Re: [gentoo-dev] Multimedia overlay
Jeremy Olexa wrote: Josh Saddler wrote: Why isn't this on git.overlays.gentoo.org? If it's not on Gentoo infrastructure, it's not official. Q: Are All Official Overlays Hosted On overlays.gentoo.org? A: No. Gentoo developers are free to put their overlay wherever suits them best; they don't have to use overlays.gentoo.org if they don't want to. http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/overlays/userguide.xml I'm well aware of that. It's A Dumb Policy(tm). :) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-dev] QA last rites for app-i18n/canuum
# Diego E. Pettenò flamee...@gentoo.org (11 Aug 2009) # on behalf of QA team # # Fails to build (bug #277245), last release in 2004, # unmaintained in Gentoo. # # Removal on 2009-10-10 app-i18n/canuum
Re: [gentoo-dev] Multimedia overlay
On Tuesday 11 August 2009 03:06:21 Thomas Sachau wrote: Ben de Groot schrieb: Hi, The qting-edge overlay (the official overlay for the Gentoo Qt team) is a great success as a place to develop new ebuilds, packages, eclasses, to prepare new releases, to maintain bleeding edge stuff like live ebuilds and especially as a training ground for new recruits. I thought it would be a good idea to do something similar for our multimedia related projects, and Steve beandog Dibb agreed. So hereby we announce the Gentoo Multimedia overlay. It is located at http://gitorious.org/gentoo-multimedia and any developers who want to join can let us know their gitorious account name, so they can be added. Administration of the overlay will be shared among the participating Gentoo devs, so new committers can quickly be added. Any users that want commit status can get access after their work is found to be of sufficient quality. We encourage this, as the overlay is also a training ground for new contributors to Gentoo. We would like to invite anyone interested in developing and maintaining ebuilds related to multimedia in the wider sense: video, sound, tv, graphics and fonts. If you have any live ebuilds or otherwise bleeding edge packages, you can move them to the overlay for testing and shared maintenance. Enjoy! Ben Is there a special reason, why we need to split things even more? Why not invite those devs and interested users to sunrise? Training ground for interested users is one of the main goals of our project. @Ben Great news. We do maintain many multimedia packages on qting-edge so those can me moved to multimedia overlay since I think it is more appropriate. @Thomas, I think you missed the bleeding edge part of Ben's e-mail :). By bleeding edge we mean live, snapshots or even version bumps for many packages that are not ready or well tested to be on portage tree yet. Sunrise philosophy is to NOT include ebuilds for packages that are already on portage so we can't use sunrise as an alternative. -- Markos Chandras (hwoarang) Gentoo Linux Developer [KDE/Qt/Sound/Sunrise] Web: http://hwoarang.silverarrow.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-dev] Semi-lastrite: cgal-python and vis5d+ (60 days to fix, or removal)
# Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org (11 Aug 2009) # For vis5d+, see https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=274281 # For cgal-python, see https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=278106 # These will be removed or fixed in 60 days but they can't be unmasked # before they have. dev-python/cgal-python sci-visualization/vis5d+
[gentoo-dev] Lastrite: media-sound/beast{,-data)
# Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org (11 Aug 2009) # Segmentation faults. Doesn't compile with -Wl,--as-needed. # Doesn't pass configure with Autoconf 2.64. Bugs 281080, # 247823 and 281076. Masked for removal. media-sound/beast media-sound/beast-data
[gentoo-dev] Lastrite: media-plugins/gst-plugins-fluendo-mpegdemux
# Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org (11 Aug 2009) # Moved inside actual gst-plugins-bad. Masked for removal. # Bug 281083. media-plugins/gst-plugins-fluendo-mpegdemux So we don't need this separate plug-in anymore since the functionality has been moved inside -bad.. kthxbye
Re: [gentoo-dev] Multimedia overlay
