Re: [gentoo-user] Which kernel version to select?
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004, Arne Vogel uttered the following immortal words, > Well, I have a card (Terratec DMX 1024) that supports double stereo > (front and back), so it should be > possible to configure it for 4 channels. However, I didn't try this yet. > If you figure it out, could you share > your experiences? I was able to get the audigy 2 to support 5.1 sound, but I dont know about your card though. If you have the spearker setup with 4 speakers, then you can try playing a dvd with mplayer -channels 4 dvd:// and see if it sounds ok from the speakers. Its really up to the driver to support the channels, if it can support multiple channels then mplayer or xine will work. Grendel -- Would you like a smoke and a pancake? A cigar and a waffle? Pipe and a crepe?Bong and a blintz? I have a Dutch accent, isn't that weird??? --Johann Van Der Smut (Goldmember) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Which kernel version to select?
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004, Arne Vogel uttered the following immortal words, > I have no need for a boot partition or initrd either, my sys is booting > right off a 75GB reiserfs partition, with > reiser support compiled into the kernel and just about everything else I > need as a module. Yes it works fine, I downloaded a kernel.org 2.6.2 patched it with supermount and copied my old 2.6 .config and compiled it and it worked ok. gentoo is a good distro where for example with kde i get the virgin kde look and not a altered or crippled look. Certainly a distribution with immense potential. The ony criticisms I have are 1. Installation could be improved a lot, but i here that some scripts are there to help in this. If so they could be referenced in the installation handbook. 2. Documentation seems to be missing, things like how to select newer sources etc, fortunately this is offset by the superb technical support from this list. 3. you need a large bandwith connection and a farely high cpu (>500mhz ) machine to get gentoo installed. Grendel. -- Would you like a smoke and a pancake? A cigar and a waffle? Pipe and a crepe?Bong and a blintz? I have a Dutch accent, isn't that weird??? --Johann Van Der Smut (Goldmember) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Which kernel version to select?
On Feb 13, 2004, at 9:49 pm, Tom Wesley wrote: On Fri, 2004-02-13 at 20:40, Stroller wrote: ... If I wish to install a different version of a package from the current stable I usually `locate pckagename | grep ebuild` - there is often an older or ~ARCH ebuild in the Portage tree. Stroller. You ever used esearch? If you `emerge esearch && eupdatedb` then `esearch -e pckagename` it will show all versions of the available ebuilds. Also, `esync` will update the tree and show the differences. Just thought I would butt in with that :-) Many thanks. I have been using esearch for a couple of weeks now, but wasn't aware of these functions. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Which kernel version to select?
Grendel wrote: Thanks for the help, it is much appreciated. So currently the installation worked ok. It was hard to install it, but the end product is worth the sweat. ACK! Only a couple of more problems left, 1. The nvidia-kernel got compiled and installed but Xfree86 was unable to find the binary X module, a situation which I rectified by downloading the NVIDIAxxx5336.run from nvidia.com and installing it. You need both the nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx packages. nvidia-kernel provides the kernel module, nvidia-glx the userspace libraries. Alternatively, the NVIDIA...run scripts provide both. 2. Surround sound (5.1 or greater)in linux, has anyone tried this on any of your sound cards? Audigy, sb live 5.1, or nforce2 (a7n8x and other motherboards based on the nforce2 chipset can have surround sound). To enjoy surround sound you will have to try to play a dvd with mplayer dvd:// --channels 6 and see if it works. Well, I have a card (Terratec DMX 1024) that supports double stereo (front and back), so it should be possible to configure it for 4 channels. However, I didn't try this yet. If you figure it out, could you share your experiences? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Which kernel version to select?
Grendel wrote: Currently I got the 2.6 kernel installed, but genkernel asks me to pass the options "boot=/dev/ram0 real_boot=/dev/hda6", I tried but it dont work so I switched back to 2.4.20. Is there a way to get newer kernels ? I stick with www.kernel.org. Don't use genkernel, unless you configure your system exactly the way genkernel expects it, you will probably run into trouble. With kernel 2.6 they dumped "make dep" anyway, and "make" builds the bzImage and the modules - this makes kernel compilation so simple that there shouldn't be any need for a script doing obscure things. To install, I need one cp, one lilo, and one "make modules_install" command. Not overly difficult either! ;-) I have no need for a boot partition or initrd either, my sys is booting right off a 75GB reiserfs partition, with reiser support compiled into the kernel and just about everything else I need as a module. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Which kernel version to select?
