[gentoo-user] Playing Apple Trailers
What's the trick for playing Apple Trailers these days? It used to work fine years ago, but now all I get is a pop-up telling me to download Apple's Quicktime player. :-( I looked for mplayer USE flags to enable it, but can't find any. I did find media-libs/libquicktime, but I am not sure if this is needed or which video player will use it. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Playing Apple Trailers
On 03/22/2010 07:58 AM, Mick wrote: What's the trick for playing Apple Trailers these days? It used to work fine years ago, but now all I get is a pop-up telling me to download Apple's Quicktime player. :-( I looked for mplayer USE flags to enable it, but can't find any. I did find media-libs/libquicktime, but I am not sure if this is needed or which video player will use it. You have to use $ mplayer -user-agent=QuickTime/7.6.2 http://trailers.apple.com/movies/disney/aliceinwonderland/aliceinwonderland-clip1_480p.mov $ echo user-agent=QuickTime/7.6.2 ~/.mplayer/config The links on the web pages don't work for me - I search for the URL in the HTML-source :( Bye, Daniel -- PGP key @ http://pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de/pks/lookup?search=0xBB9D4887op=get # gpg --recv-keys --keyserver hkp://subkeys.pgp.net 0xBB9D4887 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: lm_sensors and w83627hf not loadable
On 21 Mar, Harry Putnam wrote: Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: Forgot to give kernel version: uname -r 2.6.33-gentoo I see lots of bug reports about this in several linux OSs but not able to see a solution. I've make the propers kernel settings and the w83627hf modules is built and available in /lib/modules/* I tried rebuilding the kernel with that stuff built-in. but then lm_sensors couldn't even find tools to work with when running sensors-detect So calling `sensors' just in case it would work: # sensors No sensors found! Make sure you loaded all the kernel drivers you need. Try sensors-detect to find out which these are. Back to a modular kernel: lm_sensors tells me that w83627hf is the one to load in /etc/conf.d/lm_sensors. But any attempt to load it meets with this result (wrapped for mail): modprobe w83627hf FATAL: Error inserting w83627hf (/lib/modules/2.6.33-gentoo/kernel/drivers/hwmon/w83627hf.ko): Device or resource busy Looking at dmesg after running the above command, I find lines like these (repeated several times): [ 1321.715673] w83627hf: Found W83627THF chip at 0x290 [ 1321.715712] ACPI: I/O resource w83627hf [0x295-0x296] conflicts with ACPI region HWMT [0x295-0x296] [ 1321.715716] ACPI: If an ACPI driver is available for this device, you should use it instead of the native driver ---- ---=--- - So anyone know what is wrong here? I can only report that I've built a 2.6.33-gentoo kernel with the device (sensors) Winbond W83627EHF/EF/EHG/EG built in (not just a module), then ran sensors-detect and now, xsensor works just fine (on a Phenom-II) Helmut. -- Helmut Jarausch Lehrstuhl fuer Numerische Mathematik RWTH - Aachen University D 52056 Aachen, Germany
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4 suspend to RAM
Am 21.03.2010 09:46, schrieb Mick: On Saturday 20 March 2010 15:16:57 ich bins wrote: Am 20.03.2010 11:21, schrieb Mick: Hi All, I want to map a OEM keyboard button to suspend the PC to RAM, but I am not sure which command KDE4 is using in its menu for suspending to RAM. I assume that I will be able to map this button to the command in question and I wouldn't need to elevate privileges, enter passwds, or the like, because when I select it from the KDE menu it just runs. in the shortcuts section you have to define a new dbus-call org.kde.kded /modules/powerdevil suspend 2 Hmm ... this is weird: I set up Trigger as Sleep and populated the Action fields as you suggested in the Input Actions in SystemSettings. If I click on the Call button under the Action fields, the machine goes to sleep. If I use the keyboard Sleep button it does not. How do I troubleshoot this? have you populated the Xf86Sleep-button (or which you re using) with the action? Is the key you re using known by KDE ? which KDE version you re using?
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4 suspend to RAM
On 22 March 2010 09:26, ich bins imehl_adre...@gmx.net wrote: Am 21.03.2010 09:46, schrieb Mick: On Saturday 20 March 2010 15:16:57 ich bins wrote: Am 20.03.2010 11:21, schrieb Mick: in the shortcuts section you have to define a new dbus-call org.kde.kded /modules/powerdevil suspend 2 Hmm ... this is weird: I set up Trigger as Sleep and populated the Action fields as you suggested in the Input Actions in SystemSettings. If I click on the Call button under the Action fields, the machine goes to sleep. If I use the keyboard Sleep button it does not. How do I troubleshoot this? have you populated the Xf86Sleep-button (or which you re using) with the action? Yes, in the Trigger tab of Input Actions, I clicked on 'Input' and then pressed the keyboard button which changed the 'Input' field into 'Sleep'. Is the key you re using known by KDE ? which KDE version you re using? I believe that the key is known by KDE because it is now also shown under Global hotkeys. I am using KDE-4.3.5 -- Regards, Mick
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4 suspend to RAM
Am 22.03.2010 12:17, schrieb Mick: On 22 March 2010 09:26, ich bins imehl_adre...@gmx.net wrote: Am 21.03.2010 09:46, schrieb Mick: On Saturday 20 March 2010 15:16:57 ich bins wrote: Am 20.03.2010 11:21, schrieb Mick: in the shortcuts section you have to define a new dbus-call org.kde.kded /modules/powerdevil suspend 2 Hmm ... this is weird: I set up Trigger as Sleep and populated the Action fields as you suggested in the Input Actions in SystemSettings. �If I click on the Call button under the Action fields, the machine goes to sleep. �If I use the keyboard Sleep button it does not. �How do I troubleshoot this? have you populated the Xf86Sleep-button (or which you re using) with the action? Yes, in the Trigger tab of Input Actions, I clicked on 'Input' and then pressed the keyboard button which changed the 'Input' field into 'Sleep'. Is the key you re using known by KDE ? which KDE version you re using? I believe that the key is known by KDE because it is now also shown under Global hotkeys. I am using KDE-4.3.5 because of the missing kaction in 4.3.5 it worked for me only since 4.4.0