On Tuesday 11 of August 2009 11:08:34 Robert Buchholz wrote: In my opinion, the entrance barrier for devs is lower on git.overlays, there is no signup, password, mail verification required. There's scripts to keep the ssh keys in LDAP and on git.overlays in sync, and people can just request access to at overl...@g.o and usually get it done within 24 hours. Except usually it takes much longer than 24 hours (like over a month in my case). No, thank you. Good luck with new overlay yngwin :) -- regards MM signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Multimedia overlay
On Tuesday 11 August 2009, Maciej Mrozowski wrote: On Tuesday 11 of August 2009 11:08:34 Robert Buchholz wrote: In my opinion, the entrance barrier for devs is lower on git.overlays, there is no signup, password, mail verification required. There's scripts to keep the ssh keys in LDAP and on git.overlays in sync, and people can just request access to at overl...@g.o and usually get it done within 24 hours. Except usually it takes much longer than 24 hours (like over a month in my case). No, thank you. Please do not generalise from your case. I do not have the history back when your key was added, but the last mail dates I could correlate to gitosis commits draw a different image: 2009-07-29: dev overlay creation, 80 minutes lag 2009-07-23: user key change, 27 minutes lag 2009-07-12: user added, 17 minutes lag 2009-06-09: user key change, 18:50 hours lag 2009-06-07: project overlay creation, 14:28 hours lag 2009-05-18: user key added, 14 minutes lag If you need something, mail overl...@g.o and if no one replies within three days, mail again. And if you still encounter shortage of time, sign up to be a dev and help out. Robert signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Multimedia overlay
Federico Ferri wrote: note that for sound-related packages there exists pro-audio overlay my impression is that pro-audio really focuses on _professional_ audio software. that's two very different sets of applications. i don't see any benefits from mixing them, do you? sebastian
Re: [gentoo-dev] Multimedia overlay
Josh Saddler wrote: I'm well aware of that. It's A Dumb Policy(tm). :) What advantage do you see in forcing people to have their overlays hosted on http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/ ? Sebastian
Re: [gentoo-dev] Multimedia overlay
2009/8/11 Sebastian Pipping webmas...@hartwork.org: Josh Saddler wrote: I'm well aware of that. It's A Dumb Policy(tm). :) What advantage do you see in forcing people to have their overlays hosted on http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/ ? The advantage is primarily that we retain control of the infrastructure on which it (the official Gentoo project) is hosted. -- Arun Raghavan http://arunraghavan.net/ (Ford_Prefect | Gentoo) (arunsr | GNOME)
Re: [gentoo-dev] Multimedia overlay
On Tuesday 11 of August 2009 17:07:47 Arun Raghavan wrote: The advantage is primarily that we retain control of the infrastructure on which it (the official Gentoo project) is hosted. Yes, and this is the problem. That's probably why there's still no CIA.vc bot tracking kde-testing overlay on #gentoo-kde Being able to grant/revoke overlay access easily is of course other thing. -- regards MM signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Multimedia overlay
2009/8/11 Maciej Mrozowski reave...@poczta.fm: That's probably why there's still no CIA.vc bot tracking kde-testing overlay on #gentoo-kde Actually, you can totally blame Arun for this. *point* *grin* -- ~Nirbheek Chauhan GNOME Team, Gentoo
Re: [gentoo-dev] Stats test server running, please check it out
Federico Ferri wrote: 1st: you could make an ebuild for it ;) i just made one but it's not that useful yet, as the code is not runnable from any location yet... 2nd: how to improve the output: you could make every data an hyperlink: that would help understand better the contents actually there's a task for that open already: http://soc.gentooexperimental.org/issues/show/51 i completely agree about it. FEATURES can link feature to make.conf man page: http://linuxreviews.org/man/make.conf/ (unfortunately this man page is rendered with no anchors over variable/features, so you could do better ^__^ the output of neither # man2html -r make.conf.5 make.conf.5.html nor # groff -man -Thtml make.conf.5 make.conf.5.html make me really happy do you know any alternative coming with more anchors and external CSS support? those percentages are just funny: 33 (275.0 %)58 (483.3 %) 25 (208.3 %) Total 12 (100.0 %) [[ yeah, total is 100%, sometimes ]] kde 3 (25.0 %) others 554 (4616.67 %) Total 1066 (8883.33 %) most of these numbers show how much of something users have on average. i agree this is not user friendly. Task now over here: http://soc.gentooexperimental.org/issues/show/54 sebastian
