Re: [gentoo-user] Re: On-topic, possible mailing list issue
On Thu, 2005-03-31 at 08:13 +0200, Andrea Barisani wrote: This mailing list has gone goddamned crazy for the last few months. I am sick of it, I try to contribute, yet I am flooded with idiots posting messages twice (once to gentoo-user@gentoo.org and once to [EMAIL PROTECTED]) That's because people doesn't know how to use their mail client and/or watching the screen before typing 'send', that issue has been widely discussed. yeah i know, and i am firmly of the view that as this is the only list that I am on (of very many) that exhibits the behaviour, it is a configuration problem. Technically your config may follow the letter of whatever standard(s) are applicable, but it is causing a problem that didn't arise before robin, and therefore I humbly submit that whatever configuration option is causing this to happen should be fixed. IE the previous configuration didn't exhibit the behaviour, and on my observation didn't seem broken, so it should be kept. I know that the ideal would be to educate the users to either use different clients or use their clients differently, but frankly the fact that very regular posters are double posting time and time again, hour after hour, day after day, week after week, means that user education is not working in this case. Assuming that the frequent posters, who are regularly offending, read the majority of the list mail, one would assume that if they were capable of being educated, it would have sunk in by now. They have done away with everything under 5c pieces here, so that will be 10 cents thanks. About this loop that's definetly a major problem that need to be solved immediately. and thanks for doing so :-) -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: On-topic, possible mailing list issue
The problem has been fixed, now X-BeenThere is being checked. Sending this message for testing purposes as well ;). -- Andrea Barisani [EMAIL PROTECTED].*. Gentoo Linux Infrastructure Developer V ( ) GPG-Key 0x864C9B9E http://dev.gentoo.org/~lcars/pubkey.asc ( ) 0A76 074A 02CD E989 CE7F AC3F DA47 578E 864C 9B9E^^_^^ Pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Re: On-topic, possible mailing list issue
-Original Message- From: Richard Fish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 4:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm trying to figure out how two copies of my email You should not be posting mail to robin.gentoo.org, just [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: On-topic, possible mailing list issue
This mailing list has gone goddamned crazy for the last few months. I am sick of it, I try to contribute, yet I am flooded with idiots posting messages twice (once to gentoo-user@gentoo.org and once to [EMAIL PROTECTED]) That's because people doesn't know how to use their mail client and/or watching the screen before typing 'send', that issue has been widely discussed. Outta be a gentoo-userFAQ, reqd reading for noobs. Been learning by trialerror. eg, I hacked the double posting prob by remembering to excise the 2nd address in the To: field -- not something I've ever had to do in a list before. It may have been discussed already but someone approaching the list for the first time would be unaware of it. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: On-topic, possible mailing list issue
Well, I didn't send a god-damn-thing to gary-at-smtp-dot-nofuckingwhere. He wasn't in the to or cc list of my first or second email. I *did* copy newsguy.com because he specifically requested that I do so. And I don't see why that could have caused a problem. Nick Rout wrote: This mailing list has gone goddamned crazy for the last few months. I am sick of it, I try to contribute, yet I am flooded with idiots posting messages twice (once to gentoo-user@gentoo.org and once to [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Well, since I am fairly new to the list, and have made that mistake a few times myself, I will assume this is also directed at me. I did file a bug report against Thunderbird for it to filter both the To and Reply-To addresses against the List-Post header when responding to a mail list, so that will at least fix one (popular) client. In the mean time, I promise to try to remember to always check that I am sending to only @gentoo. Sorry. Like you, and I am only trying to contribute. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: On-topic, possible mailing list issue
On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 11:16:18AM +1200, Nick Rout wrote: It seems to be something to do with the fact that for some reason you also sent it to gary at smtp dot nildram dot co dot uk which somehow seems to have redirected it to the list again. and possible reader at newsguy dot com Take alook at the headers. For some reason the Delivered-To header is not being honoured by the ml manager, I'll try to fix this ASAP. That should be used to prevent loops like this one (caused by an incorrect bounce). Sorry for this issue. This mailing list has gone goddamned crazy for the last few months. I am sick of it, I try to contribute, yet I am flooded with idiots posting messages twice (once to gentoo-user@gentoo.org and once to [EMAIL PROTECTED]) That's because people doesn't know how to use their mail client and/or watching the screen before typing 'send', that issue has been widely discussed. About this loop that's definetly a major problem that need to be solved immediately. -- Andrea Barisani [EMAIL PROTECTED].*. Gentoo Linux Infrastructure Developer V ( ) GPG-Key 0x864C9B9E http://dev.gentoo.org/~lcars/pubkey.asc ( ) 0A76 074A 02CD E989 CE7F AC3F DA47 578E 864C 9B9E^^_^^ Pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: On-topic, possible mailing list issue
For some reason the Delivered-To header is not being honoured by the ml manager, I'll try to fix this ASAP. That should be used to prevent loops like this one (caused by an incorrect bounce). Sorry for this issue. I was wrong, this has nothing to do with Delivered-To, this looks really like some odd forwarding done by a subscriber (I've removed it from the list), in fact all those posts looks legit (even if we know that they are loops). I'll try to prevent this by looking at X-BeenThere or by other means. -- Andrea Barisani [EMAIL PROTECTED].*. Gentoo Linux Infrastructure Developer V ( ) GPG-Key 0x864C9B9E http://dev.gentoo.org/~lcars/pubkey.asc ( ) 0A76 074A 02CD E989 CE7F AC3F DA47 578E 864C 9B9E^^_^^ Pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: On-topic, possible mailing list issue
It seems to be something to do with the fact that for some reason you also sent it to gary at smtp dot nildram dot co dot uk which somehow seems to have redirected it to the list again. and possible reader at newsguy dot com Take alook at the headers. This mailing list has gone goddamned crazy for the last few months. I am sick of it, I try to contribute, yet I am flooded with idiots posting messages twice (once to gentoo-user@gentoo.org and once to [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Now this! On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 23:35:42 +0200 Richard Fish wrote: Dave Nebinger wrote: I received six different copies of Mark's message... Make that 8 copies now... I'm trying to figure out how two copies of my email Re: My system startup (was More on fbuffer and grub setup) went to the list also...30 minutes apart. I don't *think* I did that...but it is getting late here. I'm sure posting more messages to the list will make it better... ;- -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Nick Rout Barrister Solicitor Christchurch http://www.rout.co.nz [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
