Re: [gentoo-user] vmware
0. Bull? Learn some manners, sir. 1. VMware was developed by the company. It is not produced by them. No one produces a software. 2. I never said that it is free. It is not. 3. It is NOT stolen!!! only a physical item can be stolen. 4. If he can't pay the american price that they demand then they are NOT deprived of income. 5. He does have the right to own it. VMware must offer him a price relative to the income in his country. Yuval On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 10:12:38AM -0500, Larry Schuler wrote: Bull. VMware is produced by a company and sold for money. They have set up a legal entity to do this. Just because their product is not something you can touch and feel, does not make it free. When it is stolen, your depriving the company of income that is needed to pay for salaries, RD, brickmortar facilities, etc. The company *is* deprived of income! Bottom line, and you know it, your taking something you have not purchased, and have no right to own. Scharf Yuval wrote: On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 09:42:53AM -0500, Larry Schuler wrote: You missed one other option, do without. That is what I am doing. Exactly. I would love to have one of those new Ferrari's. But, oh my, they're too expensive, and my poor little self can't afford one on my piddly salary. So, should I just go steal one If you'll steal a Ferray the owner will not have it anymore. This is not the case in software. Bruce E. Harris wrote: You missed one other option, do without. That is what I am doing. On Tuesday 02 March 2004 07:08 pm, Bruce E. Harris wrote: I know that 300$ is nothing in your world with people being payed that much in a day (if say a doctor worked in your country he might get close to 300$ a day), but few people here have a salary in that range over here. So we have several options, 1. Buy the exorbitantly priced software. 2. Buy a pirated cd of the software (.5$) 3. Download a cracked vesion of the sofware. Grendel -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] vmware
On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 09:42:53AM -0500, Larry Schuler wrote: You missed one other option, do without. That is what I am doing. Exactly. I would love to have one of those new Ferrari's. But, oh my, they're too expensive, and my poor little self can't afford one on my piddly salary. So, should I just go steal one If you'll steal a Ferray the owner will not have it anymore. This is not the case in software. Bruce E. Harris wrote: You missed one other option, do without. That is what I am doing. On Tuesday 02 March 2004 07:08 pm, Bruce E. Harris wrote: I know that 300$ is nothing in your world with people being payed that much in a day (if say a doctor worked in your country he might get close to 300$ a day), but few people here have a salary in that range over here. So we have several options, 1. Buy the exorbitantly priced software. 2. Buy a pirated cd of the software (.5$) 3. Download a cracked vesion of the sofware. Grendel -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] vmware
On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 09:03:32AM -0700, Ric Messier wrote: On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, Scharf Yuval wrote: That is NOT stealing. Stealing is when after the act the victim does not longer have the item. There is no reason to accept the corporate world terminology. Steal, v. : To take (the property of another) without right or permission. This is not corporate world terminology. If you take something that doesn't belong to you, it's stealing. Are you saying that identity theft (the act of stealing someone's identity and making use of it) is not theft or stealing? If you steal my identity (and use it illicitly), I still have it but it doesn't change the fact that you stole it. Ric -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list No Ric, Identity theft is not stealing. It is a term made up by the american media. Still, it is a horribe crime. -- Yuval Scharf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Font problem after emerging QT3.3
Hello, After emerging qt 3.3 non-latin letters appear on the screen as empty squares. This happened in two out of three machines. I don't know what is different in the third machine and I also don't know what to investigate. Can someone help? Thanks, Yuval Scharf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] DMA
On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Calvin Walton wrote:
After rebooting my machine dmesg showed the following lines:
hdb: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
hdb: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC }
more of same...
hda: DMA disabled
hdb had the DMA on and hda had DMA off but I had no problem turning it on
manually.
Do I have a problem in hdb? what should I do about it?
Why didn't hda start with DMA automatically?
Thanks,
Yuval Scharf
Try enabling the option Use multi-mode by default, found in:
Device Drivers
-Enhanced IDE/MFM/RLL disk/cdrom/tape/floppy support
-Include IDE/ATA-2 DISK support
or IDEDISK_MULTI_MODE=y in the config file.
As the kernel help reads:
Use multi-mode by default (IDEDISK_MULTI_MODE)
If you get this error, try to say Y here:
hda: set_multmode: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
hda: set_multmode: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError }
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Itamar and Calvin, thanks for answering but you were wrong.
My error message is different than the error message written in the
IDEDISK_MULTI_MODE option. It didn't help.
I've searched the web and found out that this is a hardware problem.
It can be caused be a bad cable or cables which are to close to each other,
etc.
In my case sometimes I get the problem and sometimes I don't.
Yuval Scharf
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[gentoo-user] KDE
Hello, When building kde-3.2.0 I got the following message: configure.in: no proper invocation of AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE was found. configure.in: You should verify that configure.in invokes AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE, configure.in: that aclocal.m4 is present in the top-level directory, configure.in: and that aclocal.m4 was recently regenerated (using aclocal). configure.in: required file `./install-sh' not found configure.in: required file `./mkinstalldirs' not found configure.in: required file `./missing' not found make[4]: *** [Makefile.in] Error 1 make[4]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/kdebase-3.2.0/work/kdebase-3.2.0/doc/kcontrol/desktopbehavior' make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/kdebase-3.2.0/work/kdebase-3.2.0/doc/kcontrol' make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/kdebase-3.2.0/work/kdebase-3.2.0/doc' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/kdebase-3.2.0/work/kdebase-3.2.0' make: *** [all] Error 2 Can some one tell me what I should do? Thanks, Yuval Scharf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] DMA
Hello,
In a computer with a disk capable of DMA.
hdparm -i /dev/hda returns:
/dev/hda:
Model=Maxtor 6E040L0, FwRev=NAR61590, SerialNo=E13CFB3E
Config={ Fixed }
RawCHS=16383/16/63, TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=57
BuffType=DualPortCache, BuffSize=2048kB, MaxMultSect=16, MultSect=off
CurCHS=17475/15/63, CurSects=16513875, LBA=yes, LBAsects=80293248
IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:120,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120}
PIO modes: pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4
DMA modes: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2
UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 *udma2 udma3 udma4 udma5 udma6
AdvancedPM=yes: disabled (255) WriteCache=enabled
Drive conforms to: (null):
* signifies the current active mode
but hdparm /dev/hda returns:
/dev/hda:
multcount= 0 (off)
IO_support = 0 (default 16-bit)
unmaskirq= 0 (off)
using_dma= 0 (off)
keepsettings = 0 (off)
readonly = 0 (off)
readahead= 256 (on)
geometry = 65535/16/63, sectors = 80293248, start = 0
When I try turning the DMA on using hdparm -d1 /dev/hda I get:
/dev/hda:
setting using_dma to 1 (on)
HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
using_dma= 0 (off)
I'm using Linux 2.6 and as much as I can see all the DMA options in the
kernel are turned on. Can someone tell me what is the problem?
Thanks,
Yuval Scharf
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Re: [gentoo-user] DMA
On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Kevin Hanson wrote:
Scharf Yuval wrote:
Hello,
In a computer with a disk capable of DMA.
hdparm -i /dev/hda returns:
/dev/hda:
Model=Maxtor 6E040L0, FwRev=NAR61590, SerialNo=E13CFB3E
Config={ Fixed }
RawCHS=16383/16/63, TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=57
BuffType=DualPortCache, BuffSize=2048kB, MaxMultSect=16, MultSect=off
CurCHS=17475/15/63, CurSects=16513875, LBA=yes, LBAsects=80293248
IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:120,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120}
PIO modes:pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4
DMA modes:mdma0 mdma1 mdma2
UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 *udma2 udma3 udma4 udma5 udma6
AdvancedPM=yes: disabled (255) WriteCache=enabled
Drive conforms to: (null):
* signifies the current active mode
but hdparm /dev/hda returns:
/dev/hda:
multcount = 0 (off)
IO_support = 0 (default 16-bit)
unmaskirq = 0 (off)
using_dma = 0 (off)
keepsettings =0 (off)
readonly = 0 (off)
readahead = 256 (on)
geometry = 65535/16/63, sectors = 80293248, start = 0
When I try turning the DMA on using hdparm -d1 /dev/hda I get:
/dev/hda:
setting using_dma to 1 (on)
HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
using_dma = 0 (off)
I'm using Linux 2.6 and as much as I can see all the DMA options in the
kernel are turned on. Can someone tell me what is the problem?