Re: [gentoo-dev] Stats test server running, please check it out
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sebastian Pipping wrote: Federico Ferri wrote: FEATURES can link feature to make.conf man page: http://linuxreviews.org/man/make.conf/ (unfortunately this man page is rendered with no anchors over variable/features, so you could do better ^__^ the output of neither # man2html -r make.conf.5 make.conf.5.html nor # groff -man -Thtml make.conf.5 make.conf.5.html make me really happy do you know any alternative coming with more anchors and external CSS support? # nope for css, but you could do something like this: # imagine you have the feature list in a file # (I don't know how to extract it automatically, but perhaps someone does) $ cat featurelist assume-digests buildpkg buildsyspkg ... userpriv usersandbox usersync webrsync-gpg $ bzcat /usr/share/man/man5/make.conf.5.bz2 | man2html -r make.html # basically now you have to match DTBfeaturename/B # and add a anchor tag to it: $ eval `echo sed; cat featurelist | sed 's,^\(.*\),-e '\''s:DTB\1/B:DTBA NAME=feature_\1\1/A/B:'\'','; echo make.html` make_anchors.html this will give you anchor to features, e.g. make_anchor.html#feature_buildpkg a bit tricky the sed - could be easier, but this version is fast because it builds a giant sed expression instead of calling sed n times. - -- Federico Ferri -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkqBqKwACgkQV/B5axfzrPsegwCdFo95i26IF9+jeUSLntVI4nhS msgAnRw4I4D1MwPUf1yBY8gJh3PHtX9S =cx8u -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-dev] Multimedia overlay
On Tuesday 11 August 2009 18:07:47 Arun Raghavan wrote: 2009/8/11 Sebastian Pipping webmas...@hartwork.org: Josh Saddler wrote: I'm well aware of that. It's A Dumb Policy(tm). :) What advantage do you see in forcing people to have their overlays hosted on http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/ ? The advantage is primarily that we retain control of the infrastructure on which it (the official Gentoo project) is hosted. Sorry but IMHO this is not an argument. By hosting projects/overlays on gitorious/github we can administer them more quickly without bothering infra team for minor issues such as giving access to users/developers. -- Markos Chandras (hwoarang) Gentoo Linux Developer [KDE/Qt/Sound/Sunrise] Web: http://hwoarang.silverarrow.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-dev] Re: Devaway for me, for a whole year period(military service)
Now, it is my time to say goodbye ( but not forever ) . I am *forced* to join the greek army from 16/8/2009 until May 2010. So I wont be active during this period. When I come back, I expect a more shiny Gentoo which will provide great experiences to our users. So long people. It was a pleasure to work with you so far. See you in May :) -- Markos Chandras (hwoarang) Gentoo Linux Developer [KDE/Qt/Sound/Sunrise] Web: http://hwoarang.silverarrow.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Devaway for me, for a whole year period(military service)
Dne úterý 11 Srpen 2009 19:32:51 Markos Chandras napsal(a): Now, it is my time to say goodbye ( but not forever ) . I am *forced* to join the greek army from 16/8/2009 until May 2010. So I wont be active during this period. When I come back, I expect a more shiny Gentoo which will provide great experiences to our users. So long people. It was a pleasure to work with you so far. See you in May :) See ya slacker ;] And have fun without the computers for the time, so when you came back you will be 500% eager to work : Tomas signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Devaway for me, for a whole year period(military service)
