Re: [gentoo-user] Login, Schmogin
Daniel Westermann-Clark wrote: What I really should have asked is: Do you see the [ ok ] after Starting local..., or does the pause happen before that appears? If the [ ok ] appears quickly, then (stating the obvious) something after /etc/init.d/local is causing the pause. It might be a problem with /sbin/agetty or /bin/login. The [ok] appears right away with Starting local ... . Looks to you like something in /sbin/agetty or /bin/login then? Can you please send the contents of /etc/inittab and /etc/pam.d/login? I'll be sending you the contents of these files in a reply to this reply right away, Daniel. Please don't ask me why I'm doing it this way. :-) jlowell -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Login, Schmogin
John Lowell wrote: Daniel Westermann-Clark wrote: What I really should have asked is: Do you see the "[ ok ]" after "Starting local...", or does the pause happen before that appears? If the "[ ok ]" appears quickly, then (stating the obvious) something after /etc/init.d/local is causing the pause. It might be a problem with /sbin/agetty or /bin/login. The [ok] appears right away with "Starting local ... ". Looks to you like something in /sbin/agetty or /bin/login then? Can you please send the contents of /etc/inittab and /etc/pam.d/login? I'll be sending you the contents of these files in a reply to this reply right away, Daniel. Please don't ask me why I'm doing it this way. :-) jlowell -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list Here are the files, Daniel, albeit in an unorthodox way. Your indulgence is appreciated. :-) jlowell # # /etc/inittab: This file describes how the INIT process should set up #the system in a certain run-level. # # Author: Miquel van Smoorenburg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] # Modified by: Patrick J. Volkerding, [EMAIL PROTECTED] # Modified by: Daniel Robbins, [EMAIL PROTECTED] # Modified by: Martin Schlemmer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # $Header: /home/cvsroot/gentoo-src/rc-scripts/etc/inittab,v 1.6 2003/01/06 21:32:43 azarah Exp $ # # Default runlevel. id:3:initdefault: # System initialization, mount local filesystems, etc. si::sysinit:/sbin/rc sysinit # Further system initialization, brings up the boot runlevel. rc::bootwait:/sbin/rc boot l0:0:wait:/sbin/rc shutdown l1:S1:wait:/sbin/rc single l2:2:wait:/sbin/rc nonetwork l3:3:wait:/sbin/rc default l4:4:wait:/sbin/rc default l5:5:wait:/sbin/rc default l6:6:wait:/sbin/rc reboot #z6:6:respawn:/sbin/sulogin # TERMINALS c1:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty1 linux c2:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty2 linux c3:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty3 linux c4:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty4 linux c5:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty5 linux c6:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty6 linux # What to do at the Three Finger Salute. ca:12345:ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -r now # Used by /etc/init.d/xdm to control DM startup. # Read the comments in /etc/init.d/xdm for more # info. Do NOT remove, as this will start nothing # extra at boot if /etc/init.d/xdm is not added # to the default runlevel. x:a:once:/etc/X11/startDM.sh # End of /etc/inittab #%PAM-1.0 auth required /lib/security/pam_securetty.so auth required /lib/security/pam_stack.so service=system-auth auth required /lib/security/pam_nologin.so accountrequired /lib/security/pam_stack.so service=system-auth password required /lib/security/pam_stack.so service=system-auth sessionrequired /lib/security/pam_stack.so service=system-auth sessionoptional /lib/security/pam_console.so -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re: [gentoo-user] Login, Schmogin
On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 03:37:28 -0800 John Lowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... The [ok] appears right away with Starting local ... . Looks to you like something in /sbin/agetty or /bin/login then? My wild guess would be some DNS issues. Does your /etc/hosts contain at least: 127.0.0.1 localhost your hostname here ? If not, your machine could either timeout on DNS lookups or even trigger a dialup to reach your nameserver. Regards -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Login, Schmogin
Had the same problem yesterday. The answer was simple: the system was not able to resolve it's own hostname XY via DNS (understandable). After putting it into /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1 localname XY everything went fine. John Lowell schrieb: Sad to say, it's about a week later and I've still no answer to a question I've raised here a couple times and on the forums also. I say this in no way to complain but rather to express utter surprize, actually. There's a lot of first class Linux talent available on this mailing list so if I've stumped you guys, I've really achieved something. I've made a fresh, stage one install on a machine I intend to use as a webserver. I've done a lot of successful Gentoo installations so it's not as though I'm an amateur. The install went on without a hitch but, booting up, I reach the end of the init sequence and there's a delay of 22 seconds before Starting local ... transitions in to the usual This is .. and the login prompt. On my three workstations this transition take no time at all, it's virtually instantaneous. I have nothing in /etc/conf.d/start.local and my USE= is limited to -kde. pam is installed. I have no idea what in heaven's name would cause a delay of this kind. Is an answer to this problem really so obscure? God knows, maybe it is. jlowell -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Heinz Sporn SPORN it-freelancing Mobile: ++43 (0)699 / 127 827 07 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Snail: Steyrer Str. 20 A-4540 Bad Hall Austria / Europe -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Login, Schmogin
