Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?

2003-10-21 Thread drewbian
On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 21:47, Eric Livingston wrote:
> I'm curious regarding the penetration of linux as a comprehensive solution
> for all computing tasks in a normal day. i.e. what percentage of Linux users
> are 100% linux, or even 100% Gentoo for that matter.
> 
> I know a couple of folks who are 100% linux, but the circumstances seem
> rare - i.e. they are server admins in small shops that use Red Hat for
> server work, they don't have to deal with user desktops (which are windows,
> but handled by somebody else), and they use only linux at home (they aren't
> avid gamers, either, so the few linux titles available are sufficient). But
> that particular combination can't be that common, can it?
> 
> I, for instance, run three Gentoo boxes at home, including my server and a
> desktop-configured "play" box. However, the vast majority of my time is
> spent on my XP-based company notebook computer (that also has Gentoo in a
> VMWare virtual machine). My work environment is a hodgepodge of stuff,
> including Windows, Solaris, Linux, and even a couple of Mac X's. We're a
> software development firm so we have to keep a lot of stuff kicking around
> to accomodate clients.
> 
> Also, I'm an avid gamer, and thus at this point I must have Windows to play
> the various games I enjoy.
> 
> So, I'm a long, long way from a day where I could get by touching nothing
> but Linux day in and day out. It would be fair to say, even, that my
> "default" environment is Windows. How about you all?
> 
> Eric
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Gentoo at home Debian at work, though I do run M$ word via cxoffice to
use company templates for documents :/

As for games I mainly stick to mame (xmame-gl) and occasionally warcraft
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Re: [gentoo-user] Gaim & MSN

2003-10-13 Thread drewbian
Looks like Microsoft is set to break third party clients real soon
anyhows
http://gaim.sourceforge.net/msn.php


On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 18:29, SMS WebMaster wrote:
> I am in Saudi Arabia and I can't login to MSN by Gaim like you
> 
> The problem is from Gaim because I can login with Kmess
> 
> The message error is : "Error reading from server"
> 
> 
> Patrick Marquetecken wrote:
> > I can't also login with Gaim here in Belgium
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 23:11, SMS WebMaster wrote:
> > 
> >>Hi
> >>
> >>Did anyone able to login MSN by Gaim in the past 4 days ?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Switching from WM

2003-10-11 Thread drewbian
On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 22:08, Patrick Marquetecken wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm installing at this moment xfce4, but my question is how do I switch
> from gnome to xfce ?
> 
> Patrick

if your using a console login you can just type startxfce4 
cheers
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Re: [gentoo-user] basic Gentoo CD doesn't boot

2003-08-31 Thread drewbian
On Sun, 2003-08-31 at 17:36, Dave Naylor wrote:
> On Sunday 31 Aug 2003 8:25 am, Andrew Farmer wrote:
> 
> > At 30 August, 2003 Nick Van Vlaenderen wrote:
> 
> > > Is there something more terrible then a dialup connection?
> 
> > No connection?
> 
> Celine Dion?

Celine Dion streamed over a dialup connection?


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Re: [gentoo-user] vmware wtf!???

2003-08-30 Thread drewbian
On Sat, 2003-08-30 at 19:11, Norberto BENSA wrote:
> Larry Augschöll wrote:
> > try this:
> > rc-update add vmware default
> >
> > this should load the vmware modules at start up
> >
> 
> H 
> 
> 02:47:13 up 3 days,  2:39,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.14, 0.45
>  ^
> 
> Does that tell you something? Like I don't "restart" that often? :-)
> 
> Anyway. I _know_ how to load modules thru modprobe/insmod, the thing is vmware 
> 4.0.1 seems broken or something 'cos after creating a virtual machine, any 
> attempt to run it will crash vmware. Dunno, I guess I'll build a new box from 
> spare pieces.
> 
strange, I've been using Vmware 4.0.1 (build-5289) on Gentoo and it
works fine..

cheers
drewbian

> Thanks for your reply!
> 
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Re: [gentoo-user] vmware wtf!???

