[gentoo-user] Subdirs with mutt

2011-10-16 Thread Andrey Moshbear
For mutt, I'm using a maildir.
How do I get subdirs created by maildirmake -f subfolder ~/.mail to
show up in mutt's sidebar and how do I switch between the top-level
folder and subfolders without qLFmuttLF.. ?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Stroller

On 16 October 2011, at 00:05, CJoeB wrote:
 ...
 However, when I boot, eth0 does not start.  I can start it manually by
 doing 'modprobe -r broadcom' and 'modprobe -r tg3' and then 'modprobe
 broadcom' and 'modprobe tg3'
 
 However, I would like to have my network started automatically.

List broadcom and tg3 in /etc/conf.d/modules as per section 7.e. of the install 
guide.

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1chap=7#doc_chap5


Stroller.


Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 16.10.2011 01:05, schrieb CJoeB:
 Hi everyone,
 
 Well, thanks to the help I got from the list, I finally have Gentoo
 installed on my new desktop and booting to a command prompt.
 
 However, now I have a networking issue.
 
 In past, when I booted to the install CD and my ethernet connection was
 not active, I typed net-setup eth0 and was able to set it up.  This
 time, when I booted to the install CD and typed net-setup eth0, the
 network card was not recognized.  I googled and found a post where
 someone said that they had to 'modprobe -r broadcom' and 'modprobe -r
 tg3' and then 'modprobe broadcom' and 'modprobe tg3' and then, run
 net-setup.  I did this and then ifconfig returned my eth0 connection.
 
 Of course, later you have to do the cp -L /etc/resolv.conf
 /mnt/gentoo/etc/  which I did and dhcpcd has been added to my
 default runlevel.
 
 However, when I boot, eth0 does not start.  I can start it manually by
 doing 'modprobe -r broadcom' and 'modprobe -r tg3' and then 'modprobe
 broadcom' and 'modprobe tg3'
 
 However, I would like to have my network started automatically.
 
 I do have config_eth0=dhcp in my /etc/conf.d/net file
 
 Any suggestions?
 
 Colleen
 

Hmm, a workaround would be a custom init script. Copy the following code
into a new file in /etc/init.d (let's say /etc/init.d/broadcom-fix):

#!/sbin/runscript
description=Reload broadcom and tg3 modules to work around kernel bug
depend() {
before net
after modules
}
start()
{
ebegin Reloading broadcom and tg3 modules
modprobe -r broadcom tg3 
modprobe broadcom 
modprobe tg3
eend $? Failed to reload modules
}

Make it executable (chmod 755) and add it to the default run level
(rc-update add broadcom-fix default).

Better try to start it manually before rebooting so you can be sure it
works as expected.

Hope this helps,
Florian Philipp



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Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Mick
On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 11:05:55 Florian Philipp wrote:
 Am 16.10.2011 01:05, schrieb CJoeB:
  Hi everyone,
  
  Well, thanks to the help I got from the list, I finally have Gentoo
  installed on my new desktop and booting to a command prompt.
  
  However, now I have a networking issue.
  
  In past, when I booted to the install CD and my ethernet connection was
  not active, I typed net-setup eth0 and was able to set it up.  This
  time, when I booted to the install CD and typed net-setup eth0, the
  network card was not recognized.  I googled and found a post where
  someone said that they had to 'modprobe -r broadcom' and 'modprobe -r
  tg3' and then 'modprobe broadcom' and 'modprobe tg3' and then, run
  net-setup.  I did this and then ifconfig returned my eth0 connection.
  
  Of course, later you have to do the cp -L /etc/resolv.conf
  /mnt/gentoo/etc/  which I did and dhcpcd has been added to my
  default runlevel.
  
  However, when I boot, eth0 does not start.  I can start it manually by
  doing 'modprobe -r broadcom' and 'modprobe -r tg3' and then 'modprobe
  broadcom' and 'modprobe tg3'
  
  However, I would like to have my network started automatically.
  
  I do have config_eth0=dhcp in my /etc/conf.d/net file
  
  Any suggestions?
  
  Colleen
 
 Hmm, a workaround would be a custom init script. Copy the following code
 into a new file in /etc/init.d (let's say /etc/init.d/broadcom-fix):
 
 #!/sbin/runscript
 description=Reload broadcom and tg3 modules to work around kernel bug
 depend() {
 before net
   after modules
 }
 start()
 {
   ebegin Reloading broadcom and tg3 modules
   modprobe -r broadcom tg3 
   modprobe broadcom 
   modprobe tg3
   eend $? Failed to reload modules
 }
 
 Make it executable (chmod 755) and add it to the default run level
 (rc-update add broadcom-fix default).
 
 Better try to start it manually before rebooting so you can be sure it
 works as expected.
 
 Hope this helps,
 Florian Philipp

This would be a workaround - the question is why does the module need to be 
removed and reinstalled manually?  Why isn't the kernel loading it at boot 
time?
-- 
Regards,
Mick


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[gentoo-user] My X11 mouse icons have acquired unwanted borders. Help!

2011-10-16 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hello, Gentoo!

I'm using Gnome 2.32.1 in X11.

My mouse pointers have all acquired unwanted borders.  That is to say,
where there used just to be a solid black arrow, it is now surrounded by
a black outline enclosing a white outline around the arrow.

I don't like this!  I didn't ask for it!

I first noticed this problem while starting Firefox.  It seemed to hiccup
a bit (I think), and then all pointers (in all applications) went bad.