On 2005-01-09 03:47:04 -0500, John Lowell wrote: Here are the files, Daniel, albeit in an unorthodox way. Your indulgence is appreciated. :-) Those files look okay. Like a few others have suggested, check that your /etc/hostname (e.g. server1) and /etc/dnsdomainname (e.g. example.com) are set correctly and that your FQDN (server1.example.com) and short hostname (server1) are listed in /etc/hosts. -- Daniel Westermann-Clark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Login, Schmogin
Heinz Sporn wrote: Had the same problem yesterday. The answer was simple: the system was not able to resolve it's own hostname XY via DNS (understandable). After putting it into /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1 localname XY everything went fine. Heinz, You hit it on the button, it was a /etc/hosts issue alright! Thanks! What kept confusing me was the fact that my workstations functioned perfectly well while the webserver didn't. It seems that I was mistaken to assume that the installation would treat workstations served by my router's DHCP service in this way exactly the same as one assigned a static ip with port forwarding. Very wrong. Hopefully this experience will help someone else to avoid this pitfall. We live and learn. I would like to thank everyone here that tried to provide me with help for this problem. I'm grateful for your time and expertise. Very best regards. jlowell -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Login, Schmogin
Sad to say, it's about a week later and I've still no answer to a question I've raised here a couple timesand on the forums also. Isay thisin no way to complain but rather to express utter surprize, actually.There's a lot of first class Linux talent availableon this mailing list so if I've stumped you guys, I've really achieved something. I've made a fresh, stage one install on a machine I intend to use as a webserver. I've done a lot of successful Gentoo installations so it's not as though I'm an amateur. The install went on without a hitch but, booting up, I reach the end of the init sequenceand there's a delay of 22 seconds before "Starting local ..." transitions in to the usual"This is .." and the login prompt. On my three workstations this transition take no time at all, it's virtually instantaneous. I have nothing in /etc/conf.d/start.local and my USE= is limited to -kde. pam is installed. I have no idea what in heaven's name would cause a delay of this kind. Is an answer to this problem really so obscure? God knows, maybe it is. jlowell
Re: [gentoo-user] Login, Schmogin
On Sun, 2005-01-09 at 00:28 -0800, John Lowell wrote: [snip] I have no idea what in heaven's name would cause a delay of this kind. Is an answer to this problem really so obscure? God knows, maybe it is. I'm pretty far down the Linux food chain, even farther so in the Gentoo community, but this occurred to me... Is there some way you can crank up the debug output level on the kernel itself?? Usually whenever I have a problem whose source isn't immediately apparent, the first thing I try to do is scour the logs for anything off-color that occurs around the questionable point. If I don't see anything, my next knee-jerk reaction is to crank up the debug level so that there's a better chance of me catching something! Best Regards Good Luck, Dave -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Login, Schmogin
John Lowell wrote: The install went on without a hitch but, booting up, I reach the end of the init sequence and there's a delay of 22 seconds before Starting local ... transitions in to the usual This is .. and the login prompt. The first thing I would do is have a look at /etc/conf.d/local.start. The Starting local text comes from /etc/init.d/local which executes any startup scripts in /etc/conf.d/local.start. _k -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Login, Schmogin
Keith P Hassen wrote: John Lowell wrote: The install went on without a hitch but, booting up, I reach the end of the init sequence and there's a delay of 22 seconds before Starting local ... transitions in to the usual This is .. and the login prompt. The first thing I would do is have a look at /etc/conf.d/local.start. The Starting local text comes from /etc/init.d/local which executes any startup scripts in /etc/conf.d/local.start. _k Keith, Thanks for the reply! I see that I managed above to report the contents (or the lack thereof) in /etc/conf.d/local.start as /etc/conf.d/start.local. Sorry about that little reporting error. In truth, there are no entries in my /etc/conf.d/local.start, just the standard, commented-out boilerplate which leaves me without ideas of anykind as to a solution. There's literally nothing blocking the way to the login that I'm aware of. Talk about flummoxed. jlowell -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Login, Schmogin
Daniel Westermann-Clark wrote: Have you made any modifications to /etc/conf.d/local.start? -- Daniel Westermann-Clark Daniel, Thank you for writing. No, /etc/conf.d/local.start has no entries, just the commented-out boilerplate. Any other thoughts. jlowell -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Login, Schmogin