Thanks,
Yuval Scharf
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You probably didn't compile in the pci bus master dma support for the
chipset your motherboard has into the kernel.If you just use generic
pci bus-master dma support you usually get this problem.
For example, I have an nforce2 chipset, so I compile in AMD and NVIDIA
IDE Support.Check for you chipset under the generic DMA bus-master
support tree.
Cheers,
Kevin
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Thanks kevin, it worked.
But I still have two problems.
my /etc/conf.d/hdparm file includes the line:
all_args=-d1
After rebooting my machine dmesg showed the following lines:
hdb: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
hdb: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC }
hdb: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
hdb: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC }
hdb: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
hdb: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC }
hdb: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
hdb: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC }
hdb: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
hdb: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC }
hda: DMA disabled
hdb had the DMA on and hda had DMA off but I had no problem turning it on
manually.
Do I have a problem in hdb? what should I do about it?
Why didn't hda start with DMA automatically?
Thanks,
Yuval Scharf
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[gentoo-user] Can't connect to the Internet
Hello, Since yesterday I can't connect to the Internet. I didn't make any change that is releveant. In Windows I can still connect so I don't think it is an ISP problem. You can see the relevant part of /var/log/messages below my signature. Can someone help me? Thanks, Yuval Scharf Feb 8 12:42:05 yuval_scharf pppd[4335]: pppd 2.4.1 started by root, uid 0 Feb 8 12:42:05 yuval_scharf pppd[4335]: Using interface ppp0 Feb 8 12:42:05 yuval_scharf pppd[4335]: Connect: ppp0 -- /dev/pts/0 Feb 8 12:42:06 yuval_scharf pppoe[4336]: PADS: Service-Name: '' Feb 8 12:42:06 yuval_scharf pppoe[4336]: PPP session is 45136 Feb 8 12:42:06 yuval_scharf pppd[4335]: LCP terminated by peer Feb 8 12:42:09 yuval_scharf pppd[4335]: Connection terminated. Feb 8 12:42:09 yuval_scharf pppoe[4336]: read (asyncReadFromPPP): Session 45136: Input/output error Feb 8 12:42:09 yuval_scharf pppoe[4336]: Sent PADT Feb 8 12:42:09 yuval_scharf pppd[4335]: Exit. Feb 8 12:42:09 yuval_scharf adsl-connect: ADSL connection lost; attempting re-connection. Feb 8 12:42:14 yuval_scharf pppd[4377]: pppd 2.4.1 started by root, uid 0 Feb 8 12:42:14 yuval_scharf pppd[4377]: Using interface ppp0 Feb 8 12:42:14 yuval_scharf pppd[4377]: Connect: ppp0 -- /dev/pts/0 Feb 8 12:42:14 yuval_scharf pppoe[4378]: PADS: Service-Name: '' Feb 8 12:42:14 yuval_scharf pppoe[4378]: PPP session is 45144 Feb 8 12:42:14 yuval_scharf pppd[4377]: LCP terminated by peer Feb 8 12:42:17 yuval_scharf pppd[4377]: Connection terminated. Feb 8 12:42:17 yuval_scharf pppoe[4378]: read (asyncReadFromPPP): Session 45144: Input/output error Feb 8 12:42:17 yuval_scharf pppoe[4378]: Sent PADT Feb 8 12:42:17 yuval_scharf pppd[4377]: Exit. Feb 8 12:42:17 yuval_scharf adsl-connect: ADSL connection lost; attempting re-connection. Feb 8 12:42:22 yuval_scharf pppd[4418]: pppd 2.4.1 started by root, uid 0 Feb 8 12:42:22 yuval_scharf pppd[4418]: Using interface ppp0 Feb 8 12:42:22 yuval_scharf pppd[4418]: Connect: ppp0 -- /dev/pts/0 Feb 8 12:42:22 yuval_scharf pppoe[4419]: PADS: Service-Name: '' Feb 8 12:42:22 yuval_scharf pppoe[4419]: PPP session is 45149 Feb 8 12:42:22 yuval_scharf pppd[4418]: LCP terminated by peer Feb 8 12:42:25 yuval_scharf pppd[4418]: Connection terminated. Feb 8 12:42:25 yuval_scharf pppoe[4419]: read (asyncReadFromPPP): Session 45149: Input/output error Feb 8 12:42:25 yuval_scharf pppoe[4419]: Sent PADT Feb 8 12:42:26 yuval_scharf pppd[4418]: Exit. Feb 8 12:42:26 yuval_scharf adsl-connect: ADSL connection lost; attempting re-connection. Feb 8 12:42:31 yuval_scharf pppd[4459]: pppd 2.4.1 started by root, uid 0 Feb 8 12:42:31 yuval_scharf pppd[4459]: Using interface ppp0 Feb 8 12:42:31 yuval_scharf pppd[4459]: Connect: ppp0 -- /dev/pts/0 Feb 8 12:42:31 yuval_scharf pppoe[4460]: PADS: Service-Name: '' Feb 8 12:42:31 yuval_scharf pppoe[4460]: PPP session is 45153 Feb 8 12:42:31 yuval_scharf pppd[4459]: LCP terminated by peer Feb 8 12:42:34 yuval_scharf pppd[4459]: Connection terminated. Feb 8 12:42:34 yuval_scharf pppoe[4460]: read (asyncReadFromPPP): Session 45153: Input/output error Feb 8 12:42:34 yuval_scharf pppoe[4460]: Sent PADT Feb 8 12:42:34 yuval_scharf pppd[4459]: Exit. Feb 8 12:42:34 yuval_scharf adsl-connect: ADSL connection lost; attempting re-connection. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] mm-sources-2.6.2
Can some one explain what is the problem:
emerge (1 of 1) sys-kernel/mm-sources-2.6.2_rc2-r1 to /
md5 src_uri ;-) patch-2.6.2-rc2.bz2
md5 src_uri ;-) linux-2.6.1.tar.bz2
md5 src_uri ;-) 2.6.2-rc2-mm1.bz2
Preparing to unpack...
Unpacking source...
Unpacking linux-2.6.1.tar.bz2 to
/var/tmp/portage/mm-sources-2.6.2_rc2-r1/work
* Applying 2.6.2-rc2-mm1.patch...
patch: pch.c:614: intuit_diff_type: Assertion `i0 != NONE' failed.
/usr/sbin/ebuild.sh: line 1367: 4544 Aborted ( patch
-p${PATCH_DEPTH} --dry-run -f ${i} /dev/null )
patch: pch.c:614: intuit_diff_type: Assertion `i0 != NONE' failed.
/usr/sbin/ebuild.sh: line 1367: 4545 Aborted ( patch
-p${PATCH_DEPTH} --dry-run -f ${i} /dev/null ) [ !! ]
!!! ERROR: sys-kernel/mm-sources-2.6.2_rc2-r1 failed.
!!! Function unipatch, Line 418, Exitcode 1
!!! Unable to dry-run patch.
Yuval Scharf
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[gentoo-user] A question about LILO (fwd)
Yuval Scharf -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 21:54:38 +0200 (IST) From: Scharf Yuval [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: A question about LILO Hi, I used to have Gentoo in /dev/hda2 Now I have Gentoo in /dev/hdb3 I have Windows XP in /dev/hda1 After telling the BIOS to start in my second HDD and using LILO to set hdb as my boot drive I can boot to my new Gentoo but I can't boot to Windows. What should I do in order to boot to Windows? Thanks, Yuval Scharf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Files in /etc/pam.d
Clearly, I never turned it ON in my old system. Yuval Scharf On Thu, 22 Jan 2004, Scharf Yuval wrote: Hi, Indeed the pam flag was turned off. This is strange, in my previous system where I moved from 2.4 to 2.6 I never turned it off and there was no problem. Anyhow, How do I tell portage that I've changed a USE flag and want it to rebuild what ever is needed? Thanks, Yuval Scharf On Thu, 22 Jan 2004, Andrew Ross wrote: Scharf Yuval wrote: When I look at the filed in /etc/pam.d using qpkg -f I can see that some of them came from ebuilds and some of them not. That's strange - a quick check of my /etc/pam.d shows 14 files, all belong to either shadow, openssh, or squid. Perhaps you could supply us with the list of files you are referring to? The reason I'm asking is because I'm building a new system and I can't login into it. It says that the authentication failed :-( I once had this problem (ie. unable to log into a newly built system, even as root). It was because I'd taken pam out of my use flags when the system was built (eg. USE=-pam emerge system). I rebooted using the live cd and redid the emerge system. Everything worked fine after that. Hope this helps Andrew -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Lilo fails with strange message
Hi, If days ago I emerged a newer version of lilo. Today after building a new kernel when I executed lilo I got the following message: Fatal: Setup length exceeds 31 maximum; kernel setup will overwrite boot loader Can someone explain what this message mean? Except changing the kernels list I didn't make any change in lilo.conf. Thanks, Yuval Scharf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Forwarded mail....