I've looked inside Gnome preferences, but can't find a way to change
the pointers back.  I suspect this is an X setting rather than a Gnome
one.

Can anybody point me at a solution?

TIA,

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).



Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Mick
On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 00:05:01 CJoeB wrote:
 Hi everyone,
 
 Well, thanks to the help I got from the list, I finally have Gentoo
 installed on my new desktop and booting to a command prompt.
 
 However, now I have a networking issue.
 
 In past, when I booted to the install CD and my ethernet connection was
 not active, I typed net-setup eth0 and was able to set it up.  This
 time, when I booted to the install CD and typed net-setup eth0, the
 network card was not recognized.  

This means that your kernel is not configured with the corresponding modules 
for your network card, or that there is some other configuration problem with 
e.g. firmware loading (if such a thing is necessary for your card).


 I googled and found a post where
 someone said that they had to 'modprobe -r broadcom' and 'modprobe -r
 tg3' and then 'modprobe broadcom' and 'modprobe tg3' and then, run
 net-setup.  I did this and then ifconfig returned my eth0 connection.
 
 Of course, later you have to do the cp -L /etc/resolv.conf
 /mnt/gentoo/etc/  which I did and dhcpcd has been added to my
 default runlevel.
 
 However, when I boot, eth0 does not start.  

What does dmesg show?  

What does cat /var/log/syslog | grep -i tg3 show


 I can start it manually by
 doing 'modprobe -r broadcom' and 'modprobe -r tg3' and then 'modprobe
 broadcom' and 'modprobe tg3'

So the question is why when you remove and install the module manually your 
NIC driver loads, but at boot time it does not ...


 However, I would like to have my network started automatically.
 
 I do have config_eth0=dhcp in my /etc/conf.d/net file

Please show:

  grep ^[^#] /etc/conf.d/net

  ifconfig  and ifconfig -a  (before and after you modprobe the driver)

It may also help to know what is your card (lshw and lspci -v).
-- 
Regards,
Mick


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Re: [gentoo-user] My X11 mouse icons have acquired unwanted borders. Help!

2011-10-16 Thread Jesús J . Guerrero Botella
Does this happen on other WMs as well? To me, this sounds like a
driver issue. Some drivers (the binary nvidia one, namely) do have
some options to control the aspect of the pointer. I never played with
them so I don't know if this is one of the available options.

If you are using effects, try to disable them and see what happens.

Also, did you update the driver (whatever it is) recently?

-- 
Jesús Guerrero Botella



Re: [gentoo-user] How to cross compile Perl for ARM?

2011-10-16 Thread Leho Kraav
i have managed to cross-compile a pretty complete stage3 for arm i believe with 
perl-5.10.1 from 
http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/embedded-cross.git;a=tree;f=dev-lang/perl

overall the cross-compile experience was a nightmare, esp. re perl and python. 
many packages obscurely fail, but not enough for you to immediately give up. so 
it keeps sucking you back in and waste even more time. at the time i discovered 
that embedded-cross overlay had mostly done all the difficult work for me, but 
it seems it is no longer updated for recent stuff. i think guys in 
#gentoo-embedded told me it is a lot of effort to patch these large packages 
like perl and python to sanely cross-compile, and since i think their product 
thing didn't work out too well, they weren't going to sink any more time into 
maintaining for newer versions.

but jude pereira i believe is doing something with arm stages at least 
semi-actively 
http://judepereira.com/blog/gentoo-linux-uclibc-stage3-2010-for-embedded/ and 
it is definitely a lot of fun booting pretty much full blown gentoo on things 
like Nokia N8x0 internet tablets https://github.com/slonopotamus/n8x0-overlay



Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread James Broadhead
On 15 October 2011 23:44, CJoeB colleen.bea...@gmail.com wrote:
 (...)

If this is your first install, is FrameBuffer (pretty consoles) really
a vital component of getting your machine up and running?

If not, then you should not have any fb driver in your grub.conf (and
perhaps add 'nofb' to your kernel options line.

If it is, then by far the easiest way of getting it to work is by
using the same driver for X as you do for the framebuffer (allowing
Kernel Modeswitching, or KMS). In the case of radeon cards, this can
be done with the open-source driver, as described by others.

Take a look at
en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Radeon
for a pretty comprehensive guide. I maintain it, so if you find
anything hard to follow, please edit the page or post here describing
what should be improved.

Good luck -

JB



[gentoo-user] Re: My X11 mouse icons have acquired unwanted borders. Help!

2011-10-16 Thread walt
On 10/16/2011 03:15 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
 Hello, Gentoo!
 
 I'm using Gnome 2.32.1 in X11.
 
 My mouse pointers have all acquired unwanted borders.  That is to say,
 where there used just to be a solid black arrow, it is now surrounded by
 a black outline enclosing a white outline around the arrow.
 
 I don't like this!  I didn't ask for it!
 
 I first noticed this problem while starting Firefox.  It seemed to hiccup
 a bit (I think), and then all pointers (in all applications) went bad.
 
 I've looked inside Gnome preferences, but can't find a way to change
 the pointers back.  I suspect this is an X setting rather than a Gnome
 one.

Have a look at gnome-extra/gcursor.





Re: [gentoo-user] My X11 mouse icons have acquired unwanted borders. Help!

2011-10-16 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hi, Jesús.

On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 01:41:21PM +0200, Jesús J. Guerrero Botella wrote:
 Does this happen on other WMs as well?

Yes, it happens on xfce, too.

 To me, this sounds like a driver issue. Some drivers (the binary
 nvidia one, namely) do have some options to control the aspect of the
 pointer. I never played with them so I don't know if this is one of
 the available options.