Re: [gentoo-user] Playing Apple Trailers
Thanks Daniel, On 22 March 2010 07:29, Daniel Troeder dan...@admin-box.com wrote: On 03/22/2010 07:58 AM, Mick wrote: What's the trick for playing Apple Trailers these days? It used to work fine years ago, but now all I get is a pop-up telling me to download Apple's Quicktime player. :-( I looked for mplayer USE flags to enable it, but can't find any. I did find media-libs/libquicktime, but I am not sure if this is needed or which video player will use it. You have to use $ mplayer -user-agent=QuickTime/7.6.2 http://trailers.apple.com/movies/disney/aliceinwonderland/aliceinwonderland-clip1_480p.mov The correct syntax is slightly different: mplayer -user-agent QuickTime/7.6.2 The = sign is required in the configuration file though. Thanks again. -- Regards, Mick
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4 suspend to RAM
On 22 March 2010 11:24, ich bins imehl_adre...@gmx.net wrote: because of the missing kaction in 4.3.5 it worked for me only since 4.4.0 Thanks for that, I'll wait until 4.4.0 goes stable and try again. -- Regards, Mick
Re: [gentoo-user] mplayer: xvid and lavc
On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 17:32:42 +0100 Frank Steinmetzger wrote: Am Freitag 19 März 2010 schrieb Arnau Bria: On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:34:09 +0100 Frank Steinmetzger wrote: Has this worked before? As fas a I know, AVI does not officially support srt subs. It worked for me: mencoder ITC0101.avi -oac pcm -ovc xvid -xvidencopts bitrate=886 -sub ^^^ my problem is that new video is much bigger than original. More or less twice original. I don't know why... My guess is that you really want -oac copy instead of pcm. PCM is uncompressed. many thanks! solved!! Cheers, -- Arnau Bria http://blog.emergetux.net Bombing for peace is like fucking for virginity
[gentoo-user] Re: lm_sensors and w83627hf not loadable
Helmut Jarausch jarau...@igpm.rwth-aachen.de writes: On 21 Mar, Harry Putnam wrote: Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: Forgot to give kernel version: uname -r 2.6.33-gentoo I see lots of bug reports about this in several linux OSs but not able to see a solution. I've make the propers kernel settings and the w83627hf modules is built and available in /lib/modules/* I tried rebuilding the kernel with that stuff built-in. but then lm_sensors couldn't even find tools to work with when running sensors-detect So calling `sensors' just in case it would work: # sensors No sensors found! Make sure you loaded all the kernel drivers you need. Try sensors-detect to find out which these are. [...] I can only report that I've built a 2.6.33-gentoo kernel with the device (sensors) Winbond W83627EHF/EF/EHG/EG built in (not just a module), then ran sensors-detect and now, xsensor works just fine (on a Phenom-II) In my version of 2.6.33-gentoo I don't see that as a choice in make menuconfig... none of the winbond lines match what you show above. The last one below is closest and as you see I have built it in. | |Winbond W83781D, W83782D, W83783S, Asus AS99127F | | | |Winbond W83791D | | | |Winbond W83792D | | | |Winbond W83793 | | | |Winbond W83L785TS-S | | | |Winbond W83L786NG, W83L786NR | | | |* Winbond W83627HF, W83627THF, W83637HF, W83687THF, W83697HF | | | |* Winbond W83627EHF/EHG/DHG, W83667HG But as you can see I've built in the last two. After installing that kernel and reboot The tail of: sensors-detect [...] Now follows a summary of the probes I have just done. Just press ENTER to continue: Driver `w83627hf': * ISA bus, address 0x290 Chip `Winbond W83627THF/THG Super IO Sensors' (confidence: 9) Warning: the required module w83627hf is not currently installed on your system. If it is built into the kernel then it's OK. Otherwise, check http://www.lm-sensors.org/wiki/Devices for driver availability. No modules to load, skipping modules configuration. Unloading i2c-dev... OK And following with: # sensors No sensors found! Make sure you loaded all the kernel drivers you need. Try sensors-detect to find out which these are. ---- ---=--- - What motheboard are you running: Here is what `lshw', followed `hwinfo' had to say about my motherboard Or at least I think thats what this output is: from lswh: reader description: Desktop Computer product: MS-6728 vendor: MICRO-STAR INC. version: 2.00 serial: width: 32 bits capabilities: smbios-2.3 dmi-2.3 smp-1.4 smp configuration: chassis=desktop cpus=1 *-core description: Motherboard product: MS-6728 vendor: MICRO-STAR INC. physical id: 0 version: 2.00 serial: *-firmware description: BIOS vendor: American Megatrends Inc. physical id: 0 version: V3.A (09/29/2004) size: 64KiB capacity: 448KiB capabilities: isa pci pnp apm upgrade shadowing escd cdboot bootselect socketedrom edd int13floppy360 int13floppy1200 int13floppy720 int13floppy2880 int5printscreen int9keyboard int17printer int10video acpi usb agp ls120boot zipboot biosbootspecification ---- ---=--- - from hwinfo: 01: None 00.0: 10105 BIOS [Created at bios.190] Unique ID: rdCR.lZF+r4EgHp4 Hardware Class: bios BIOS Keyboard LED Status: Scroll Lock: off Num Lock: on Caps Lock: off Serial Port 0: 0x3f8 Serial Port 1: 0x3e8 Parallel Port 0: 0x378 Base Memory: 639 kB PnP BIOS: @@@ MP spec rev 1.4 info: OEM id: INTEL Product id: I865G/GE/PE 1 CPUs (0 disabled) BIOS32 Service Directory Entry: 0xfdb60 SMBIOS Version: 2.3 BIOS Info: #0 Vendor: American Megatrends Inc. Version: V3.A Date: 09/29/2004 Start Address: 0xf ROM Size: 512 kB Features: 0x01376fcbde90 ISA supported PCI supported PnP supported APM supported BIOS flashable BIOS shadowing allowed ESCD supported CD boot supported Selectable boot supported BIOS ROM socketed EDD spec supported 360kB Floppy supported 1.2MB Floppy supported 720kB Floppy supported 2.88MB Floppy supported Print Screen supported 8042 Keyboard Services
Re: [gentoo-user] RAID/LVM machine - install questions
