AW: [gentoo-user] Samba NT Domain
Thanks, Steve. It turned out all i needed to do was add an adduser script to the global section, that creates the users after checking with the PDC (haven't tried the `worst case' - logging in with a user not added to the domain) anyway, it works (for now). Thanks anyway. Best regards, -brian -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Steven Elling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: 16 September 2003 03:32 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: [gentoo-user] Samba NT Domain On Monday 15 September 2003 06:15, Brian Reichholf wrote: Actually, let me rephrase that: Logon works quite fine, but what do I use for `valid users'? %U is a bit harsh, also that didn't turn out to work (so far) trying to share /tmp as an attempt to get general shares working I entered these values in the smb.conf: [tmp] comment = TMP Directory path = /tmp browseable = Yes read only = No create mask = 0664 directory mask = 0775 valid users = %U no, it didn't work yes, %U was a bad idea, but what else is `good' for domain users then??? Tia, Cheers, -Brian My Samba server is the PDC so it is a little different but other than that it should operate the same as yours. I use the following: [temp] path = /usr/local/share/data/temp public = yes writable = no printable = no write list = @smbusers smbusers is a group in /etc/groups and I have all the WIndows users in this group. AFAIK this is the only way you can limit writing to the temp directory to a group of users. Also, last time I checked the users had to exists in the local password file /etc/passwd. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] SMTP auth with qmail
On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 02:33:08AM -0700, Robin H. Johnson wrote: On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 09:49:06AM +0200, Kjetil Brekke wrote: Does anyone have some experience or ideas on how to do this. I have seen a couple of patches, but there's not much documentation on how to accomplish this. emerge -r12 of qmail, which is currently hardmasked as I'm still testing it. look at /var/qmail/control/conf-smtpd if you want to accept SMTP AUTH incoming, or /usr/share/doc/qmail-1.03-r12/qmail-remote-auth-patch-doc.txt.gz if you want your server to use SMTP AUTH to send outgoing mail. Thanks to both of you, much appreciated! Kjetil I know, it's been answered already, but when i set up qmail and an smtp server i had problems with SMTP auth, so i ended up using pop-before-smtp, that worked fine for me, though i don't recall where i got it from, it's too long ago :/ hope it helped anyway. regards, -Brian -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Curiosity - DirectFB
mmh, i'm curious, and i would like to try directFB i am currently using xfree and wanted to emerge directfb and/or xdirectfb so i did an `emerge -s directfb' and got the obvious results: `dev-libs/DirectFB', `dev-libs/DirectFB-extra' and 'x11-base/xdirectfb' but neither of these will work if i go for the `emerge -puD directfb' all i get is the following message: -- snip begin -- ebuild: there are no masked or unmasked ebuilds that satisfy directfb. !!! Error calculating dependancies. Please correct. -- snip end -- any tips? cheers, -bri -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Curiosity - DirectFB
ah, well, i just noticed that directfb was emerged and i started to emerge xdirectfb :) does anybody perhaps have any resources on how i can get started with directfb _instead_ of Xfree? cheers, -bri On Mon, 2003-06-16 at 00:35, MIKE MacMartin wrote: so i did an `emerge -s directfb' and got the obvious results: `dev-libs/DirectFB', `dev-libs/DirectFB-extra' and 'x11-base/xdirectfb' but neither of these will work if i go for the `emerge -puD directfb' all i get is the following message: I wrestle with this a log ... emerge -s is essentially doing a grep -i on all of them... note the case insensitive flag. Unfortunately, emerge doesn't do this as well. So, the command you'd want is emerge DirectFB, emerge DirectFB-extra or emerge xdirectfb. cheers, -bri MIKE -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Gimp and Japanese Font(s)
i'm trying to create a wallpaper in gimp though i seem to be experiencing some slight problems... i would like to include some Japanese (Kanji) symbols, so i included canna and cjk with my use variables, and even when selecting some basic plugins in gimp i can't display the font(s) all that gimp does is echo this is a 2 byte font, it might not display correctly the strange thing is: the arabic font clearyu arabic extra is displayed correctly, so is the hindu clearyu devangari extra any suggestions? am i using the correct font(s) (eg. fixed(sony) - jisx0201.1976-0, fixed (jis) - medium [C], fangsong ti - medium [C]) help is appreciated. cheers, -brian -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] bin2iso problems
i have a bin file, and wanted to extract one file from it, so i emerged bin2iso and converted it to an iso file (at least so i hoped) strangely enough the result was: filename-01.iso and filename-02.iso (the bin is an image of an SVCD) i wasn't that surprised though and just though `what the hell' and wanted to mount the filename-02.iso as a loopback device... so here goes: $ mount -o loop -t iso9660 /path/to/file.iso /mnt/iso mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0 or too many mounted filesystems i doubt it is the latter (too many filesystems) as i only have 10 mounted filesystems (including tmpfs that is) and i have no problem to mount another network drive. i do have loopback support compiled into the kernel (not as module) and seeing as the svcd-bin is inteded to be burned to a cdr, i should be right to assume that the filetype is iso9660.. what am i doing wrong??? help is appreciated cheers, -bri -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge jedit fails.
