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On Mon, 07 Jul 2003 22:55:07 -0500
Richard Kilgore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I'm hoping someone can help me choose a Window Manager I don't
> hate. I've been through TWM, VTWM, FVWM, CTWM, Enlightenment,
> WindowMaker, Sawfish, and recently Waimea. I have some difficult
> requirements that I have been unable to meet to my satisfaction.
>
> The two most important are:
>
> 1. not but-ugly, like TWM, VTWM, CTWM, and FVWM
>I care more about functionality, but these are simply
>depressing to look at.
> 2. keyboard, keyboard, keyboard, keyboard.
>in my Utopia, _nothing_ should be possible with the
>mouse or (god forbid) a menu, that is not possible
>with a configurable shortcut key-binding
Ok try openbox, with bbpager, bbload, bbconf, bbappconf, and idesk.
Idesk is what will give you desktop icons(and should of worked with
waimea actually). It's masked but I unmasked it and had no problem.(my
guess is it's still in testing stage). Also if you have a multimedia
keyboard unmask lineak and emerge that. It works great and my keyboard
is all mapped out making use of net keys and multi media... (the
multimedia button launches mplayer on mine, the other keys tho control
xmms, and my net keys control various apps I use tho could of controlled
a browser) While I don't have other special keymaps beyond that
happening bbconf does offer keymapping. BBappconf will do some of the
other things you require of apps below as will bblaunch(which can open
things on specified desktops via .xinitrc and can also specify if
something is sticky to desktops). Using the mouse in openbox you can
nav much as you did on waimea. You also can use windowmaker dock
apps.(I have several going some of which launch programs again when
clicked... also I'm the maker of a few dockapp ebuilds that are now in
protage ). Oh and with openbox you can hide the toolbar which is
what I do and I have the silt in the center instead. Fluxbox is good
and I'd use it but it doesn't get arid of that toolbar tho it will hide
it.(it tabs/groups apps). Waimea was cool but I found it's navigation
disorienting... I just wish openbox had the tabs of flux and the second
slit that waimea offers then it would be near perfect.(as well none of
them are totally perfect but it would be what I'd like hehehe)...
Anyways I hope this helps. Openbox is small and fast and related to
waimea, fluxbox, and blackbox. Another one that is simple and good is
hackedbox which I was trying to make a ebuild for but still have to
learn something about using "commonbox" eclass.
Next to openbox xfce4 rocks... only fault I have with it is I can't see
how to dock windowmaker dockapps. If you use more than one windowmanger
and your trying to see what you like best try selectwm as it will lauch
x and let you graphically select from a list what you want to run.
> And finally, I like to do some things with windows (from the
> keyboard) that not all window manager authors seem to think is
> interesting, like:
>
> 1. move a window to a pre-specified position on the screen
> 2. enlarge a window by X pixels in width or height
> 3. make a window a specified width by height, or one or the
>other
> 4. move a window to another desktop (but stay in the one
>you're in).
> 5. cycle between windows (not with a menu or pop-up window)
> 6. don't cycle between some of the windows (e.g., gkrellm).
> 7. for some X applications, put them on a pre-specified
> desktop when they start (i.e., xterms on 1, ide on 2,
> browsers on 4, etc.).
> 8. de-iconify a window (usually this involves popping up
> a menu and selecting which one you want (using the
> keyboard -- and not the damn arrow keys -- sawfish
> could do this - or some LISP I wrote, I can't remember).
>
> Does anyone know of a window manager that can come close? Does
> anyone know of one that they are just impressed with the keyboard
> shortcut configurability?
>
> And for this last one, I'm not talking about some small set of
> events that the author identified as worthy of keyboard
> accessibility (a la WindowMaker, Enlightenment, Blackbox, all of them>). I'm talking about something like twm had, where
> _everything_ can be done with the keyboard.
>
> - richard
>
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