[gentoo-user] Re: Wiki Gentoo article info question
Grant Edwards wrote: On my installation 'info kqemu' runs the Gnu info utility, which doesn't seem to know anything about kqemu. What info program is the Wiki talking about, and where does one get it? A shot in the dark: qemu has a console that can be reached with Ctrl+Alt+2. I would assume you have to enter the command there. -- Remy signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Wiki Gentoo article info question
On Friday 26 Dec 2008, Grant Edwards wrote: Both the kqemu and qemu packages are installed. Apparently run info kqemu refers to somthing other than the Gnu info program, but I don't know what. You should switch to the Qemu monitor (Ctrl-Alt-2) and then you can run the info and other commands. HTH -- -- Robin Atwood
Re: [gentoo-user] Wiki Gentoo article info question
Dale wrote: Grant Edwards wrote: The Wiki page on Qemu says To test if kqemu is correctly installed, run info kqemu. If it returns kqemu support: enabled for user and kernel code, your installation is correct. On my installation 'info kqemu' runs the Gnu info utility, which doesn't seem to know anything about kqemu. What info program is the Wiki talking about, and where does one get it? I would assume you are talking about something like a man page. Usually you get those by installing the package. Example, if I wanted the man page for apache, I would need to install apache to get it. Of course, you can also google for it if you are just curious. It sounds like the package is not installed if I understand this correctly. Dale In this case he is not trying to view the info page, but is ending up with that result. According to a quick Google search, you are supposed to run info kqemu inside of the qemu window, see: http://en.opensuse.org/Qemu_with_kqemu_kernel_module_support#Verifying_kqemu_acceleration -Steve signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Gmail and that stupid spam filter. :-@
Dale wrote: Paul Hartman wrote: On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Paul Hartman wrote: It's on the second page of the filter setup. Mine gives me these options: Skip the Inbox (Archive it) Mark as read Star it Apply the label: Forward it to: Delete it Never send it to Spam I have it set up for mail from this list and it works great. It even puts a little note letting you this message would have been sent to spam if not for your filter. I have all those but the last one. That is also what everybody had when I was doing my google searches. Why does Google hate me? lol Screen shot attached. I cropped it so it will be smaller. I think I know what your problem is. You appear to be using Basic HTML gmail which apparently does not include that option (I just tried it and it disappeared when I went to basic mode). Try switching to Standard gmail for a minute to set it up. Good luck :) Paul I'll try it but it doesn't like my slow as leap year dial-up. BRB. Dale :-) :-) Sorry to say but I'm back. I set up that filter and checked the spam bucket on webmail today. It had over 800 messages and some of them are not spam. Does anybody know of a way to disable this stupid thing? I'm about to switch email addresses if I can't do something with this thing. If you have no ideas on how to disable, what are some free email servers that allow pop access? I always liked Google but this sort of pisses me off. No wonder people say they sent me a card or something and I never got it. They are in the spam bucket. Thought about marking them ALL as not spam and just screwing their spam filter right up. Sort of a get even thing there. :-@ Ideas? Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] Re: Wiki Gentoo article info question
On 2008-12-26, Remy Blank remy.bl...@pobox.com wrote: Grant Edwards wrote: On my installation 'info kqemu' runs the Gnu info utility, which doesn't seem to know anything about kqemu. What info program is the Wiki talking about, and where does one get it? A shot in the dark: qemu has a console that can be reached with Ctrl+Alt+2. I would assume you have to enter the command there. Ah. I've never seen the Qemu console before (though I vaguely remember seeing it mentioned in the docs). I ought to edit the Wiki page to make it clear that run actually means open the Qemu console and execute the command. For whatever reason, I assumed run something refered to a stand-alone program or utility of some sort. -- Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Wiki Gentoo article info question
Grant Edwards wrote: On 2008-12-26, Remy Blank remy.bl...@pobox.com wrote: Grant Edwards wrote: On my installation 'info kqemu' runs the Gnu info utility, which doesn't seem to know anything about kqemu. What info program is the Wiki talking about, and where does one get it? A shot in the dark: qemu has a console that can be reached with Ctrl+Alt+2. I would assume you have to enter the command there. Ah. I've never seen the Qemu console before (though I vaguely remember seeing it mentioned in the docs). I ought to edit the Wiki page to make it clear that run actually means open the Qemu console and execute the command. For whatever reason, I assumed run something refered to a stand-alone program or utility of some sort. And then I assumed it was the general info command like the man command. Just confused the heck out of a lot of folks didn't it? lol I guess the wiki does need to be edited a little bit. Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] Re: Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto wrote: [...] what would be the best way to defrag it? By not defragging it. [...] I don't buy into that argument and never did. Every few months I copy the whole HD to another one and then back to counter fragmentation (ext3) and the system becomes noticeably faster after doing it (speed increase in emerge --sync for example.) Maybe it's not fragmentation but rather related files being more closely together after I do this. How exactly do you copy the files? [...] I simply boot from the Gentoo DVD and rsync to another ext3 partition, wipe the current filesystem and then rsync back. OK, I once again verified that fragmentation seems to be a big issue even on Linux. I just migrated to ext4, and in order to do that I had to rsync, format and rsync back. The result is similar to the last time I did this (over 8 months ago): emerge --sync takes 15 seconds (at least 3 minutes yesterday) update-eix takes 2 seconds (20 seconds yesterday) And I don't believe it's due to ext4. It's a nice speed-up from ext3, but not THAT nice.