 If you are using effects, try to disable them and see what happens.

I'm not using effects, as far as I know.

 Also, did you update the driver (whatever it is) recently?

Ah.  I synched yesterday, and a massive number of packages were updated,
among them xorg-drivers.  That'll be it, I suppose.

Presumably I can configure these drivers somewhere, perhaps in
~/.xinitrc?  Is there any documentation for this?

 -- Jesús Guerrero Botella

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).



Re: [gentoo-user] pam-1.1.4 emerge error on x86

2011-10-16 Thread Jonas de Buhr
Am Sat, 15 Oct 2011 19:50:23 +0100
schrieb Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com:

[snip snip]
 [snip...]
 
   Thank you!  :-)
  
  you're welcome ;)
  its really easy to help you because you provide the right
  information =)
 
 To save me asking next time ... how did you know that pax-utils was
 to blame?

i saw this error:

 /var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/pam-1.1.4/temp/environment: line 2226:
 scanelf: command not found
  * ERROR: sys-libs/pam-1.1.4 failed (install phase):

and with

% equery b scanelf
 * Searching for scanelf ... 
app-misc/pax-utils-0.2.2 (/usr/bin/scanelf)

i knew that it belonged to pax-utils. that only works, if a package
owning that binary is installed. if there wasn't, i would have used a
web search engine. the results normally contain man pages saying which
package the command belongs to.

that means either /usr/bin/scanelf is missing or /usr/bin is not in the
path (at least not in the environment of portage). i thought the latter
would be unlikely :)



Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 16.10.2011 12:43, schrieb Mick:
 On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 00:05:01 CJoeB wrote:
 Hi everyone,

 Well, thanks to the help I got from the list, I finally have Gentoo
 installed on my new desktop and booting to a command prompt.

 However, now I have a networking issue.

 In past, when I booted to the install CD and my ethernet connection was
 not active, I typed net-setup eth0 and was able to set it up.  This
 time, when I booted to the install CD and typed net-setup eth0, the
 network card was not recognized.  
 
 This means that your kernel is not configured with the corresponding modules 
 for your network card, or that there is some other configuration problem with 
 e.g. firmware loading (if such a thing is necessary for your card).
 
[...]

Also: Are the modules actually loaded before you unload them? Use
`modprobe -vr broadcom tg3`. If there is no output, the module was not
loaded.

Regards,
Florian Philipp



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Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread CJoeB
On 10/16/11 05:59, Stroller wrote:
 On 16 October 2011, at 00:05, CJoeB wrote:
 ...
 However, when I boot, eth0 does not start.  I can start it manually by
 doing 'modprobe -r broadcom' and 'modprobe -r tg3' and then 'modprobe
 broadcom' and 'modprobe tg3'

 However, I would like to have my network started automatically.
 List broadcom and tg3 in /etc/conf.d/modules as per section 7.e. of the 
 install guide.

 http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1chap=7#doc_chap5

I did from the beginning (i.e. before I posted to the list) - it didn't
resolve the issue.

Colleen


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Re: [gentoo-user] My X11 mouse icons have acquired unwanted borders. Help!

2011-10-16 Thread Jesús J . Guerrero Botella
2011/10/16 Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de:
 Hi, Jesús.

 On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 01:41:21PM +0200, Jesús J. Guerrero Botella wrote:
 Does this happen on other WMs as well?

 Yes, it happens on xfce, too.

That probably confirms it's not a gnome issue. The cursor is an X
thing, in any case.

 Also, did you update the driver (whatever it is) recently?

 Ah.  I synched yesterday, and a massive number of packages were updated,
 among them xorg-drivers.  That'll be it, I suppose.

That package is kind of a wrapper around the driver packages, which
are many. You install xorg-drivers as a dependency of xorg-server, and
depending on your VIDEO_CARDS settings in make.conf the relevant
driver packages are also pushed as dependencies into your system.


 Presumably I can configure these drivers somewhere, perhaps in
 ~/.xinitrc?  Is there any documentation for this?



Let us know what your driver is so we can give more concrete details.
But video drivers, just like any other thing that's part of X, can be
configured at /etc/X11/xorg.conf or, more recently, in separate files
under /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/. Some drivers (like, again, the nvidia
binary one) do ship tools that can help you configure the driver by
writing to these files via a GUI frontend. The concrete options that
you can put into this files depend on the concrete driver. For
example, the man page for my driver (xf86-video-ati) can be seen by
using

# man radeon

There I can see all the available options.

If you let us know what driver are you using, then maybe someone who's
familiar with your driver can provide you with more accurate help.

-- 
Jesús Guerrero Botella



Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread CJoeB
On 10/16/11 06:43, Mick wrote:
 On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 00:05:01 CJoeB wrote:
 Hi everyone,


 However, now I have a networking issue.

 In past, when I booted to the install CD and my ethernet connection was
 not active, I typed net-setup eth0 and was able to set it up.  This
 time, when I booted to the install CD and typed net-setup eth0, the
 network card was not recognized.  
 This means that your kernel is not configured with the corresponding modules 
 for your network card, or that there is some other configuration problem with 
 e.g. firmware loading (if such a thing is necessary for your card).