Hi, Please look at the message below. We tryed many combinations but nothing worked. Can someone help? Thanks, Yuval Scharf -- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 14:21:43 -0800 (PST) From: Gal Gefen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Yuval Scharf [EMAIL PROTECTED] when mounting a cd that contains both udf and iso9660, I get r-xr-xr-x permissions if mounting as iso but r--r--r-- if mounting as udf. So, I cannot read it's directories when mounted as udf (only root can). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Files in /etc/pam.d
Hello, When I look at the filed in /etc/pam.d using qpkg -f I can see that some of them came from ebuilds and some of them not. My question is very simple, those files that didn't come from an ebuild, where did they come from? The reason I'm asking is because I'm building a new system and I can't login into it. It says that the authentication failed :-( Yuval Scharf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Installation fails in bootstrap.sh
Hi,
I'm trying to install Gentoo.
When executing bootsrap.sh while emerging texinfo I get the message after
my signature.
I tries changing the CFLAGS but it didn't help.
I saw that the {standard input} lines does not appear if I don't use
-pipe.
Can someone tell me how to fix/workaround it.
Thanks,
Yuval Scharf
if gcc -DINFODIR=\/usr/share/info\ -DLOCALEDIR=\/usr/share/locale\
-DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I. -I../lib -I../intl -I.. -I.-O2
-mcpu=i686 -pipe -MT key.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/key.Tpo \
-c -o key.o `test -f 'key.c' || echo './'`key.c; \
then mv .deps/key.Tpo .deps/key.Po; \
else rm -f .deps/key.Tpo; exit 1; \
fi
{standard input}: Assembler messages:
{standard input}:0: Warning: end of file not at end of a line; newline
inserted
{standard input}:1730: Error: unrecognized symbol type
gcc: Internal error: Segmentation fault (program cc1)
Please submit a full bug report.
See URL:http://bugs.gentoo.org/ for instructions.
make[3]: *** [window.o] Error 1
make[3]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/var/tmp/portage/texinfo-4.5/work/texinfo-4.5/info'
make[2]: *** [all] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/var/tmp/portage/texinfo-4.5/work/texinfo-4.5/info'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/texinfo-4.5/work/texinfo-4.5'
make: *** [all] Error 2
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[gentoo-user] Buying a new NIC
Hi, Tomorrow I'll buy a new NIC (I'm tired of USB-ADSL). My question is can I buy whatever NIC I want or some NICs will not in Linux? Yuval Scharf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] safe to switch to linux-headers-2.6.0_beta11 ?
Hello, What is the difference between the header trees? How will compiling an application using the new tree will improve it? Thanks, Yuval Scharf On Mon, 29 Dec 2003, Andrew Gaffney wrote: Since I'm running 2.6 now for good, I'd like to switch to the 2.6 headers and recompile glibc. I did this a few days ago, but when I tried to compile samba-3.0.1, it gave me some error about not including kernel headers in userspace. Other than that,I didn't notice any problems. Then again, I only had the 2.6 glibc for about a day :) Has anyone else made this switch? -- Andrew Gaffney -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrading kernels
You should point the symlink /usr/src/linux to the new directory in /usr/src Yuval Scharf On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Thomas Smith wrote: I emerged gentoo-sources (linux-2.4.20-gentoo-r9) which is an upgrade from linux-2.4.20-gentoo-r6. The problem is that when I run genkernel --config it loads the r6 release. How can I tell genkernel to use the new, r9 sources? Pointers to docs are also helpful--I wasn't able to find any for this and there's no man page for genkernel. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] A problem with MozillaFirebird
Hello, I installed MozillaFirebird and it works fine with English websites. But, when I go to a Hebrew website instead of Hebrew letters I get those funny squares each includes 4 characters. How do I tell the browser to use Hebrew fonts? What is that funny font that Firbird is using? Thanks, Yuval Scharf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] A problem with MozillaFirebird
On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, Andrew Farmer wrote: On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 12:51:54 -0800, Scharf Yuval muttered: Hello, I installed MozillaFirebird and it works fine with English websites. But, when I go to a Hebrew website instead of Hebrew letters I get those funny squares each includes 4 characters. How do I tell the browser to use Hebrew fonts? What is that funny font that Firbird is using? This'll happen when you don't have any font installed for the characters the web page is using. You'll have to install a Hebrew font toget Hebrew characters -- apparently you don't have any installed (or Firebird isn't using them properly). Also check the font preferences. -- Andrew Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Andrew But I do have Hebrew fonts installed. Konqueror has no problem with Hebrew. The font preferences doesn't seem to change the font used. Yuval Scharf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] A problem with MozillaFirebird
Yuval Scharf On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, Chris Graves wrote: I installed MozillaFirebird and it works fine with English websites. But, when I go to a Hebrew website instead of Hebrew letters I get those funny squares each includes 4 characters. This'll happen when you don't have any fontinstalled for the characters the web page is using. You'll have to install a Hebrew font toget Hebrew characters -- apparently you don't have any installed (or Firebird isn't using them properly). But I do have Hebrew fonts installed. Konqueror has no problem with Hebrew. MozillaFirebird needs to be built with support for multibyte characters (USE=cjk, I think). -chris -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list But MozillaFirebird does onlu depend on +java +gtk2 -ipv6 -gnome -moznoxft You can see the values in my case. Yuval Scharf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] NPTL documentation
Thanks Nathan. Clearly NPTL tries to be POSIX compliant but I guess that it is not fully compliant so I would like to see in what way. Annoyingly enough, after installing NPTL, the man pages of the pthread calls were deleted from my system. I'm not sure which document you are talking about, please do send me the document. What is a good place to read about POSIX threads? I'd prefer a free source but appreciate a pointer to any good source. Yuval Scharf On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Van Eps, Nathan D. (James Tower) wrote: conjectureI'd imagine the interface for POSIX threads hasn't changed. The NPTL just improved the 'backend'./conjecture I've a pdf file describing NPTL if you want me to mail that to you. There is a place online you can download it, but I forgot where that was. I haven't had time to read through it yet. -Nathan -Original Message- From: Scharf Yuval [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 3:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [gentoo-user] NPTL documentation Hello, After installing NPTL, i.e. emerging glibc with USE=nptl I don't have the man pages of the pthread_* calls. So I'm looking for documentation of NPTL. I've searched the Internet but didn't find. Can some one tell me where I'll find the data I'm looking for? Thanks, Yuval Scharf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] I hate computers
Hello, For dozens of hours I tried to make the ens1371 in my old Compaq computer in my university produce any sound with no luck. I used red-had 8, Gentoo with 2.4 kernel, Gentoo with 2.6 kerenl. I tried amazingly many combinations. It didn't work. As much as I could have seen the computer was playning sounds, I just didn't hear any sounds. I should mention that Windows had no problem at all. Today I tried to play a CD but it didn't work. I became very suspicious, playing a CD has very little to do with the OS. So I took two speakers, connected to the soundcard and booted to Windows. Windows kept using the internal speaker. I booted to Linux, and EVERYTHING worked great with the external speakers. :-) So, Windows uses only the internal speaker and Linux uses only the external speakers. Can someone explain to me what is going on. Usually in computers, if there are no external speakers the internal speaker works and when you plug in the the external speakers they start to work. Is it a hardware feature or a software feature. Can I control which speakers will be use. Thanks, Yuval Scharf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] I hate computers
