Re: [gentoo-user] protest?
On Saturday 30 August 2003 11:29, Xabier Ochotorena wrote: > El Sábado, 30 de Agosto de 2003 00:50, Renat Golubchyk escribió: > > Here is the main anti-patent site with many links and background > > In Spain we call it pro-innovation (http://proinnova.hispalinux.es) > instead. I think it sounds much more positive, don't you think ? :) Well, yes it does. But it implies that with patents there would be no innovation and I don't think it is true. Innovation will always exist regardless of patents. It can be slowed down, but it won't stop. So maybe anti-patent sounds negative it is nevertheless more precise. Cheers, Renat -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] protest?
On Saturday 30 August 2003 04:08, Chris I wrote: > It does mainly hurt people using OSS, but hopefully those people will > get up and write their representatives, stage a rally, riot, or > something to tell the government that this isnt okay. it won't hust only OSS people, it would hurt even commercial closed-source software, and R&D, coz the bill is about registering patents on IDEAS, not inventions. [small quote from the site] Advances in software are advances in abstraction. While traditional patents were for concrete and physical inventions, software patents cover ideas. Instead of patenting a specific mousetrap, you patent any "means of trapping mammals" or "means of trapping data in an emulated environment". The fact that the universal logic device called "computer" is used for this does not constitute a limitation. When software is patentable, anything is patentable. In most countries, software has, like mathematics and other abstract subject matter, been explicitely considered to be outside the scope of patentable inventions. However these rules were broken one or another way. The patent system has gone out of control. A closed community of patent lawyers is creating, breaking and rewriting its own rules without much supervision from the outside. [end quote] I think that pretty sums up what could happen if this lawyer paradise goes live... developping software could become a lawyer battle more than a coder's work. IT is becoming a lawyers and bean counters business, like some 3 letters corp playing FUD to pump up its stock quote before selling everything. Azhdeen -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] protest?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 El Sábado, 30 de Agosto de 2003 00:50, Renat Golubchyk escribió: > Here is the main anti-patent site with many links and background In Spain we call it pro-innovation (http://proinnova.hispalinux.es) instead. I think it sounds much more positive, don't you think ? :) Regards, Xabi. - -- GnuPG signed and encrypted email preferred http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x093F978B Key fingerprint = B3C5 0C7B 1587 071C 3D9C 545A 72FC 0234 093F 978B -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/UG6VcvwCNAk/l4sRAp7FAJ9x0vPHEdoZCknBVrcbgoe/fv6VogCfWV0v LpSHp6Y+yrwIO5+zcZUPnlQ= =2de/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] protest?
Chris I wrote: > On 2003.08.29 14:15, Norberto BENSA wrote: > > Personally, I think this protest only hurts > > people > > using OSS. The pretest is absolutely pointless. > > It does mainly hurt people using OSS, but hopefully those people will > get up and write their representatives, stage a rally, riot, or > something to tell the government that this isnt okay. I hope you're right and the goverments do something ASAP. Regards, Norberto pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: [gentoo-user] protest?
On 2003.08.29 14:15, Norberto BENSA wrote: Jorge Almeida wrote: > On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, bob bob wrote: > > How long is this protest going to go on for? its really irritating for > > those of us not in europe that want to find information on the web... > > How is one supposed to know what you're talking about? Telepathy? Go around. Check slashdot. Personally, I think this protest only hurts people using OSS. The pretest is absolutely pointless. It does mainly hurt people using OSS, but hopefully those people will get up and write their representatives, stage a rally, riot, or something to tell the government that this isnt okay. -- Chris I BOFH Excuse #59: failed trials, system needs redesigned pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] protest?
Jorge Almeida wrote: > On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, bob bob wrote: > > How long is this protest going to go on for? its really irritating for > > those of us not in europe that want to find information on the web... > > How is one supposed to know what you're talking about? Telepathy? Go around. Check slashdot. Personally, I think this protest only hurts people using OSS. The pretest is absolutely pointless. Regards, Norberto pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: [gentoo-user] protest?
