Re: [gentoo-user] usb HD cannot boot without initramfs

2009-12-18 Thread Robert Bridge
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 1:59 AM, Kyle Bader  wrote:
> Is it rootdelay or scandelay?

rootdelay according to the stuff I found online. It's a delay to the
mounting of the root file-system.

And regarding 30s, I picked that on the basis of better too long than
too short. I had similar problems at one point, and found anything
less than 10 was unreliable, and even at 10 it would occasionally
fail.



Re: [gentoo-user] Blocks with xz-utils lzma-utils

2009-12-18 Thread Dale

Neil Bothwick wrote:

On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:35:20 -0600, Dale wrote:

  

I may just go back to a more stable setup.
  


Like the standard KDE 4 in portage?

  
Which doesn't do what I need for it to be usable? 



Like? I only switched to 4 recently, but I'm quite happy with it in the
main.
  


Already been discussed here and on the KDE list as well. 

  
Oh well.  I just wish they had supported KDE 3 longer cause KDE 4 is 
just not ready for what I do.  I get a screen full of crap about KDE

3 being masked when updating too.  Sort of bugs me.
  


Add the kde-sunset overlay and all that will disappear. KDE3 still
works on Gentoo, it's just not supported in portage any more.

  
I already have kde-sunset and I still get those messages.  I don't know 
if it is because it is leaving portage or if it is even being removed 
from kde-sunset.  I just know I get them and it increases each time I

sync.



You need to add stuff to package.unmask. AFAIR the overlay contains a
file that you can copy/symlink there. The messages should go away in due
course anyway, once KDE3 is actually removed from portage rather than
being there but masked.

  
I know this, KDE has left a really bad taste in my mouth with how they 
handled this release.  They should have supported KDE 3 until KDE-4.5, 
or at least KDE 4.4 was out and stable.  Right now, I can't go a day in 
KDE 4.  I'm always running into something that doesn't "work" yet.



I used to think that, but soon realised it does work, just slightly
differently. There are still some really annoying "features" though. But
if the Gentoo KDE team don't want to support it, that's there choice. If
you don't like it, you can always ask for your money back ;-)

  


I do understand that it works differently.  I got that part.  As 
mentioned above, I went through the issues on the KDE mailing list and 
the things I need are not functional yet.  They will be later on but 
they are not right now.  They do however work in KDE 3.  That's why I am 
having to keep it around.


Dale

:-)  :-) 



Re: [gentoo-user] usb HD cannot boot without initramfs

2009-12-18 Thread Kyle Bader
Is it rootdelay or scandelay?

On 12/18/09, Robert Bridge  wrote:
> Try passing a rootdelay option to the kernel to allow the kernels USB
> probe to complete before it tries to mount the USB device.
>
> e.g. kernel /boot/kernel root=/dev/usbhdd rootdelay=30 in grub
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Preparing a laptop for sale

2009-12-18 Thread Grant
> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda (or what ever)
>

 After reading over all the info here, I think I'm going to go with dd
 since the data isn't too sensitive.

 I created a "9.1_Live_x64" USB key with unetbootin, but the laptop
 won't boot to it.  I have another 512MB USB key that it boots to just
 fine.  Could my 8GB key be non-bootable?  The laptop's CD drive isn't
 working so I need another way to install an easy copy of Linux after I
 dd.

  - Grant

>>>
>>> I've dealt with many systems that flatly refuse to boot from *some*
>>> usb keys but not from others.. and some even vary based on what's
>>> being booted into on those usb keys.
>>>
>>
>> I used unetbootin to install Damn Small Linux on the 512MB bootable
>> USB key, and I'm booted into it.  /dev/sda is my HD, and I'm running:
>>
>> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda
>>
>> The USB LED is blinking rapidly, but the HD LED is showing no
>> activity.  Is there any way to tell if the HD is being wiped?
>>
>
> The hdd IS being wiped, if you have the right device (which you do, don't
> worry!). However, I would recommend running with if=/dev/urandom as that
> will overwrite it with random bits instead of just zero. However, since it's
> already being done with zeros and a hard drive would usually be sold with
> all bits set to zero, I think what you are doing will be fine.
>
> Marcus

I checked on it after a few hours and it said "No space left on
device" and the process had exited.  I rebooted the system without the
key inserted and unfortunately it came back up to the normal HD so
nothing has been wiped.  Any idea what I did wrong?

- Grant



Re: [gentoo-user] usb HD cannot boot without initramfs

2009-12-18 Thread Marcus Wanner

On 12/18/2009 7:39 PM, Robert Bridge wrote:

Try passing a rootdelay option to the kernel to allow the kernels USB
probe to complete before it tries to mount the USB device.

e.g. kernel /boot/kernel root=/dev/usbhdd rootdelay=30 in grub
   
30 seconds is a bit much, IMHO. USB probes in my experience never take 
more than 5.


Marcus



Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Preparing a laptop for sale

2009-12-18 Thread Marcus Wanner

On 12/18/2009 6:05 PM, Grant wrote:

dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda (or what ever)
 

After reading over all the info here, I think I'm going to go with dd
since the data isn't too sensitive.

I created a "9.1_Live_x64" USB key with unetbootin, but the laptop
won't boot to it.  I have another 512MB USB key that it boots to just
fine.  Could my 8GB key be non-bootable?  The laptop's CD drive isn't
working so I need another way to install an easy copy of Linux after I
dd.

  - Grant
   

I've dealt with many systems that flatly refuse to boot from *some*
usb keys but not from others.. and some even vary based on what's
being booted into on those usb keys.
 