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003, Collins Richey wrote: On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 17:19:39 +0200 (IST) Scharf Yuval [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, For dozens of hours I tried to make the ens1371 in my old Compaq computer in my university produce any sound with no luck. I used red-had 8, Gentoo with 2.4 kernel, Gentoo with 2.6 kerenl. I tried amazingly many combinations. It didn't work. As much as I could have seen the computer was playning sounds, I just didn't hear any sounds. I should mention that Windows had no problem at all. Today I tried to play a CD but it didn't work. I became very suspicious, playing a CD has very little to do with the OS. So I took two speakers, connected to the soundcard and booted to Windows. Windows kept using the internal speaker. I booted to Linux, and EVERYTHING worked great with the external speakers. :-) So, Windows uses only the internal speaker and Linux uses only the external speakers. Can someone explain to me what is going on. Usually in computers, if there are no external speakers the internal speaker works and when you plug in the the external speakers they start to work. Is it a hardware feature or a software feature. Can I control which speakers will be use. Maybe you have the same problem as I do.My gentoo system uses devfs. When I load the alsa ens1371 module (modprobe ens1371), the soundcard clicks, but no /dev/dsp ... device entries are created.I have to 'rmmod ens1371' then 'modprobe ens1371' a second time to get it to work.No response from gentooers or the alsa mailing list about this problem.It could even be a devfsd problem. So I just add the following to local.start modprobe ens1371 rmmod ens1371 modprobe ens1371 play something youlike Also, the OSS module for my card works without a hitch. HTH. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list No Collins, Now I have almost no problem. Linux Plays fine with the external speakers. I just don't understand why Linux uses only the external speakers and Windows uses only the internal speaker. Yuval Scharf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] I hate computers
Hi Andrew, You are referring to the system speaker, the beep producer. I'm referring to a real (lousy) internal speaker in a Compaq desktop. Yuval Scharf On Thu, 27 Nov 2003, Andrew Gaffney wrote: Scharf Yuval wrote: Hello, For dozens of hours I tried to make the ens1371 in my old Compaq computer in my university produce any sound with no luck. Today I tried to play a CD but it didn't work. I became very suspicious, playing a CD has very little to do with the OS. So I took two speakers, connected to the soundcard and booted to Windows. Windows kept using the internal speaker. I booted to Linux, and EVERYTHING worked great with the external speakers. :-) So, Windows uses only the internal speaker and Linux uses only the external speakers. I wasn't aware the internal speaker could produce anything more than different beeps ;) Is this perhaps a laptop? Can someone explain to me what is going on. Usually in computers, if there are no external speakers the internal speaker works and when you plug in the the external speakers they start to work. Is it a hardware feature or a software feature. Can I control which speakers will be use. I am currently using my Creative Ensoniq 1371 to play MP3s in Linux. No special config required. I just built the driver into the kernel. In my experience, my computer, nor any other computer I have worked with, has *never* defaulted to the internal speaker when I didn't have external speakers plugged in. -- Andrew Gaffney -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] I hate computers, you mean windows?
Now that I checked it, I think that HvR was right. The internal speaker is really the regular system speaker. Windows installed drivers for two devices one connected to the internal speaker and the other is the real soundcard. Yuval Scharf On Thu, 27 Nov 2003, HvR wrote: On Thu, 2003-11-27 at 07:55, Andrew Gaffney wrote: Scharf Yuval wrote: Hello, For dozens of hours I tried to make the ens1371 in my old Compaq computer in my university produce any sound with no luck. Today I tried toplay a CD but it didn't work. I became very suspicious, playing a CD has very little to do with the OS. So I took two speakers, connected to the soundcard and booted to Windows. Windows kept using the internal speaker. I booted to Linux, and EVERYTHING worked great with the external speakers. :-) So, Windows uses only the internal speaker and Linux uses only the external speakers. I wasn't aware the internal speaker could produce anything more than different beeps ;) Is this perhaps a laptop? yes it can, windows loads a special driver that will emulate sound by using square sine waves (by just turning the speaker on and off you can create a square wave which kind of sounds like a normal sine wave). i did it all the time before soundcards were invented. linux on the other hand doesnt do that so it just loads the drivers for the sound card into which you have to plug the external speakers. so the question is really why does windows not detect the soundcard??? Can someone explain to me what is going on. Usually in computers, if there are no external speakers the internal speaker works and when you plug in the the external speakers they start to work. Is it a hardware feature or a software feature. Can I control which speakers will be use. I am currently using my Creative Ensoniq 1371 to play MP3s in Linux. No special config required. I just built the driver into the kernel. In my experience, my computer, nor any other computer I have worked with, has *never* defaulted to the internal speaker when I didn't have external speakers plugged in. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] NPTL documentation
Hello, After installing NPTL, i.e. emerging glibc with USE=nptl I don't have the man pages of the pthread_* calls. So I'm looking for documentation of NPTL. I've searched the Internet but didn't find. Can some one tell me where I'll find the data I'm looking for? Thanks, Yuval Scharf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Building the kernel
Hello, Please tell me if the following statement is correct: Because modules call internal functions of the kernel as fixed addresses, when the kernel is changed (even a small change) all modules must be rebuilt. Thanks, Yuval Scharf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Capabilities
Hello, How do you grant a user the capability to reboot a machine.. Yuval Scharf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Fail to start X
Do you have a config file in /etc/X11 ? Yuval Scharf On Sun, 19 Oct 2003, Stephen Liu wrote: Hi all folks, Gentoo 1.4 Failed to start X # startx XFree86.0.log as follow; XFree86 Version 4.3.0 Release Date: 27 February 2003 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.6 Build Operating System: Linux 2.4.20-gentoo-r7 i586[ELF] Build Date: 17 October 2003 Before reporting problems, check http://www.XFree86.Org/ to make sure that you have the latest version. Module Loader present Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: /var/log/XFree86.0.log, Time: Sun Oct 19 21:28:59 2003 (EE) Unable to locate/open config file (EE) Error from xf86HandleConfigFile() Fatal server error: no screens found When reporting a problem related to a server crash, please send the full server output, not just the last messages. This can be found in the log file /var/log/XFree86.0.log. Please report problems to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kindly advise how to get it fixed.Thanks B.R. Stephen Liu -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Fail to start X
Before the EndSection (in line 90) you forgot EndSubSection Yuval Scharf On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Stephen Liu wrote: Hi Ernie, - snip - Stephen, send the contents of /etc/X11/XF86Config It looks like startx cannot find the config file. If you have not created this file, go to the Gentoo desktop configuration guide: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/desktop.xml look forCode listing 2.2: Running xf86config I followed http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/desktop.xml Code listing 2.2 and https://www6.software.ibm.com/developerworks/education/l-xwin/l-xwin-3-1.html to create XF86Config and test the same according to Code listing 2.3.But still failed WARNING === XFree86 Version 4.3.0 Release Date: 27 February 2003 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.6 Build Operating System: Linux 2.4.20-gentoo-r7 i586 [ELF] Build Date: 17 October 2003 Before reporting problems, check http://www.XFree86.Org/ to make sure that you have the latest version. Module Loader present Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: /var/log/XFree86.0.log, Time: Mon Oct 20 00:35:35 2003 (==) Using config file: /etc/X11/XF86Config Parse error on line 90 of section Screen in file /etc/X11/XF86Config EndSection is not a valid keyword in this section. (EE) Problem parsing the config file (EE) Error from xf86HandleConfigFile() Fatal server error: no screens found When reporting a problem related to a server crash, please send the full server output, not just the last messages. This can be found in the log file /var/log/XFree86.0.log. Please report problems to [EMAIL PROTECTED] The XF86Config is attached to this email for your investigation. Thanks B.R. Stephen -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Fail to start X