2003-08-30 Thread drewbian
On Sat, 2003-08-30 at 15:53, Norberto BENSA wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> anyone using vmware? All I get is this all the time (I can't use vmware)
> 
>   VMware Workstation Error:
>   Could not open /dev/vmmon: No such device or address.
>   Please make sure that the kernel module `vmmon' is loaded.
> 
>   Press "Enter" to continue...
> 
> 
> vmmon|devfsd doesn't create /dev/vmmon. I think it is 
> 
>   mknod /dev/vmmon b 165 10
> 
> But it doesn't work either.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Norberto

Howdy,
I had a similar problem but a quick search of the gentoo forums had the
answer. From memory I had to run the vmware-config.pl then remove the
file /etc/vmware/not_configured (or somethin like that).

cheers
Drewbian


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Re: [gentoo-user] Deleting /var/tmp/portage/*

2003-08-24 Thread drewbian
On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 17:34, Scott Jones wrote:
> On 03:02 Sun 24 Aug, Lloyd I Freese Jr wrote:
> > On Sunday 24 August 2003 02:56 am, Dmitry Suzdalev wrote:
> > > Hello gentooers!
> > >
> > > A short question: Is it safe to wipe out contents of /var/tmp/portage
> > > directory?
> > >
> > > Quick searching in docs didnt give me an answer (perhaps that's because I'm
> > > too sleepy now).
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance for answers.
> > >
> > > Dmitry.
> > 
> > 
> > Don't really know if it's offically okay but I've done it before without 
> > anything blowing up. YMMV though
> > -- 
> > "It's not easy being green. It takes way more food coloring than you'd think."
> 
> I did this rm -rf /var/tmp/portage* today and i got rid of like 15 gigs of stuff 
> because of some setting in my make.conf (keepwrk,keeptemp, noclean)
> 
 
Just a thought but if your typings anything like mine it's prolly safer
to do

rm /var/tmp/portage* -rf

I have reoccuring nightmares about hitting enter after typing the first 
rm -rf / bit 

;)
cheers
drewbian


> I think it is safe rac told me how to do it on IRC
> 
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Re: [gentoo-user] IceWm config program

2003-08-22 Thread drewbian
On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 13:32, Jonathan Kelly wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> I was looking to install the gui IceWm configur programs icecc and
> icewm-tools. It seems to be missing "icepref" but that seems to have
> disappeared. The only thing I can find is icepref2, but there is no
> ebuild. Any IceWm users, am I missing something, or is this a new
> development?
> 
> cheers,
> Jonathan.
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Hi, 
I'm pretty sure that this package should do what you want

  x11-misc/icewm-tools
  Latest version available: 2.4.1
  Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ]
  Size of downloaded files: 0 kB
  Homepage:http://icecc.sourceforge.net/
  Description: Convenience package for IceWM control center  and
tools

Cheers
drewbian



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Re: [gentoo-user] X forwarding

2003-08-14 Thread drewbian
On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 07:48, Pupeno wrote:
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> Hello Gentoo users
> I'm ssh from my computer (A) to another computer (B) and I want to run an X 
> application on B be displayed on A. I enabled X Forwarding but when I run the 
> application I get the following error:
> _X11TransSocketOpen: socket() failed for tcp
> _X11TransSocketOpenCOTSClient: Unable to open socket for tcp
> _X11TransOpen: transport open failed for tcp/localhost:10
> lt-mplayerrawtest: cannot connect to X server localhost:10.0
> Any idea ?
> Thanks.
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Hiya,

check out the man page for xhost, that may help

cheers
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Re: [gentoo-user] gthumb issues

2003-08-07 Thread drewbian
Hi, 

Not exactly a fix but I have found gqview to be a suitable alternative
to gthumb.

drewbian

On Fri, 2003-08-08 at 07:16, Jason A. Pfeil wrote:
> Is anyone else having issues with gthumb?  No matter what I try, gthumb 
> refuses to show its image preview window.  I have the preference selected 
> and the window layout set up to show it but it never shows.
> 
> Has anyone else experienced this?  Is this an issue with the gentoo ebuild 
> for gthumb?
> 
> I've got gthumb-2.1.1.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge error

2003-08-04 Thread drewbian
On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 22:05:53 -0700 (PDT)
Stephen Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> hey im having trouble, ive been rsyncing for 3-4 days now and still come
> up with a bad perl package which seems to stop me from updating, :( ive
> run this box for quite some time so not sure if that matters anyways i
> attatched the output if you need one where i also try to emerge -U let me
> know, thanks for any help you can give! great distro!
> 
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The fix for this was covered in the previous? Gentoo weekly news letter - should be an 
archive of them on the gentoo site. 

cheers
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Re: [gentoo-user] Background in gnome...

