ dir? Because there should be an easy way to find licenses? And you can do emerge search foo, then read the license and decide wether you want to install foo. And in addition: When should a license be added to licenses/ ? When at least one ebuild uses a license that is not already there? Ok, here is a license: http://rafb.net/paste/results/j88sYC87.html I couldn't decide if this one is present already. All i have checked are slightly different. Maybe someone knows ;) If it is not in licenses/, can someone suggest a name for this one? There are over 3MB in nearly 500 files. How will those licenses be classified if ACCEPT_LICENSES (GLEP 23) is implemented? I guess groups ... OSI approved, free, commercial, ... Classification - groups, sure. But how? How can this be done with 500 files? Who wants to do this? Aren't X11 and cdegood and JamesClark and ... the same license? Maybe there's one paragraph changed - I haven't looked at them yet. I don't know how to diff them efficiently. I put every word in in a line of its own. X11 is different - but cdegood and JamesClark differ in something like ask cdegroot and ask James Clark. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-dev] last rites: karamba-weather
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Upstream is dead, package doesn't work, and it has a suitable replacement which seems to be actively developed that would be put into portage as its replacement. No reverse dependency issues. The package has been masked for a week to ensure that noone objects. Any objections from the list? see https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47005 - -smithj -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCsmCbl5AvwDPiUowRArk1AKCoNabT2rFWjeVKom84uiR/7nsxMgCeLtwM DUUy0f/8NtJ7MHZoDjkzTCc= =gutI -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