Hi, CTRL + ALT + BS should do the trick(stop the server). I don't know why CTRL+ALT+F? didn't work. Edit the file /etc/rc.conf and set the value of XSESSION properly. In my case XSESSION=kde-3.1.4 Yuval Scharf On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Stephen Liu wrote: Hi Scharf, Scharf Yuval wrote: Before the EndSection (in line 90) you forgot EndSubSection I added EndSection as advised and startx This time it worked starting 3 xterm windows.The USB mouse did not work.I have no idea how to close them. TAB key Ctrl + Alt - Del Ctrl + Alt + F1 to F10 All have no effect B.R. Stephen Yuval Scharf On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Stephen Liu wrote: Hi Ernie, - snip - Stephen, send the contents of /etc/X11/XF86Config It looks like startx cannot find the config file. If you have not created this file, go to the Gentoo desktop configuration guide: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/desktop.xml look forCode listing 2.2: Running xf86config I followed http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/desktop.xml Code listing 2.2 and https://www6.software.ibm.com/developerworks/education/l-xwin/l-xwin-3-1.html to create XF86Config and test the same according to Code listing 2.3.But still failed WARNING === XFree86 Version 4.3.0 Release Date: 27 February 2003 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.6 Build Operating System: Linux 2.4.20-gentoo-r7 i586 [ELF] Build Date: 17 October2003 Before reporting problems, check http://www.XFree86.Org/ to make sure that you have the latest version. Module Loader present Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: /var/log/XFree86.0.log, Time: Mon Oct 20 00:35:35 2003 (==) Using config file: /etc/X11/XF86Config Parse error on line 90 of section Screen in file /etc/X11/XF86Config EndSection is not a valid keyword in this section. (EE) Problem parsing the config file (EE) Error from xf86HandleConfigFile() Fatal server error: no screens found When reporting a problemrelated to a server crash, please send the full server output, not just the last messages. This can be found in the log file /var/log/XFree86.0.log. Please report problems to [EMAIL PROTECTED] The XF86Config is attached to this emailfor your investigation. Thanks B.R. Stephen -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Keeping packages up todate with a 56k modem
emerge -uDpf will give you the list of files needed by emerge -uDp Yuval Scharf On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, David Gethings wrote: OK, tell me to RTFM if you like, however I have read the doc on the gentto website regarding emerge and have not found an answer. I know that a 'emerge -uDp world' will list all the packages I need to install/update. Does 'world' include 'system' ordo I need to do that seperately? Secondly, downloading all the packages over a 56k modem is a non-starter. Espcially as I only have one phone line and a chatty wife. ;). Is there a tool I could use to download the packages listed by 'emerge -uDp world' onto my Debian box at work. If so I could then burn these packages to a CD and then install from the CD. Cheers Dg -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] The new portage
Agter emerging the new portage I got a message saying ... Please do so and then update ALL of your configuration files. Only two files in /etc have a new version. Do I need to do something else beside merging those two files? Thanks, Yuval Scharf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] The new portage
Thanks Ernie, but my question was different. The message made me think that maybe I should do something else to all files. I believe that there is nothing I need to do I just want to be sure. Yuval Scharf On Sun, 12 Oct 2003, Ernie Schroder wrote: On Sunday 12 October 2003 03:06 pm, Scharf Yuval wrote: Agter emerging the new portage I got a message saying ... Please do so and then update ALL of your configuration files. Only two files in /etc have a new version. Do I need to do something else beside merging those two files? Thanks, Yuval Scharf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list I would guess that the 2 files are /etc/make.conf and /etc/make.globals. I wouldn't worry about make.globals. Just accept the changes, BUT be careful with make.conf. Accepting the new file will remove all alterations you've made to the file, effectivly breaking portage. Just to be on the safe side, back up /etc/make.conf somewhere safe before doing etc-update. -- Regards, Ernie 100% Microsoft and Intel free -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Can insert ppp_generic module into linux 2.6.0-test6-mm1
Hi, dmesg shows: PPP generic driver version 2.4.2 devfs_mk_cdev: could not append to parent for ppp failed to register PPP device (-17) Can someone tell me what the problem is or atlaest give me a direction for investigation? Thanks, Yuval Scharf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] emerge mplayer fails
yuval_scharf root # emerge -v mplayer Calculating dependencies ...done! emerge (1 of 1) media-video/mplayer-0.92 to / Downloading http://gentoo.oregonstate.edu/distfiles/font-arial-iso-8859-2.tar.bz2 --18:33:02-- http://gentoo.oregonstate.edu/distfiles/font-arial-iso-8859-2.tar.bz2 = `/usr/portage/distfiles/font-arial-iso-8859-2.tar.bz2' Resolving gentoo.oregonstate.edu... done. Connecting to gentoo.oregonstate.edu[128.193.0.3]:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 222,208 [application/x-tar] 100%[] 222,208 54.50K/sETA 00:00 18:33:07 (54.50 KB/s) - `/usr/portage/distfiles/font-arial-iso-8859-2.tar.bz2' saved [08/08] Resuming download... Downloading http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo/distfiles/font-arial-iso-8859-2.tar.bz2 --18:33:07-- http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo/distfiles/font-arial-iso-8859-2.tar.bz2 = `/usr/portage/distfiles/font-arial-iso-8859-2.tar.bz2' Resolving distro.ibiblio.org... done. Connecting to distro.ibiblio.org[152.2.210.109]:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found Continued download failed on this file, which conflicts with `-c'. Refusing to truncate existing file `/usr/portage/distfiles/font-arial-iso-8859-2.tar.bz2'. Resuming download... Downloading http://mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/fonts/font-arial-iso-8859-2.tar.bz2 --18:33:07-- http://mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/fonts/font-arial-iso-8859-2.tar.bz2 = `/usr/portage/distfiles/font-arial-iso-8859-2.tar.bz2' Resolving mplayerhq.hu... done. Connecting to mplayerhq.hu[192.190.173.45]:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 416 Requested Range Not Satisfiable The file is already fully retrieved; nothing to do. !!! Couldn't download font-arial-iso-8859-2.tar.bz2. Aborting. Yuval Scharf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge mplayer fails
Thanks, It worked. Yuval Scharf On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Karl Huysmans wrote: Had the same with both 0.92 and 1.0_pre1-r1. I don't know what is happening, maybe an error in the e-build files? Probably a dirty hack, but this is how I got around the problem (for 1.0_pre1): -Manually download the font files (font-arial-iso-8859-1.tar.bz2 and font-arial-iso-8859-2.tar.bz2) from http://mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases -Edit /usr/portage/media-video/mplayer/mplayer-version.ebuild, and remove these lines: http://mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/fonts/font-arial-iso-8859-1.tar.bz2 http://mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/fonts/font-arial-iso-8859-2.tar.bz2 -Emerge, you will see an error about the checksums, edit /usr/portage/media-video/mplayer/files/digest-mplayer-version to correct. -Emerge again, eveything should work fine. Or just wait, the problm will probably be fixed soon. Good Luck! On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 17:29, Scharf Yuval wrote: yuval_scharf root # emerge -v mplayer Calculating dependencies ...done! emerge (1 of 1) media-video/mplayer-0.92 to / Downloading http://gentoo.oregonstate.edu/distfiles/font-arial-iso-8859-2.tar.bz2 --18:33:02--http://gentoo.oregonstate.edu/distfiles/font-arial-iso-8859-2.tar.bz2 = `/usr/portage/distfiles/font-arial-iso-8859-2.tar.bz2' Resolving gentoo.oregonstate.edu... done. Connecting to gentoo.oregonstate.edu[128.193.0.3]:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 222,208 [application/x-tar] 100%[] 222,208 54.50K/sETA 00:00 18:33:07 (54.50 KB/s) - `/usr/portage/distfiles/font-arial-iso-8859-2.tar.bz2' saved [08/08] Resuming download... Downloading http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo/distfiles/font-arial-iso-8859-2.tar.bz2 --18:33:07--http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo/distfiles/font-arial-iso-8859-2.tar.bz2 = `/usr/portage/distfiles/font-arial-iso-8859-2.tar.bz2' Resolving distro.ibiblio.org... done. Connecting to distro.ibiblio.org[152.2.210.109]:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found Continued download failed on this file, which conflicts with `-c'. Refusing to truncate existing file `/usr/portage/distfiles/font-arial-iso-8859-2.tar.bz2'. Resuming download... Downloading http://mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/fonts/font-arial-iso-8859-2.tar.bz2 --18:33:07--http://mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/fonts/font-arial-iso-8859-2.tar.bz2 = `/usr/portage/distfiles/font-arial-iso-8859-2.tar.bz2' Resolving mplayerhq.hu... done. Connecting to mplayerhq.hu[192.190.173.45]:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 416 Requested Range Not Satisfiable The file is already fully retrieved; nothing to do. !!! Couldn't download font-arial-iso-8859-2.tar.bz2. Aborting. Yuval Scharf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Telling Portage that a package is installed