David D. Rea wrote: On Sun, 2005-01-09 at 00:28 -0800, John Lowell wrote: I'm pretty far down the Linux food chain, even farther so in the Gentoo community, but this occurred to me... Is there some way you can crank up the debug output level on the kernel itself?? Usually whenever I have a problem whose source isn't immediately apparent, the first thing I try to do is scour the logs for anything off-color that occurs around the questionable point. If I don't see anything, my next knee-jerk reaction is to crank up the debug level so that there's a better chance of me catching something! Best Regards Good Luck, Dave Hi Dave, Thanks for the thoughtful reply. jlowell -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Login, Schmogin
John Lowell wrote: Keith P Hassen wrote: John Lowell wrote: The install went on without a hitch but, booting up, I reach the end of the init sequence and there's a delay of 22 seconds before Starting local ... transitions in to the usual This is .. and the login prompt. The first thing I would do is have a look at /etc/conf.d/local.start. The Starting local text comes from /etc/init.d/local which executes any startup scripts in /etc/conf.d/local.start. _k Keith, Thanks for the reply! I see that I managed above to report the contents (or the lack thereof) in /etc/conf.d/local.start as /etc/conf.d/start.local. Sorry about that little reporting error. In truth, there are no entries in my /etc/conf.d/local.start, just the standard, commented-out boilerplate which leaves me without ideas of anykind as to a solution. There's literally nothing blocking the way to the login that I'm aware of. Talk about flummoxed. jlowell Anything in dmesg? I know one way to get past it ( without solving the bug, which is the real issue here ) is to just remove the local script from running, since it's empty. It doesn't have to be run. However, also check /var/log/message and anywhere else you might have some juicy logs. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Alec Warner Spartasoft Secretary ( spartasoft.msu.edu ) Junior Computer Science Michigan State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Login, Schmogin
Alec wrote: John Lowell wrote: Keith P Hassen wrote: John Lowell wrote: The install went on without a hitch but, booting up, I reach the end of the init sequence and there's a delay of 22 seconds before Starting local ... transitions in to the usual This is .. and the login prompt. The first thing I would do is have a look at /etc/conf.d/local.start. The Starting local text comes from /etc/init.d/local which executes any startup scripts in /etc/conf.d/local.start. _k Keith, Thanks for the reply! I see that I managed above to report the contents (or the lack thereof) in /etc/conf.d/local.start as /etc/conf.d/start.local. Sorry about that little reporting error. In truth, there are no entries in my /etc/conf.d/local.start, just the standard, commented-out boilerplate which leaves me without ideas of anykind as to a solution. There's literally nothing blocking the way to the login that I'm aware of. Talk about flummoxed. jlowell Anything in dmesg? I know one way to get past it ( without solving the bug, which is the real issue here ) is to just remove the local script from running, since it's empty. It doesn't have to be run. However, also check /var/log/message and anywhere else you might have some juicy logs. Perhaps a few steps for sanity: 1. Remove, as Alec suggests, local from init.d. Test this. 2. I assume your /etc/init.d/local dependencies are set to after *. 3. Check your /etc/inittab for anything suspicious. Refer to dmesg (as Alex suggests ;) ). It is possible that there is a strange problem with the DM scripts, the getty you are using, or possibly PAM. None of those seem likely though. _k -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Login, Schmogin
Alec wrote: Anything in dmesg? I know one way to get past it ( without solving the bug, which is the real issue here ) is to just remove the local script from running, since it's empty. It doesn't have to be run. However, also check /var/log/message and anywhere else you might have some juicy logs. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Alec Warner Spartasoft Secretary ( spartasoft.msu.edu ) Junior Computer Science Michigan State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Alec, Interesting comment. Here's some feedback. 1. Nothing from dmesg that I could detect. 2. Some /var/log/message entries that might be significant, I'll leave the analysis to you. At the tail end of the log I see this, leaving out the date and hostname boilerplate: login[1174]: PAM pam_putenv: delete non-existent entry; REMOTEHOST PAM-env[1174]: Unknown PAM_ITEM: DISPLAY login[1174]: PAM pam_putenv: delete non-existent entry; DISPLAY PAM-env[1174]: Unknown PAM_ITEM: XAUTHORITY login[1174]: PAM pam_putenv: delete non-existent entry; XAUTHORITY login(pam_unix)[1174]: session opened for user root by (uid=0) Thoughts? You think this problem is a bug, a pam bug, perhaps? jlowell -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Login, Schmogin
On 2005-01-09 02:11:40 -0800, John Lowell wrote: No, /etc/conf.d/local.start has no entries, just the commented-out boilerplate. Any other thoughts. Sorry, I see that you mentioned that in your initial email. What I really should have asked is: Do you see the [ ok ] after Starting local..., or does the pause happen before that appears? If the [ ok ] appears quickly, then (stating the obvious) something after /etc/init.d/local is causing the pause. It might be a problem with /sbin/agetty or /bin/login. Can you please send the contents of /etc/inittab and /etc/pam.d/login? -- Daniel Westermann-Clark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