2003-07-14 Thread drewbian
On Mon, 2003-07-14 at 22:49, Budd, Tracy wrote:
> I set the background image from the "background" option in the main menu. If
> I restart gnome, first the new background comes up, then a blank desktop
> comes up on top of the background image. If I use the "background" app
> again, and select the drop down list that selects gradients for the desktop,
> the image pops up again. The image also comes up if I use nautilus. Any
> ideas how to fix this? BTW, I would like the background image to come up and
> stay up.
> TIA
> -Tracy
> 
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g'day,

I remember this behaviour back when I was using gnome-session. iirc when
I unticked draw_background in gconf-editor (/desktop/background) it
fixed it somewhat, never know, might be worth a shot.

cheers
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Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo cursors

2003-07-09 Thread drewbian
On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 19:14, Meka[ni] wrote:
>   How can I use those files placed in /usr/share/cursors/xfree? And how and 
> where to find and install themes for X? Thanx :o)

Hi,
I just have this file

~/.icons/default/index.theme

and it looks like this

[Icon Theme]
Inherits=maccursors

you would then just change maccursers to the theme of your choice and
restart X. There are a small number of cursor themes at
http://themedepot.org (where I got my current theme of choice
maccursors..) 

hope this helps

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Re: [gentoo-user] Getting back to the comand line

2003-07-05 Thread drewbian
On Sun, 2003-07-06 at 03:01, Miguel M. wrote:
> Hey everyone
> 
> I was trying to find out what NIC card I was using ( i
> really know just wanted to make sure) for it can load
> the module at boot time. Well something happened and
> then instead of getting:
> 
> cdimage linux #
> 
> I get:
> 
> >
> 
> and I cant get out of it. What does this little arrow
> thing mean? Tried everything I knew to get back but no
> luck. I was almost done with the installation and
> boom. Had to reset the computer... 3v1|!! Well thxs
> for your time.
> 
> =
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when that happens pressing the ctrl+c keys should get you back to a
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Re: [gentoo-user] making an ebuild - version naming question

2003-07-05 Thread drewbian
On Sat, 2003-07-05 at 17:48, donnie berkholz wrote:
> > Cool, thats the naming convention solved, but now ${P} becomes
> > ctwm-3.7_alpha4 and the package I want to d/l and build is
> > ctwm-3.7-alpha4.tar.gz
> >
> > Is there a way to set the ${P} so it will d/l ctwm-3.7-alpha4.tar.gz and
> > build it or should I just place ctwm-3.7-alpha4 whereever ${P} is
> > defined?
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] portage $ find /usr/portage/ -name *_alpha*.ebuild | xargs
> grep SRC_URI
> 
> Take a look at how they do it. It's a little odd, but you'll figure it out.
> 
> 
> 

Thanks for that, I'll certainly give it a try ;)

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[gentoo-user] making an ebuild - version naming question

2003-07-05 Thread drewbian
Hi all,

I've just been mucking around with making ebuilds (ebuilds are cool)
with some small sucesses (windowlab-1.10 went okay)  but I have run into
a problem with the CTWM window manager.. The version I want to ebuild is
ctwm-3.7-alpha4 and I'm just wandering how I would version the ebuild?
so far the only way I have managed to get it to work is by calling the
ebuild ctwm-3.7-r1.ebuild and placing -alpha4 after ${P} within the
ebuild file e.g.

SRC_URI="http://ctwm.free.lp.se/preview/${P}-alpha4.tar.gz";

and so on

I've been to the fine http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-howto.xml but
I'm still a little confused on how to go about it..

Help greatly appreciated

cheers 
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Re: [gentoo-user] The age old (CFLAGS) question..

2003-07-03 Thread drewbian
Owen Gunden wrote:

Did you read this yet?

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=5717&highlight=cflags+central

 

Most certainly, I had mentioned in my origional email as the basis for 
my confusion as it contains a number of conflicting posts.

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Re: [gentoo-user] The age old (CFLAGS) question..

2003-07-03 Thread drewbian
On Thu, 2003-07-03 at 18:28, Eric Ball wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 12:42 pm, drewbian wrote to gentoo-user:
> 
> > > After looking through the huge array of optimizations people have posted
> > > on the discussion forum's I'm rather confused as to what the hey to put
> > > in there. Particularly as most posters seem to use Pent 4's or Athlon
> > > XP's,
> > >
> > > Also would -march=athlon be the most suitable for a Duron 1.3?
> 
> I understand that Morgan-core Durons (the >1GHz ones I believe) are just 
> Athlon-XP's with less cache, so you can use -march=athlon-xp which will be 
> (slightly) faster.
> 
> My CFLAGS for an Athlon XP 1800+ are:
> 
> CFLAGS="-march=athlon-xp -O3 -pipe -mcpu=athlon-xp -m3dnow -mmmx -msse 
> -mfpmath=sse,387 -finline-functions -fmerge-all-constants -fthread-jumps 
> -fomit-frame-pointer -fexpensive-optimizations -ffast-math -fforce-addr 
> -falign-functions=64 -falign-jumps=4 -falign-loops=4 -frerun-cse-after-loop 
> -frerun-loop-opt -fprefetch-loop-arrays -maccumulate-outgoing-args"
> 
> Which contains some duplications but _seems_ to work perfectly. Note this will 
> probably make people cry "Are you crazy and/or stupid!?" and developers will 
> likely refuse to do troubleshooting on any problems you may have.
> 
> -Eric
Thanks for replying,

Man, that's a lot of cflags ;) I"m going to try err toward the
conservative but this will give me lots to muck around with.