not that it helps, but i get the exact same error, and of course the needed java resources are in /opt (also using blackdown java). i also posted this problem a while back (may 19th) but got no reply *sigh* i tried to solve the problem by just changing to the dir, and reading the README.SRC.txt it tells you to execute ant dist in the according directory. doing so results with the same error. also searching the build.xml for SAXE comes up with absolutely no result... beats me... i'll just download the java based installer and install it without emerge (www.jedit.org if you're still interested) cheers, -brian On Mon, 2003-06-02 at 05:56, Carlos wrote: Hey people, Well, trying to emerge jedit fails. Could this have something to do with my JAVA setup or could it be that the ebuild is broken? The output of emerge jedit is here: Calculating dependencies ...done! emerge (1 of 1) app-editors/jedit-4.1 to / md5 src_uri ;-) jedit41source.tar.gz Unpacking source... Unpacking jedit41source.tar.gz to /var/tmp/portage/jedit-4.1/work Source unpacked. Buildfile: build.xml BUILD FAILED Unable to load default ProjectHelper due to java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/xml/sax/SAXException Total time: 3 seconds !!! ERROR: app-editors/jedit-4.1 failed. !!! Function src_compile, Line 32, Exitcode 1 !!! compile problem Regards, Carlos. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge jedit fails.
the java based installer worked fine when running that as root btw :) hth, -bri On Mon, 2003-06-02 at 15:48, Brian Reichholf wrote: not that it helps, but i get the exact same error, and of course the needed java resources are in /opt (also using blackdown java). i also posted this problem a while back (may 19th) but got no reply *sigh* i tried to solve the problem by just changing to the dir, and reading the README.SRC.txt it tells you to execute ant dist in the according directory. doing so results with the same error. also searching the build.xml for SAXE comes up with absolutely no result... beats me... i'll just download the java based installer and install it without emerge (www.jedit.org if you're still interested) cheers, -brian On Mon, 2003-06-02 at 05:56, Carlos wrote: Hey people, Well, trying to emerge jedit fails. Could this have something to do with my JAVA setup or could it be that the ebuild is broken? The output of emerge jedit is here: Calculating dependencies ...done! emerge (1 of 1) app-editors/jedit-4.1 to / md5 src_uri ;-) jedit41source.tar.gz Unpacking source... Unpacking jedit41source.tar.gz to /var/tmp/portage/jedit-4.1/work Source unpacked. Buildfile: build.xml BUILD FAILED Unable to load default ProjectHelper due to java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/xml/sax/SAXException Total time: 3 seconds !!! ERROR: app-editors/jedit-4.1 failed. !!! Function src_compile, Line 32, Exitcode 1 !!! compile problem Regards, Carlos. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge jedit fails.