I used unetbootin to install Damn Small Linux on the 512MB bootable
USB key, and I'm booted into it.  /dev/sda is my HD, and I'm running:

dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda

The USB LED is blinking rapidly, but the HD LED is showing no
activity.  Is there any way to tell if the HD is being wiped?
   
The hdd IS being wiped, if you have the right device (which you do, 
don't worry!). However, I would recommend running with if=/dev/urandom 
as that will overwrite it with random bits instead of just zero. 
However, since it's already being done with zeros and a hard drive would 
usually be sold with all bits set to zero, I think what you are doing 
will be fine.


Marcus



Re: [gentoo-user] Blocks with xz-utils lzma-utils

2009-12-18 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:35:20 -0600, Dale wrote:

> >> I may just go back to a more stable setup.
> >>   
> >
> > Like the standard KDE 4 in portage?
> > 
> 
> Which doesn't do what I need for it to be usable? 

Like? I only switched to 4 recently, but I'm quite happy with it in the
main.

> >> Oh well.  I just wish they had supported KDE 3 longer cause KDE 4 is 
> >> just not ready for what I do.  I get a screen full of crap about KDE
> >> 3 being masked when updating too.  Sort of bugs me.
> >>   
> >
> > Add the kde-sunset overlay and all that will disappear. KDE3 still
> > works on Gentoo, it's just not supported in portage any more.
> > 
> 
> I already have kde-sunset and I still get those messages.  I don't know 
> if it is because it is leaving portage or if it is even being removed 
> from kde-sunset.  I just know I get them and it increases each time I
> sync.

You need to add stuff to package.unmask. AFAIR the overlay contains a
file that you can copy/symlink there. The messages should go away in due
course anyway, once KDE3 is actually removed from portage rather than
being there but masked.

> I know this, KDE has left a really bad taste in my mouth with how they 
> handled this release.  They should have supported KDE 3 until KDE-4.5, 
> or at least KDE 4.4 was out and stable.  Right now, I can't go a day in 
> KDE 4.  I'm always running into something that doesn't "work" yet.

I used to think that, but soon realised it does work, just slightly
differently. There are still some really annoying "features" though. But
if the Gentoo KDE team don't want to support it, that's there choice. If
you don't like it, you can always ask for your money back ;-)


-- 
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"This project is so important, we can't let things that are more
important interfere with it."


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Re: [gentoo-user] usb HD cannot boot without initramfs

2009-12-18 Thread Robert Bridge
Try passing a rootdelay option to the kernel to allow the kernels USB
probe to complete before it tries to mount the USB device.

e.g. kernel /boot/kernel root=/dev/usbhdd rootdelay=30 in grub



Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Preparing a laptop for sale

2009-12-18 Thread Albert Hopkins
On Fri, 2009-12-18 at 15:05 -0800, Grant wrote:
> I used unetbootin to install Damn Small Linux on the 512MB bootable
> USB key, and I'm booted into it.  /dev/sda is my HD, and I'm running:
> 
> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda
> 
> The USB LED is blinking rapidly, but the HD LED is showing no
> activity.  Is there any way to tell if the HD is being wiped?
> 
> 
I hate to say this, but are you wiping the wrong device?!

There should be pretty much 0 activity on the USD stick (/dev/zero is
kernel) and plenty of writes to the HDD.




Re: [gentoo-user] usb HD cannot boot without initramfs

2009-12-18 Thread Kyle Bader
Scsi support maybe?

On 12/17/09, Bruce Hill  wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 09:14:48AM +0800, Xi Shen wrote:
>> ok. but it looks like the gmail web client encourage top post ;)
>
> That doesn't make it easy to read. This is how we see it when you top-post:
>
> A: Because you are doing it wrong.
>
>> >> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Alan McKinnon
>> >> 
>> >> wrote:
>
> then you didn't trim other junk that is irrelevant.
>
> Q. Why is my mouse eating all the cheese when I configured it "no cheese"?
>
>> i compiled the uhci and ehci into the kernel. i need to double check
>> the usb_storage thing. maybe this is the thing i missed.
>
> UHCI is for Intel and VIA ... OHCI for others (these are both USB 1.0{1}
> EHCI is for all USB 2.0
>
> Make sure you have the correct UHCI/OHCI ... you only need one of those.
> --
> "Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the
> lesson afterward. But properly learned, the lesson forever changes
> the man."
>
>

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Kyle



Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Preparing a laptop for sale

2009-12-18 Thread Dale

Grant wrote:

dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda (or what ever)


After reading over all the info here, I think I'm going to go with dd
since the data isn't too sensitive.

I created a "9.1_Live_x64" USB key with unetbootin, but the laptop
won't boot to it.  I have another 512MB USB key that it boots to just
fine.  Could my 8GB key be non-bootable?  The laptop's CD drive isn't
working so I need another way to install an easy copy of Linux after I
dd.

 - Grant
  

I've dealt with many systems that flatly refuse to boot from *some*
usb keys but not from others.. and some even vary based on what's
being booted into on those usb keys.



I used unetbootin to install Damn Small Linux on the 512MB bootable
USB key, and I'm booted into it.  /dev/sda is my HD, and I'm running:

dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda

The USB LED is blinking rapidly, but the HD LED is showing no
activity.  Is there any way to tell if the HD is being wiped?

- Grant

  


Someone may correct me but I don't think it will blink since it is not 
mounted.


