Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Mbox vs maildir
On Mon, 2005-03-07 at 22:58 -0700, Collins Richey wrote: On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 17:49:23 +1300, Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look it was me who raised the OT-ness of this thread and if you read back I kind of withdrew my complaint and apologised. There is a line somewhere, and the related problem in this case is how easy it is to get info on the pros and cons of mbox vs maildir by a very simple google search. Sorry to be a bugbear. I'm on a lot of other lists, and seldom do I read on those lists, go and search somewhere else, we're not interested, although I understand that is standard practice on Debian lists. I, for my part, am interested in all things Gentoo and by extension all things Linux, and as Brett stated, there's always the chance that someone on the list has a particular Gentoo insight into the supposedly OT question. Sometimes a Google search on common things such as mbox and maildir can throw out a lot of trivia, perhaps not even including a simple answer as to why one or the other without a tremendous amount of digging, whereas a real live body may have the desired simple answer, and we all (at least the portion of all who doesn't know the answer in advance) can benefit from the shortcut. In conclusion, my OT filter is not as finely tuned as yours. LOL good way of putting it! good thing we are not all the same, it would be boring! I will shut up now. Later, -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] OT: Mbox vs maildir
I'd imagine that 100% of the people on this list interact with email, which is a much better ratio than those that use X, setup a bootsplash, or want sound to work. I quitely delete those threads as being of no interest to me, but interesting and on topic for others on the list. I expect others to give my and a significant portion of the list's interests the same curtesy. That's a problem that most mailing lists suffer from. For this list, some folks believe that if they're running a gentoo system, then the gentoo list is the place to post questions whether they're truly related to gentoo issues or not. I'm on the KDE-linux mailing list and last week there was a long and OT thread that started with an ubuntoo user with an ubuntoo issue that, since he was running linux, thought the kde-linux list was the place to post. Nick is right that the mailserver thing is OT because it's not a specific gentoo issue. Some of the other issues you mentioned are typically more gentoo-related than the mailserver choice thing. That said, each one of us on the list will have our own opinions about what is or is not OT. Let's not beat each other up trying to get everyone to agree that one opinion is the best... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] OT: Mbox vs maildir
To me, if all we asked about on this list was purely gentoo related this would be a dead list as X, bootsplash, sound, network, editors, terminal emulators, etc. all have nothing to do with gentoo per se so we'd all be elsewhere. If you look at it that way there isn't much left to discuss expect the stage 1-3 installs, and the live CDs. We'd probably better clean out most of the posts in the forums, too as I've been looking at some long threads on X and KDE (neither of which are specific Gentoo isssues but are helping me solve some problems G). We'd better take down some of the sticky notes, too that don't pertain to Gentoo per se. As the original poster I asked here for two reasons. First and foremost I'm running Gentoo and want feedback on this issue from others who use Gentoo. Theoretically, mailers, X, sound, etc. should be the same for all distros but they aren't so we go to the lists of the distro we are running. Second, there's a lot of good knowledge on this list from people who know Gentoo and other distros as well. To me, it's not a problem. As one poster said, I skip the ones I don't want but I read a lot of posts on topics I'm not interested at the moment in because when I'm done I've learned something about Gentoo and Linux. More than once, I've later encountered a problem I could fix because I remember a post on it so I went back to the archives and looked up the solution. On Mon, 7 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote: I'd imagine that 100% of the people on this list interact with email, which is a much better ratio than those that use X, setup a bootsplash, or want sound to work. I quitely delete those threads as being of no interest to me, but interesting and on topic for others on the list. I expect others to give my and a significant portion of the list's interests the same curtesy. That's a problem that most mailing lists suffer from. For this list, some folks believe that if they're running a gentoo system, then the gentoo list is the place to post questions whether they're truly related to gentoo issues or not. Nick is right that the mailserver thing is OT because it's not a specific gentoo issue. Some of the other issues you mentioned are typically more gentoo-related than the mailserver choice thing. -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Mbox vs maildir
On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 22:17:37 -0500 (EST), Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ snips ] To me, if all we asked about on this list was purely gentoo related this would be a dead list as X, bootsplash, sound, network, editors, terminal emulators, etc. all have nothing to do with gentoo per se so we'd all be elsewhere. If you look at it that way there isn't much left to discuss expect the stage 1-3 installs, and the live CDs. As the original poster I asked here for two reasons. First and foremost I'm running Gentoo and want feedback on this issue from others who use Gentoo. Second, there's a lot of good knowledge on this list from people who know Gentoo and other distros as well. I agree 100%, Brett, but we are in the minority. [It seems that] most on the lists are purists. Why, you can't even ask a question about catalyst (which should be a perfectly legitimate Gentoo subject) without being told: get thee to the catalyst list. Sigh. -- Collins -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Mbox vs maildir