I use genkernel.  Granted, rather than just running genkernel all, I run
genkernel --menuconfig all because I remove stuff that I know I won't
need.  However, in the network section, everything related to broadcom
and tg3 is built as a module.  I even tried building tg3 directly into
the kernel and it didn't help.  I had to do the 'modprobe -r broadcom'
and 'modprobe -r tg3' and then, 'modprobe broadcom' and 'modprobe tg3'
prior to running net-setup even when booted to the install CD.
 I googled and found a post where
 someone said that they had to 'modprobe -r broadcom' and 'modprobe -r
 tg3' and then 'modprobe broadcom' and 'modprobe tg3' and then, run
 net-setup.  I did this and then ifconfig returned my eth0 connection.

 Of course, later you have to do the cp -L /etc/resolv.conf
 /mnt/gentoo/etc/  which I did and dhcpcd has been added to my
 default runlevel.

 However, when I boot, eth0 does not start.  
 What does dmesg show? 
On line states:
tg3 :03:00.0:  Problem fetching invariants of chip, aborting

  

 What does cat /var/log/syslog | grep -i tg3 show

Don't have a syslog file  however,

'cat /var/log/rc.log | grep -i tg3' shows:
*Loading modul tg3 ...

The line is repeated a total of 7 times.
 I can start it manually by
 doing 'modprobe -r broadcom' and 'modprobe -r tg3' and then 'modprobe
 broadcom' and 'modprobe tg3'
 So the question is why when you remove and install the module manually your 
 NIC driver loads, but at boot time it does not ...

Good question and I have no idea!  :-)
 However, I would like to have my network started automatically.

 I do have config_eth0=dhcp in my /etc/conf.d/net file
 Please show:

   grep ^[^#] /etc/conf.d/net
Prior to loading:
config_eth0=dhcp

Note, that this is the format listed in the Handbook.  Previously, in
the Handbook, the format was config_eth0=( dhcp ).  I've tried it both
ways


   ifconfig  and ifconfig -a  (before and after you modprobe the driver)
Before loading:

ifconfig just lists:
loLink encap:Local Loopback
   inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0
   UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1
   RX packets:11 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
   TX packets:11 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
   collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
   RX bytes:198 (198.0 B)  TX bytes:198 (198.0 B)

ifconfig -a lists:
loLink encap:Local Loopback
   inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0
   UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1
   RX packets:18 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
   TX packets:18 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
   collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
   RX bytes:324 (324.0 B)  TX bytes:324 (324.0 B)

After doing ''modprobe -r broadcom' and 'modprobe -r tg3' and then,
'modprobe broadcom' and 'modprobe tg3'

ifconfig lists:

eth0Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 78:2b:cb:ad:9e:47
   inet addr:192.168.2.15  Bcast:192:168.2.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
   UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500 Metric:1
   RX packets:1727 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
   TX packets:908 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
RX bytes:1826702 (1.7 MiB)  TX bytes:67525 (65.9 KiB)

   
lo Link encap:Local Loopback
inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0
UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1
RX packets:46 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:46 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
RX bytes:828 (828.0 B)  TX bytes:828 (828.0 B)

ifconfig -a lists

eth0Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 78:2b:cb:ad:9e:47
   inet addr:192.168.2.15  Bcast:192:168.2.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
   UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500 Metric:1
   RX packets:2024 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
   TX packets:958 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
RX bytes:1846649 (1.7 MiB)  TX bytes:70725 (69.0 KiB)

   
lo Link encap:Local Loopback
inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0
UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1
RX packets:50 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:50 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
RX bytes:1062 (1.0 KiB)  TX 

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread CJoeB
On 10/16/11 08:06, James Broadhead wrote:

Thanks for the input.  This issue is somewhat resolved.
 On 15 October 2011 23:44, CJoeB colleen.bea...@gmail.com wrote:
 (...)
 If this is your first install, is FrameBuffer (pretty consoles) really
 a vital component of getting your machine up and running?
Not my first install - I've been running Gentoo exclusively since 2004. 
Framebuffer is not absolutely necessary I guess, but I really would like
those penguins!  What can I say?  I'm female and I like animals!  LOL

Anyway, I got past the issue I was having where the boot hung.  Now, I'm
on to another issue.

Regards,

Colleen


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Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread CJoeB
On 10/16/11 08:59, Florian Philipp wrote:
 Am 16.10.2011 12:43, schrieb Mick:
 On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 00:05:01 CJoeB wrote:
 Hi everyone,

 Well, thanks to the help I got from the list, I finally have Gentoo
 installed on my new desktop and booting to a command prompt.

 However, now I have a networking issue.

 In past, when I booted to the install CD and my ethernet connection was
 not active, I typed net-setup eth0 and was able to set it up.  This
 time, when I booted to the install CD and typed net-setup eth0, the
 network card was not recognized.  
 This means that your kernel is not configured with the corresponding modules 
 for your network card, or that there is some other configuration problem 
 with 
 e.g. firmware loading (if such a thing is necessary for your card).

 [...]

 Also: Are the modules actually loaded before you unload them? Use
 `modprobe -vr broadcom tg3`. If there is no output, the module was not
 loaded.
Prior to unloading the modules, output from 'modprobe -vr broadcom tg3' is

rmmod /lib/modules/2.6.39-gentoo-r3/kernel/drivers/net/tg3.ko

Regards,

Colleen

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[gentoo-user] Re: My X11 mouse icons have acquired unwanted borders. Help!

2011-10-16 Thread Nikos Chantziaras

On 10/16/2011 04:41 PM, Jesús J. Guerrero Botella wrote:

2011/10/16 Alan Mackenziea...@muc.de:

Hi, Jesús.

On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 01:41:21PM +0200, Jesús J. Guerrero Botella wrote:

Does this happen on other WMs as well?