On the other hand, you sure you are erasing the hard drive and not the 
USB thingy?  I ask cause it sounds like something I would do.  I 
recently erased /home instead of the /backup/home.  lol  Small typo there.


Dale

:-)  :-) 



[gentoo-user] Selecting "Shut Down" from the gnome menu sometimes shuts down the computer and other times just logs out.

2009-12-18 Thread ubiquitous1980
I am currently using 64-Bit Gentoo and when shut down is selected from
the menu in gnome, sometimes the computer flickers to the login screen
then shuts down, other times it just shuts down.  Why is it behaving
like this and how do I fix it?

Thanks,

Ubiquitous1980




Re: [gentoo-user] fstab and cdrom question

2009-12-18 Thread Kyle Bader
I'm on the train so its hard to check the man pages but can't you use
udevtrigger or a similar tool so rebooting isn't required?

On 12/17/09, Nikos Chantziaras  wrote:
> On 12/17/2009 08:42 PM, Denis wrote:
>> Hello folks,
>>
>> Quick question.
>>
>> My main HD is SATA and gets /dev/sda in fstab.  My CDROM, which is the
>> only device on the IDE bus, seems to be /dev/hda.  That's what
>> Audacious declared when it was looking for a CD to play.  I had CDROM
>> device forced to /dev/cdrom in Audacious, unwittingly, before and was
>> wondering why my CDs were not playing!  However, my fstab is still
>> "/dev/cdrom  /mnt/cdrom  autonoauto,user
>>0 0" - so should I switch this to /dev/hda instead of /dev/cdrom?
>> If so, should some link be made to /dev/cdrom, if other programs may
>> be querying /dev/cdrom for the sake of Linux standard convention, or
>> is /dev/cdrom already a link, which was broken in my case?
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Denis
>
> You don't need an fstab entry at all.  These days, when you insert a CD,
> it will get mounted automatically and appear in /media, just like USB
> storage devices.
>
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Preparing a laptop for sale

2009-12-18 Thread Grant
>>> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda (or what ever)
>>
>> After reading over all the info here, I think I'm going to go with dd
>> since the data isn't too sensitive.
>>
>> I created a "9.1_Live_x64" USB key with unetbootin, but the laptop
>> won't boot to it.  I have another 512MB USB key that it boots to just
>> fine.  Could my 8GB key be non-bootable?  The laptop's CD drive isn't
>> working so I need another way to install an easy copy of Linux after I
>> dd.
>>
>>  - Grant
>
> I've dealt with many systems that flatly refuse to boot from *some*
> usb keys but not from others.. and some even vary based on what's
> being booted into on those usb keys.

I used unetbootin to install Damn Small Linux on the 512MB bootable
USB key, and I'm booted into it.  /dev/sda is my HD, and I'm running:

dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda

The USB LED is blinking rapidly, but the HD LED is showing no
activity.  Is there any way to tell if the HD is being wiped?

- Grant



Re: [gentoo-user] High load, idle CPU?

2009-12-18 Thread Kyle Bader
Ps auxr

On 12/18/09, Paul Hartman  wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Florian Philipp
>  wrote:
>> Hi list!
>>
>> My virtual server seems to have a problem and I don't know how to find it.
>>
>> Today, while trying to create a new postgresql database I noticed that
>> certain system operations seem to take ages. Normal work on the shell
>> works just fine but for example accessing the postgresql server through
>> psql, restarting tomcat, postgresql or zope all show the very same
>> behavior:
>> Execution freezes, the load average climbs to 1-1.9 and after a few
>> minutes (maybe longer) the task finishes correctly. During all this
>> time, top reports that the CPUs are 100% idle.
>>
>> Other services, for example rsyncd or openvpn, work normally. I also
>> tried restarting the VM. Shutdown took maybe 10 or 15 minutes. Booting
>> was much faster with only a few minutes until all services were up and
>> running. However, it didn't solve the problem.
>>
>> So, my question is: How can I find out what is causing this? Can I
>> somehow trace it? Find out why a process waits?
>
> top, iotop, latencytop, powertop
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] Blocks with xz-utils lzma-utils

2009-12-18 Thread Dale

Neil Bothwick wrote:

On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:44:41 -0600, Dale wrote:

How did this end up in the lzma/xz thread?

  
Well, this ain't working as well as I would like.  I'm getting a lot of 
failures.  Something like this:


 * subversion check out start -->
 *  repository: svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdesdk
svn: Network connection closed unexpectedly
 * ERROR: kde-base/kate- failed:
 *   subversion: can't fetch to 
/usr/portage/distfiles/svn-src/kdesdk/kdesdk from 
svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdesdk.



Why are you trying to install the svn version?
  


Well, I was hoping I could get a newer version of KDE 4 that would 
actually DO something.  lol 

  

I may just go back to a more stable setup.



Like the standard KDE 4 in portage?
  


Which doesn't do what I need for it to be usable? 

  
Oh well.  I just wish they had supported KDE 3 longer cause KDE 4 is 
just not ready for what I do.  I get a screen full of crap about KDE 3 
being masked when updating too.  Sort of bugs me.



Add the kde-sunset overlay and all that will disappear. KDE3 still works
on Gentoo, it's just not supported in portage any more.
  


I already have kde-sunset and I still get those messages.  I don't know 
if it is because it is leaving portage or if it is even being removed 
from kde-sunset.  I just know I get them and it increases each time I sync.


I know this, KDE has left a really bad taste in my mouth with how they 
handled this release.  They should have supported KDE 3 until KDE-4.5, 
or at least KDE 4.4 was out and stable.  Right now, I can't go a day in 
KDE 4.  I'm always running into something that doesn't "work" yet.