Re: [gentoo-user] Changing profiles
On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 09:01:03 -0800, Grant wrote: I think I'm getting system included within world too. Check /var/lib/portage/world_sets -- Neil Bothwick Top Oxymorons Number 41: Good grief signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Changing profiles
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:54:12 -0600, Dale wrote: I was sort of in the discussion on -dev about this one. From my understanding, world and system works like it used to. @system and @world works the new way. However, when I type in emerge -ep world and then do emerge -pv @world, I get the same thing which includes the packages in system as well. This is a new install and I am using portage-2.2_rc18. AIUI world and system are synonyms for @world and @system for backward compatibility. -- Neil Bothwick Oxymoron: Reagan memoirs. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Orphan packages
On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 17:17:16 +0200, Leonid Podolny wrote: Anyway, is there an easy way to find orphan packages, i.e. installed packages that don't have repository behind? For example, if I used to have a layman overlay and now I deleted it, all the packages that belonged to that overlay are now orphans. I would like at least to get a list of those packages. grep overlayname /var/db/pkg/*/*/repository -- Neil Bothwick A woman walked into a bar and asked the barman for a large double entendre, so he gave her one. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto wrote: [...] what would be the best way to defrag it? By not defragging it. [...] I don't buy into that argument and never did. Every few months I copy the whole HD to another one and then back to counter fragmentation (ext3) and the system becomes noticeably faster after doing it (speed increase in emerge --sync for example.) Maybe it's not fragmentation but rather related files being more closely together after I do this. How exactly do you copy the files? [...] I simply boot from the Gentoo DVD and rsync to another ext3 partition, wipe the current filesystem and then rsync back. OK, I once again verified that fragmentation seems to be a big issue even on Linux. I just migrated to ext4, and in order to do that I had to rsync, format and rsync back. The result is similar to the last time I did this (over 8 months ago): emerge --sync takes 15 seconds (at least 3 minutes yesterday) update-eix takes 2 seconds (20 seconds yesterday) And I don't believe it's due to ext4. It's a nice speed-up from ext3, but not THAT nice. Well, try as I may, I could not get mine past 10% on resiserfs. Fragmentation happens on any file system but I think the point is that Linux doesn't get as bad as the windoze file system. 10% or so is not to bad depending on the size of the files. Files that are large will have to be fragmented no matter what file system you use. I posted in another the reply right after a copy to another drive. I think that was before I even booted into the OS and was still on the CD. It is around 2% or so. I doubt given that condition that it could get any better. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Changing profiles
I think I'm getting system included within world too. Check /var/lib/portage/world_sets That file doesn't exist on my system. - Grant
[gentoo-user] Re: Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly
Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: OK, I once again verified that fragmentation seems to be a big issue even on Linux. I just migrated to ext4, and in order to do that I had to rsync, format and rsync back. The result is similar to the last time I did this (over 8 months ago): emerge --sync takes 15 seconds (at least 3 minutes yesterday) update-eix takes 2 seconds (20 seconds yesterday) And I don't believe it's due to ext4. It's a nice speed-up from ext3, but not THAT nice. Well, try as I may, I could not get mine past 10% on resiserfs. Fragmentation happens on any file system but I think the point is that Linux doesn't get as bad as the windoze file system. 10% or so is not to bad depending on the size of the files. Files that are large will have to be fragmented no matter what file system you use. I posted in another the reply right after a copy to another drive. I think that was before I even booted into the OS and was still on the CD. It is around 2% or so. I doubt given that condition that it could get any better. I think the main problem may not be so much fragmentation of files, but rather their position on disk. Even if files are not fragmented, if they are located too far from each other even though they're related (same directory for example) or there's simply too much empty space between files (I think this is intentional in order to reduce fragmentation) then seek times get really bad. After I rsync the data back, it's nicely and sequentially laid out on disk. I guess over time it starts to get further apart again (to combat fragmentation) and emerge --sync goes up from 15 seconds to 2 minutes again. Even though the files aren't fragmented at all. Some defrag apps for Windoze actually offer to put the files back closer together without trying to defragment at all. I guess this is why :P
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly