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 7:12 AM, KH gentoo-u...@konstantinhansen.de wrote: Am 20.03.2010 19:26, schrieb Mark Knecht: [...] So the chassis and drives for this 1st machine are on order. 6 1TB green drives. [] - Mark Hi Mark, What do you mean by green drives? I had been told - but never searched for confirmation - that those energy saving drives change spinning and also do spin down. The problem would be that the drives than might drop out of the raid since they are not reachable fast. Don't know if that is true. I bought me some black label drives for the longer warranty. If it is a WD drive, google TLER for info about possible problems in RAID use.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: lm_sensors and w83627hf not loadable
Hi Harry, first of all, have you enabled Device-Drivers/Hardware monitoring support/ AMD Phenom/Sempron/Turion/Opteron temperature sensor ? and then Winbond W83627EHF/EHG/DHG, W83667HG I have an ASRock M3A790GXH/128M board. I'm running the 2.6.33-gentoo kernel, as well. (It's the first one to support the Phenom (K10) temperature sensor.) Helmut. On 22 Mar, Harry Putnam wrote: Helmut Jarausch jarau...@igpm.rwth-aachen.de writes: On 21 Mar, Harry Putnam wrote: Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: Forgot to give kernel version: uname -r 2.6.33-gentoo I see lots of bug reports about this in several linux OSs but not able to see a solution. I've make the propers kernel settings and the w83627hf modules is built and available in /lib/modules/* I tried rebuilding the kernel with that stuff built-in. but then lm_sensors couldn't even find tools to work with when running sensors-detect So calling `sensors' just in case it would work: # sensors No sensors found! Make sure you loaded all the kernel drivers you need. Try sensors-detect to find out which these are. [...] I can only report that I've built a 2.6.33-gentoo kernel with the device (sensors) Winbond W83627EHF/EF/EHG/EG built in (not just a module), then ran sensors-detect and now, xsensor works just fine (on a Phenom-II) In my version of 2.6.33-gentoo I don't see that as a choice in make menuconfig... none of the winbond lines match what you show above. The last one below is closest and as you see I have built it in. | |Winbond W83781D, W83782D, W83783S, Asus AS99127F | | | |Winbond W83791D | | | |Winbond W83792D | | | |Winbond W83793 | | | |Winbond W83L785TS-S | | | |Winbond W83L786NG, W83L786NR | | | |* Winbond W83627HF, W83627THF, W83637HF, W83687THF, W83697HF | | | |* Winbond W83627EHF/EHG/DHG, W83667HG But as you can see I've built in the last two. After installing that kernel and reboot The tail of: sensors-detect [...] Now follows a summary of the probes I have just done. Just press ENTER to continue: Driver `w83627hf': * ISA bus, address 0x290 Chip `Winbond W83627THF/THG Super IO Sensors' (confidence: 9) Warning: the required module w83627hf is not currently installed on your system. If it is built into the kernel then it's OK. Otherwise, check http://www.lm-sensors.org/wiki/Devices for driver availability. No modules to load, skipping modules configuration. Unloading i2c-dev... OK And following with: # sensors No sensors found! Make sure you loaded all the kernel drivers you need. Try sensors-detect to find out which these are. ---- ---=--- - What motheboard are you running: Here is what `lshw', followed `hwinfo' had to say about my motherboard Or at least I think thats what this output is: from lswh: reader description: Desktop Computer product: MS-6728 vendor: MICRO-STAR INC. version: 2.00 serial: width: 32 bits capabilities: smbios-2.3 dmi-2.3 smp-1.4 smp configuration: chassis=desktop cpus=1 *-core description: Motherboard product: MS-6728 vendor: MICRO-STAR INC. physical id: 0 version: 2.00 serial: *-firmware description: BIOS vendor: American Megatrends Inc. physical id: 0 version: V3.A (09/29/2004) size: 64KiB capacity: 448KiB capabilities: isa pci pnp apm upgrade shadowing escd cdboot bootselect socketedrom edd int13floppy360 int13floppy1200 int13floppy720 int13floppy2880 int5printscreen int9keyboard int17printer int10video acpi usb agp ls120boot zipboot biosbootspecification ---- ---=--- - from hwinfo: 01: None 00.0: 10105 BIOS [Created at bios.190] Unique ID: rdCR.lZF+r4EgHp4 Hardware Class: bios BIOS Keyboard LED Status: Scroll Lock: off Num Lock: on Caps Lock: off Serial Port 0: 0x3f8 Serial Port 1: 0x3e8 Parallel Port 0: 0x378 Base Memory: 639 kB PnP BIOS: @@@ MP spec rev 1.4 info: OEM id: INTEL Product id: I865G/GE/PE 1 CPUs (0 disabled) BIOS32 Service Directory Entry: 0xfdb60 SMBIOS Version: 2.3 BIOS Info: #0 Vendor: American Megatrends Inc. Version: V3.A Date: 09/29/2004
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: I was very impressed by Windows 7 recently. I installed it for a customer and it seems wonderful. I even considered trying it myself, but I realised that the inability to copy settings from one profile or machine to another is a *complete* deal-breaker to me. [OT] In Windows XP it was called Files and Settings Transfer Wizard. It could be run from the Windows install CD or maybe it was installed as well. You ran it on the source machine, then on the target machine and it did its magic. It even carried over individual apps settings for supported products (microsoft, adobe, etc). Did they get rid of that tool in later versions of Windows?
[gentoo-user] Re: help
On 03/22/2010 06:54 PM, Paul Hartman wrote: On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: I was very impressed by Windows 7 recently. I installed it for a customer and it seems wonderful. I even considered trying it myself, but I realised that the inability to copy settings from one profile or machine to another is a *complete* deal-breaker to me. [OT] In Windows XP it was called Files and Settings Transfer Wizard. It could be run from the Windows install CD or maybe it was installed as well. You ran it on the source machine, then on the target machine and it did its magic. It even carried over individual apps settings for supported products (microsoft, adobe, etc). Did they get rid of that tool in later versions of Windows? No, it's still there (and improved). No idea why Stroller couldn't find it.