Hello, I want to upgrade kde from 3.1.3 to 3.1.4 on a mchine running kernel 2.6. Kde depende on alsa-driver which failes to build. But I don't need ALSA because I have it in the kernel. How do I tell Portage that he doesn't have to emerge alsa-drivers? Thanks, Yuval Scharf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Telling Portage that a package is installed
Hi, I do have mm-sources on that machine and still KDE asked for alsa-driver. Yuval Scharf On Sat, 27 Sep 2003, Andrei Ivanov wrote: The latest development-sources and mm-sources provide virtual/alsa. Emerge one of them, and you'll be fine... On Sat, 27 Sep 2003, Scharf Yuval wrote: Hello, I want to upgrade kde from 3.1.3 to 3.1.4 on a mchine running kernel 2.6. Kde depende on alsa-driver which failes to build. But I don't need ALSA because I have it in the kernel. How do I tell Portage that he doesn't have to emerge alsa-drivers? Thanks, Yuval Scharf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Telling Portage that a package is installed
If I use ALSA don't I want my ebuilds to be aware of it? Yuval Scharf On Sat, 27 Sep 2003, Andrew Jennings wrote: Hi, I do have mm-sources on that machine and still KDE asked for alsa-driver. Yuval Scharf You have alsa in your USE flags. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] installing fans (was: strange informations from lm-sensors)
Hi, Does you boxes really give you all this flexibility? I look at my box and see no place to add fans. Does it in mean that my box is a very cheap one? Happy new year, Yuval Scharf On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However you do it, you will want to have an air-flow that goes _through_ your box, traditionally _from_ the front side _to_ the back side. Do _not_ take in air at the same side as you blow out warm air since that will increase the risk of bringing in already heated air, whereas you want to bring in air as cold as possible. You will also want to, if ever possible, bring in air lower down on your box and blow it out higher up, since warm air raises. Biker mathieu perrenoud [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ch cc: (bcc: Gustav Schaffter/CDS/CG/CAPITAL) Subject: [gentoo-user] installing fans (was: strange informations from lm-sensors) 26-09-2003 14:26 Please respond to gentoo-user After my yesterday's thread, I decided to buy one fan. WhenI saw the price, I buyed two instead. But now, I don't know how to place them in the case. The boxes of the fans says that I should place them at the rear of the case and make sure they pull air from the inside toward the outside. Yesterday, you told me that it could be better to pull air inside and the guy at the shop told me that on his own box he had a fan in front pulling air inside and one at the rear blowing air outside. I'm at a complete loss here. Should I follow box's instructions? orthe guy's advice. I think I'll first try with one in the front and one in the back. If it's stupid or even dangerous, any quick warning would be greatly appreciated. -- mathieu -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Error while building lm-sensors
Hi emerge -v lm-sensors !!! ERROR: sys-apps/lm-sensors-2.7.0-r1 failed. !!! Function src_compile, Line 45, Exitcode 2 !!! lm_sensors requires the source of a compatible kernel\nversion installed in /usr/src/linux and =i2c-2.7.0 support built as a modules this support is included in gentoo-sources as of 2.4.20-r1 emerge -v i2c !!! ERROR: sys-apps/i2c-2.7.0 failed. !!! Function src_compile, Line 18, Exitcode 2 !!! i2c requires the source of a compatible kernel\nversion installed in /usr/src/linux\nand kernel i2c *disabled* or *enabled as a module* uname -a Linux yuval_scharf 2.4.20-gentoo-r6 #1 Wed Sep 17 22:54:18 IDT 2003 i686 Pentium III (Coppermine) GenuineIntel GNU/Linux Can some one tell me what the problem is? Thanks, Yuval Scharf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Compiling on SMP machine?
What is metallic paint mod? Yuval Scharf On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Dan McCombs wrote: On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 16:13, Tom Wesley wrote: On Wednesday 24 September 2003 20:39, Rick [Kitty5] wrote: Thought about modding some XP's but didn't feel brave enough, metallic paint would make it tricky to RMA them should I need to. Very happy with it actually, makes for a kicking workstation. Cannot see me going back to a single CPU machine ever again. I second that.I have a pair of 2400 MP's (also too scared for metalic paint).I also have fans due to the expense of liquid cooling - my tower hovers about 2 inches off the ground :-) I have dual 1700 XP's with the metallic paint mod on a tyan mpx motherboard, works like a charm :) -Dan -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Sound Blaster 5.1 from DELL
Hi, Can some one tell me where I can find a free driver for this card? I found only a non free driver from 4front. Thanks, Yuval Scharf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] alsa-driver
If you run 2.6 why do you want to build alsa-driver? Yuval Scharf On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, Michael Rasile wrote: On Tue Sep 23, 2003 at 03:10:32PM -0400 or thereabouts, Ernie Schroder wrote: On Tuesday 23 September 2003 03:51 pm, Michael Rasile wrote: On Tue Sep 23, 2003 at 02:20:36PM -0400 or thereabouts, Ernie Schroder wrote: On Tuesday 23 September 2003 03:00 pm, Michael Rasile wrote: Parallel Make Failed A semi-educated guess: Go to your /etc/make.conf and look for the line: MAKEOPTS=-j2. Try changing that to: MAKEOPTS=-j1 And try the emerge again. -- Regards, Ernie 100% Microsoft and Intel free -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list Thanks for the reply. I tried what you said and changed the MAKEOPTS line in make.conf but I still get the same error. I appreciate your suggestion. This is not a major deal, I still am using the emu10k1 driver for my SB Live and I do have sound. I just wanted to see if I could get alsa up and running to give my sound some life. :-) Thanks again. What kernel are you running? I googled up something about the ac sources I could find it again if you need it. -- Regards, Ernie 100% Microsoft and Intel free -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list Ernie, Thanks again. I'm running 2.6test5. So, I'll try the linking solution that was suggested. -- Regards, Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't Fear The Penguin. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] alsa-driver
:-( Apparently you know more than me. Yuval Scharf On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, Mark Knecht wrote: If you run 2.6 why do you want to build alsa-driver? Agreed, alsa-driver is only for 2.4 kernels. 2.5/2.6 have alsa drivers built into the kernel tree. So teach me. The alsa revision shipped with 2.6 is out of date. How doesone get back up to date with what is being released by the Alsa developers? I ask because I have to run my own ebuild of alsa-drivers with a custom patch to make my hardware work. How would I accomplish this with 2.6? Thanks, Mark -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] alsa-driver
You should build it within the kernel not as a separate ebuild. In the sound section you can select alsa support. Yuval Scharf On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, Michael Rasile wrote: On Tue Sep 23, 2003 at 03:10:52PM -0600 or thereabouts, Collins Richey wrote: On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 23:37:48 +0300 (IDT) Scharf Yuval [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you run 2.6 why do you want to build alsa-driver? Agreed,alsa-driver is only for 2.4 kernels. 2.5/2.6 have alsa drivers built into the kernel tree. I was just trying to get better sound. I am currently using the emu10k1 sound module. What do I need to do to be able to use alsa then? Or should I not use alsa? Just curious. Thanks for responding. Mike -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] HDs dying. please save me
Hi, What are the legal values? My result was 39C. Yuval Scharf On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, Sylvain wrote: Le Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:50:45 +0200 mathieu perrenoud [EMAIL PROTECTED] a crit: On Friday 12 September 2003 16:55, Andrew Farmer wrote: You might want to check to see if the problem is the disks overheating. That'd kill all of your disks just like you describe... how do I do that? if your hdds are smart enought, you should be able to check their temperature by emerging app-admin/hddtemp : [EMAIL PROTECTED] sylvain # hddtemp /dev/discs/disc0/disc /dev/discs/disc0/disc: SEAGATE ST318452LW: 28C [EMAIL PROTECTED] sylvain # regards, sylvain -- mathieu -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] which is the package that contains Latex ?