On Friday 26 December 2008 21:49:02 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: OK, I once again verified that fragmentation seems to be a big issue even on Linux. I just migrated to ext4, and in order to do that I had to rsync, format and rsync back. The result is similar to the last time I did this (over 8 months ago): emerge --sync takes 15 seconds (at least 3 minutes yesterday) update-eix takes 2 seconds (20 seconds yesterday) And I don't believe it's due to ext4. It's a nice speed-up from ext3, but not THAT nice. Um, did it occur to you that after you emerge --sync'ed yesterday and ran update-eix that your portage tree is now very up to date and your eix cache is hot? Therefore successive runs will naturally be much quicker? And that yesterday was xmas day, a day most likely to involve very few if any portage updates? Or that emerge --sync could easily speed up simply because you had more bandwidth? Your speed-ups likely have very little to do with your filesystem. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
[gentoo-user] Certain network activity stops the network
I have 3 Gentoo systems on a wireless network, one of which is the firewall/router. Sometimes any traffic to one of the systems effectively freezes traffic on the whole network. Does anyone know what might cause that? It's tough to investigate because it doesn't happen all the time. - Grant
[gentoo-user] Re: Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 26 December 2008 21:49:02 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: OK, I once again verified that fragmentation seems to be a big issue even on Linux. I just migrated to ext4, and in order to do that I had to rsync, format and rsync back. The result is similar to the last time I did this (over 8 months ago): emerge --sync takes 15 seconds (at least 3 minutes yesterday) update-eix takes 2 seconds (20 seconds yesterday) And I don't believe it's due to ext4. It's a nice speed-up from ext3, but not THAT nice. Um, did it occur to you that after you emerge --sync'ed yesterday and ran update-eix that your portage tree is now very up to date and your eix cache is hot? Therefore successive runs will naturally be much quicker? And that yesterday was xmas day, a day most likely to involve very few if any portage updates? Or that emerge --sync could easily speed up simply because you had more bandwidth? Your speed-ups likely have very little to do with your filesystem. Well, instead of yesterday let's just say the past 5 months. I already did the rsync/format thing a few times over the last years, and the results are always the same: very fast filesystem for about a month, then it starts getting slower over time.
Re: [gentoo-user] Gmail and that stupid spam filter. :-@
2008/12/26 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com: Sorry to say but I'm back. I set up that filter and checked the spam bucket on webmail today. It had over 800 messages and some of them are not spam. This is not an answer to your question below but I wanted to mention a few things that might help you (if you decide to stick with Gmail a bit longer). When you see spam in your inbox do you use Report spam? When you see valid email in your spam do you use Not spam? I found it learns very quickly what I consider spam and what not. I also tend to go through the spam folder whenever there's 10 or more messages there. That makes it easy and fast and 99% of the time it's a simple select All + Delete forever. If you wait until there's 800 mails there you're bound to make mistakes and it's a big job to clean it all up. Does anybody know of a way to disable this stupid thing? I'm about to switch email addresses if I can't do something with this thing. If you have no ideas on how to disable, what are some free email servers that allow pop access? No idea. I always liked Google but this sort of pisses me off. No wonder people say they sent me a card or something and I never got it. They are in the spam bucket. Thought about marking them ALL as not spam and just screwing their spam filter right up. Sort of a get even thing there. :-@ Well, Don Quixote, I hope you'll forgive me for putting my money on Google anyway. ;-) :-P If you do decide to take on Google single-handedly ... keep a blog please, it should make for hilarious reading. ;-) :-) Cheers, Hilco
Re: [gentoo-user] Gmail and that stupid spam filter. :-@
Hilco Wijbenga wrote: 2008/12/26 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com: Sorry to say but I'm back. I set up that filter and checked the spam bucket on webmail today. It had over 800 messages and some of them are not spam. This is not an answer to your question below but I wanted to mention a few things that might help you (if you decide to stick with Gmail a bit longer). When you see spam in your inbox do you use Report spam? When you see valid email in your spam do you use Not spam? I found it learns very quickly what I consider spam and what not. I also tend to go through the spam folder whenever there's 10 or more messages there. That makes it easy and fast and 99% of the time it's a simple select All + Delete forever. If you wait until there's 800 mails there you're bound to make mistakes and it's a big job to clean it all up. Well, I'm on dial-up and that thing doesn't like my slow as crap connection. Thanks ATT for keeping your promise on getting use DSL. Bit of sarcasm there in case you can't tell. Very few things are on my crap list but they are one and close to the top. Anyway, using the webmail thing is a mess. It times oout part way through loading the page and all that crap. It