This isn't as bad as hal but it's dang close.

Dale

:-) :-)



Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo on ssds? intel anyone?

2009-12-18 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 19.11.2009 23:47, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:

> I am thinking of getting one of those shiny new SSDs for my main
> workstation.

A status quo followup:

Received my Intel Postville 80G G2 today.

Copied my gentoo-root-fs to it (mkfs-ext4, then rsync), and my /home as
well.

It boots and works OK but I have to admit that I am not as impressed as
I had imagined to be.

The relevant mounts (sdc=ssd, sda & sdb: SATA-hdds, building parts of
the LVM-vgs):

# mount
rootfs on / type rootfs (rw)
/dev/sdc1 on / type ext4 (rw,noatime,nodiratime,barrier=1,data=ordered)
proc on /proc type proc (rw,relatime)
rc-svcdir on /lib64/rc/init.d type tmpfs
(rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,size=1024k,mode=755)
sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime)
securityfs on /sys/kernel/security type securityfs
(rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime)
udev on /dev type devtmpfs
(rw,nosuid,relatime,size=10240k,nr_inodes=1014583)
devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,nosuid,noexec,relatime,gid=5,mode=620)
shm on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime)
tmpfs on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,mode=1777)
none on /mnt/ramportage type tmpfs (rw,nr_inodes=1M,size=4000m,mode=1777)
/dev/mapper/ssd-home on /home type ext4 (rw,noatime)
/dev/mapper/VG02-var on /var type ext4 (rw,noatime)
/dev/mapper/noraid-src on /usr/src type xfs (rw,noatime)
/dev/mapper/noraid-portage on /usr/portage type ext4 (rw,noatime)
usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,devmode=0664,devgid=85)
rpc_pipefs on /var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs type rpc_pipefs (rw)
nfsd on /proc/fs/nfsd type nfsd (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)


I was too curious at first to have a look for firmware so I did the
firmware-update from 02HA to 02HD *after* having copied my root-fs.

Could that matter? I am not sure.

I am also not so sure about those ext4-parameters.

Could anyone comment?

Thanks a lot, Stefan



Re: [gentoo-user] High load, idle CPU?

2009-12-18 Thread Joshua Murphy
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Florian Philipp
 wrote:
> Hi list!
>
> My virtual server seems to have a problem and I don't know how to find it.
>
> Today, while trying to create a new postgresql database I noticed that
> certain system operations seem to take ages. Normal work on the shell
> works just fine but for example accessing the postgresql server through
> psql, restarting tomcat, postgresql or zope all show the very same behavior:
> Execution freezes, the load average climbs to 1-1.9 and after a few
> minutes (maybe longer) the task finishes correctly. During all this
> time, top reports that the CPUs are 100% idle.
>
> Other services, for example rsyncd or openvpn, work normally. I also
> tried restarting the VM. Shutdown took maybe 10 or 15 minutes. Booting
> was much faster with only a few minutes until all services were up and
> running. However, it didn't solve the problem.
>
> So, my question is: How can I find out what is causing this? Can I
> somehow trace it? Find out why a process waits?
>
> Keep in mind that this is a virtual server. I have no control over the
> kernel. Oh, and before you ask: The only recent update was rkhunter from
> 1.2.9-r1 to 1.3.4-r2. I also enabled the chkrootkit weekly cronjob.
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Florian Philipp

Well... it'll cause a MASS of output to sift through .. but strace is
likely the most powerful tool for the job of simply seeing what a
process is calling and when (notably, what call is left waiting to
return as the whole process blocks). I'd also take a look at iotop,
though the fact that top shows the cpu as idle rather than sitting in
iowait makes me doubt that iotop would tell you too much.

-- 
Poison [BLX]
Joshua M. Murphy



Re: [gentoo-user] Blocks with xz-utils lzma-utils

2009-12-18 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:44:41 -0600, Dale wrote:

How did this end up in the lzma/xz thread?

> Well, this ain't working as well as I would like.  I'm getting a lot of 
> failures.  Something like this:
> 
>  * subversion check out start -->
>  *  repository: svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdesdk
> svn: Network connection closed unexpectedly
>  * ERROR: kde-base/kate- failed:
>  *   subversion: can't fetch to 
> /usr/portage/distfiles/svn-src/kdesdk/kdesdk from 
> svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdesdk.

Why are you trying to install the svn version?

> I may just go back to a more stable setup.

Like the standard KDE 4 in portage?

> Oh well.  I just wish they had supported KDE 3 longer cause KDE 4 is 
> just not ready for what I do.  I get a screen full of crap about KDE 3 
> being masked when updating too.  Sort of bugs me.

Add the kde-sunset overlay and all that will disappear. KDE3 still works
on Gentoo, it's just not supported in portage any more.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

"When you play a Microsoft CD backwards you can hear demonic Voices...
that's nothing - when you play it forward it installs Windows"


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Trying to make portage use "puf" instead of "wget"

2009-12-18 Thread Marcus Wanner

On 12/18/2009 1:38 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:

On 12/18/2009 05:40 PM, Ronan Mainbourg wrote:

Because my Internet connection is not very fast, I'd like to make
portage fetch files using net-misc/puf (wich can dl several chunks of a
file at the same time) instead of wget.
You got it backwards.  Downloading more than one chunk at the same 
time is only useful on *fast* connections, not *slow* ones.
I hate to say it but he is correct...puf won't do you any good unless 
the speed at which to file is being downloaded is less than the maximum 
speed for your net connection :(


Marcus



Re: [gentoo-user] High load, idle CPU?