On Mon, 2005-03-07 at 20:46 -0700, Collins Richey wrote: I agree 100%, Brett, but we are in the minority. Look it was me who raised the OT-ness of this thread and if you read back I kind of withdrew my complaint and apologised. There is a line somewhere, and the related problem in this case is how easy it is to get info on the pros and cons of mbox vs maildir by a very simple google search. As for the direction the thread took, ie how to *convert*, that too could have been asked in a different way - theres a big difference in the annoyance factor of the following two methods of posing a question: very annoying: how do i convert mbox to maildir? IMHO quite acceptable: I want to convert half a dozen pop3 mbox mailstores to maildir with minimal disruption. I have googled and found a number of scripts for this, but I am not sure what is the best approach, as they all seem to have pros and cons. A tool that is in portage or that people have tested on a gentoo system would be nice [It seems that] most on the lists are purists. Look this is a nice list, nice people, helpful community etc. But it does get a bit long winded and very OT sometimes. Honestly the question about mbox conversion to maildir would have been answered a lot more authoritatively on comp.mail.imap - sometimes its about using the best tool for the job. I see questions on here that get flailed about by people guessing and being semi-informed - whereas if the question had been asked in a more appropriate forum, the canonical answer would have been quickly available. Why, you can't even ask a question about catalyst (which should be a perfectly legitimate Gentoo subject) without being told: get thee to the catalyst list. well there is a specialised list for catalyst, it is mainly a dev tool and many devs do not appear to be on this list, and when someone has a similar problem to yours they will hopefully find the answer in that list's archive :-) Sigh. -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Mbox vs maildir
On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 17:49:23 +1300, Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look it was me who raised the OT-ness of this thread and if you read back I kind of withdrew my complaint and apologised. There is a line somewhere, and the related problem in this case is how easy it is to get info on the pros and cons of mbox vs maildir by a very simple google search. Sorry to be a bugbear. I'm on a lot of other lists, and seldom do I read on those lists, go and search somewhere else, we're not interested, although I understand that is standard practice on Debian lists. I, for my part, am interested in all things Gentoo and by extension all things Linux, and as Brett stated, there's always the chance that someone on the list has a particular Gentoo insight into the supposedly OT question. Sometimes a Google search on common things such as mbox and maildir can throw out a lot of trivia, perhaps not even including a simple answer as to why one or the other without a tremendous amount of digging, whereas a real live body may have the desired simple answer, and we all (at least the portion of all who doesn't know the answer in advance) can benefit from the shortcut. In conclusion, my OT filter is not as finely tuned as yours. Later, -- Collins -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] OT: mbox vs maildir
Hey, thanks to everyone for their input on this, it was enlightening. Cheers, Anthony. -Original Message- From: Frank Tegtmeyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 3:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] OT: mbox vs maildir Jonathan Nichols [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think that's a fairly rough list.. ;) Yes, you missed the main problem that maildirs address: there are no locking problems with maildir but possibly big ones with mbox. Regards, Frank -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] OT: mbox vs maildir
With all the discussion of mail handling recently, it's perked my interest in trying to revive the mail system on my test machine, which I've borked pretty royally. One thing I've never had a good handle on is mbox vs maildir. I sort-of know the differences between the two, but have no idea about the advantages/disadvantages of either of them. So. I know it's not Gentoo related, but perhaps some of the gurus here can point me to some of TFMs so I can read up and learn a bit more. In particular, I'm interested in the pros cons of mbox vs maildir. TIA, Anthony. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: mbox vs maildir
Anthony Floyd wrote: With all the discussion of mail handling recently, it's perked my interest in trying to revive the mail system on my test machine, which I've borked pretty royally. One thing I've never had a good handle on is mbox vs maildir. I sort-of know the differences between the two, but have no idea about the advantages/disadvantages of either of them. mbox = big fat flat file Pro:Can be easy to administer move mailboxes if needed Con:Unfortunately easy to corrupt mail file maildir = each message is an individual file Pro:More efficient less likely to hose big mail file Con:Lots of files I think that's a fairly rough list.. ;) We use Postfix/Courier-Imap here with maildir. It's been working a LOT better than the old Postfix/UW-Imap setup, that's for sure. -Jonathan -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: mbox vs maildir
Trying to extend the list... (i am not a guru) On Friday 06 June 2003 01:14, Jonathan Nichols wrote: mbox = big fat flat file Pro:Can be easy to administer move mailboxes if needed Con:Unfortunately easy to corrupt mail file Con: possible problems with locking Pro: easier to backup/copy maildir = each message is an individual file Pro:More efficient less likely to hose big mail file Con:Lots of files I think that's a fairly rough list.. ;) We use Postfix/Courier-Imap here with maildir. It's been working a LOT better than the old Postfix/UW-Imap setup, that's for sure. For me maildir works better too. Except that I once needed to copy my maildir, but perhaps I should have it packed ;-) Arnold -- Get my public-key from pgp.mit.edu or pgp.uni-mainz.de --- Hi, I am a .signature virus. Please copy me into your ~/.signature and send me to all your contacts. After a month or so log in as root and do a rm / -rf. Or ask your administrator to do so... pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: mbox vs maildir
Jonathan Nichols [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think that's a fairly rough list.. ;) Yes, you missed the main problem that maildirs address: there are no locking problems with maildir but possibly big ones with mbox. Regards, Frank -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: mbox vs maildir
On 2003-06-06 03:55, Arnold Krille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For me maildir works better too. Except that I once needed to copy my maildir, but perhaps I should have it packed ;-) cp -R -- Luke -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: mbox vs maildir
while were talking about mail, whats a good lightweight setup? im looking for a yahoo like web access mail program that can also do a pop3 or similiar function. Is apache still the best webserver? = *// No cows were injured in the making of this message *// __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