On Fri, 2004-02-13 at 20:40, Stroller wrote: > On Feb 13, 2004, at 3:01 am, Grendel wrote: > > > > I will compile my own kernel from the source. my query was is there a > > way > > to ask emerge to get me the kernel-2.6.2 vanilla sources? emerge > > gentoo-dev-sources gives me 2.6.1-rc1 > > `emerge > /usr/portage/sys-kernel/development-sources/development-sources > -2.6.2.ebuild` > > If I wish to install a different version of a package from the current > stable I usually `locate pckagename | grep ebuild` - there is often an > older or ~ARCH ebuild in the Portage tree. > > Stroller. You ever used esearch? If you `emerge esearch && eupdatedb` then `esearch -e pckagename` it will show all versions of the available ebuilds. Also, `esync` will update the tree and show the differences. Just thought I would butt in with that :-) (and it tests my mail is still working without sending a "Test" to the list) -- Tom Wesley signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] Which kernel version to select?
On Feb 13, 2004, at 3:01 am, Grendel wrote: I will compile my own kernel from the source. my query was is there a way to ask emerge to get me the kernel-2.6.2 vanilla sources? emerge gentoo-dev-sources gives me 2.6.1-rc1 `emerge /usr/portage/sys-kernel/development-sources/development-sources -2.6.2.ebuild` If I wish to install a different version of a package from the current stable I usually `locate pckagename | grep ebuild` - there is often an older or ~ARCH ebuild in the Portage tree. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Which kernel version to select?
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004, blade- uttered the following immortal words, > It means that all the kernel versions above that have been masked. You > can use: ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" emerge > /usr/portage/sys-kernel/gentoo-dev-sources/ > gentoo-dev-sources-2.6.2.ebuild > > >I will compile my own kernel from the source. my query was is there a way > >to ask emerge to get me the kernel-2.6.2 vanilla sources? emerge > >gentoo-dev-sources gives me 2.6.1-rc1 Thanks for the help, it is much appreciated. So currently the installation worked ok. It was hard to install it, but the end product is worth the sweat. Only a couple of more problems left, 1. The nvidia-kernel got compiled and installed but Xfree86 was unable to find the binary X module, a situation which I rectified by downloading the NVIDIAxxx5336.run from nvidia.com and installing it. 2. Surround sound (5.1 or greater)in linux, has anyone tried this on any of your sound cards? Audigy, sb live 5.1, or nforce2 (a7n8x and other motherboards based on the nforce2 chipset can have surround sound). To enjoy surround sound you will have to try to play a dvd with mplayer dvd:// --channels 6 and see if it works. Grendel -- Hi, I'm a signature virus. plz set me as your signature and help me spread :) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Which kernel version to select?
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered the following immortal words, > > I'm going to find something to torture test this thing with and see if I > can lock it next week. If I can nail the problems to something, fine, I > can fix that, otherwise I will end up sending the board back. It's got a > warranty, and no one else seems to be having this issue. There is a utility called cpuburn to run the CPU at full load, it will stress test your system. Its a good tool to run. Grendel -- Hi, I'm a signature virus. plz set me as your signature and help me spread :) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Which kernel version to select?
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 06:47:39 +0600 (LKT) Grendel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, The awesome and feared [EMAIL PROTECTED] > commented... > > > > > well, I went back into the bios and took the drives off "auto" and > > put the settings in manually, and I haven't had a problem yet, but I > > haven't been able to duplicate the damn thing at all up to this > > point. It's locked after a reboot, > > All the above point out that the machine fails while under load, > several possibilites exist the common one is bad ram, please download > memtest86 and try checking your memory. Yeah, I knew I should have mentioned that I ran memtest86 for well over 12 hrs with no errors... =) > As for the disk you can check > it and see if there is a problem, but its unlikely todays IDE drives > seem reliable beasts. I'm going to find something to torture test this thing with and see if I can lock it next week. If I can nail the problems to something, fine, I can fix that, otherwise I will end up sending the board back. It's got a warranty, and no one else seems to be having this issue. -- We should have a Vollyballocracy. We elect a six-pack of presidents. Each one serves until they screw up, at which point they rotate. -- Dennis Miller -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Which kernel version to select?
It means that all the kernel versions above that have been masked. You can use: ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" emerge /usr/portage/sys-kernel/gentoo-dev-sources/ gentoo-dev-sources-2.6.2.ebuild I will compile my own kernel from the source. my query was is there a way to ask emerge to get me the kernel-2.6.2 vanilla sources? emerge gentoo-dev-sources gives me 2.6.1-rc1 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Which kernel version to select?