SPARTA! /me hides 2009/8/11 Tomáš Chvátal scarab...@gentoo.org Dne úterý 11 Srpen 2009 19:32:51 Markos Chandras napsal(a): Now, it is my time to say goodbye ( but not forever ) . I am *forced* to join the greek army from 16/8/2009 until May 2010. So I wont be active during this period. When I come back, I expect a more shiny Gentoo which will provide great experiences to our users. So long people. It was a pleasure to work with you so far. See you in May :) See ya slacker ;] And have fun without the computers for the time, so when you came back you will be 500% eager to work : Tomas -- Mauricio Lima Pilla -- UFPEL pi...@ufpel.edu.br, mauricio.pi...@gmail.com, pi...@gentoo.org http://minerva.ufpel.edu.br/~pilla I'm just very selective about the reality I choose to accept. -- Calvin
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Devaway for me, for a whole year period(military service)
On Tuesday 11 August 2009 20:41:28 Mauricio Lima Pilla wrote: SPARTA! /me hides Close enough. Only ~100Km away from Sparta :) 2009/8/11 Tomáš Chvátal scarab...@gentoo.org Dne úterý 11 Srpen 2009 19:32:51 Markos Chandras napsal(a): Now, it is my time to say goodbye ( but not forever ) . I am *forced* to join the greek army from 16/8/2009 until May 2010. So I wont be active during this period. When I come back, I expect a more shiny Gentoo which will provide great experiences to our users. So long people. It was a pleasure to work with you so far. See you in May :) See ya slacker ;] And have fun without the computers for the time, so when you came back you will be 500% eager to work : Tomas -- Markos Chandras (hwoarang) Gentoo Linux Developer [KDE/Qt/Sound/Sunrise] Web: http://hwoarang.silverarrow.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Multimedia overlay
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:08 PM, Arun Raghavanford_pref...@gentoo.org wrote: The 1-2 times that I asked for access to overlays, time taken was a non-issue. If others have had problems, let's fix that instead. How much effort do you estimate would need to be invested to have a webinterface (or similar) which lets overlay owners directly edit access to their overlay(s)? One (easy) possibility I can think of is ssh commands. I say easy because the service (ssh) and auth (ssh keys) are already there. -- ~Nirbheek Chauhan GNOME Team, Gentoo
Re: [gentoo-dev] Multimedia overlay
2009/8/11 Nirbheek Chauhan nirbh...@gentoo.org: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:08 PM, Arun Raghavanford_pref...@gentoo.org wrote: The 1-2 times that I asked for access to overlays, time taken was a non-issue. If others have had problems, let's fix that instead. How much effort do you estimate would need to be invested to have a webinterface (or similar) which lets overlay owners directly edit access to their overlay(s)? One (easy) possibility I can think of is ssh commands. I say easy because the service (ssh) and auth (ssh keys) are already there. Doable, I think, but more man-power (I volunteer to help, btw) might be, on the whole, a lower-effort and more secure option. That said, Robin -- Arun Raghavan http://arunraghavan.net/ (Ford_Prefect | Gentoo) (arunsr | GNOME)
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Devaway for me, for a whole year period(military service)
090811 Markos Chandras wrote: Now, it is my time to say goodbye ( but not forever ) . I am *forced* to join the Greek army from 16/8/2009 until May 2010. When I come back, I expect a more shiny Gentoo So long people. It was a pleasure to work with you so far. See you in May :) Lots of sympathy: UK abolished National Service in time for me to escape it; France ended it, has Germany yet ? Canada has never had such a thing: Canadians are very tough fighters when they're needed, but as volunteers. So think of one of the greatest soldiers heroes of all time, Leonidas, let's hope you don't have to emulate what he did ... (grin) -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-dev] Multimedia overlay
2009/8/11 Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org: [...] The advantage is primarily that we retain control of the infrastructure on which it (the official Gentoo project) is hosted. Sorry but IMHO this is not an argument. By hosting projects/overlays on gitorious/github we can administer them more quickly without bothering infra team for minor issues such as giving access to users/developers. This still does not address the original problem - if $external_service shuts down, is bought out, has arbitrary terms about content that are not immediately clear as being unfavourable to us, (at least) that part of the project which is hosted on is negatively affected. The 1-2 times that I asked for access to overlays, time taken was a non-issue. If others have had problems, let's fix that instead. -- Arun Raghavan http://arunraghavan.net/ (Ford_Prefect | Gentoo) (arunsr | GNOME)