Yes, it happens on xfce, too.


That probably confirms it's not a gnome issue. The cursor is an X
thing, in any case.


Er, the used mouse pointer can be configured by almost any DE.  You 
don't need to mess with X config files.  And I'm pretty sure it's not 
just KDE that offers a GUI config dialog for this.





Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Matthew Finkel
On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 11:05 AM, CJoeB colleen.bea...@gmail.com wrote:

  Also: Are the modules actually loaded before you unload them? Use
  `modprobe -vr broadcom tg3`. If there is no output, the module was not
  loaded.
 Prior to unloading the modules, output from 'modprobe -vr broadcom tg3' is

 rmmod /lib/modules/2.6.39-gentoo-r3/kernel/drivers/net/tg3.ko


Hi Colleen,

Looks like broadcom isn't loading at boot. Also, I'm not too familiar with
broadcom, but why must you load two modules? I found [1] which sound like
your problem (possibly the site you mentioned earlier) which references a
similar problem when tg3 is loaded before broadcom. You may have already
tried this, but have you tested changing the order in /etc/conf.d/modules?


[1] https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=110026

- Matt

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Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Mick
On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 15:52:51 CJoeB wrote:
 On 10/16/11 06:43, Mick wrote:
  On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 00:05:01 CJoeB wrote:
  Hi everyone,
  
  
  However, now I have a networking issue.
  
  In past, when I booted to the install CD and my ethernet connection was
  not active, I typed net-setup eth0 and was able to set it up.  This
  time, when I booted to the install CD and typed net-setup eth0, the
  network card was not recognized.
  
  This means that your kernel is not configured with the corresponding
  modules for your network card, or that there is some other configuration
  problem with e.g. firmware loading (if such a thing is necessary for
  your card).
 
 I use genkernel.  Granted, rather than just running genkernel all, I run
 genkernel --menuconfig all because I remove stuff that I know I won't
 need.  However, in the network section, everything related to broadcom
 and tg3 is built as a module.  I even tried building tg3 directly into
 the kernel and it didn't help.  I had to do the 'modprobe -r broadcom'
 and 'modprobe -r tg3' and then, 'modprobe broadcom' and 'modprobe tg3'
 prior to running net-setup even when booted to the install CD.

From what your dmesg shows tg3 fails to load.  So there should not be a need 
to remove it.


  I googled and found a post where
  someone said that they had to 'modprobe -r broadcom' and 'modprobe -r
  tg3' and then 'modprobe broadcom' and 'modprobe tg3' and then, run
  net-setup.  I did this and then ifconfig returned my eth0 connection.
  
  Of course, later you have to do the cp -L /etc/resolv.conf
  /mnt/gentoo/etc/  which I did and dhcpcd has been added to my
  default runlevel.
  
  However, when I boot, eth0 does not start.
  
  What does dmesg show?
 
 On line states:
 tg3 :03:00.0:  Problem fetching invariants of chip, aborting

It fails to load.  Something is blocking it from accessing the NIC chipset.


  What does cat /var/log/syslog | grep -i tg3 show
 
 Don't have a syslog file  however,
 
 'cat /var/log/rc.log | grep -i tg3' shows:
 *Loading modul tg3 ...
 
 The line is repeated a total of 7 times.

It should only be there once, unless you tried to load it 7 times?


  I can start it manually by
  doing 'modprobe -r broadcom' and 'modprobe -r tg3' and then 'modprobe
  broadcom' and 'modprobe tg3'
  
  So the question is why when you remove and install the module manually
  your NIC driver loads, but at boot time it does not ...
 
 Good question and I have no idea!  :-)

I looked into it and the answer seems to be a bug in the kernel (there are 
patches out which fix this) that does not make sure that broadcom is loaded 
before tg3.


ifconfig  and ifconfig -a  (before and after you modprobe the driver)
 
 Before loading:
 
 ifconfig just lists:
 loLink encap:Local Loopback
inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0
UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1
RX packets:11 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:11 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
RX bytes:198 (198.0 B)  TX bytes:198 (198.0 B)
 
 ifconfig -a lists:
 loLink encap:Local Loopback
inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0
UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1
RX packets:18 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:18 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
RX bytes:324 (324.0 B)  TX bytes:324 (324.0 B)

The module is not loaded and the kernel has not seen the NIC.


 After doing ''modprobe -r broadcom' and 'modprobe -r tg3' and then,
 'modprobe broadcom' and 'modprobe tg3'
 
 ifconfig lists:
 
 eth0Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 78:2b:cb:ad:9e:47
inet addr:192.168.2.15  Bcast:192:168.2.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:1727 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:908 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
 RX bytes:1826702 (1.7 MiB)  TX bytes:67525 (65.9 KiB)
 
 
 lo Link encap:Local Loopback
 inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0
 UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1
 RX packets:46 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
 TX packets:46 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
 RX bytes:828 (828.0 B)  TX bytes:828 (828.0 B)
 
 ifconfig -a lists
 
 eth0Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 78:2b:cb:ad:9e:47
inet addr:192.168.2.15  Bcast:192:168.2.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:2024 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:958 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
 RX bytes:1846649 (1.7 MiB)  TX bytes:70725 (69.0 KiB)
 
 
 lo Link encap:Local Loopback
 inet 

Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread CJoeB
On 10/16/11 11:29, Matthew Finkel wrote:
 On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 11:05 AM, CJoeB colleen.bea...@gmail.com
 mailto:colleen.bea...@gmail.com wrote:

  Also: Are the modules actually loaded before you unload them? Use
  `modprobe -vr broadcom tg3`. If there is no output, the module
 was not
  loaded.
 Prior to unloading the modules, output from 'modprobe -vr broadcom
 tg3' is

 rmmod /lib/modules/2.6.39-gentoo-r3/kernel/drivers/net/tg3.ko


 Hi Colleen,

 Looks like broadcom isn't loading at boot. Also, I'm not too familiar
 with broadcom, but why must you load two modules? I found [1] which
 sound like your problem (possibly the site you mentioned earlier)
 which references a similar problem when tg3 is loaded before broadcom.
 You may have already tried this, but have you tested changing the
 order in /etc/conf.d/modules?