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, The awesome and feared Collins Richey commented thusly, > Got it in one. Gentoo was not designed for the unexperienced, but a lot > of unexperienced users have made the grade. yes, thats a tribute to the good support from this list more than anything else. If I didnt have this list I dont know where I would be. Anyway I certainly wont be going back to mandrake I managed to get kde 3 running and it looks good. Certainly everything seems much faster even on my athlon-xp machine. > This is (merely) a matter of understanding the USE variables. Always do > an 'emerge -pv packagename' to understand what USE variables are > recognized by the package. An example: xfce will drag in all of kde and > gnome, if those USE variables are in effect! Thanks. > Don't have a clue. genkernel has created more grief for more people > than any other gentoo feature. I wouldn't touch it with a fork. I will compile my own kernel from the source. my query was is there a way to ask emerge to get me the kernel-2.6.2 vanilla sources? emerge gentoo-dev-sources gives me 2.6.1-rc1 bye, Grendel -- Hi, I'm a signature virus. plz set me as your signature and help me spread :) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Which kernel version to select?
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:22:43 +0600 (LKT) Grendel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, The awesome and feared Collins Richey commented > thusly, > > Yes, but I dont know if I am missing something here, but still this > means that you need a lot of patience and a extremely high level of > linux experience to install gentoo. Got it in one. Gentoo was not designed for the unexperienced, but a lot of unexperienced users have made the grade. > > Also there are annying things like something simple as emerge emu10k1 > trying to download aumix and all its dependencies like xf86 :( This is (merely) a matter of understanding the USE variables. Always do an 'emerge -pv packagename' to understand what USE variables are recognized by the package. An example: xfce will drag in all of kde and gnome, if those USE variables are in effect! > > But all in all I like it, its just the installation process that sux. > > Currently I got the 2.6 kernel installed, but genkernel asks me to > pass the options "boot=/dev/ram0 real_boot=/dev/hda6", I tried but it > dont work so I switched back to 2.4.20. > > Is there a way to get newer kernels ? > Don't have a clue. genkernel has created more grief for more people than any other gentoo feature. I wouldn't touch it with a fork. -- Collins - Denver Area - Gentoo stable kernel 2.6.2-rc1 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Which kernel version to select?
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, The awesome and feared Collins Richey commented thusly, > 1) There are one or more projects underway to automate the install > process. Search the archives or in forum. Most of us don't mind the > manual process because normally you only need to do it once, then update > forever. Yes, but I dont know if I am missing something here, but still this means that you need a lot of patience and a extremely high level of linux experience to install gentoo. Also there are annying things like something simple as emerge emu10k1 trying to download aumix and all its dependencies like xf86 :( But all in all I like it, its just the installation process that sux. Currently I got the 2.6 kernel installed, but genkernel asks me to pass the options "boot=/dev/ram0 real_boot=/dev/hda6", I tried but it dont work so I switched back to 2.4.20. Is there a way to get newer kernels ? > 2) I disagree. I've gotten better installation support from this mail > group and from the gentoo forum users than any other distro I've worked > with, bar none. Agreed. Grendel -- Hi, I'm a signature virus. plz set me as your signature and help me spread :) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Which kernel version to select?
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 06:55:18 +0600 (LKT) Grendel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I managed to get gentoo running, the installation was the worst > experience i had since I installed debian. You know some of the things > I have to do are so common that why anyone cant write a intereactive > install script to automate some aspects of the things is beyond me. > > Fortunately the harrowing aspefct of the installation is offsetted > somewhat by the speed increase and good package management I see. I > never understand why distros which have the best package management > (gentoo, debian) have almost non existant installation support :( > A couple of thoughts: 1) There are one or more projects underway to automate the install process. Search the archives or in forum. Most of us don't mind the manual process because normally you only need to do it once, then update forever. 2) I disagree. I've gotten better installation support from this mail group and from the gentoo forum users than any other distro I've worked with, bar none. 3) You will catch more bears with honey than vinegar. -- Collins - Denver Area - Gentoo stable kernel 2.6.3-rc2 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Which kernel version to select?
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, The awesome and feared Norbert Kamenicky commented thusly, > Grendel, > > be so kind and do not start new topic in the middle of another one, please!!! > i.e. Do not start new thread by replaying another and changing header. Thank you for your words of wisdom. No the reason I started a new thread was because the old problem related to XFS was over. And I had a successfull installation and now I neeed to customise it. > noro > > PS. > This is the 2.nd time u does it today. I would have been even happier if a man as experienced as you would have been kind enough to help me in my problem but I probably am expecting too much. It doesnt matter I will figure it out anyway. I managed to get gentoo running, the installation was the worst experience i had since I installed debian. You know some of the things I have to do are so common that why anyone cant write a intereactive install script to automate some aspects of the things is beyond me. Fortunately the harrowing aspefct of the installation is offsetted somewhat by the speed increase and good package management I see. I never understand why distros which have the best package management (gentoo, debian) have almost non existant installation support :( Grendel -- Hi, I'm a signature virus. plz set me as your signature and help me spread :) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Which kernel version to select?