The -march=athlon-xp bit is particularly interesting. I only had
-mach=athlon in make.conf before.

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Re: [gentoo-user] The age old (CFLAGS) question..

2003-07-03 Thread drewbian
On Thu, 2003-07-03 at 17:42, MAL wrote:
> drewbian wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > Any one here have a nice stable yet fast CFLAGS=" " section suitable for
> > a duron 1.3ghz they could possibly paste? (pretty big ask I know ;))
> 
> CFLAGS="-march=athlon -O3 -pipe"
> ... is safe and fast.
> Don't forget to set CXXFLAGS to equal CFLAGS.
> 
> Then:
> man gcc
> 
> and go to:
> http://www.freehackers.org/gentoo/gccflags/flag_gcc3.html
> 
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Nice link, exactly what I was looking for thx. 


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Re: [gentoo-user] The age old (CFLAGS) question..

2003-07-03 Thread drewbian
sorry I should have had a more descriptive subject..
Hi all,
> 
> Any one here have a nice stable yet fast CFLAGS=" " section suitable for
> a duron 1.3ghz they could possibly paste? (pretty big ask I know ;))
> 
> After looking through the huge array of optimizations people have posted
> on the discussion forum's I'm rather confused as to what the hey to put
> in there. Particularly as most posters seem to use Pent 4's or Athlon
> XP's, 
> 
> Also would -march=athlon be the most suitable for a Duron 1.3?
> 
> heres the output of cat /proc/cpu
> 
> processor   : 0
> vendor_id   : AuthenticAMD
> cpu family  : 6
> model   : 7
> model name  : AMD Duron(tm) Processor 
> stepping: 1
> cpu MHz : 1313.066
> cache size  : 64 KB
> fdiv_bug: no
> hlt_bug : no
> f00f_bug: no
> coma_bug: no
> fpu : yes
> fpu_exception   : yes
> cpuid level : 1
> wp  : yes
> flags   : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca
> cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow
> bogomips: 2614.88
> 
> Hopefully someone will put us gentoo noobs out of our misery and write
> up a definiative guide one of these days ;) *crosses fingers*



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[gentoo-user] The age old question..

2003-07-02 Thread drewbian
Hi all,

Any one here have a nice stable yet fast CFLAGS=" " section suitable for
a duron 1.3ghz they could possibly paste? (pretty big ask I know ;))

After looking through the huge array of optimizations people have posted
on the discussion forum's I'm rather confused as to what the hey to put
in there. Particularly as most posters seem to use Pent 4's or Athlon
XP's, 

Also would -march=athlon be the most suitable for a Duron 1.3?

heres the output of cat /proc/cpu

processor   : 0
vendor_id   : AuthenticAMD
cpu family  : 6
model   : 7
model name  : AMD Duron(tm) Processor 
stepping: 1
cpu MHz : 1313.066
cache size  : 64 KB
fdiv_bug: no
hlt_bug : no
f00f_bug: no
coma_bug: no
fpu : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level : 1
wp  : yes
flags   : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca
cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow
bogomips: 2614.88

Hopefully someone will put us gentoo noobs out of our misery and write
up a definiative guide one of these days ;) *crosses fingers*




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Re: [gentoo-user] icewm background

2003-07-01 Thread drewbian
On Wed, 2003-07-02 at 10:54, Meka[ni] wrote:
> > try 
> > xsetbg -full /path/to/image.jpg
>   I don't have that command. Can you tell mi what package is it in?
> 
> 
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qpkg -f /usr/bin/xsetbg 
x11-misc/xloadimage 

But if your going to have to emerge a package I would prolly get eterm
and use 

Esetroot -scale /path/to/jpg

instead as it seems to work a bit nicer.