took me a loong while to go through all that. What I thought of doing is checking all of them then telling google none of them is spam at all. Over time, it should not mark anything as spam. Of course, that will mess up other people as well. Sort of hate to do that but if it means I can get my emails, then it is a option. Does anybody know of a way to disable this stupid thing? I'm about to switch email addresses if I can't do something with this thing. If you have no ideas on how to disable, what are some free email servers that allow pop access? No idea. Me either. I always liked Google but this sort of pisses me off. No wonder people say they sent me a card or something and I never got it. They are in the spam bucket. Thought about marking them ALL as not spam and just screwing their spam filter right up. Sort of a get even thing there. :-@ Well, Don Quixote, I hope you'll forgive me for putting my money on Google anyway. ;-) :-P If you do decide to take on Google single-handedly ... keep a blog please, it should make for hilarious reading. ;-) :-) Cheers, Hilco Well, even if I did, I would be switched by then. If I'm not getting the service I pay for or expect, I move on. I may be switching ISPs again before long too. I like to get online when I need to not when they think I should. I also plan to keep my OS up to date even if it means a 10 hour download. If they can't handle that, I'll find someone who can. Already found my new ISP just waiting for word from my current one. They claim it is unlimited but then put limits on it. Funny huh? Who's Don? I never heard of him. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: OK, I once again verified that fragmentation seems to be a big issue even on Linux. I just migrated to ext4, and in order to do that I had to rsync, format and rsync back. The result is similar to the last time I did this (over 8 months ago): emerge --sync takes 15 seconds (at least 3 minutes yesterday) update-eix takes 2 seconds (20 seconds yesterday) And I don't believe it's due to ext4. It's a nice speed-up from ext3, but not THAT nice. Well, try as I may, I could not get mine past 10% on resiserfs. Fragmentation happens on any file system but I think the point is that Linux doesn't get as bad as the windoze file system. 10% or so is not to bad depending on the size of the files. Files that are large will have to be fragmented no matter what file system you use. I posted in another the reply right after a copy to another drive. I think that was before I even booted into the OS and was still on the CD. It is around 2% or so. I doubt given that condition that it could get any better. I think the main problem may not be so much fragmentation of files, but rather their position on disk. Even if files are not fragmented, if they are located too far from each other even though they're related (same directory for example) or there's simply too much empty space between files (I think this is intentional in order to reduce fragmentation) then seek times get really bad. After I rsync the data back, it's nicely and sequentially laid out on disk. I guess over time it starts to get further apart again (to combat fragmentation) and emerge --sync goes up from 15 seconds to 2 minutes again. Even though the files aren't fragmented at all. Some defrag apps for Windoze actually offer to put the files back closer together without trying to defragment at all. I guess this is why :P Well, this is what I got on my rig. Sort of interesting in a way. r...@smoker / # mount /dev/hda6 on / type reiserfs (rw) /proc on /proc type proc (rw) sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec) udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,nosuid) devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,nosuid,noexec) /dev/hda1 on /boot type ext2 (rw) /dev/hda7 on /home type reiserfs (rw) /dev/hda8 on /usr/portage type ext2 (rw) /dev/hda9 on /data type reiserfs (rw) none on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,devmode=0664,devgid=85) binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) /dev/hdd on /media/hdd type udf (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,uid=0,gid=0,umask=007) r...@smoker / # r...@smoker / # /root/fragck.pl / 3.10978840211776% non contiguous files, 1.08156705459019 average fragments. r...@smoker / # /root/fragck.pl /usr/portage/ 0.0276657266269232% non contiguous files, 1.00029450612216 average fragments. r...@smoker / # /root/fragck.pl /boot/ 6.25% non contiguous files, 1.0625 average fragments. r...@smoker / # /root/fragck.pl /home/ 3.2440588457186% non contiguous files, 1.16408902301018 average fragments. r...@smoker / # /root/fragck.pl /data/ 5.56267766568196% non contiguous files, 1.06797837355777 average fragments. r...@smoker / # Now keep in mind that the first one includes all the others. I'm logged into a GUI so I can't umount /home at least. May do that in single mode someday. I think sometimes the files are just to big to fit on one section. I know I have some files that are pretty big. I got a couple videos that are big that came off my camera and one video that is a hour or so long. I think there are a lot of variables that without a microscope we can never see and know for sure. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 26 December 2008 21:49:02 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: OK, I once again verified that fragmentation seems to be a big issue even on Linux. I just migrated to ext4, and in order to do that I had to rsync, format and rsync back. The result is similar to the last time I did this (over 8 months ago): emerge --sync takes 15 seconds (at least 3 minutes yesterday) update-eix takes 2 seconds (20 seconds yesterday) And I don't believe it's due to ext4. It's a nice speed-up from ext3, but not THAT nice. Um, did it occur to you that after you emerge --sync'ed yesterday and ran update-eix that your portage tree is now very up to date and your eix cache is hot? Therefore successive runs will naturally be much quicker? And that yesterday was xmas day, a day most likely to involve very few if any portage updates? Or that emerge --sync could easily speed up simply because you had more bandwidth? Your speed-ups likely have very little to do with your filesystem. Well, instead of yesterday let's just say the past 5 months. I already did the rsync/format thing a few times over the last years, and the results are always the same: very fast filesystem for about a month, then it starts getting slower over time. I have to say that after my recent transfer, my login got a whole one second faster. I can't tell any difference anywhere else. Of course, portage has always been on its own partition and used ext3. We need a hard drive engineer on here. :/ Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly
Dale wrote: I have to say that after my recent transfer, my login got a whole one second faster. I can't tell any difference anywhere else. Of course, portage has always been on its own partition and used ext3. We need a hard drive engineer on here. :/ Dale :-) :-) Hey, I've been following this thread with some interest. I just wanted to note that you guys might like to subscribe to Sun's ZFS-discuss list and possibly Storage-discuss. The guys on there really are hard-disk gurus and some of the things they talk about are miles over my head. It's just interesting as ZFS is supposedly (and I believe it) THE filesystem when it comes to combating fragmentation. Maybe reading over what those guys chat about would be interesting to some folks from this thread. In fact, the guys over at Sun are so hot on fighting fragmentation, they're already looking at some really advanced things like low level algorithms for deduplication and some other things that scare me and make me want to take a hot shower :P Happy holidays Matt
[gentoo-user] Re: Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly
Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: I already did the rsync/format thing a few times over the last years, and the results are always the same: very fast filesystem for about a month, then it starts getting slower over time. I have to say that after my recent transfer, my login got a whole one second faster. I can't tell any difference anywhere else. Of course, portage has always been on its own partition and used ext3. We need a hard drive engineer on here. :/ Well, I have everything in /. Except for /boot. Maybe I should reconsider my setup :P
Re: [gentoo-user] Gmail and that stupid spam filter. :-@
2008/12/26 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com: Hilco Wijbenga wrote: 2008/12/26 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com: snip/ Well, I'm on dial-up and that thing doesn't like my slow as crap connection. Thanks ATT for keeping your promise on getting use DSL. Bit of sarcasm there in case you can't tell. Very few things are on my crap list but they are one and close to the top. Anyway, using the webmail thing is a mess. It times oout part way through loading the page and all that crap. It took me a loong while to go through all that. Yeah, that definitely sucks. Nowadays a lot of webapps expect you to have your own private T3. :-) I'm not sure whether Yahoo will be much better though... What I thought of doing is checking all of them then telling google none of them is spam at all. Over time, it should not mark anything as spam. Of course, that will mess up other people as well. Sort of hate to do that but if it means I can get my emails, then it is a option. I'm not really clear on how personalised it is. Not everyone agrees (all the time) on what is spam and what is not. It seems that it is somehow able to apply my personal settings to the spam filter. snip/ I always liked Google but this sort of pisses me off. No wonder people say they sent me a card or something and I never got it. They are in the spam bucket. Thought about marking them ALL as not spam and just screwing their spam filter right up. Sort of a get even thing there. :-@ Well, Don Quixote, I hope you'll forgive me for putting my money on Google anyway. ;-) :-P If you do decide to take on Google single-handedly ... keep a blog please, it should make for hilarious reading. ;-) :-) Cheers, Hilco Well, even if I did, I would be switched by then. If I'm not getting the service I pay for or expect, I move on. I may be switching ISPs again before long too. I like to get online when I need to not when they think I should. I also plan to keep my OS up to date even if it means a 10 hour download. If they can't handle that, I'll find someone who can. Already found my new ISP just waiting for word from my current one. They claim it is unlimited but then put limits on it. Funny huh? Perhaps they meant the wait is unlimited? ;-) Who's Don? I never heard of him. I see no smiley, so I'll assume you're serious: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Quixote http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilting_at_windmills Cheers, Hilco