mmh, right, as i noted in my previous mail it installed fine with the java based installer... though i think the problem lies within ant itself, not jedit. reason why i believe so: i tried to install some plugins, and it seems that you require ant to do so. -- snip - paste starts -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/download/jedit/FTP/FTP $ ll total 52 -rw-rw-r--1 brianusers1662 Jan 23 04:34 FTP.props -r--r--r--1 brianusers 340 Jan 23 04:34 TODO.txt -rw-rw-r--1 brianusers 851 Jan 17 04:11 actions.xml -r--r--r--1 brianusers 321 Feb 3 06:40 build.properties -rw-rw-r--1 brianusers3436 Feb 3 06:40 build.xml drwxr-xr-x3 brianusers4096 Jun 2 16:06 com drwxr-xr-x2 brianusers4096 Jun 2 16:06 conf -rw-rw-r--1 brianusers 175 Feb 3 06:41 docbook-wrapper.xsl drwxr-xr-x2 brianusers4096 Jun 2 16:06 ftp -rw-rw-r--1 brianusers 10409 Jan 15 00:13 users-guide.xml -rw-rw-r--1 brianusers1847 Jan 15 00:13 users-guide.xsl -- snip - paste ends -- again you find the infamous build.xml in the extracted archive. starting ant results in the error that occurs when trying to emerge jedit. so i did it again, this time with a verbose output: -- snip - paste starts -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/download/jedit/FTP/FTP $ ant -v build.xml Apache Ant version 1.5.3 compiled on June 2 2003 Buildfile: build.xml Detected Java version: 1.3 in: /opt/blackdown-jdk-1.3.1/jre Detected OS: Linux BUILD FAILED Unable to load default ProjectHelper due to java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/xml/sax/SAXException at org.apache.tools.ant.ProjectHelper.getProjectHelper(ProjectHelper.java:221) at org.apache.tools.ant.ProjectHelper.configureProject(ProjectHelper.java:116) at org.apache.tools.ant.Main.runBuild(Main.java:596) at org.apache.tools.ant.Main.start(Main.java:196) at org.apache.tools.ant.Main.main(Main.java:235) --- Nested Exception --- java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/xml/sax/SAXException at org.apache.tools.ant.ProjectHelper.getProjectHelper(ProjectHelper.java:217) at org.apache.tools.ant.ProjectHelper.configureProject(ProjectHelper.java:116) at org.apache.tools.ant.Main.runBuild(Main.java:596) at org.apache.tools.ant.Main.start(Main.java:196) at org.apache.tools.ant.Main.main(Main.java:235) -- snip - paste ends -- any ant/java experts out there? :) -bri On Mon, 2003-06-02 at 15:48, Brian Reichholf wrote: not that it helps, but i get the exact same error, and of course the needed java resources are in /opt (also using blackdown java). i also posted this problem a while back (may 19th) but got no reply *sigh* i tried to solve the problem by just changing to the dir, and reading the README.SRC.txt it tells you to execute ant dist in the according directory. doing so results with the same error. also searching the build.xml for SAXE comes up with absolutely no result... beats me... i'll just download the java based installer and install it without emerge (www.jedit.org if you're still interested) cheers, -brian On Mon, 2003-06-02 at 05:56, Carlos wrote: Hey people, Well, trying to emerge jedit fails. Could this have something to do with my JAVA setup or could it be that the ebuild is broken? The output of emerge jedit is here: Calculating dependencies ...done! emerge (1 of 1) app-editors/jedit-4.1 to / md5 src_uri ;-) jedit41source.tar.gz Unpacking source... Unpacking jedit41source.tar.gz to /var/tmp/portage/jedit-4.1/work Source unpacked. Buildfile: build.xml BUILD FAILED Unable to load default ProjectHelper due to java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/xml/sax/SAXException Total time: 3 seconds !!! ERROR: app-editors/jedit-4.1 failed. !!! Function src_compile, Line 32, Exitcode 1 !!! compile problem Regards, Carlos. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] fails to mount /proc???
mmh, you could reboot with a gentoo/knopix/any bootable linux distro and then chroot/chdir to you're mounted harddrive, then you should be able to create /proc... i'm not 100% sure though, but it's well worth a try and sounds pretty much doable. HTH, bri On Thu, 2003-03-27 at 20:14, Chris Graves wrote: This is my first install of gentoo. After install, on first boot, startup halts claiming mount point /proc does not exist. I checked and sure enough /proc does not exist. But the filesystem is readonly at this point in the startup, so what can I do? Any ideas appreciated. thanks, -c -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] rpm??
On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 18:09, Ben Sparks wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 RPM's...aack!...they's da debil -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE+cLtHyJBq97+CQrERApjFAJ45hMiCi43c7wwoXfiK5pi+3jD+GQCfYm7S N0R9iNpsY72A/MpbPdVnKT8= =C9U4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- i fully agree ;) thanks to google.com (yay :D) i got it up and running - so all problems have been solved and i can get back to avoiding rpm's ;) thanks to the ones lending a helping hand, /Brian -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] rpm??