2009-12-18 Thread Paul Hartman
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Florian Philipp
 wrote:
> Hi list!
>
> My virtual server seems to have a problem and I don't know how to find it.
>
> Today, while trying to create a new postgresql database I noticed that
> certain system operations seem to take ages. Normal work on the shell
> works just fine but for example accessing the postgresql server through
> psql, restarting tomcat, postgresql or zope all show the very same behavior:
> Execution freezes, the load average climbs to 1-1.9 and after a few
> minutes (maybe longer) the task finishes correctly. During all this
> time, top reports that the CPUs are 100% idle.
>
> Other services, for example rsyncd or openvpn, work normally. I also
> tried restarting the VM. Shutdown took maybe 10 or 15 minutes. Booting
> was much faster with only a few minutes until all services were up and
> running. However, it didn't solve the problem.
>
> So, my question is: How can I find out what is causing this? Can I
> somehow trace it? Find out why a process waits?

top, iotop, latencytop, powertop



Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Preparing a laptop for sale

2009-12-18 Thread Albert Hopkins
On Fri, 2009-12-18 at 12:20 -0600, Dale wrote:
> Wouldn't Knoppix work?  I'm pretty sure it has the dd command and I
> know 
> you can install Gentoo from it.  Since there are some versions of 
> Knoppis that would fit on a CD, I would see if one of those would fit
> on 
> the 512Mb thingy.
> 
> Damn Small Linux may be a option too.  Not sure about installing from
> it 
> tho.  I guess the network and stuff would work from it.
> 
> Just some thoughts.
> 
> Dale 

I recommend RipLinux.  It's easy to install on a stick and you don't
even need to reformat/remove what's already on it.  And it fits snug in
a 100MB directory.

It also makes for a great "rescue" partition on your HDD.




Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Preparing a laptop for sale

2009-12-18 Thread Albert Hopkins
On Fri, 2009-12-18 at 09:08 -0800, Grant wrote:
> 
> After reading over all the info here, I think I'm going to go with dd
> since the data isn't too sensitive.
> 
> I created a "9.1_Live_x64" USB key with unetbootin, but the laptop
> won't boot to it.  I have another 512MB USB key that it boots to just
> fine.  Could my 8GB key be non-bootable?  The laptop's CD drive isn't
> working so I need another way to install an easy copy of Linux after I
> dd.

They should appear the same.. I'm guessing this is a hardware/BIOS
issue.  I have different sized USB sticks and drives they boot fine.
Maybe your BIOS has a 2G boot partition limitation (or whatever the size
is)?  You may need to "partition" your 8G stick LOL.




[gentoo-user] High load, idle CPU?

2009-12-18 Thread Florian Philipp
Hi list!

My virtual server seems to have a problem and I don't know how to find it.

Today, while trying to create a new postgresql database I noticed that
certain system operations seem to take ages. Normal work on the shell
works just fine but for example accessing the postgresql server through
psql, restarting tomcat, postgresql or zope all show the very same behavior:
Execution freezes, the load average climbs to 1-1.9 and after a few
minutes (maybe longer) the task finishes correctly. During all this
time, top reports that the CPUs are 100% idle.

Other services, for example rsyncd or openvpn, work normally. I also
tried restarting the VM. Shutdown took maybe 10 or 15 minutes. Booting
was much faster with only a few minutes until all services were up and
running. However, it didn't solve the problem.

So, my question is: How can I find out what is causing this? Can I
somehow trace it? Find out why a process waits?

Keep in mind that this is a virtual server. I have no control over the
kernel. Oh, and before you ask: The only recent update was rkhunter from
1.2.9-r1 to 1.3.4-r2. I also enabled the chkrootkit weekly cronjob.

Thanks in advance!
Florian Philipp



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Re: [gentoo-user] Blocks with xz-utils lzma-utils

2009-12-18 Thread Dale



Well, this ain't working as well as I would like.  I'm getting a lot of
failures.  Something like this:

* subversion check out start -->
*  repository: svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdesdk
svn: Network connection closed unexpectedly
* ERROR: kde-base/kate- failed:
*   subversion: can't fetch to
/usr/portage/distfiles/svn-src/kdesdk/kdesdk from
svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdesdk.


I may just go back to a more stable setup.  My network is working fine
for everything else.  It's not just this one package, it is several of them.

Oh well.  I just wish they had supported KDE 3 longer cause KDE 4 is
just not ready for what I do.  I get a screen full of crap about KDE 3
being masked when updating too.  Sort of bugs me.

Dale

:-)  :-)


Just in case someone is searching and runs up on this, I figured out 
where the problem was.  It helps if /usr/portage is not 100% full.  So, 
if you see that error, clean out some cruft in /usr/portage and carry on.


Then again, maybe not.  It made it further but still failed with a 
completely different error tho.  This time with some space left.  No 
clue on the problem now.  Maybe time for a new thread?


Dale

:-)  :-)



Re: [gentoo-user] Trying to make portage use "puf" instead of "wget"

2009-12-18 Thread Paul Hartman
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Ronan Mainbourg
 wrote:
> Because my Internet connection is not very fast, I'd like to make portage
> fetch files using net-misc/puf (wich can dl several chunks of a file at the
> same time) instead of wget.
> I tried to do this setting the parameter FETCHCOMMAND in my make.conf, but
> it doesn't work:
>
> FETCHCOMMAND="/usr/bin/puf \${URI} -P \${DISTDIR}/\${FILE}"
>
> ... Give me when I try emerging a package (here"media-libs/libdvbpsi" for
> instance):
> !!! Couldn't download 'libdvbpsi5-0.1.6.tar.bz2'. Aborting.
>
>
> Any Ideas ?