Re: [gentoo-user] RAID/LVM machine - install questions
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 7:12 AM, KH gentoo-u...@konstantinhansen.de wrote: Am 20.03.2010 19:26, schrieb Mark Knecht: [...] So the chassis and drives for this 1st machine are on order. 6 1TB green drives. [] - Mark Hi Mark, What do you mean by green drives? I had been told - but never searched for confirmation - that those energy saving drives change spinning and also do spin down. The problem would be that the drives than might drop out of the raid since they are not reachable fast. Don't know if that is true. I bought me some black label drives for the longer warranty. If it is a WD drive, google TLER for info about possible problems in RAID use. Yeah, those issues do get discussed at times on the Linux RAID list. I've asked questions about it and been told that Linux software RAID depends totally on what the driver tells it and nothing seems to be don (as best I can tell) based on any fixed time. That's more of a hardware controller issue. I was told that if the drive by itself doesn't fail at the system level when it's spinning up, then it won't fail at the RAID level either. However what it does if it has a hardware error is a bit beyond me at this point. My intention is to try and get better with smartd so that the drive is continually monitored and see if I can get ahead of a failure with that.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help
On Monday 22 March 2010 17:05:12 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 03/22/2010 06:54 PM, Paul Hartman wrote: On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: I was very impressed by Windows 7 recently. I installed it for a customer and it seems wonderful. I even considered trying it myself, but I realised that the inability to copy settings from one profile or machine to another is a *complete* deal-breaker to me. [OT] In Windows XP it was called Files and Settings Transfer Wizard. It could be run from the Windows install CD or maybe it was installed as well. You ran it on the source machine, then on the target machine and it did its magic. It even carried over individual apps settings for supported products (microsoft, adobe, etc). Did they get rid of that tool in later versions of Windows? No, it's still there (and improved). No idea why Stroller couldn't find it. Hmm ... I have W7 on my new laptop. I booted it 3 times in as many months. One of these times was to update the BIOS. All I can say its that I found it enormously irritating because many things are not where I would expect to find them (like defrag). There is however a search function - which is only good if you already know the name of the executable. TBH, I wouldn't pay money for it but as many OEM impose a MSWindows tax on all of us I had no other option if I wanted to buy this particular laptop. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Playing Apple Trailers
Hi, I installed www-plugins/gecko-mediaplayer version 0.9.9.2 (masked with keywords ~alpha ~amd64 ~hppa ~ppc ~ppc64 ~x86) recently and this works great with the Apple Trailers. It pulls in gnome-mplayer, which requires mplayer of course. I compiled them with the following use flags, just in case you need them: [ebuild R ] media-video/mplayer-1.0_rc4_p20091026-r1 USE=3dnow 3dnowext X a52 aac alsa ass bidi cddb cdio dirac dts dv dvd dvdnav enca encode esd faac faad gif iconv ipv6 jack jpeg live mad mmx mmxext mng mp3 network openal opengl osdmenu oss png quicktime rar real rtc schroedinger sdl shm speex sse svga theora toolame tremor truetype twolame unicode vorbis win32codecs x264 xscreensaver xv xvid xvmc -aalib (-altivec) -bindist -bl -bs2b -cdparanoia - cpudetection -custom-cpuopts -debug -dga -directfb -doc -dvb -dxr3 -fbcon -ftp -ggi -gmplayer -joystick -ladspa -libcaca -lirc -lzo -md5sum -nas -nut - opencore-amr -pnm -pulseaudio -pvr -radio -samba -sse2 -ssse3 -teletext -tga - v4l -v4l2 -vdpau -vidix -xanim -xinerama -zoran VIDEO_CARDS=nvidia -mga - s3virge -tdfx 15,153 kB [ebuild R ] media-video/gnome-mplayer-0.9.9.2 USE=alsa libnotify -gnome -ipod -musicbrainz -pulseaudio 0 kB [ebuild R ] www-plugins/gecko-mediaplayer-0.9.9.2 USE=-gnome 0 kB Cheers Christian Am Montag, 22. März 2010 07:58:33 schrieb Mick: What's the trick for playing Apple Trailers these days? It used to work fine years ago, but now all I get is a pop-up telling me to download Apple's Quicktime player. :-( I looked for mplayer USE flags to enable it, but can't find any. I did find media-libs/libquicktime, but I am not sure if this is needed or which video player will use it.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 - error when closing window
On Monday 22 March 2010 01:42:22 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:34:07 -0300, Crístian Viana wrote: I realized the KTTSD popup only shows up when I click the X button. if I close by a menu entry, for example (like File Close), it doesn't happen. I see that KWin has a notification event for Delete Window, could this be involved? I thought that KDE4 uses KDEWM not KWin ... ? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help
Am 22.03.2010 20:17, schrieb Mick: TBH, I wouldn't pay money for it but as many OEM impose a MSWindows tax on all of us I had no other option if I wanted to buy this particular laptop. You can refuse the license agreement and give windows back. If you are lucky, the vendor will give you some money back. kh
Re: [gentoo-user] Playing Apple Trailers
On Monday 22 March 2010 19:18:48 Christian Schulze wrote: Hi, I installed www-plugins/gecko-mediaplayer version 0.9.9.2 (masked with keywords ~alpha ~amd64 ~hppa ~ppc ~ppc64 ~x86) recently and this works great with the Apple Trailers. It pulls in gnome-mplayer, Thanks Christian, I am not sure I want to install a gnome front end to mplayer. However, it seems that the gecko-mediaplayer plugin only has one option. Anyone knows if there's an alternative? Qt4 front end like smplayer would be preferable to me. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help
On Monday 22 March 2010 19:21:26 KH wrote: Am 22.03.2010 20:17, schrieb Mick: TBH, I wouldn't pay money for it but as many OEM impose a MSWindows tax on all of us I had no other option if I wanted to buy this particular laptop. You can refuse the license agreement and give windows back. If you are lucky, the vendor will give you some money back. Getting money back from Dell?!! It'll be like squeezing blood out of a stone. ;-) Seriously though, I've asked them to take it off for me and they said that this is not an option! -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] Re: lm_sensors and w83627hf not loadable
Helmut Jarausch jarau...@igpm.rwth-aachen.de writes: Hi Harry, first of all, have you enabled Device-Drivers/Hardware monitoring support/ AMD Phenom/Sempron/Turion/Opteron temperature sensor ? and then Winbond W83627EHF/EHG/DHG, W83667HG I have an ASRock M3A790GXH/128M board. I'm running the 2.6.33-gentoo kernel, as well. (It's the first one to support the Phenom (K10) temperature sensor.) Well since I asked about a problem now to occur with a different driver all together: From OP: But any attempt to load it meets with this result (wrapped for mail): modprobe w83627hf FATAL: Error inserting w83627hf (/lib/modules/2.6.33-gentoo/kernel/drivers/hwmon/w83627hf.ko): Device or resource busy Then the fact that you were able to get yours to work is not really relevant to the question. Thanks for the input... but may not be very useful here. I'm hoping someone else has hit the problem I posted about and has worked out some way to get it to work.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help