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Re: [gentoo-user] icewm background

2003-07-01 Thread drewbian
On Wed, 2003-07-02 at 09:19, Meka[ni] wrote:
>   I know that there is icewmbg for this purposes, but it only works with .xpm 
> files. It
> used to work with any kind of images, but in 1.2.9 it changed. I've tried gqview 
> (image
> browser), and it has the option for making any image it can display a background 
> picture.
> I don't belive that it's gqview's only option, but that it is some command from the 
> XFree.
> Does anyone knows am I right? Thax guys. :o)
> 
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try 
xsetbg -full /path/to/image.jpg


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Re: [gentoo-user] how to change the monitor resolution?

2003-07-01 Thread drewbian
On Tue, 2003-07-01 at 23:19, Alberto Bert wrote:
> On Jun 30 at 01:20PM-0400, Ernie Schroder wrote:
> > On Monday 30 June 2003 09:18 am, drewbian wrote:
> > > Hi, Hope I'm not duplication someone elses post but I havn't been
> > > following this thread very closly, Just in case no one has mention it
> > > if your using Xfree 4.3 take a look at the xranr command.. e.g
> > >
> > > xrandr -s 1024x768
> > >
> > > changes the resolution to 1024x768 etc as an alternative to zooming
> > > in with ctrl + or - from the numpad.. to do it permanantly you will
> > > of course have to edit your conf file.
> > >
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> > Hmmm, never saw that before. It's not a virtual desktop either though 
> > switching from 1920x1440 to 1024x768 requires some serious window 
> > resizing.
> 
> Indeed it does not resize and simply I get a small desktop not filling
> whole screen.
> 
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A simple WM restart fixes that, I have not tried it under KDE though..


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Re: [gentoo-user] linux in floppies

2003-06-30 Thread drewbian
On Tue, 2003-07-01 at 16:19, Gëzim Hoxha wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm looking for a linux distro, that's contained in
> floppies and that's installable, I don't care how many
> floppies, as long as it works.
> Note: it's gonna be installed in a laptop, that
> probably (likely, if possible) has less than 16MB of
> RAM. 
> 
> Thanks,
> ZiM
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hello,

I've used tiny linux with X on an old 486 50mhz/16mb ram laptop and it
worked quite well (installed via floppys and serial modem)
http://tiny.seul.org/en/ - I also noticed deli linux a while ago, looks
like it could be quite usefull on old boxes, has a nice range of fairly
recent (for a low end distro) packages too. http://delilinux.berlios.de/


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[gentoo-user] how to change the monitor resolution?

2003-06-30 Thread drewbian
Hi, Hope I'm not duplication someone elses post but I havn't been
following this thread very closly, Just in case no one has mention it if
your using Xfree 4.3 take a look at the xranr command.. e.g

xrandr -s 1024x768

changes the resolution to 1024x768 etc as an alternative to zooming in
with ctrl + or - from the numpad.. to do it permanantly you will of
course have to edit your conf file.


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Re: [gentoo-user] rtc_?

2003-06-29 Thread drewbian
You could try recompiling your kernel with real time clock support, i.e
CONFIG_RTC=m


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> Hi all,
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> I am getting the following messages:
> modprobe:Can't locate module /dev/rtc.../dev/misc/rtc
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> How do I fix it?
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Re: [gentoo-user] total nautilus

2003-06-28 Thread drewbian
hiya, try launching it with the command 

nautilus --no-desktop

On Sat, 2003-06-28 at 22:46, Jorge Almeida wrote:
> I'm using KDE, but emerged nautilus, because konqueror doesn't allow me 
> to arrange icons manually (and thus is totally useless for me as a file 
> manager). Nautilus compiled successfully and looks fine. The problem is 
> that it sort of takes over my desktops--the panel is still as it 
> was, but desktop backgrounds and icons were substituted by the Gnome 
> defaults! Upon quiting nautilus, things return to normal.
> Is this Microsoftish behavior normal, or did I do something wrong?
> Thanks for any enlightement.


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Re: [gentoo-user] E17

2003-06-21 Thread Drewbian
cheers 

On Sun, 2003-06-22 at 08:25, Dhruba Bandopadhyay wrote:
> Drewbian wrote:
> > Hi all, 
> > 
> > I am interested in trying e17 and was wandering if it would be best to
> > emerge e or enlightenment-cvs ?
> > 
> > thank you in advance
> > drewbian
> > 
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> emerge enlightenment-cvs
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> However, I would suggest that you checkout from cvs and build it from 
> source manually as the ebuild is horribly out of date.
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[gentoo-user] E17

2003-06-21 Thread Drewbian
Hi all, 

I am interested in trying e17 and was wandering if it would be best to
emerge e or enlightenment-cvs ?

thank you in advance
drewbian


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