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly
Matt Harrison wrote: Dale wrote: I have to say that after my recent transfer, my login got a whole one second faster. I can't tell any difference anywhere else. Of course, portage has always been on its own partition and used ext3. We need a hard drive engineer on here. :/ Dale :-) :-) Hey, I've been following this thread with some interest. I just wanted to note that you guys might like to subscribe to Sun's ZFS-discuss list and possibly Storage-discuss. The guys on there really are hard-disk gurus and some of the things they talk about are miles over my head. It's just interesting as ZFS is supposedly (and I believe it) THE filesystem when it comes to combating fragmentation. Maybe reading over what those guys chat about would be interesting to some folks from this thread. In fact, the guys over at Sun are so hot on fighting fragmentation, they're already looking at some really advanced things like low level algorithms for deduplication and some other things that scare me and make me want to take a hot shower :P Happy holidays Matt But if we learned to much, we may be dangerous or something. Sometimes to much knowledge can be bad. lol I !think! I tried XFS once. If it was XFS, you need to have a UPS for sure. Every time the system crashed I had to re-install. I never got it to recover even once. I have heard the same thing about its defrag efficiency tho. Just don't trust it to much with my data. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: I already did the rsync/format thing a few times over the last years, and the results are always the same: very fast filesystem for about a month, then it starts getting slower over time. I have to say that after my recent transfer, my login got a whole one second faster. I can't tell any difference anywhere else. Of course, portage has always been on its own partition and used ext3. We need a hard drive engineer on here. :/ Well, I have everything in /. Except for /boot. Maybe I should reconsider my setup :P How you partition depends on what you are doing. I just have a desktop myself. I keep /home and /data separate in case I need to switch over for some reason and portage just to keep it from getting to fragmented. I guess it helps some at least. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Gmail and that stupid spam filter. :-@
Hilco Wijbenga wrote: 2008/12/26 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com: Hilco Wijbenga wrote: 2008/12/26 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com: snip/ Well, I'm on dial-up and that thing doesn't like my slow as crap connection. Thanks ATT for keeping your promise on getting use DSL. Bit of sarcasm there in case you can't tell. Very few things are on my crap list but they are one and close to the top. Anyway, using the webmail thing is a mess. It times oout part way through loading the page and all that crap. It took me a loong while to go through all that. Yeah, that definitely sucks. Nowadays a lot of webapps expect you to have your own private T3. :-) I'm not sure whether Yahoo will be much better though... What I thought of doing is checking all of them then telling google none of them is spam at all. Over time, it should not mark anything as spam. Of course, that will mess up other people as well. Sort of hate to do that but if it means I can get my emails, then it is a option. I'm not really clear on how personalised it is. Not everyone agrees (all the time) on what is spam and what is not. It seems that it is somehow able to apply my personal settings to the spam filter. snip/ I always liked Google but this sort of pisses me off. No wonder people say they sent me a card or something and I never got it. They are in the spam bucket. Thought about marking them ALL as not spam and just screwing their spam filter right up. Sort of a get even thing there. :-@ Well, Don Quixote, I hope you'll forgive me for putting my money on Google anyway. ;-) :-P If you do decide to take on Google single-handedly ... keep a blog please, it should make for hilarious reading. ;-) :-) Cheers, Hilco Well, even if I did, I would be switched by then. If I'm not getting the service I pay for or expect, I move on. I may be switching ISPs again before long too. I like to get online when I need to not when they think I should. I also plan to keep my OS up to date even if it means a 10 hour download. If they can't handle that, I'll find someone who can. Already found my new ISP just waiting for word from my current one. They claim it is unlimited but then put limits on it. Funny huh? Perhaps they meant the wait is unlimited? ;-) Well, I'm disabled so I like to surf the net a lot. I try to get on late at night when they are not to busy but it appears they don't care. Their unlimited thing has a lot of limits on it. I found out that dixie-net is local and they don't care how long I am on or how much I download. Says so in the terms too. Who's Don? I never heard of him. I see no smiley, so I'll assume you're serious: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Quixote http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilting_at_windmills Cheers, Hilco I didn't know who he was and still not real sure. Sometimes those wiki things don't make much sense to me. Sounds like lawyer speak sometimes. :/ Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] Thanks and bye for now