 [1] https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=110026

 - Matt

 -- 
 Matthew Finkel
Tried changing the order of module loading.  Didn't change anything! 
:-(  But this was a good idea that I never thought of!

Colleen.

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[gentoo-user]

2011-10-16 Thread Dennis Preus
...Together we can do much more! Let’s try this stuff! Please!  
http://advaita.ad.ohost.de/com.friend.php?otayahoo=95ip1
  

Re: [gentoo-user] How to cross compile Perl for ARM?

2011-10-16 Thread czernitko
Hi Leho!
Thanks for many links, Jude Pereira's work totally missed my search results.

In fact I focused on playing with Qemu. First approach was to emulate whole
board (using qemu-system-arm) which works so far best of all, but is
painfully slow (but not more than other options). As for chrooted
environment, I used armv5tel stage3 tarballs available at my university
site:
http://ftp.fi.muni.cz/pub/linux/gentoo/releases/arm/autobuilds/current-stage3-armv5tel/-
it is one of official gentoo mirrors and stage3 tarball contains
everything necessary already compiled, including fully operational perl
5.12.3. I had no problems emerging any other packages, but as I said,
compilation takes ages.

Then I tried to move contents of my emulated folder to my ARM target machine
and on the machine try to chroot inside it. No problem with
compiling/emerging in chrooted environment directly on target machine, but
speed is maybe even lower.

The last approach I tried was using binfmt support to be able to run arm
binaries on my x64 box without the necessity to emulate whole board - I
hoped to have much better performance than when using qemu-system-arm.
Unfortunately it seems that qemu-arm does not support some system calls or
whatever. I untared stage3 on my x64 machine, chrooted into the folder and
tried running emerge - simple arm binaries were running fine, but emerge
ended with errors like qemu: Unsupported syscall: 242...

And last of all, I started documenting my approach on google sites:
https://sites.google.com/site/czernitko/cross-compilation/cross-compiling-perl-for-arm-architecture

Peter

2011/10/16 Leho Kraav l...@kraav.com

 i have managed to cross-compile a pretty complete stage3 for arm i believe
 with perl-5.10.1 from
 http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/embedded-cross.git;a=tree;f=dev-lang/perl

 overall the cross-compile experience was a nightmare, esp. re perl and
 python. many packages obscurely fail, but not enough for you to immediately
 give up. so it keeps sucking you back in and waste even more time. at the
 time i discovered that embedded-cross overlay had mostly done all the
 difficult work for me, but it seems it is no longer updated for recent
 stuff. i think guys in #gentoo-embedded told me it is a lot of effort to
 patch these large packages like perl and python to sanely cross-compile, and
 since i think their product thing didn't work out too well, they weren't
 going to sink any more time into maintaining for newer versions.

 but jude pereira i believe is doing something with arm stages at least
 semi-actively
 http://judepereira.com/blog/gentoo-linux-uclibc-stage3-2010-for-embedded/and 
 it is definitely a lot of fun booting pretty much full blown gentoo on
 things like Nokia N8x0 internet tablets
 https://github.com/slonopotamus/n8x0-overlay




[gentoo-user] Allowable characters for routing table name?

2011-10-16 Thread Pandu Poluan
I'm curious: what are the allowable characters for routing tables aliases in
/etc/iproute2/rt_tables ?

Rgds,


Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Mick
On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 17:08:45 CJoeB wrote:
 On 10/16/11 11:29, Matthew Finkel wrote:
  On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 11:05 AM, CJoeB colleen.bea...@gmail.com
  
  mailto:colleen.bea...@gmail.com wrote:
   Also: Are the modules actually loaded before you unload them? Use
   `modprobe -vr broadcom tg3`. If there is no output, the module
   was not loaded.
  
  Prior to unloading the modules, output from 'modprobe -vr broadcom
  tg3' is
  
  rmmod /lib/modules/2.6.39-gentoo-r3/kernel/drivers/net/tg3.ko
  
  Hi Colleen,
  
  Looks like broadcom isn't loading at boot. Also, I'm not too familiar
  with broadcom, but why must you load two modules? I found [1] which
  sound like your problem (possibly the site you mentioned earlier)
  which references a similar problem when tg3 is loaded before broadcom.
  You may have already tried this, but have you tested changing the
  order in /etc/conf.d/modules?
  
  
  [1] https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=110026
  
  - Matt
 
 Tried changing the order of module loading.  Didn't change anything!
 
 :-(  But this was a good idea that I never thought of!

OK, that leaves the other 2 options I suggested in earlier message.

BTW have you tried the latest stable kernel?  It may have been patched by now.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread CJoeB
On 10/16/11 13:37, Mick wrote:
 On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 17:08:45 CJoeB wrote:
 On 10/16/11 11:29, Matthew Finkel wrote:
 On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 11:05 AM, CJoeB colleen.bea...@gmail.com

 mailto:colleen.bea...@gmail.com wrote:
  Also: Are the modules actually loaded before you unload them? Use
  `modprobe -vr broadcom tg3`. If there is no output, the module
  was not loaded.
 