On 3/22/2010 3:40 PM, Mick wrote: On Monday 22 March 2010 19:21:26 KH wrote: Am 22.03.2010 20:17, schrieb Mick: TBH, I wouldn't pay money for it but as many OEM impose a MSWindows tax on all of us I had no other option if I wanted to buy this particular laptop. You can refuse the license agreement and give windows back. If you are lucky, the vendor will give you some money back. Getting money back from Dell?!! It'll be like squeezing blood out of a stone. ;-) Seriously though, I've asked them to take it off for me and they said that this is not an option! Particularly annoying is the fact that Dell claims to be Linux friendly. Which is apparently shorthand for: Sure, we'll happily sell you one of three crappy laptop models with Ubuntu pre-installed, at a slight discount, while bombarding you with 'Dell Recommends Windows' ads while you shop. What's that? You want a desktop machine with Linux? Are you insane?
[gentoo-user] Re: help
On 03/22/2010 10:33 PM, Mike Edenfield wrote: On 3/22/2010 3:40 PM, Mick wrote: On Monday 22 March 2010 19:21:26 KH wrote: Am 22.03.2010 20:17, schrieb Mick: TBH, I wouldn't pay money for it but as many OEM impose a MSWindows tax on all of us I had no other option if I wanted to buy this particular laptop. You can refuse the license agreement and give windows back. If you are lucky, the vendor will give you some money back. Getting money back from Dell?!! It'll be like squeezing blood out of a stone. ;-) Seriously though, I've asked them to take it off for me and they said that this is not an option! Particularly annoying is the fact that Dell claims to be Linux friendly. Which is apparently shorthand for: Sure, we'll happily sell you one of three crappy laptop models with Ubuntu pre-installed, at a slight discount, while bombarding you with 'Dell Recommends Windows' ads while you shop. What's that? You want a desktop machine with Linux? Are you insane? Dell mainly sells Windows Computers, not Computers. If someone doesn't like that, why buy one? There's a gazillion of e-shops selling custom machines.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help
On 22/03/10 19:21, KH wrote: Am 22.03.2010 20:17, schrieb Mick: TBH, I wouldn't pay money for it but as many OEM impose a MSWindows tax on all of us I had no other option if I wanted to buy this particular laptop. You can refuse the license agreement and give windows back. If you are lucky, the vendor will give you some money back. kh Actually, you don't need any luck. It's been a few years now since Microsoft were ordered by the courts to give refunds. The vendor doesn't even come into the picture. Return Windows unopened to Microsoft and they HAVE to refund you. Be lucky, Neil http://www.neiljw.com/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
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On 22/03/10 20:33, Mike Edenfield wrote: Sure, we'll happily sell you one of three crappy laptop models with Ubuntu pre-installed, at a slight discount, while bombarding you with 'Dell Recommends Windows' ads while you shop. What's that? You want a desktop machine with Linux? Are you insane? The real insanity is buying over-priced crap from Dell. ;) Be lucky, Neil http://www.neiljw.com/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
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On Monday 22 March 2010 21:19:16 Mick wrote: On Monday 22 March 2010 01:42:22 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:34:07 -0300, Crístian Viana wrote: I realized the KTTSD popup only shows up when I click the X button. if I close by a menu entry, for example (like File Close), it doesn't happen. I see that KWin has a notification event for Delete Window, could this be involved? I thought that KDE4 uses KDEWM not KWin ... ? Dunno where you got that name. There's no such thing, and I don't think there ever has been: $ locate -i kdewm $ $ locate -i kwin | grep bin/ /usr/bin/kwin ... $ -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
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On Monday 22 March 2010 21:21:26 KH wrote: Am 22.03.2010 20:17, schrieb Mick: TBH, I wouldn't pay money for it but as many OEM impose a MSWindows tax on all of us I had no other option if I wanted to buy this particular laptop. You can refuse the license agreement and give windows back. If you are lucky, the vendor will give you some money back. kh Yeah right, good luck with that. Three people in my entire country are known to have gotten that right, 2 from Toshiba. In all three cases, the hardware vendor refunded the cost as a PR exercise. Microsoft are dead sneaky about this one, at least under ZA law. The hardware vendor accepted the license to install it (remember it's on OEM install not a box set), and you buy the hardware knowing full well that it comes with Windows. That's part of the deal and there is no deal on the table where the machine does not have Windows. There is nothing unfair about this. No vendor has a *duty* so sell you what you want and they cannot be forced to. Microsoft does not enforce that vendors sell Windows-only machines (and they proved as such to the relevant Commission). Vendors almost uniformly virtually every model with Windows, the exceptions are low grade machines the no sane person would buy today, and servers). This is not even anti-competitive, the vendor can sell what they like and can offer only a certain OS of they choose. Much like a Toyota dealer is perfectly free to sell only Toyotas and cannot be forced to offer Hondas as well. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
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Alan McKinnon wrote: On Monday 22 March 2010 21:19:16 Mick wrote: On Monday 22 March 2010 01:42:22 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:34:07 -0300, Crístian Viana wrote: I realized the KTTSD popup only shows up when I click the X button. if I close by a menu entry, for example (like File Close), it doesn't happen. I see that KWin has a notification event for Delete Window, could this be involved? I thought that KDE4 uses KDEWM not KWin ... ? Dunno where you got that name. There's no such thing, and I don't think there ever has been: $ locate -i kdewm $ $ locate -i kwin | grep bin/ /usr/bin/kwin ... $ There is such a thing but it appears to be a variable not a executable. I found several references to it in the KDE mailing lists. All related to KDE4 by the way. Dale :-) :-)
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On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:55:34 +, Neil Walker wrote: The real insanity is buying over-priced crap from Dell. ;) The Dell Mini 10 I bought was very reasonably priced. So that deals with the over-priced issue... -- Neil Bothwick Standard: (n., adj.) a design target which manufacturers may embellish, improve upon, or ignore as they wish, so long as it can be used profitably in their advertising. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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On 22 Mar 2010, at 19:21, KH wrote: Am 22.03.2010 20:17, schrieb Mick: TBH, I wouldn't pay money for it but as many OEM impose a MSWindows tax on all of us I had no other option if I wanted to buy this particular laptop. You can refuse the license agreement and give windows back. If you are lucky, the vendor will give you some money back. Article in The Register about this this week. Dell may be refusing this now. I read in a forum that the wording of the license terms has changed in Vista or 7, to (basically) return the whole system for a refund if you don't like these terms. Stroller.