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, The awesome and feared [EMAIL PROTECTED] commented... > > well, I went back into the bios and took the drives off "auto" and put > the settings in manually, and I haven't had a problem yet, but I haven't > been able to duplicate the damn thing at all up to this point. It's > locked after a reboot, on the console logon screen; once while loading a > pdf file in phoenix/mozilla-firebird, once while loading mail > (sylpheed-claws) with the browser open, once while building a kernel, > once while emerging openoffice, etc. I repeat the steps and it works > fine. go figure. I am thinking maybe it's disk access related at this > point, but that's a guess. All the above point out that the machine fails while under load, several possibilites exist the common one is bad ram, please download memtest86 and try checking your memory. As for the disk you can check it and see if there is a problem, but its unlikely todays IDE drives seem reliable beasts. Grendel -- Hi, I'm a signature virus. plz set me as your signature and help me spread :) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Which kernel version to select?
Grendel, be so kind and do not start new topic in the middle of another one, please!!! i.e. Do not start new thread by replaying another and changing header. noro PS. This is the 2.nd time u does it today. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Which kernel version to select?
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:03:23 +0600 (LKT) Grendel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, The awesome and feared [EMAIL PROTECTED] > commented... > > > > Well, might it explain the lock-ups I get with this Asus a7n8x using > > 2.4.24? Guess I will have to bite the bullet and get the 2.6.x > > emerged. > > IIRC forcedeth has patches for 2.4.24 kernel. > > Well I used nvnet for 2.4.24 and I didnt have any problems, its 2.6 > which gives me lockups under heavyload. well, I went back into the bios and took the drives off "auto" and put the settings in manually, and I haven't had a problem yet, but I haven't been able to duplicate the damn thing at all up to this point. It's locked after a reboot, on the console logon screen; once while loading a pdf file in phoenix/mozilla-firebird, once while loading mail (sylpheed-claws) with the browser open, once while building a kernel, once while emerging openoffice, etc. I repeat the steps and it works fine. go figure. I am thinking maybe it's disk access related at this point, but that's a guess. -- Your true value depends entirely on what you are compared with. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Which kernel version to select?
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, The awesome and feared [EMAIL PROTECTED] commented... > Well, might it explain the lock-ups I get with this Asus a7n8x using > 2.4.24? Guess I will have to bite the bullet and get the 2.6.x emerged. IIRC forcedeth has patches for 2.4.24 kernel. Well I used nvnet for 2.4.24 and I didnt have any problems, its 2.6 which gives me lockups under heavyload. Grendel -- Hi, I'm a signature virus. plz set me as your signature and help me spread :) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Which kernel version to select?
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 12:53:53 + Daniel Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 3. Is the nforce2 ethernet driver (nforce-net) supported for the 2.6 > > > > kernels in gentoo? If not it doesnt matter I can manually patch the > > nvidia source and install it. the nforce-net is supported in the > > live cd which is based on the 2.4 series. > Don't use it. The 2.6 kernels have a reverse-engineered driver, named > forcedeth. It performs better than the nvidia drivers, fixes some bugs > that nvidia have neglected, and is open source. Well, might it explain the lock-ups I get with this Asus a7n8x using 2.4.24? Guess I will have to bite the bullet and get the 2.6.x emerged. -- Hermes: "Up yours, Zoidberg. Up wherever your species traditionally crams things." -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Which kernel version to select?
Grendel wrote: 1. I want a 2.6 kernel, so should I select the gentoo-dev-sources kernel? Never tried it myself. But yes, it would probably be a good place to start. 2. I plan to use genkernel and hotplug as the livecd detected it fine. You might want to read up about genkernel and 2.6. I've never used genkernel at all, but I think I read about some people with some problems with 2.6. 3. Is the nforce2 ethernet driver (nforce-net) supported for the 2.6 kernels in gentoo? If not it doesnt matter I can manually patch the nvidia source and install it. the nforce-net is supported in the live cd which is based on the 2.4 series. Don't use it. The 2.6 kernels have a reverse-engineered driver, named forcedeth. It performs better than the nvidia drivers, fixes some bugs that nvidia have neglected, and is open source. Device Drivers ---> Networking support ---> Ethernet (10 or 100Mbit) ---> <*> Reverse Engineered nForce Ethernet support (EXPERIMENTAL) The option name inside the .config file is CONFIG_FORCEDETH. Daniel -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