*sigh* oh, the joy of rpm's, how annoying :/ i am trying to install some commercial software which unfortunately is only available as an RPM (to my knowlege - at least i have the rpms...) strangely enough though after emergeing rpm and executing rpm -ihv package.rpm it tells me that i don't fulful the requirements (i manually checked.. and i *do* have all the .so's required - it doesn't ask for packages, just so's) any suggestions? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Installing Gentoo - going mad
On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 21:47, Patrick Marquetecken wrote: emerge nvidia-glx emerge nvidia-kernel echo NVdriver /etc/modules.autoload modified the /etc/X11/XF86Config according to the guide. If i reboot there is a message that the NVdriver is not loaded. dmesg shows following error nvidia: 10de:0187 - unknown PCI id nvidia: no NVIDIA graphics adapter found and X wont start Patrick right, the only problem is, that it seems that you are using the up to date drivers (should be 4191(-r1/-r2)) and it seems that the documentation has not been updated. the module name changed from NVdriver to nvidia in the past big version upgrade (3123 to 4191). so change NVdriver to nvidia in your /etc/modules.autoload and that should fix it :) let me know if there are any other problems that i maybe can help out with. regards, -Brian -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Installing Gentoo - going mad
On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 22:05, Ernie Schroder wrote: nvidia-*-4191 are still masked, I believe, NVdriver is still correct for the standard drivers. Using the 4191 drivers requires other maskes packages to be installed such as: gcc-3.2.2-r1 [3.2.1-r6] glibc-2.3.2 [2.3.1-r2] xfree-4.3.0-r1 [4.2.1-r2] And gcc 3.2.2-r1 gave me some problems the other night on my new box. well, i have nvidia-*-4191 installed - using ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 so i'm not entirely sure if it's masked or not. regarding gcc-3.2.2-r1: i didn't install it, i just injected it, as i don't really feel like upgrading every -rXX change, so to satisfy the needs of emerge i just injected 3.2.2-r1 and have 3.2.2 installed (next upgrade i'll do *might* be 3.2.3 - maybe later... we'll see) - imho it just takes up too much time (and transfer - evil austrian isps decided to give the customers limited transfer with their ADSL packages, and cable is not an option :/ ) same goes for Xfree-4.3.0-rXX ;) though, as you say, NVdriver is correct for any official version prior to the 4191 (well, maybe it might have been different to start off with, but it has been NVdriver for the past few.. what? year(s)? - i didn't really keep track of it), but if Patrick is using the 4191 (which i'd assume when he's installing 1.4-rc3 - like mentioned in a mail of his beforehand) then the module he needs is nvidia :) if you happen to be offended, i did not at all mean to do so. -Brian -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Content (porn) Filter
even though this list perhaps shouldn't be used for a discussion like this i'll gladly add my opinion. though this time, from a child's point of view (since i've almost been through that beeing 18 now). i must say that i do agree with all of you're opinion. isn't it generally almost a fact, that just restricting a child to not do something, it will (often, but certainly not always) pretty much encourage them to find a way to get around it?! so, if you consider your relationship (as in understanding/getting on with/beeing able to explain things to your child) very well and you have the feeling they do too, then it definately is easier to just explain it to them (even if your relationship with them isn't all that good my opinion is, that you will, sooner or later have to explain this, and other things to them) and thus very likely prevent them from viewing offensive sites (at least at young ages - as the scotish standup comedian Billy Connolly explains in one of his sketches men/young boys generally do get a certain urge..). though for Michael's problem (work) the only thing you can really do (imho) is to block a few selecte hosts to keep the porn-banners from literally popping up in your face. i'd also suggest that this would be useful at home, though you wouldn't get around setting up squid/squidguard properly, that's the problem. for windows: there are various applications like netnanny for instance, though then you can easily have problems, like Susie wrote that children can't access hotmail.com from at home. as susie also said you could install mozilla and bannerblind, or in the case of using windows there are quite a few bannerblocking apps (not quite sure on the possibilities for other OS's) the problem you end up with in the end is that extensive configuration in the sense of adding sites manually is needed, as in my opinion it isn't the best idea to filter sites by just basically doing a few regexp matches on it's content - that will lead to unnecessarily blocked sites far too often. a little note to susie: well done on discouraging your son from using acros. i know what it's like when (some) people at school (accidentally?) use them, and it just scares me... luckily i never got into the habit of using them outside of irc-networks/e-mails/instant messangers. but to get back to the main point, as mentioned before: well done (even if it may not have been all that much work ;) -Brian -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[Fwd: Re: [gentoo-user] Time is Wrong]