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On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:36:59PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Monday 22 March 2010 21:21:26 KH wrote: Am 22.03.2010 20:17, schrieb Mick: TBH, I wouldn't pay money for it but as many OEM impose a MSWindows tax on all of us I had no other option if I wanted to buy this particular laptop. You can refuse the license agreement and give windows back. If you are lucky, the vendor will give you some money back. kh Yeah right, good luck with that. Three people in my entire country are known to have gotten that right, 2 from Toshiba. In all three cases, the hardware vendor refunded the cost as a PR exercise. Microsoft are dead sneaky about this one, at least under ZA law. The hardware vendor accepted the license to install it (remember it's on OEM install not a box set), and you buy the hardware knowing full well that it comes with Windows. That's part of the deal and there is no deal on the table where the machine does not have Windows. There is nothing unfair about this. No vendor has a *duty* so sell you what you want and they cannot be forced to. Microsoft does not enforce that vendors sell Windows-only machines (and they proved as such to the relevant Commission). Vendors almost uniformly virtually every model with Windows, the exceptions are low grade machines the no sane person would buy today, and servers). This is not even anti-competitive, the vendor can sell what they like and can offer only a certain OS of they choose. Much like a Toyota dealer is perfectly free to sell only Toyotas and cannot be forced to offer Hondas as well. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com Well you I'll have to agree with you that it's not unfiar or anything else as such. I do however think that it would be benefitial to the consumer if the market was more open than it's current state. That being said we do have the option to buy costumized computers without the MS tax. -- Zeerak Waseem pgpLShrxThF6t.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Am 22.03.2010 23:01, schrieb Stroller: On 22 Mar 2010, at 19:21, KH wrote: Am 22.03.2010 20:17, schrieb Mick: TBH, I wouldn't pay money for it but as many OEM impose a MSWindows tax on all of us I had no other option if I wanted to buy this particular laptop. You can refuse the license agreement and give windows back. If you are lucky, the vendor will give you some money back. Article in The Register about this this week. Dell may be refusing this now. I read in a forum that the wording of the license terms has changed in Vista or 7, to (basically) return the whole system for a refund if you don't like these terms. Stroller. In Germany you are still free to sell the software to a third person who is insane enough to buy Windows ;-) kh
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On 3/22/2010 5:46 PM, Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Monday 22 March 2010 21:19:16 Mick wrote: I thought that KDE4 uses KDEWM not KWin ... ? Dunno where you got that name. There's no such thing, and I don't think there ever has been: There is such a thing but it appears to be a variable not a executable. I found several references to it in the KDE mailing lists. All related to KDE4 by the way. It's not KDE4-specific, but you are correct that it's the name of an environment variable, not an actual KDE component. Setting KDEWM was the standard way of getting compiz instead of KWin for your window manager in KDE3. Now that KWin composites all by itself, not really necessary, but the variable still works as before. --Mike
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On Tuesday 23 March 2010 00:02:54 Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:36:59PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Monday 22 March 2010 21:21:26 KH wrote: Am 22.03.2010 20:17, schrieb Mick: TBH, I wouldn't pay money for it but as many OEM impose a MSWindows tax on all of us I had no other option if I wanted to buy this particular laptop. You can refuse the license agreement and give windows back. If you are lucky, the vendor will give you some money back. kh Yeah right, good luck with that. Three people in my entire country are known to have gotten that right, 2 from Toshiba. In all three cases, the hardware vendor refunded the cost as a PR exercise. Microsoft are dead sneaky about this one, at least under ZA law. The hardware vendor accepted the license to install it (remember it's on OEM install not a box set), and you buy the hardware knowing full well that it comes with Windows. That's part of the deal and there is no deal on the table where the machine does not have Windows. There is nothing unfair about this. No vendor has a *duty* so sell you what you want and they cannot be forced to. Microsoft does not enforce that vendors sell Windows-only machines (and they proved as such to the relevant Commission). Vendors almost uniformly virtually every model with Windows, the exceptions are low grade machines the no sane person would buy today, and servers). This is not even anti-competitive, the vendor can sell what they like and can offer only a certain OS of they choose. Much like a Toyota dealer is perfectly free to sell only Toyotas and cannot be forced to offer Hondas as well. Well you I'll have to agree with you that it's not unfiar or anything else as such. I do however think that it would be benefitial to the consumer if the market was more open than it's current state. That being said we do have the option to buy costumized computers without the MS tax. It's not all dark in this tunnel. There is light at the end, and no, it's not the train's headlights ;-) Customer demand is still the best way to get providers to change their offerings. We who want OS-less machines, or machines with Linux, might be few today, but that doesn't have to be true for tomorrow. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
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On Tuesday 23 March 2010 00:00:38 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:55:34 +, Neil Walker wrote: The real insanity is buying over-priced crap from Dell. ;) The Dell Mini 10 I bought was very reasonably priced. So that deals with the over-priced issue... The Dell XPS M1530 I'm typing this on was *very* reasonably priced. But, the 40% corporate discount whacked off the top was a part of that :-) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
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On Monday 22 March 2010 21:46:43 Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Monday 22 March 2010 21:19:16 Mick wrote: On Monday 22 March 2010 01:42:22 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:34:07 -0300, Crístian Viana wrote: I realized the KTTSD popup only shows up when I click the X button. if I close by a menu entry, for example (like File Close), it doesn't happen. I see that KWin has a notification event for Delete Window, could this be involved? I thought that KDE4 uses KDEWM not KWin ... ? Dunno where you got that name. There's no such thing, and I don't think there ever has been: $ locate -i kdewm $ $ locate -i kwin | grep bin/ /usr/bin/kwin ... $ There is such a thing but it appears to be a variable not a executable. I found several references to it in the KDE mailing lists. All related to KDE4 by the way. Dale :-) :-) I'm prone to errors tonight - I hit Reply and ended up sending it to Alan and missing the list. This is what I wrote: Oops! You're right, $KDEWM is a variable for the window manager, which may be defined as the kwin. test -n $KDEWM KDEWM=--windowmanager $KDEWM Sorry for the noise. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