tetex Yuval Scharf On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, raptor wrote: which is the package that contains Latex ? sorry for the stupid question, but I really cant find it?! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] My HD is collapsing
Hello, Every day I get more signs that my HD is collapsing. Tomorrow I'll have to go to the store and buy a new one. So I'll have to copy the old HD to the new HD. I have no time to investigate how to do it properly so I need your help. First question: Can I do it while using the system or do I have to boot from a CD? My current configuration is: yuval_scharf root # /sbin/fdisk -l /dev/hda Disk /dev/hda: 20.0 GB, 20020396032 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 2434 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Device BootStart EndBlocks Id System /dev/hda1 * 1 1244 9992398+ c Win95 FAT32 (LBA) /dev/hda2 1245 2434 95586755 Extended /dev/hda5 1245 2325 8683101 83 Linux /dev/hda6 2326 2434875511 82 Linux swap I'd like to add a boot partition for Linux. What do I need to do in order to keep the Windows ME working? Thanks, Yuval Scharf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] My HD is collapsing
Why would I use tar, Whats wrong with 'cp'? Yuval Scharf On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Holger Kettler wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, First question: Can I do it while using the system or do I have to boot from a CD? You should mount every single partition readonly to get a consistent copy (with tar for example). While using the system, this might not be possible. Cloning with dd don't need mounting the partition at all. (But sizes have to be at least equal) I'd like to add a boot partition for Linux. What do I need to do in order to keep the Windows ME working? I don't know much about windows. Just copying the win-files may not work. You should use dd, to make chainloading work. - -- 0x87D205F6 hkp://pgp.mit.edu#198379 http://counter.li.org You can't prove it won't happen... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/XR6TDNpc/4fSBfYRAnxTAKCG9w48TSRiPPlqZJFxAlHvPq7tuQCgtrZM 4jIo0W9hzUl2BSkqgQActO8= =Rk91 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Vocal chat
Hello, I'm looking for a software that will allow me to have a vocal chat with both Linux users and Windows users (not at the same time). Can you suggest a software to me? Assume that I can ask the Windows user to use what ever software I'll tell him. Thanks, Yuval Scharf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] A problem with sound card
Hello, Please tell me if I'm right when I think that my i810 sound card is not duplex in Linux. Thanks, Yuval Scharf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] A process refuses to die
Hello, How do I kill a process that 'kill' can't kill? Yuval Scharf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] A process refuses to die
I've tried all those things. The father is 'init' so I can't kill it, right? Yuval Scharf On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 00:53:30 +0300 (IDT) Scharf Yuval [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | How do I kill a process that 'kill' can't kill? Try kill -9 processid . Try running it as root if possible. If that doesn't help, try killing the parent process... If that still doesn't work, you may have to reboot... HTH, -- Ciaran McCreesh Mail: ciaranm at firedrop.org.uk Web: www.firedrop.org.uk System: Gentoo Base System version 1.4.3.8p1 Linux 2.6.0-test4 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] A process refuses to die
I'm not sure what you are asking. It is not a zombie. Is father is init. Yuval Scharf On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, Mikhail P. wrote: On Friday 05 September 2003 22:02, Scharf Yuval wrote: I've tried all those things. The father is 'init' so I can't kill it, right? Well, I would not kill init.. Btw, what's the status of process you can't kill? Is it Z? or D? Mikhail. -- I once heard Bill Gates say, WHAT?!?!Netscape caused an invalid page fault!?!Only Microsoft programs have the code to do that! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] A process refuses to die
It's D - uninterruptible sleep Yuval Scharf On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, Mikhail P. wrote: On Friday 05 September 2003 22:02, Scharf Yuval wrote: I've tried all those things. The father is 'init' so I can't kill it, right? Well, I would not kill init.. Btw, what's the status of process you can't kill? Is it Z? or D? Mikhail. -- I once heard Bill Gates say, WHAT?!?!Netscape caused an invalid page fault!?!Only Microsoft programs have the code to do that! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Yahoo messenger
Hello, I've emerged ymessenger (Yahoo Messenger) in order to talk with a friend. But I didn't find any way to start a voice conversation. Does the Linux version has this ability? Yuval Scharf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] CDRW does not read CD's
Hello, When I'm trying to read the CD's that I've just burned the CD-RWs LED just blinks for a long time and after that if I try to mount I get: /dev/cdroms/cdrom1: Input/output error mount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified This is not a problem with the media because my CDROM can mount those CD's with no problem. It is not a device problem because the device can mount CD's that I've burned in the past. What I think is that when I installed Gentoo and K3B (the burning software) something changed in its defaults causing the drive to be unable to read it. Is there a way to ask the drive why it can't read a media? Thanks, Yuval Scharf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Sounds from mouse.... Is it possible
Hello, Dmitry, You want a mouse that makes sounds, I have one here. I'm trying to catch him for three days. When I'll catch him I'll send him to you :-) Yuval Scharf On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Dmitry Suzdalev wrote: Hello, list! I'm here with maybe a silly question. :) I just wanted to know is it possible to have configure X or install some program that will make noise (taken for example from wav file) every time I click my mouse. Not on some special event (like opening menu somewhere or iconifying a window etc), but when I click in *any* portion of the screen. Why do I need this? Well, I just want to hear my clicks from my speakers. Don't ask me why I want it :). I don't know :-]. Dmitry. -- WinErr: 678 This was the last level in Windows. Do you want to play another game? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] mount: special device /dev/croms/crom0 does notexist
Hi, Try to go over the output of dmesg and see what it says about your cd-rom. Did it identified it? and as what? I think that maybe you don't have a problem with devfs but the kernel is not aware of the cd-rom. Yuval Scharf On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Redmond Militante wrote: hi thanks for responding mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom doesn't work. same error ps aux | grep devfs gives me root 36 0.0 0.7 1988 952 /sbin/devfsd /dev so, devfs is running... i've tried reinstalling a couple of times, and enabling a bunchof kernel options.which kernel options do i need to enable to get cd's to mount? thanks redmond [Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 08:10:24PM +0200] This one time, at band camp, Kenneth Macdonald Karlsen said: Redmond Militante wrote: hi all after installing 1.4 on a black newworld g3 powerbook/400mhz/128mb ram/6 gb hdd using livecd-g3-grp-1.4-cd1 iso image burned to a cdrom, i am able to reboot into gentoo successfully, but i am having trouble mounting livecd-ppc-grp-1.4-cd2 disk. i enter 'mount /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 /mnt/cdrom -o ro -t iso9660', and receive the error msg 'ount: special device /dev/croms/crom0 does not exist'. this is my first install - i've been following the gentoo-ppc installation instructions on this website. i've gone back and tried to recompile extra file system-related features into my kernel. i still receive the error message. any advice would be appreciated thanks try mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom if this doesnt sucess then check if devfs is running: ps aux | grep devfs this will show you where it is mounted if running, check if your drivers is loaded for the cdrom, scsi or ide-scsi etc. Im no expert but you can try this. Kenneth -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- FreeBSD 5.1-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD 5.1-RELEASE-p2 #0: Mon Aug 11 13:00:11 CDT 2003 2:15PMup 11 days, 13:59, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Gimmie That Old Time Religion We will follow Zarathustra, We will worship like the Druids, Zarathustra like we use to, Dancing naked in the woods, I'm a Zarathustra booster,Drinking strange fermented fluids, And he's good enough for me! And it's good enough for me! (chorus)(chorus) In the church of Aphrodite, The priestess wears a see-through nightie, She's a mighty righteous sightie, And she's good enough for me! (chorus) CHORUS: Give me that old time religion, Give me that old time religion, Give me that old time religion, 'Cause it's good enough for me! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Strange behaviour of CD-ROM.
Hello, I have a strange problem. When I play a music CD in my CD-ROM every now and then (but quiet a lot) My CD-ROM stops playing and my HD start working as mad. This can take between one second and 4 seconds. I don't think that the HD is really used then. I don't understand what is the problem. Correct me if I'm wrong by CD playing is done by ordering the CD-ROM to send date to the sound card. My HD is hda and my CD-ROM is hdc. I also have a CD-burner as hdd but it is not working while I listen to music. Is it a hardware problem? It is a kernel problem? I'm not sure but until two weeks I had Mandrake and I don't think I had that problem then. Although I don't use the computer for listening to music so much. It has nothing to do with quality of the media because it happened with both burned and purchased CDs. Thanks, Yuval Scharf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Strange behaviour of CD-ROM.
Hello, DMA is enabled. I've just checked again that it is connected to the sound card. Yuval Scharf On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 10:38:20PM +0300, Scharf Yuval wrote: Hello, I have a strange problem. When I play a music CD in my CD-ROM every now and then (but quiet a lot) My CD-ROM stops playing and my HD start working as mad. This can take between one second and 4 seconds. I don't think that the HD is really used then. I don't understand what is the problem. Correct me if I'm wrong by CD playing is done by ordering the CD-ROM to send date to the sound card. My HD is hda and my CD-ROM is hdc. I also have a CD-burner as hdd but it is not working while I listen to music. Is it a hardware problem? It is a kernel problem? I'm not sure but until two weeks I had Mandrake and I don't think I had that problem then. Although I don't use the computer for listening to music so much. It has nothing to do with quality of the media because it happened with both burned and purchased CDs. Thanks, Yuval Scharf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list Make sure that DMA is enabled on all your drives: su emerge hdparm hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda # turn dma on (hard disk) hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdc # turn dma on (cd) Also, make sure that the audio from your drive is being sent through the audio cable (to your sound card), opposed to the IDE interface. steve -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Strange behaviour of CD-ROM.