I think the syntax should be:

FETCHCOMMAND="/usr/bin/puf \${URI} -P \${DISTDIR} -O \${FILE}"

That works for me if I run emerge as normal user. If I run as root, it
crashes... weird.



[gentoo-user] Re: Trying to make portage use "puf" instead of "wget"

2009-12-18 Thread Nikos Chantziaras

On 12/18/2009 05:40 PM, Ronan Mainbourg wrote:

Because my Internet connection is not very fast, I'd like to make
portage fetch files using net-misc/puf (wich can dl several chunks of a
file at the same time) instead of wget.


You got it backwards.  Downloading more than one chunk at the same time 
is only useful on *fast* connections, not *slow* ones.





Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Preparing a laptop for sale

2009-12-18 Thread Grant
>>> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda (or what ever)
>>>
>>
>> After reading over all the info here, I think I'm going to go with dd
>> since the data isn't too sensitive.
>>
>> I created a "9.1_Live_x64" USB key with unetbootin, but the laptop
>> won't boot to it.  I have another 512MB USB key that it boots to just
>> fine.  Could my 8GB key be non-bootable?  The laptop's CD drive isn't
>> working so I need another way to install an easy copy of Linux after I
>> dd.
>>
>>  - Grant
>>
>>
>
> Wouldn't Knoppix work?  I'm pretty sure it has the dd command and I know you
> can install Gentoo from it.  Since there are some versions of Knoppis that
> would fit on a CD, I would see if one of those would fit on the 512Mb
> thingy.

I really don't want to go through the entire Gentoo installation just
to ship this thing off.  I'm looking for something along the lines of
click, click click

So you think there could be a non-software (hardware? firmware?)
difference between the two USB keys that allows one to be booted from
and not the other?

- Grant


> Damn Small Linux may be a option too.  Not sure about installing from it
> tho.  I guess the network and stuff would work from it.
>
> Just some thoughts.
>
> Dale



Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Preparing a laptop for sale

2009-12-18 Thread Joshua Murphy
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Grant  wrote:
>> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda (or what ever)
>
> After reading over all the info here, I think I'm going to go with dd
> since the data isn't too sensitive.
>
> I created a "9.1_Live_x64" USB key with unetbootin, but the laptop
> won't boot to it.  I have another 512MB USB key that it boots to just
> fine.  Could my 8GB key be non-bootable?  The laptop's CD drive isn't
> working so I need another way to install an easy copy of Linux after I
> dd.
>
>  - Grant

I've dealt with many systems that flatly refuse to boot from *some*
usb keys but not from others.. and some even vary based on what's
being booted into on those usb keys.

-- 
Poison [BLX]
Joshua M. Murphy



Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Preparing a laptop for sale

2009-12-18 Thread Dale

Grant wrote:

dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda (or what ever)



After reading over all the info here, I think I'm going to go with dd
since the data isn't too sensitive.

I created a "9.1_Live_x64" USB key with unetbootin, but the laptop
won't boot to it.  I have another 512MB USB key that it boots to just
fine.  Could my 8GB key be non-bootable?  The laptop's CD drive isn't
working so I need another way to install an easy copy of Linux after I
dd.

 - Grant

  


Wouldn't Knoppix work?  I'm pretty sure it has the dd command and I know 
you can install Gentoo from it.  Since there are some versions of 
Knoppis that would fit on a CD, I would see if one of those would fit on 
the 512Mb thingy.


Damn Small Linux may be a option too.  Not sure about installing from it 
tho.  I guess the network and stuff would work from it.


Just some thoughts.

Dale

:-)  :-)



Re: [gentoo-user] Trying to make portage use "puf" instead of "wget"

2009-12-18 Thread Marcus Wanner

On 12/18/2009 10:40 AM, Ronan Mainbourg wrote:

Because my Internet connection is not very fast, I'd like to make portage
fetch files using net-misc/puf (wich can dl several chunks of a file at the
same time) instead of wget.

I tried to do this setting the parameter FETCHCOMMAND in my make.conf, but
it doesn't work:

FETCHCOMMAND="/usr/bin/puf \${URI} -P \${DISTDIR}/\${FILE}"

... Give me when I try emerging a package (here"media-libs/libdvbpsi" for
instance):

!!! Couldn't download 'libdvbpsi5-0.1.6.tar.bz2'. Aborting.

Any Ideas ?
   
Does it actually download the file but put it in the wrong place? Can 
you attach a complete log?


Marcus



Re: [gentoo-user] Where is my /dev/fd0?

2009-12-18 Thread Marcus Wanner

On 12/18/2009 4:32 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:45:31 -0500, Marcus Wanner wrote:

   

For the same reason that support for punched card readers is disabled
by default.

   

But they're so useful...and the computer we got a year ago had one. Do
things really go obsolete like that after decades of prevalence?
 

Yes, thankfully. Floppy disks have no real place nowadays, they are
bulky, unreliable and store very little. If you want support for legacy
hardware, it is there at the flick of a (config) switch but enabling by
default makes no sense, especially on Gentoo where default tends to mean
"starting point" more that "standard configuration".
   
Ok, I guess I'm just a bit behind the times/did not go through my make 
menuconfig thoroughly enough...