and now as a forward. -Forwarded Message- From: Brian Reichholf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mario Vukelic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Time is Wrong Date: 24 Feb 2003 23:12:45 +0100 On Mon, 2003-02-24 at 22:46, Mario Vukelic wrote: On Mon, 2003-02-24 at 22:34, Paul de Vrieze wrote: Set the time, run hwclock --systohc , run rm /etc/adjtime and you're go. Also make sure that you store the time in the correct format in your hardware clock (either utc or local) Which doesn't help you at all if the hardware clock drifts. Go with chronyd, I can only repeat it :) imho: if it worked _beforehand_ then the hardwareclock can't be drifting that much, can it? so that might be a possible solution for the person seeking help. regarding chronyd as you call it (on a short notice) all i can say is: --- begin code snippet --- Searching... [ Results for search key : chronyd ] [ Applications found : 0 ] Searching... [ Results for search key : chrony ] [ Applications found : 1 ] * net-misc/chrony Latest version available: 1.18 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 295 kB Homepage:http://chrony.sunsite.dk Description: NTP client and server programs --- end code snippet --- so that would have to be emerge net-misc/chrony or, just for argument's sake: emerge chrony no? ;) note: i was just trying to correct you, no offence meant at all! regards -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] emerging docbook-sgml-utils-0.6.12
i've just been emerging world and sadly enough can't get past a little problem with the evil docbook-sgml-utils-0.6.12 package. when working on the make files it just stops and exits in the relative subdirectory: docbook-sgml-utils-0.6.12/doc/HTML as it's having problems building api.html it would work fine if i edit the Makefile in doc/ directory to exclude the HTML subdirectory, but if i do so, and then re-emerge with: emerge -u docbook-sgml-utils then it will just delete everything so far and re-extract/re-compile which can be rather anoying :/ any experience with this problem? the output of the relevant part looks like this: --- begin code snippet --- [ ... ] going through configure [ ... ] -o directory --output directory -V variable[=value] make[2]: *** [api.html] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/docbook-sgml-utils-0.6.12/work/docbook-utils-0.6.12/doc/HTML' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/docbook-sgml-utils-0.6.12/work/docbook-utils-0.6.12/doc' make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 !!! ERROR: app-text/docbook-sgml-utils-0.6.12 failed. !!! Function src_compile, Line 32, Exitcode 2 !!! (no error message) --- end code snippet --- regards -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Portage/emerge and it's default ebuilds
Hello there fellow gentoo-users, i'm fairly new to gentoo (just installed it last weekend) and have been fiddling with it and the emerge/portage system for some time now. I have noticed that the newest version available is not always the newest version that actually is available. Waimea 0.4.0 for instance is available in the x11-wm/waimea directory, though if you go for the normal emerge -u waiema and you have version 0.3.3 installed it will tell you that there is nothing to update... this also applies to other applications, how come though? this can be rather frustrating at some points, especially if i prefer the 0.4.0 version over the 0.3.3 version (as an example). so i just decided to ebuild it. though, now every time i do an emerge -up world it will of course check the /var/cache/edb/world, see the x11-wm/waimea entry, and check to see if there is an update for it, and strangely enough it will tell me: These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuildUD] x11-wm/waimea-0.3.3 [0.4.0] any ideas why this is so (as mentioned beforehand this of course also applies to other applications - ie. xchat) regards, Brian -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Portage/emerge and it's default ebuilds
On Sat, 2003-02-22 at 16:55, Collins wrote: On Saturday 22 February 2003 07:22 am, Nick Jones wrote: I have noticed that the newest version available is not always the newest version that actually is available. man emerge look for 'MASKED PACKAGES' Gentoo developers frequently release packages that are masked (for testing) which they do not want to make avalable for general use. mmh, after taking Nick's advice i read the relevant part in the man page and just added the ``ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86'' and that seems to do it :) thanks anyway, regards, -Brian -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gnome upgrade ?
On Fri, 1999-12-31 at 21:37, raptor wrote: does someone made a upgrade to Gnome 2.2 ? Did u have some problems ?! well, i installed gentoo 1.4-rc2 from scratch and never had gnome 2.0 so i started off with gnome 2.2 and so far have experience no problem(s) with it, then again, i hardly use it (i prefer plain waimea). but as mentioned, so far no problems really :) gnome-base/gnome v. 2.2-r2 One more thing I have set : USE=-qt -kde but still have kde-stuff here.. !! WHY ? mmh, if you don't really want it, you can always unmerge/remove it, no? the USE flag only affects new installations, and remember, if a library, that is mainly used in KDE, is needed for a different ebuild that you are merging, then obviously this library will be installed too (hope that is explained clear enough) Persobaly I preffer to make the upgrade part-by-part(incrementaly)... Can someone give me some idea of the main parts of Gnome.. so that I pretend them one-by-one w/o braking my current working GNOME.. One more thing is glibc upgrade enought error-free ? sys-libs/glibc v. 2.3.1-r2 is installed at the moment, though i'm doing an emerge -u --deep world atm so it's being upgraded to -r3, and no, so far i haven't had any problems with it [r2] though then again, i'm not really doing any development work to really sift through it for errors it may have *shrugs* hope that helped (a bit?!) regards, Brian -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