No, I think that it happeneds even in the case when the computer is doing almost nothing. Yuval Scharf On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Andrew Gaffney wrote: Scharf Yuval wrote: DMA is enabled. I've just checked again that it is connected to the sound card. Are you low on memory? It could be that the HD activity is the system doing a lot of memory swapping. Everything freezes for a second when there is heavy swapping. -- Andrew Gaffney -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Strange behaviour of CD-ROM.
Hello, 1. It has nothing to do with another mm application because It also happeneds when I use cdplay in the console (before starting X). 2. When Steve asked me to check if the CD-ROM is actually connected to the sound card I connected the CD-RW to the sound card too. The problem occur with this drive too.. 3. Last, I tried to check with my Windows ME. and it happened too. The CD-RW is quiet new. Is it possible that some how even though the second device doesn't work they confuse each other? Although it happeneds in Windows too I don't think that there is a problem with the devices themselves. Yuval Scharf On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Tom Wesley wrote: On Friday 22 August 2003 21:42, Andrew Gaffney wrote: Scharf Yuval wrote: DMA is enabled. I've just checked again that it is connected to the sound card. Are you low on memory? It could be that the HD activity is the system doing a lot of memory swapping. Everything freezes for a second when there is heavy swapping. Is is possible there is a mm app trying to grab the attention of the sound card?Maybe arts, esd or such? Have to admit to be guessing, because I believe youare correct in what you say.The cd player should say Please send this cd along that cable to the sound card. and it happen without much 'thought'. -- Tom Wesley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] A beginner question about USE
Hello, If I write USE=kde in /etc/make.conf it means that if I emerge a package with KDE optional KDE support the support should be installed. If I don't add kde to USE it means that I'm indifferent to kde so I don't need the optional support. Correct? But what does USE=-kde means I found one sentence about it in the documentation and I can't understand the difference between -kde and not writing kde. Similarly, If a package has `kde` in it, it has optional support and if it doesn't have `kde` in it, it is indifferent to KDE. But what does `-kde` in a package means. I use the term kde in a package to refer to the answer I get from emerge -pv package Thanks, Yuval Scharf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] A beginner question about USE
Hello Adam, I think that in the last part of your e-mail you wrote something wrong. I found out (please correct me if I'm wrong) that emerge -pv package gives you the status of your USE words that the package cares about. Apparently this status is gathered in for different places. Yuval Scharf On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Adam Scriven wrote: On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 09:51:59PM +0300, Scharf Yuval wrote: If I write USE=kde in /etc/make.conf it means that if I emerge a package with KDE optional KDE support the support should be installed. Correct. If I don't add kde to USE it means that I'm indifferent to kde so I don't need the optional support. Correct? No. Not having kde in your USE means you are accepting the defaults, whether that be ON or OFF. But what does USE=-kde means I found one sentence about it in the documentation and I can't understand the difference between -kde and not writing kde. Putting -kde means you are explicitly stating you DO NOT want KDE support, no matter what the default is. That is how Gentoo gets around people changing the make.defaults file, which is where these defaults are stored. Similarly, If a package has `kde` in it, it has optional support and if it doesn't have `kde` in it, it is indifferent to KDE. But what does `-kde` in a package means. I use the term kde in a package to refer to the answer I get from emerge -pv package I'm not 100% sure about this, I believe it's the same thing as the USE flags, just for packages specifically and not for the entire system. So, you could want KDE generally, but NOT for a specific package, so when you emerge that specific package you USE=-kde emerge Package first. I think.I'm pretty new to this Gentoo stuff myself, but I think I'm slowly getting the hang of it. Hope this helps(and I'm right!) Adam -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How to install NPTL v0.55?
Hello, Can someone describe in a few sentences why it is so dangerous to install a newer version of glibc. And also what is the gain from getting NPTL? Do you think it improves performance very much? When is it suppose to be part of the stable version? Thanks, Yuval Scharf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] IDE bus speed
Hello, Can someone explain to me the following log messages from the kernel: ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx ICH2: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev f9 ICH2: chipset revision 2 ICH2: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later ide0: BM-DMA at 0xff00-0xff07, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio ide1: BM-DMA at 0xff08-0xff0f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:DMA hda: 39102336 sectors (20020 MB) w/512KiB Cache, CHS=2434/255/63, UDMA(100) Using `hdparm -t /dev/hda5` I get ~27MB/s. Does it mean that my bus holds back my HD. Shouldn't I get 100MB/s? Can I do something to improve performance. Thanks, Yuval Scharf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] IDE bus speed
Hello, I don't understand your answer Nicolas. Because My bus is 33MHz I get 27MB/s. I understand that. What I'm asking is if the UDMA(100) means that the HD is capable of 100MB/s and the bus holds it back. Does it mean that with a newer motherboard my HD will work much faster? Yuval Scharf On Tue, 19 Aug 2003, Nicolas STURMEL wrote: Scharf Yuval wrote: Hello, Can someone explain to me the following log messages from the kernel: ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx ICH2: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev f9 ICH2: chipset revision 2 ICH2: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later ide0: BM-DMA at 0xff00-0xff07, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio ide1: BM-DMA at 0xff08-0xff0f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:DMA hda: 39102336 sectors (20020 MB) w/512KiB Cache, CHS=2434/255/63, UDMA(100) Using `hdparm -t /dev/hda5` I get ~27MB/s. Does it mean that my bus holds back my HD. Shouldn't I get 100MB/s? Can I do something to improve performance. What a 'hdparm' day ;-) Just read the manual pageof hdparm and you will see that the '-t' flag only gives your _Hard Drive_ speed. And a 27MB/s data rate is quite corect for an IDE Hard Drive. My latest Seagate Barracuda is given at 55MB/s, and my old Baracuda IV 80GB is given at 30MB/s. In fact, i do not think that hdparm can easily reach the theorical IDE bus speed, as the '-T' flag ( the second of the only two bench flags I know ) gives system mem-buffer I/O speed. -- Nicolas -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] IDE bus speed
I get between 27MB/s and 30MB/s Yuval Scharf On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I don't understand your answer Nicolas. Because My bus is 33MHz I get 27MB/s. I understand that. What I'm asking is if the UDMA(100) means that the HD is capable of 100MB/s and the bus holds it back. Does it mean that with anewer motherboard my HD will work much faster? Yuval Scharf That's not what it means. Read the Kernel message carefully: ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with That only applies to PIO modes, not DMA modes.Your hard drive had is operating in DMA mode: ide0: BM-DMA at 0xff00-0xff07, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio If you turn on all the safe optimizations for your drive as such: hdparm -c1 -d1 -m16 -u1 -A1 -a64 and then test it, whatdo you get?That's about the most you'll squeeze out of it.And there's no way you are ever going to see 100MB/s out of a single IDE drive, it's just a sales tool.If you get even 50MB/sec off of UDMA100, you're doing quite well... HTH, -- Jason Santos -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] IDE bus speed
Nicolas, If you are reffering to hdb you are wrong because there is no device there. So, If I sum up your answers then my HD is capable of 30MB/s. The UDMA(100) is a sales persons trick. My bus is 33Mhz and it is not holding back my HD. So, If I like to buy a new motherboard and a new HD, what should I buy? Assume that I would like to get the best a person might expect from a home computer. Yuval Scharf On Tue, 19 Aug 2003, Nicolas STURMEL wrote: Rex Young wrote: I think that you're stuck on the 33MHz.Don't be. I believe that they all operate at 33MHz where they are UDMA 100, UDMA 133, etc.33MHz is the speed that this bus operates at. I think you are wrong too :-P The size of the IDE bus ( 16 bits ) didn't change since quitte a while, the only trick they found to increase data rate is to increase the bus frequecy as well. but something interessant is that on Yuval's system hda is on the same bus as a pio interface ( CDROM, Tape... ). And that _must be the reason_ of a slighty slower hard drive. In that way, this bus is maybe blocked at UDMA33 becaus e of the presence of an ATAPI interface. I have a single advice : *never mix HD ans ATAPI devices on a same bus* -- Nicolas -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