Due to a new work situation where extensive use is made of Debian, I feel the need to have a Debian-based play server. This unfortunately means my trusty Gentoo box is to be sacrificed :-( Thanks for the help I have received over the last few years (think I joined in 2005). I have enjoyed being part of the Gentoo community, and hope to be back alter sometime. Best wishes Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly
Dale wrote: But if we learned to much, we may be dangerous or something. Sometimes to much knowledge can be bad. lol I !think! I tried XFS once. If it was XFS, you need to have a UPS for sure. Every time the system crashed I had to re-install. I never got it to recover even once. I have heard the same thing about its defrag efficiency tho. Just don't trust it to much with my data. Dale :-) :-) Not sure if you're talking about something else but I was talking about ZFS[1], not XFS. ZFS is the latest filesystem from Sun which ships with the later versions of Solaris/OpenSolaris. I don't want to be seen to advertise it loads here, but it really is good. I recently moved my fileserver to a solaris/ZFS box instead of raid on gentoo. Since then my data hasn't been inaccessible once, and I haven't had the scary problems like when gentoo decides to reboot and not bring my arrays back online :) [1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS Matt
Re: [gentoo-user] kqemu with 2.6.26 causes qemu segfault
On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 04:58:26AM +, Penguin Lover Grant Edwards squawked: AFAICT, kqemu 1.3.0_pre11 is not compatible with 2.6.26 kernels. It seems to work fine with 2.6.25, but with 2.6.26 it causes qemu to crash with a segfault. I've seen other reports of similar problems on other distros as well. Anybody aware of a solution? My guess is that you'll have better luck at the qemu-devel mailing list. I just want to thank you for bringing this to my attention: I'll wait a bit before putting 2.6.26+ kernels on my laptop. W -- I found my inner child ... and put the brat up for adoption. Sortir en Pantoufles: up 749 days, 22:04
Re: [gentoo-user] Gmail and that stupid spam filter. :-@
Dale wrote: If you have no ideas on how to disable, what are some free email servers that allow pop access? Ideas? Dale :-) :-) I use the Webmail extension for Thunderbird (I don't know if it works in Seamonkey), it supports quite a few webmail interfaces and lets Mozilla talk to them with pop. It is mostly stable, sometimes it gives me a few issues, but I manage my own spam settings (I use it with Hotmail). http://webmail.mozdev.org/ There are two pieces: The main webmail extension and the extension for the specific service you're using. I don't know if it will make a difference with Gmail, but it may be possible to tell it to download all messages. Otherwise you can use some other free email account. -Steve signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-user] Sound driver not found with kernel-2.6.27-gentoo-r7
Hi All, I just upgraded my kernel with make oldconfig and noticed new options for sound. Other than taking in excess of 50 seconds looking at the penguin before the kernel starts booting up I found out upon bootup that alsasound fails to find the kernel driver for my sound card: === # /etc/init.d/alsasound restart * Loading ALSA modules ... * Could not detect custom ALSA settings. Loading all detected alsa drivers. * Unable to find any ALSA drivers. Have you compiled alsa-drivers correctly? * ERROR: Failed to load necessary drivers [ ok ] * Restoring Mixer Levels ... alsactl: unrecognized option `---' Usage: alsactl options command Available options: -h,--helpthis help -f,--file # configuration file (default /etc/asound.state or /etc/asound.names) -F,--force try to restore the matching controls as much as possible (default mode) -P,--pedanticdon't restore mismatching controls (old default) -d,--debug debug mode -v,--version print version of this program Available commands: store card # save current driver setup for one or each soundcards to configuration file restore card # load current driver setup for one or each soundcards from configuration file names card # dump information about all the known present (sub-)devices into configuration file (DEPRECATED) * Errors while restoring defaults, ignoring [ ok ] === Here's my card (lshw): *-multimedia UNCLAIMED description: Multimedia audio controller product: ES1988 Allegro-1 vendor: ESS Technology physical id: 9 bus info: p...@:02:09.0 version: 12 width: 32 bits clock: 33MHz capabilities: pm cap_list configuration: latency=64 maxlatency=24 mingnt=2 Also from lspci: 02:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: ESS Technology ES1988 Allegro-1 (rev 12) Subsystem: Compaq Computer Corporation Device 0094 Flags: medium devsel, IRQ 11 I/O ports at 2400 [size=256] Capabilities: [c0] Power Management version 2 Here's my kernel config: CONFIG_SND=y CONFIG_SND_TIMER=y CONFIG_SND_PCM=y CONFIG_SND_SEQUENCER=y CONFIG_SND_OSSEMUL=y CONFIG_SND_MIXER_OSS=y CONFIG_SND_PCM_OSS=y CONFIG_SND_PCM_OSS_PLUGINS=y CONFIG_SND_SEQUENCER_OSS=y CONFIG_SND_RTCTIMER=y CONFIG_SND_SEQ_RTCTIMER_DEFAULT=y CONFIG_SND_VMASTER=y CONFIG_SND_AC97_CODEC=y CONFIG_SND_DRIVERS=y CONFIG_SND_AC97_POWER_SAVE=y CONFIG_SND_AC97_POWER_SAVE_DEFAULT=5 CONFIG_SND_PCI=y CONFIG_SND_MAESTRO3=y Have I missed out something? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] broken splash screen and / or init?