On Friday 29 August 2003 23:50, Mark Knecht wrote: > I guess I need to go do some reading, because I don't understand the > protest. It always seems, to me anyway, like the have not's trying to use > what the have's have for free. It always comes off, to me, like it's a > requirement for companies to pay employees wages, but companies shouldn't > be able to own property, physical or intellectual no matter what they paid > the people to do the work. > > Where can I read a discussion about both sides of this to get the other > point of view? Here is the main anti-patent site with many links and background information. http://swpat.ffii.org/index.en.html And it is pretty objective too. For even more links you can check out slashdot. Oh, and by the way, as reported in the German heise newsticker, the vote in the European Parliament on the proposed legislation has been postponed due to the protest. Cheers, Renat -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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> El Viernes Agosto 29 2003 00:13, bob bob escribió: > > How long is this protest going to go on for? its really irritating for > > those of us not in europe that want to find information on the web... > I hope that it is as long as needed... and I'm not european, not > even living > there, but it is nice to know there's still a place in the world > with nice > and logic laws. > Thanks. > - -- > Pupeno: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I guess I need to go do some reading, because I don't understand the protest. It always seems, to me anyway, like the have not's trying to use what the have's have for free. It always comes off, to me, like it's a requirement for companies to pay employees wages, but companies shouldn't be able to own property, physical or intellectual no matter what they paid the people to do the work. Where can I read a discussion about both sides of this to get the other point of view? And sorry for using bandwidth, but at least I am trying to be constructive. Thanks, Mark -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] protest?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 El Viernes Agosto 29 2003 00:13, bob bob escribió: > How long is this protest going to go on for? its really irritating for > those of us not in europe that want to find information on the web... I hope that it is as long as needed... and I'm not european, not even living there, but it is nice to know there's still a place in the world with nice and logic laws. Thanks. - -- Pupeno: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kde.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/T6DkLr8z5XzmSDQRAjbSAJ9Rp5LQFgFFAsEMA4+vu4KJXifstgCg3Zgb isx2vAGVfkAThTMWn/7RfF0= =qTZl -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] protest?
Heh.. sorry.. I aussumed you'd know.. almost everyone else does.. try this link: http://dev.gentoo.org/~spider/ "Imagine a school with children that can read and write, but with teachers who cannot, and you have a metaphor of the Information Age in which we live." - Peter Cochrane From: Jorge Almeida <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] protest? Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:12:36 +0100 (WEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from gentoo.org ([204.126.2.42]) by mc5-f13.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Fri, 29 Aug 2003 02:12:48 -0700 Received: (qmail 22970 invoked by uid 1002); 29 Aug 2003 09:12:38 - Received: (qmail 31029 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2003 09:12:38 - X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jHafVH/hFUFqMqo+RqecICL Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Authentication-Warning: fulla.math.ist.utl.pt: jalmeida owned process doing -bs In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Aug 2003 09:12:49.0352 (UTC) FILETIME=[B7C8B480:01C36E0D] On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, bob bob wrote: > How long is this protest going to go on for? its really irritating for those > of us not in europe that want to find information on the web... > > > > "Imagine a school with children that can read and write, but with teachers > who cannot, and you have a metaphor of the Information Age in which we > live." - Peter Cochrane > > _ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > How is one supposed to know what you're talking about? Telepathy? -- Jorge Almeida -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] protest?
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, bob bob wrote: > How long is this protest going to go on for? its really irritating for those > of us not in europe that want to find information on the web... > > > > "Imagine a school with children that can read and write, but with teachers > who cannot, and you have a metaphor of the Information Age in which we > live." - Peter Cochrane > > _ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > How is one supposed to know what you're talking about? Telepathy? -- Jorge Almeida -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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ohh I know all about that.. our gov (australian) will bend over backwards for those tricks as well :-( "Imagine a school with children that can read and write, but with teachers who cannot, and you have a metaphor of the Information Age in which we live." - Peter Cochrane From: Azhdeen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] protest? Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 07:25:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from gentoo.org ([204.126.2.42]) by mc5-f1.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:32:49 -0700 Received: (qmail 22336 invoked by uid 1002); 29 Aug 2003 05:26:06 - Received: (qmail 903 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2003 05:26:05 - X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jHtmIdxwfZdyR/ZLDWuwJix Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: KMail/1.5.2 References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Aug 2003 05:32:49.0715 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC2FF030:01C36DEE] On Friday 29 August 2003 05:13, bob bob wrote: > How long is this protest going to go on for? its really irritating for > those of us not in europe that want to find information on the web... > Imagine what it is for us europeans, who all year long get bothered with US niceties such as DRM, Patriot Act, licences, and so on. Azhdeen -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] protest?
On Friday 29 August 2003 05:13, bob bob wrote: > How long is this protest going to go on for? its really irritating for > those of us not in europe that want to find information on the web... > Imagine what it is for us europeans, who all year long get bothered with US niceties such as DRM, Patriot Act, licences, and so on. Azhdeen -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