Marcus



Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Preparing a laptop for sale

2009-12-18 Thread Grant
> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda (or what ever)

After reading over all the info here, I think I'm going to go with dd
since the data isn't too sensitive.

I created a "9.1_Live_x64" USB key with unetbootin, but the laptop
won't boot to it.  I have another 512MB USB key that it boots to just
fine.  Could my 8GB key be non-bootable?  The laptop's CD drive isn't
working so I need another way to install an easy copy of Linux after I
dd.

 - Grant


>> I'm about to sell my old laptop and I'd like to wipe out the data and
>> install any flavor of Linux via USB (the CD drive doesn't work any
>> more).  I've got a bootable USB key that will get me into Gentoo.  How
>> would you take it from there?  I'm looking for something quick and
>> easy.  My data isn't too sensitive, but I'd like to do some type of
>> wiping so it isn't all just sitting there with a deleted flag or
>> however that works.
>>
>> - Grant



Re: [gentoo-user] Blocks with xz-utils lzma-utils

2009-12-18 Thread Dale

Neil Bothwick wrote:

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:12:19 -0600, Dale wrote:

  
You are both right.  I tried installing a later version on the blockers 
but not the packages that depended on them.  So, I added the following 
to my package.keyword and package.unmask files:


=app-portage/eix-0.18.3
=app-arch/libarchive-2.7.1

Portage is now happy.  Every time I think I have figured out portage
and these blocker messages, I get thrown a curve ball. lol 



Ah, the fun of running a mixed arch/~arch system :)

BTW ~ is usually better than = in this situation.

  


Well, this ain't working as well as I would like.  I'm getting a lot of 
failures.  Something like this:


* subversion check out start -->
*  repository: svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdesdk
svn: Network connection closed unexpectedly
* ERROR: kde-base/kate- failed:
*   subversion: can't fetch to 
/usr/portage/distfiles/svn-src/kdesdk/kdesdk from 
svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdesdk.



I may just go back to a more stable setup.  My network is working fine 
for everything else.  It's not just this one package, it is several of them.


Oh well.  I just wish they had supported KDE 3 longer cause KDE 4 is 
just not ready for what I do.  I get a screen full of crap about KDE 3 
being masked when updating too.  Sort of bugs me.


Dale

:-)  :-) 



Re: [gentoo-user] Trying to make portage use "puf" instead of "wget"

2009-12-18 Thread Paul Hartman
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Ronan Mainbourg
 wrote:
> Because my Internet connection is not very fast, I'd like to make portage
> fetch files using net-misc/puf (wich can dl several chunks of a file at the
> same time) instead of wget.
> I tried to do this setting the parameter FETCHCOMMAND in my make.conf, but
> it doesn't work:

puf crashes every time for me with this, maybe you have the same problem?

*** glibc detected *** puf: double free or corruption (top):
0x0169d730 ***
=== Backtrace: =
/lib/libc.so.6(+0x72406)[0x7f0a980bd406]
/lib/libc.so.6(cfree+0x6c)[0x7f0a980c21ac]
puf[0x40ec8b]
puf[0x40204b]
/lib/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xfd)[0x7f0a98069bbd]
puf[0x401da9]
=== Memory map: 
0040-00415000 r-xp  08:05 5292661
  /usr/bin/puf
00614000-00615000 r--p 00014000 08:05 5292661
  /usr/bin/puf
00615000-00616000 rw-p 00015000 08:05 5292661
  /usr/bin/puf
0169d000-016be000 rw-p  00:00 0  [heap]
7f0a93de9000-7f0a93dff000 r-xp  08:05 5145230
  /lib64/libgcc_s.so.1
7f0a93dff000-7f0a93ffe000 ---p 00016000 08:05 5145230
  /lib64/libgcc_s.so.1
7f0a93ffe000-7f0a93fff000 r--p 00015000 08:05 5145230
  /lib64/libgcc_s.so.1
7f0a93fff000-7f0a9400 rw-p 00016000 08:05 5145230
  /lib64/libgcc_s.so.1
7f0a9400-7f0a94021000 rw-p  00:00 0
7f0a94021000-7f0a9800 ---p  00:00 0
7f0a9804b000-7f0a9819b000 r-xp  08:05 4260926
  /lib64/libc-2.11.so
7f0a9819b000-7f0a9839a000 ---p 0015 08:05 4260926
  /lib64/libc-2.11.so
7f0a9839a000-7f0a9839e000 r--p 0014f000 08:05 4260926
  /lib64/libc-2.11.so
7f0a9839e000-7f0a9839f000 rw-p 00153000 08:05 4260926
  /lib64/libc-2.11.so
7f0a9839f000-7f0a983a4000 rw-p  00:00 0
7f0a983a4000-7f0a983c2000 r-xp  08:05 4260927
  /lib64/ld-2.11.so
7f0a98585000-7f0a98588000 rw-p  00:00 0
7f0a985bf000-7f0a985c1000 rw-p  00:00 0
7f0a985c1000-7f0a985c2000 r--p 0001d000 08:05 4260927
  /lib64/ld-2.11.so
7f0a985c2000-7f0a985c3000 rw-p 0001e000 08:05 4260927
  /lib64/ld-2.11.so
7f0a985c3000-7f0a985c4000 rw-p  00:00 0
75929000-75941000 rw-p  00:00 0  [stack]
759ff000-75a0 r-xp  00:00 0  [vdso]
ff60-ff601000 r-xp  00:00 0
  [vsyscall]



Re: [gentoo-user] Blocks with xz-utils lzma-utils

2009-12-18 Thread Paul Hartman
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 3:12 AM, Helmut Jarausch
 wrote:
> I had a similar problem since I wanted to use the -J option of tar
> (telling it to use the xz compressor)

There's also a --use-compress-prog switch for tar so you can make it
use any program you like. (unless that's a new option too?)