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Devaway for me, for a whole year period(military service)
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 20:32, Markos Chandrashwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: Now, it is my time to say goodbye ( but not forever ) . I am *forced* to join the greek army from 16/8/2009 until May 2010. So I wont be active during this period. When I come back, I expect a more shiny Gentoo which will provide great experiences to our users. So long people. It was a pleasure to work with you so far. See you in May :) -- Markos Chandras (hwoarang) Gentoo Linux Developer [KDE/Qt/Sound/Sunrise] Web: http://hwoarang.silverarrow.org 9+ months of pure slacking eh :p Try to hang in there and come back in one piece! Καλό κουράγιο μεγάλε ;) -- Alex || wired Gentoo Dev www.linuxized.com
[gentoo-dev] Re: Devaway for me, for a whole year period(military service)
On 08/11/2009 09:19 PM, Alex Alexander wrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 20:32, Markos Chandrashwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: Now, it is my time to say goodbye ( but not forever ) . I am *forced* to join the greek army from 16/8/2009 until May 2010. So I wont be active during this period. When I come back, I expect a more shiny Gentoo which will provide great experiences to our users. So long people. It was a pleasure to work with you so far. See you in May :) -- Markos Chandras (hwoarang) Gentoo Linux Developer [KDE/Qt/Sound/Sunrise] Web: http://hwoarang.silverarrow.org 9+ months of pure slacking eh :p Try to hang in there and come back in one piece! Back in my day we had to serve 18 months ;)
[gentoo-dev] Re: Stats test server running, please check it out
Hi, Sebastian Pipping webmas...@hartwork.org: Have fun and please share your experience with it. Works fine...really great work. This Summer of code seems to bring out some results for Gentoo finally. V-Li -- Christian Faulhammer, Gentoo Lisp project URL:http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/lisp/, #gentoo-lisp on FreeNode URL:http://gentoo.faulhammer.org/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Multimedia overlay
On Tuesday 11 of August 2009 19:38:48 Arun Raghavan wrote: This still does not address the original problem - if $external_service shuts down, is bought out, has arbitrary terms about content that are not immediately clear as being unfavourable to us, (at least) that part of the project which is hosted on is negatively affected. As far as git is concerned, there's no reason not to have this 'unsafe' gitorious repo cloned on Gentoo within infra and synced periodically (preferably with push disabled) for layman purpose. Development would still be kept on gitorious as it's superior in terms of manageability. I guess it satisfies both sides, doesn't it? -- regards MM signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Multimedia overlay
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:26:17PM +0530, Arun Raghavan wrote: 2009/8/11 Nirbheek Chauhan nirbh...@gentoo.org: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:08 PM, Arun Raghavanford_pref...@gentoo.org wrote: The 1-2 times that I asked for access to overlays, time taken was a non-issue. If others have had problems, let's fix that instead. How much effort do you estimate would need to be invested to have a webinterface (or similar) which lets overlay owners directly edit access to their overlay(s)? One (easy) possibility I can think of is ssh commands. I say easy because the service (ssh) and auth (ssh keys) are already there. Doable, I think, but more man-power (I volunteer to help, btw) might be, on the whole, a lower-effort and more secure option. That said, Robin We'd run the software that powers repo.or.cz probably if we were going to do that. I've got no objection to it, we just need to see about keeping the noise/spam down if we do open it like that. Even if we did that, we'd need a couple more people on the overlays management team. So I'd like to extend this invitation: More developers willing to learn the bits needed to process Git overlay requests are welcome to contact the alias, overl...@gentoo.org -- Robin Hugh Johnson Gentoo Linux Developer Infra Guy E-Mail : robb...@gentoo.org GnuPG FP : 11AC BA4F 4778 E3F6 E4ED F38E B27B 944E 3488 4E85
