Re: [gentoo-user] What do you like best on Gentoo?
On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 07:44:47 -0700 Alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of my big beefs with debian is you can only really install the latest version of the software, and you can't downgrade without having the older deb packages there already. Gentoo you just emerge the version you want. A *very* powerful (and overlooked) feature I think. Hmm. apt-get install package=ve.rs.io-n always worked fine for me. And Debian keeps old packages a little longer than the portage tree does. /Clacke -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] What do you like best on Gentoo?
Hello Gentooers! Sry to interject but I must say that I really like the fact that portage cleans out a lot of the old ebuilds. In fact I'd like to see more house keeping. One possible suggestion would be the addition of a package (portage-archives maybe ?) that extracts the old ebuilds to your portage overlay, hopefully maintaining categories. Then pick what ever ya want. This would help the gentoo rsync mirrors and still satisfy those that crave the features/semantics of old. :) Thanks and Happy Gentooing!(Isn't that a national holiday yet!?) j Claes Wallin said: On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 07:44:47 -0700 Alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of my big beefs with debian is you can only really install the latest version of the software, and you can't downgrade without having the older deb packages there already. Gentoo you just emerge the version you want. A *very* powerful (and overlooked) feature I think. Hmm. apt-get install package=ve.rs.io-n always worked fine for me. And Debian keeps old packages a little longer than the portage tree does. /Clacke -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] What do you like best on Gentoo?
Am Dienstag, 24. Juni 2003 09:52 schrieb Timo Boettcher: Hi, I was asked to show Gentoo in my local LUG, to make a Demo-Installation or something like this. As the place where we meet has no Internet to speak of (64kbit single ISDN) and the meetings are pretty short (3hours), it would be hard to show a full gentoo Installation. Show upgrading a simple, small paket instead. So, what should I show them? The minimal solution for me would be to take a Laptop with Gentoo Installed, merge/unmerge some packages, fine. But IMO the most distinguishing part of Gentoo is its install. Lacking real compiling power (best we got is a dual P3-933), we Err, if this machine is lacking compiling power, there must be something really wrong with it ;-) could just precompile some things and build binary packages. Yep, also good to show: You can build binary packages for later reuse. What do you like best on Gentoo? What would you tell/show them? USE Flags, Slots (install KDE2 and KDE3 on the same machine), init script's dependencies, EVMS capable installation,... HTH... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)151 1513 6954 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Cap Gemini Ernst Young| Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hambornerstraße 55 | Web: http://www.cgey.com D-40472 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net pgp0.pgp Description: signature
RE: [gentoo-user] What do you like best on Gentoo?
The minimal solution for me would be to take a Laptop with Gentoo Installed, merge/unmerge some packages, fine. But IMO the most distinguishing part of Gentoo is its install. Definately. The thing to show would be emerge and qpkg. Emerge rsync is a bit time-consuming, so I guess that won't work. But you can merge and unmerge a package, merge a specific (older) version, merge -u, etc. Of course, showing a full Gnome and/or KDE tells people that Gentoo is not a tiny console based distro, but the real thing. What do you like best on Gentoo? What would you tell/show them? 1. Gentoo gives the power of LFS, but with a lot less hassle. Do an LFS once in your life, for educational purposes, and then switch to Gentoo to keep your sanity. 2. Gentoo has a great community. You could show your audience the Gentoo website, the mailing lists and the forums. Gwendolyn. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] What do you like best on Gentoo?
Hi Timo, Nachricht vom Dienstag, 24. Juni 2003, 10:04:21: Am Dienstag, 24. Juni 2003 09:52 schrieb Timo Boettcher: Lacking real compiling power (best we got is a dual P3-933), we Err, if this machine is lacking compiling power, there must be something really wrong with it ;-) That machine DOES lack the compiling power to bootstrap and emerge gnome (on a blank system, compiling all deps) inside 3 hours. Hmmm, you're talking about a demonstration, so you could as well start with stage 3 and maybe use a more lightweight window manager like FVWM2. Don't know how long X will compile on this machine, though. What about having a mix of binary packages for the big ones and live compilation for some small packages. With the right balance you should be able to demonstrate a Gentoo install. HTH... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)151 1513 6954 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Cap Gemini Ernst Young| Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hambornerstraße 55 | Web: http://www.cgey.com D-40472 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: [gentoo-user] What do you like best on Gentoo?
On Tuesday 24 June 2003 01:33, Timo Boettcher wrote: Hi Dirk, Nachricht vom Dienstag, 24. Juni 2003, 10:04:21: Am Dienstag, 24. Juni 2003 09:52 schrieb Timo Boettcher: Lacking real compiling power (best we got is a dual P3-933), we Err, if this machine is lacking compiling power, there must be something really wrong with it ;-) That machine DOES lack the compiling power to bootstrap and emerge gnome (on a blank system, compiling all deps) inside 3 hours. Timo -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list P3s are one of the best archs out there for compiling due to their great math handling... Aside from that, my favorite aspect of Gentoo is the ease of keeping it going once the install is done. I referred to it as low-maintenance to a Windows-using friend and I thought he was going to recommend me for an exorcism (despite the fact I am Jewish ;)). But, as a long time Linux user, it *is* low maintenance for a power-user's (as opposed to RH or Mandrake) distro. -- Zack Gilburd http://tehunlose.com pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: [gentoo-user] What do you like best on Gentoo?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 24 June 2003 10:10, Gwendolyn van der Linden wrote: [snip] What do you like best on Gentoo? What would you tell/show them? 1. Gentoo gives the power of LFS, but with a lot less hassle. Do an LFS once in your life, for educational purposes, and then switch to Gentoo to keep your sanity. 2. Gentoo has a great community. You could show your audience the Gentoo website, the mailing lists and the forums. And don't forget #gentoo on irc.freenode.net . I was amazed when I found irssi being available from the live CD during installation. Three virtual consoles: One for the chroot install stuff, one for the docs and one for asking questions in the IRC channel. That should show how easy it is to set up a gentoo box. - - ueberlamer -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE++B7dm4+n6JcwFSURAveBAJ4hFCd2HqkQZL2SOHHPeZvU4vE7hQCgwPXg sQSyQUfCXkXe1NVvQ9SZ+z4= =rPsb -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] What do you like best on Gentoo?
I was asked to show Gentoo in my local LUG, to make a Demo-Installation or something like this. As the place where we meet has no Internet to speak of (64kbit single ISDN) and the meetings are pretty short (3hours), it would be hard to show a full gentoo Installation. Show upgrading a simple, small paket instead. Also show them how you can install any version (well, any version in portage) of that package, and upgrade and downgrade at will. One of my big beefs with debian is you can only really install the latest version of the software, and you can't downgrade without having the older deb packages there already. Gentoo you just emerge the version you want. A *very* powerful (and overlooked) feature I think. -- Alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://arcterex.net There are only 3 real sports: bull-fighting, car racing and mountain climbing. All the others are mere games.-- Hemingway pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