 Prior to unloading the modules, output from 'modprobe -vr broadcom
 tg3' is
 
 rmmod /lib/modules/2.6.39-gentoo-r3/kernel/drivers/net/tg3.ko

 Hi Colleen,

 Looks like broadcom isn't loading at boot. Also, I'm not too familiar
 with broadcom, but why must you load two modules? I found [1] which
 sound like your problem (possibly the site you mentioned earlier)
 which references a similar problem when tg3 is loaded before broadcom.
 You may have already tried this, but have you tested changing the
 order in /etc/conf.d/modules?


 [1] https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=110026

 - Matt
 Tried changing the order of module loading.  Didn't change anything!

 :-(  But this was a good idea that I never thought of!
 OK, that leaves the other 2 options I suggested in earlier message.

 BTW have you tried the latest stable kernel?  It may have been patched by now.
My head is starting to spin.  I have the latest stable kernel.

Someone said that since tg3 is not loading at boot then, I shouldn't
have to remove it.  However, if I just do 'modprobe tg3', ifconfig just
returns the lo interface.  If I do 'modprobe -r broadcom' 'modprobe
broadcom' and 'modprobe tg3', I still only get the lo interface.  The
only thing that works is removing both modules and adding them again.

I also tried following the openrc document.  The only thing that seems
to suggest a solution is to add arguments for my modules.  I have no
idea what those arguments might be and although I tried googling, I
didn't really find anything that would point me in the right direction.

Colleen


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Re: [gentoo-user] Dennis Ritchie

2011-10-16 Thread Alex Schuster
luis jure writes:

 hello boys [1],
[...]
 [1] sorry if there are any girls out there, but i think i have never seen
 any female names on this list...

I see one :)

Wonko



Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Dale

CJoeB wrote:

On 10/16/11 08:06, James Broadhead wrote:

Thanks for the input.  This issue is somewhat resolved.

On 15 October 2011 23:44, CJoeBcolleen.bea...@gmail.com  wrote:

(...)

If this is your first install, is FrameBuffer (pretty consoles) really
a vital component of getting your machine up and running?

Not my first install - I've been running Gentoo exclusively since 2004.
Framebuffer is not absolutely necessary I guess, but I really would like
those penguins!  What can I say?  I'm female and I like animals!  LOL

Anyway, I got past the issue I was having where the boot hung.  Now, I'm
on to another issue.

Regards,

Colleen




Wow, there is a Gentoo lady here.  Howdy.  tips hat   I thought I 
remembered there being one here but wasn't sure.


Dale

:-)  :-)



Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 15:14:45 -0500
Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:

 CJoeB wrote:
  On 10/16/11 08:06, James Broadhead wrote:
 
  Thanks for the input.  This issue is somewhat resolved.
  On 15 October 2011 23:44, CJoeBcolleen.bea...@gmail.com  wrote:
  (...)
  If this is your first install, is FrameBuffer (pretty consoles)
  really a vital component of getting your machine up and running?
  Not my first install - I've been running Gentoo exclusively since
  2004. Framebuffer is not absolutely necessary I guess, but I really
  would like those penguins!  What can I say?  I'm female and I like
  animals!  LOL
 
  Anyway, I got past the issue I was having where the boot hung.
  Now, I'm on to another issue.
 
  Regards,
 
  Colleen
 
 
 
 Wow, there is a Gentoo lady here.  Howdy.  tips hat   I thought I 
 remembered there being one here but wasn't sure.


Colleen's been here longer than I have :-)


-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 16.10.2011 21:19, schrieb CJoeB:
 On 10/16/11 13:37, Mick wrote:
 On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 17:08:45 CJoeB wrote:
 On 10/16/11 11:29, Matthew Finkel wrote:
 On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 11:05 AM, CJoeB colleen.bea...@gmail.com

 mailto:colleen.bea...@gmail.com wrote:
  Also: Are the modules actually loaded before you unload them? Use
  `modprobe -vr broadcom tg3`. If there is no output, the module
  was not loaded.
 
 Prior to unloading the modules, output from 'modprobe -vr broadcom
 tg3' is
 
 rmmod /lib/modules/2.6.39-gentoo-r3/kernel/drivers/net/tg3.ko

 Hi Colleen,

 Looks like broadcom isn't loading at boot. Also, I'm not too familiar
 with broadcom, but why must you load two modules? I found [1] which
 sound like your problem (possibly the site you mentioned earlier)
 which references a similar problem when tg3 is loaded before broadcom.
 You may have already tried this, but have you tested changing the
 order in /etc/conf.d/modules?


 [1] https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=110026

 - Matt
 Tried changing the order of module loading.  Didn't change anything!

 :-(  But this was a good idea that I never thought of!
 OK, that leaves the other 2 options I suggested in earlier message.

 BTW have you tried the latest stable kernel?  It may have been patched by 
 now.
 My head is starting to spin.  I have the latest stable kernel.
 
 Someone said that since tg3 is not loading at boot then, I shouldn't
 have to remove it.  However, if I just do 'modprobe tg3', ifconfig just
 returns the lo interface.  If I do 'modprobe -r broadcom' 'modprobe
 broadcom' and 'modprobe tg3', I still only get the lo interface.  The
 only thing that works is removing both modules and adding them again.


If it is still this bug [1], then it makes sense that the order in which
the modules are loaded is important. I can't say I really understand
what is going, though.