[gentoo-user] Trying to make portage use "puf" instead of "wget"

2009-12-18 Thread Ronan Mainbourg
Because my Internet connection is not very fast, I'd like to make portage
fetch files using net-misc/puf (wich can dl several chunks of a file at the
same time) instead of wget.

I tried to do this setting the parameter FETCHCOMMAND in my make.conf, but
it doesn't work:


FETCHCOMMAND="/usr/bin/puf \${URI} -P \${DISTDIR}/\${FILE}"


... Give me when I try emerging a package (here"media-libs/libdvbpsi" for
instance):

!!! Couldn't download 'libdvbpsi5-0.1.6.tar.bz2'. Aborting.



Any Ideas ?


-- 
Ronan Mainbourg
Sent from Tananarive, Madagascar


Re: [gentoo-user] Where is my /dev/fd0?

2009-12-18 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:45:31 -0500, Marcus Wanner wrote:

> > For the same reason that support for punched card readers is disabled
> > by default.
> >  
> But they're so useful...and the computer we got a year ago had one. Do 
> things really go obsolete like that after decades of prevalence?

Yes, thankfully. Floppy disks have no real place nowadays, they are
bulky, unreliable and store very little. If you want support for legacy
hardware, it is there at the flick of a (config) switch but enabling by
default makes no sense, especially on Gentoo where default tends to mean
"starting point" more that "standard configuration".


-- 
Neil Bothwick

When there's a will, I want to be in it.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Blocks with xz-utils lzma-utils

2009-12-18 Thread Helmut Jarausch
On 17 Dec, Dale wrote:
> I'm trying to get KDE 4 where I can use it so I used the layman to get 
> the latest.  Anyway, I seem to have ran into a Block, may not be related 
> to KDE4 tho, that I just can't make sense of.  This is the error I get:
> 
> [blocks b ] kde-base/kde-meta:4.3[-kdeprefix] 
> ("kde-base/kde-meta:4.3[-kdeprefix]" is blocking kde-base/kde-meta-)
> [blocks B ] app-arch/lzma-utils ("app-arch/lzma-utils" is blocking 
> app-arch/xz-utils-)
> [blocks B ] app-arch/xz-utils ("app-arch/xz-utils" is blocking 
> app-arch/lzma-utils-4.32.7)
> 
> Total: 278 packages (17 upgrades, 19 new, 242 in new slots, 248 
> uninstalls), Size of downloads: 240,422 kB
> Conflict: 511 blocks (2 unsatisfied)
> Portage tree and overlays:
>  [0] /usr/portage
>  [1] /usr/local/portage/layman/kde
> 
>  * Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be
>  * installed at the same time on the same system.
> 
>   ('ebuild', '/', 'app-arch/xz-utils-', 'merge') pulled in by
> app-arch/xz-utils required by ('installed', '/', 
> 'app-arch/rpm2targz-9.0.0.3g', 'nomerge')
> app-arch/xz-utils required by ('installed', '/', 
> 'sys-libs/gpm-1.20.5', 'nomerge')
> app-arch/xz-utils required by ('installed', '/', 
> 'dev-libs/mpfr-2.4.1_p1', 'nomerge')
> (and 10 more)
> 
>   ('ebuild', '/', 'app-arch/lzma-utils-4.32.7', 'merge') pulled in by
> app-arch/lzma-utils required by ('installed', '/', 
> 'app-portage/eix-0.17.0', 'nomerge')
> app-arch/lzma-utils required by ('installed', '/', 
> 'app-arch/libarchive-2.7.0-r1', 'nomerge')
> 
> 
> I didn't post the whole thing but the part about the Blocks with a 
> capital B.  I have unmerged both lzma-utils and xz-utils but I still get 
> this error.  How can they block it when they are not installed yet?  I'm 
> missing something here.  I just don't see it. 
> 
> I found a thread on the forums and did what it said but I still get 
> this.  It said to unmerge xz-utils which I did.  Then I unmerged 
> lzma-utils for good measure.
> 
> Someone tell me the trick to this?  Thanks.
> 
> Dale

I had a similar problem since I wanted to use the -J option of tar
(telling it to use the xz compressor)
Someone replied to my bug report that once app-arch/xz-utils becomes
stable it will replace lzma-utils. But I needed both now.
So, I installed app-arch/xz-utils outside of portage with the
prefix /usr/local. Then I told portage about it by

echo "app-arch/xz-utils-" > /etc/portage/profile/package.provided

That works.

Helmut.

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RWTH - Aachen University
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: freeglut fails to compile because X11/extensions/XInput.h not found

2009-12-18 Thread covici
Alan McKinnon  wrote:

> On Friday 18 December 2009 04:28:32 walt wrote:
> > On 12/17/2009 02:17 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > > solar flares
> > > cosmic rays
> > > a quantum level event
> > > leprechauns
> > > tooth fairies
> > > jubbjubb monsters
> > 
> > Single malt, I hope?  ;o)
> > 
> 
> Sadly, no. I come from a long line of fine single malt liqueur makers but 
> can't imbibe the stuff (it makes me wickedly ill even in small doses)
In small doses its great, but I can't do too much of it either -- I save
it for Robert Burnsbirthday which is always quite fun.

-- 
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How do
you spend it?

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