Marc Blumentritt wrote: I have since 2 months a problem with my boot up splash. Splash is working, but the init messages (like starting daemon foh ... [ok]) are written an screen above (for lack of a better word) my splash. When the messages reach the bottom of the screen, the splash is moving upwards with every new line printed. When the messages reach Starting XDM the screen is not switched to the 7th terminal, where X is running. I have to switch manually by pressing alt-F7. The problem is with your linuxrc file in the initrd (you are using genkernel to build your initrd, right?) There's a mistake in the section which parses the kernel command line so that it misses the CONSOLE=tty1 bit... causing it to write all over the splash screen. There's already a bug report (#232012) on this filed in july and I've supplied information about how to work around this bug: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=232012 Let's hope the genkernel developers get the time to fix this. -- Regards, Gregory.
Re: [gentoo-user] Gmail and that stupid spam filter. :-@
Quoting Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com: Thought about marking them ALL as not spam and just screwing their spam filter right up. Sort of a get even thing there. :-@ I did that many many many many times. I hate google for not let me disable the stupid spam filter. **BUT** I found a workaround: Ideas? I download the spam folder to my home server with fetchmail. There I have Amavis+[DSPAM+SA]+ClamAV. Works pretty well and I have much more less false positives than gmail. This is my fetchmail config: poll pop.gmail.com proto pop3 user nbe...@gmail.com with pass *** fetchall ssl poll imap.gmail.com proto imap user nbe...@gmail.com with pass *** folder [Gmail]/Spam fetchall ssl Dale HTH, Regards, Norberto This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly
On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 23:02:38 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Well, instead of yesterday let's just say the past 5 months. I already did the rsync/format thing a few times over the last years, and the results are always the same: very fast filesystem for about a month, then it starts getting slower over time. I keep /usr/portage on a separate, small filesystem, using ext2. If it starts to slow down,I can simply reformat it and sync again. -- Neil Bothwick Some people are born mediocre, some people achieve mediocrity, and some people have mediocrity thrust upon them. - Joseph Heller, Catch-22 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Changing profiles
On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:32:36 -0800, Grant wrote: Check /var/lib/portage/world_sets That file doesn't exist on my system. Which version of portage are you using? Sets are a feature of the 2.2 branch, as is the separate @system and 'world. -- Neil Bothwick ... Never say anything more predictive than Watch this! signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Gmail and that stupid spam filter. :-@
This is OT but here I am anyway: Quoting Hilco Wijbenga hilco.wijbe...@gmail.com: When you see spam in your inbox do you use Report spam? When you see valid email in your spam do you use Not spam? I found it learns very quickly what I consider spam and what not. I also tend to go through the spam folder whenever there's 10 or more messages there. That would mean I need to live my life in the spam folder. I'm sorry but the filter should be smarter or there should be no filter at all. Yeah, I know gmail works for almost everybody else, but for some of us, it just doesn't do what it should. Is it raaay that hard for google to code a don't filter my messages option Regards, Norberto This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
Re: [gentoo-user] Thanks and bye for now
Quoting Mark Kirkwood mar...@paradise.net.nz: Due to a new work situation where extensive use is made of Debian, I feel the need to have a Debian-based play server. This unfortunately means my trusty Gentoo box is to be sacrificed :-( At work we abuse Ubuntu and that means I need to know it by heart, but I didn't trash my Gentoo install with that brainsucker. I just emerged virtualbox :-P Best wishes Best wishes to you too and good luck in your new job/position! Mark Best regards, Norberto This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