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On 22 Mar 2010, at 22:04, KH wrote: Am 22.03.2010 23:01, schrieb Stroller: On 22 Mar 2010, at 19:21, KH wrote: Am 22.03.2010 20:17, schrieb Mick: TBH, I wouldn't pay money for it but as many OEM impose a MSWindows tax on all of us I had no other option if I wanted to buy this particular laptop. ... In Germany you are still free to sell the software to a third person who is insane enough to buy Windows ;-) I believe the precedent set by that court decision applies throughout Europe, however I don't think anyone else has followed it up. There was a guy on uk.adverts.computer (might be uk.adverts.computers, I'm not sure) who used to make a good business buying end of life corporate PCs and breaking them, mostly for the licenses. Great bloke, everyone loved him, always had great deals or could do you one. One day he got a threatening letter from Microsoft about reselling these license stickers, which he was doing absolutely legitimately under EU law, and had to close down his business as a consequence. He contacted a commercial solicitors and they were happy to take the case, confident in the outcome precedented by the German decision, but wanted a deposit of £20,000 ($30,000 US now, but I think more like $40k at the time). This was money he simply didn't have, or that he wasn't prepared to risk. I would imagine the actual costs of pursuing the case could run much higher, perhaps to in excess of £100,000. It's obvious that Microsoft would quite happily run you bankrupt with pre-trial requests to your lawyers, and drag things out with various legal motions, rather than actually lose the case. Stroller.
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I see that KWin has a notification event for Delete Window, could this be involved? how do I check what's set up for that event? there's nothing unusual in Notifications System Notifications The KDE Window Manager nor in Window Behavior Window-Specific.
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On Monday 22 March 2010 22:04:24 KH wrote: Am 22.03.2010 23:01, schrieb Stroller: On 22 Mar 2010, at 19:21, KH wrote: Am 22.03.2010 20:17, schrieb Mick: TBH, I wouldn't pay money for it but as many OEM impose a MSWindows tax on all of us I had no other option if I wanted to buy this particular laptop. You can refuse the license agreement and give windows back. If you are lucky, the vendor will give you some money back. Article in The Register about this this week. Dell may be refusing this now. I read in a forum that the wording of the license terms has changed in Vista or 7, to (basically) return the whole system for a refund if you don't like these terms. Stroller. In Germany you are still free to sell the software to a third person who is insane enough to buy Windows ;-) But how can you sell it - I think that it is an OEM license which will only run in the machine that Dell bought it for, from Microsoft. I'll try running the image of the partition which I made when I bought it on another machine and see what gives if I get the time, but in the past I remember trying something similar and I could not get it to work. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
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On Monday 22 March 2010 22:00:38 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:55:34 +, Neil Walker wrote: The real insanity is buying over-priced crap from Dell. ;) The Dell Mini 10 I bought was very reasonably priced. So that deals with the over-priced issue... I did some research to find a powerful laptop before I settled on Dell and they were selling the best machine at the time for the price. Lenovos, HP, Asus, etc. were definitely pricier. So, comparatively speaking Dell's are not bad. However, they are indeed overpriced because we're paying for a pre- installed OS some of us do not want/need. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
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Am 22.03.2010 23:51, schrieb Mick: In Germany you are still free to sell the software to a third person who is insane enough to buy Windows ;-) But how can you sell it - I think that it is an OEM license which will only run in the machine that Dell bought it for, from Microsoft. I'll try running the image of the partition which I made when I bought it on another machine and see what gives if I get the time, but in the past I remember trying something similar and I could not get it to work. I am not in that to deep. IIRC oem has no meaning in Germany. This is part of the license agreement what you have to accept after buying the software. Law says you have to accept it before or it is not part of the contract. I never tried lately but you should be able to install from every Win CD you find and just use the code from that green sticker. There even is a tool you can download from Microsoft to change your key - like you once hat a pirated version with a cracked key and now you want to turn legal again. Download the tool, enter the code you bought, you are done without installing everything again. But again I don't know if it works in every constellation nor if it is legal everywhere. kh
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Oh and all of this started with a email just saying help. Wander what another word could have done. kh
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KH wrote: Oh and all of this started with a email just saying help. Wander what another word could have done. kh Maybe he should have said PLEASE help. lol Where is the OP anyway? Dale :-)
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Mick wrote: On Monday 22 March 2010 21:46:43 Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Monday 22 March 2010 21:19:16 Mick wrote: On Monday 22 March 2010 01:42:22 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:34:07 -0300, Crístian Viana wrote: I realized the KTTSD popup only shows up when I click the X button. if I close by a menu entry, for example (like File Close), it doesn't happen. I see that KWin has a notification event for Delete Window, could this be involved? I thought that KDE4 uses KDEWM not KWin ... ? Dunno where you got that name. There's no such thing, and I don't think there ever has been: $ locate -i kdewm $ $ locate -i kwin | grep bin/ /usr/bin/kwin ... $ There is such a thing but it appears to be a variable not a executable. I found several references to it in the KDE mailing lists. All related to KDE4 by the way. Dale :-) :-) I'm prone to errors tonight - I hit Reply and ended up sending it to Alan and missing the list. This is what I wrote: Oops! You're right, $KDEWM is a variable for the window manager, which may be defined as the kwin. test -n $KDEWM KDEWM=--windowmanager $KDEWM Sorry for the noise. Noise, what noise? Heck, this is how we learn. If we wasn't learning something, we would have to know everything. My head ain't that big. Dale :-) :-)