[gentoo-dev] ACCEPT_PROPERTIES in portage trunk
Hi, I would like to inform you in addition of ACCEPT_KEYWORDS and somewhat new ACCEPT_LICENSE, portage now uses ACCEPT_PROPERTIES. As for LICENSE, this var let the user mask some packages considering the PROPERTIES line. Contrary to ACCEPT_LICENSE, the default value is *. This means every PROPERTIES value will be accepted. Actually, the only usage I know is for interactive: if you want to mask interactive ebuilds, you will just have to set ACCEPT_PROPERTIES=-interactive then emerge/portage will consider the ebuild is not visible. You can also set /etc/portage/package.properties to have a per-package configuration. It was needed to fix a blocker for packagekit with interactive ebuilds. So, it's a bit selfish ;) Thanks, Mounir
Re: [gentoo-dev] Multimedia overlay
Thomas Sachau wrote: Is there a special reason, why we need to split things even more? Why not invite those devs and interested users to sunrise? Training ground for interested users is one of the main goals of our project. Sunrise has a very different policy (e.g. no packages already in portage) and workflow (e.g. dev review). You know I fully support Sunrise and regularly refer users to it, when they want to contribute. But for what we want it is not exactly the right tool.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Multimedia overlay
Mark Loeser wrote: Why can't this be on our official overlays? Is there a technical reason, because we seem to just be spreading things out even more than necessary. Because on g.o.g.o. we can not admin it ourselves, resulting in delays and adding to infra's burden. Also, the web interface is quite bare, not as pretty and nice to work with as gitorious (and github).
Re: [gentoo-dev] Multimedia overlay
Arun Raghavan wrote: This still does not address the original problem - if $external_service shuts down, is bought out, has arbitrary terms about content that are not immediately clear as being unfavourable to us, (at least) that part of the project which is hosted on is negatively affected. As this is a git overlay, it's not a problem. It would be very easy to move the public repo to another location. Ben
[gentoo-dev] Re: [gsoc-status] portage backend for PackageKit
Mounir Lamouri wrote: So, this week, I will add a ACCEPT_PROPERTIES feature to portage. I was thinking of filtering interactive PROPERTIES in my backend but zac told me he was planning to add this feature. It should be available soon (one or two days) and the gnome-packagekit ebuild will be the next step. So, you should have it in two or three days. Depends on the difficulty. If the build system is clean as the PackageKit one was, it will be hard and I've no commit access to gnome-packagekit unfortunately. gnome-packagekit is now availabe in the gnome overlay. And ACCEPT_PROPERTIES is available in portage trunk. I'm now fixing some bugs so if you found some, let me know ! Mounir
Re: [gentoo-dev] Multimedia overlay
2009/8/12 Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org: Arun Raghavan wrote: This still does not address the original problem - if $external_service shuts down, is bought out, has arbitrary terms about content that are not immediately clear as being unfavourable to us, (at least) that part of the project which is hosted on is negatively affected. As this is a git overlay, it's not a problem. It would be very easy to move the public repo to another location. Which still does not address concerns about (admittedly paranoid) concerns about terms of use and content. -- Arun Raghavan http://arunraghavan.net/ (Ford_Prefect | Gentoo) (arunsr | GNOME)
Re: [gentoo-dev] Stats test server running, please check it out
Federico Ferri wrote: 1st: you could make an ebuild for it ;) Done. Look for app-admin/gentoo-smolt- in the sping overlay. Running # smoltSendProfile --server=http://smolt.hartwork.org:45678/ should work fine after. Sebastian