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On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:56:33 +, Mick wrote: On Monday 22 March 2010 22:00:38 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:55:34 +, Neil Walker wrote: The real insanity is buying over-priced crap from Dell. ;) The Dell Mini 10 I bought was very reasonably priced. So that deals with the over-priced issue... I did some research to find a powerful laptop before I settled on Dell and they were selling the best machine at the time for the price. Lenovos, HP, Asus, etc. were definitely pricier. Note to self: Be less subtle in future :( -- Neil Bothwick If Bill Gates had a dime for every time a Windows box crashed... ...Oh, wait a minute, he already does. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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Neil Bothwick wrote: -- Neil Bothwick If Bill Gates had a dime for every time a Windows box crashed... ...Oh, wait a minute, he already does. You sig was sort of ironic considering the subject discussed. That thing have ESP or something? Dale :-) :-)
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On 03/22/2010 04:21 PM, KH wrote: ... There even is a tool you can download from Microsoft to change your key - like you once hat a pirated version with a cracked key and now you want to turn legal again. Download the tool, enter the code you bought, you are done without installing everything again... Those boys at M$ are such jokers. The big pitch is DANGER, your pirated copy of Windows may not be safe! Who knows what evil lurks in pirated software!?! But, once you fork over the money for a valid key, all that DANGER/evil is exorcised forever. I wish I could write smart software like that.
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I see that KWin has a notification event for Delete Window, could this be involved? hey, I just found out what the problem was :-) in the file ~/.kde4/share/config/kwin.notifyrc, there was an entry in Event/close which was telling KTTS to say out loud Good bye (so lame of me, isn't it). I think I may have set that up a long time ago, to test KTTS, and I didn't remember doing it... anyway, I just cleared the KTTS line and removed KTTS from the Action line, and the popup doesn't appear anymore. the weird thing is that the KTTS setting still works if the notifyrc file says so, but there's no GUI option to turn if on/off. I'm sure I didn't do this by editing a text file; some previous KDE version must have allowed me doing it via System Setttings. now it doesn't. thanks for your help!
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On 22 Mar 2010, at 23:21, KH wrote: ... There even is a tool you can download from Microsoft to change your key - like you once hat a pirated version with a cracked key and now you want to turn legal again. Download the tool, enter the code you bought, you are done without installing everything again. It doesn't always work, though. Stroller.
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On 22 Mar 2010, at 22:51, Mick wrote: ... In Germany you are still free to sell the software to a third person who is insane enough to buy Windows ;-) But how can you sell it - I think that it is an OEM license which will only run in the machine that Dell bought it for, from Microsoft. You can use a standard Windows OEM installation cd, such as the one that comes in this package http://www.ebuyer.com/product/114048 with any Windows OEM license sticker. If the sticker bears Dell, Compaq, Advent c branding, this is irrelevant to the actual number on the sticker. You can copy a friend's CD and use that - I avoid manufacturer branded restore CDs, however. Stroller.
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On 22 Mar 2010, at 22:09, Alan McKinnon wrote: There is nothing unfair about this. No vendor has a *duty* so sell you what you want and they cannot be forced to. Microsoft does not enforce that vendors sell Windows-only machines (and they proved as such to the relevant Commission). ... Well you I'll have to agree with you that it's not unfiar or anything else as such. I do however think that it would be benefitial to the consumer if the market was more open than it's current state. That being said we do have the option to buy costumized computers without the MS tax. It's not all dark in this tunnel. There is light at the end, and no, it's not the train's headlights ;-) Customer demand is still the best way to get providers to change their offerings. We who want OS-less machines, or machines with Linux, might be few today, but that doesn't have to be true for tomorrow. The problem is that manufacturers subsidise the cost of the PC by preinstalling junk on them. They install Norton or McAfee anti-virus with a free 3 month subscription, because Norton or McAfee give them a kickback. I would imagine this is in the region of $10 - $20. They install desktop shortcuts to eBay, to Big Fish Games (or whatever it's called) set the browser's homepage and the default search shows more ads than useful results. They probably get a penny a click on those, but over the lifetime of a computer, this can add up. In all I wouldn't be surprised if the crapware on a new PC pays more than the Windows license costs the manufacturer. Selling PCs with a blank hard-drive would cost them money, therefore! The cost of porting browser toolbars and search redirect hijackers to enable them to sell Linux-based PCs is just not worth the effort, and a Linux user is more likely to uninstall them, anyway. Manufacturers accept that some of the PCs they sell will have Windows wiped and Linux installed, but they don't have to like or encourage it. :( I very much dislike Microsoft's abuse of its monopoly position, but I don't have any easy answers right now. Stroller.
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On 22 Mar 2010, at 17:05, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 03/22/2010 06:54 PM, Paul Hartman wrote: On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: I was very impressed by Windows 7 recently. I installed it for a customer and it seems wonderful. I even considered trying it myself, but I realised that the inability to copy settings from one profile or machine to another is a *complete* deal-breaker to me. [OT] In Windows XP it was called Files and Settings Transfer Wizard. It could be run from the Windows install CD or maybe it was installed as well. You ran it on the source machine, then on the target machine and it did its magic. It even carried over individual apps settings for supported products (microsoft, adobe, etc). Did they get rid of that tool in later versions of Windows? No, it's still there (and improved). No idea why Stroller couldn't find it. I was given to believe it doesn't work under all circumstances. http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windows.vista.installation_setup/msg/4d069a4865067bad It's not something I've had the time yet to dedicate to testing. Stroller.