I've also checked the mainline kernel sources. Neither module was
updated since 2007.

 I also tried following the openrc document.  The only thing that seems
 to suggest a solution is to add arguments for my modules.  I have no
 idea what those arguments might be and although I tried googling, I
 didn't really find anything that would point me in the right direction.
 

You can find out available options using /sbin/modinfo.

[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=525966

Regards,
Florian Philipp



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Re: [gentoo-user] My X11 mouse icons have acquired unwanted borders. Help!

2011-10-16 Thread Alan Mackenzie
On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 03:41:32PM +0200, Jesús J. Guerrero Botella wrote:
 2011/10/16 Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de:

  On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 01:41:21PM +0200, Jesús J. Guerrero Botella wrote:

 That probably confirms it's not a gnome issue. The cursor is an X
 thing, in any case.

  Also, did you update the driver (whatever it is) recently?

  Ah.  I synched yesterday, and a massive number of packages were updated,
  among them xorg-drivers.  That'll be it, I suppose.

 That package is kind of a wrapper around the driver packages, which
 are many. You install xorg-drivers as a dependency of xorg-server, and
 depending on your VIDEO_CARDS settings in make.conf the relevant
 driver packages are also pushed as dependencies into your system.

My setting is 'VIDEO_CARDS=radeonhd radeon'.  I've got two there
because I was never sure which one was the right one.  I've got a card
based on a Radeon HD4550  ;-(

  Presumably I can configure these drivers somewhere, perhaps in
  ~/.xinitrc?  Is there any documentation for this?


 Let us know what your driver is ...

Not quite sure what you mean here.  Do you mean my VIDEO_CARDS?  Other
than that, I've got two binary blobs in my kernel, radeon/R600_rlc.bin
and radeon/R700_rlc.bin.  (Again, I'm not sure which is the correct one.)

 ... so we can give more concrete details.  But video drivers, just like
 any other thing that's part of X, can be configured at
 /etc/X11/xorg.conf or, more recently, in separate files under
 /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/.

I'll go for a monolithic config rather than a fragmented one.  :-)

 Some drivers (like, again, the nvidia binary one) do ship tools that
 can help you configure the driver by writing to these files via a GUI
 frontend. The concrete options that you can put into this files depend
 on the concrete driver. For example, the man page for my driver
 (xf86-video-ati) can be seen by using

 # man radeon

 There I can see all the available options.

 If you let us know what driver are you using, then maybe someone who's
 familiar with your driver can provide you with more accurate help.

 -- 
 Jesús Guerrero Botella

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).



Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread CJoeB
On 10/16/11 16:19, Alan McKinnon wrote:
 On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 15:14:45 -0500
 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:

 CJoeB wrote:
 On 10/16/11 08:06, James Broadhead wrote:

 Thanks for the input.  This issue is somewhat resolved.
 On 15 October 2011 23:44, CJoeBcolleen.bea...@gmail.com  wrote:
 (...)
 If this is your first install, is FrameBuffer (pretty consoles)
 really a vital component of getting your machine up and running?
 Not my first install - I've been running Gentoo exclusively since
 2004. Framebuffer is not absolutely necessary I guess, but I really
 would like those penguins!  What can I say?  I'm female and I like
 animals!  LOL

 Anyway, I got past the issue I was having where the boot hung.
 Now, I'm on to another issue.

 Regards,

 Colleen


 Wow, there is a Gentoo lady here.  Howdy.  tips hat   I thought I 
 remembered there being one here but wasn't sure.

 Colleen's been here longer than I have :-)
Maybe, but I'm not as technical as some of you guys.  I just have an
affection for computers and I'm a control freak - that's why I like
Gentoo!  :-)



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[gentoo-user] Re: How to cross compile Perl for ARM?

2011-10-16 Thread James
czernitko czernitko at gmail.com writes:


 Hello!I started playing a little bit with cross compilation 
 for ARM architecture. Using crossdev I created a toolchain 
 for arm-none-linux-gnueabi tuple.Now I'd like to emerge 
 some more packages, but perl constantly refuses to emerge 
 and it is needed by many packages.

You have the right idea using the gentoo embedded handbook as your guide.

http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/handbook/

You may want to join/post to the gentoo-embedded list where
you'll find much more expertise on ARM and cross-compiling
issues.

hth,
James






Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 22:19:27 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

 Colleen's been here longer than I have :-)

You shouldn't make such statements about a lady :P


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Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 10:52:51 -0400, CJoeB wrote:

 I couldn't do lshw because I had to install it and there was an error
 during the build.  Something about a gui and I don't have x installed
 yet.

USE=-gtk emerge -1 lshw


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Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 17:02:08 +0100, Mick wrote:

 As I said above the kernel ought to manage the order in which the
 modules and dependencies are loaded.

Would building one modules into the kernel and the other as a module
solve (well, kludge) the loading order problem?


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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 22:22:30 +0100
Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:

 On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 22:19:27 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
 
  Colleen's been here longer than I have :-)
 
 You shouldn't make such statements about a lady :P
 
 


True, but I'm a geek :-)


Social subtleties (and even manners as a whole) is something that goes
right over my head


-- 
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alan.mckin...@gmail.com



Re: [gentoo-user] Dennis Ritchie

2011-10-16 Thread luis jure
on 2011-10-16 at 22:03 Alex Schuster wrote:


 [1] sorry if there are any girls out there, but i think i have never
 seen any female names on this list...

I see one :)


yes, so do i, now, after sending my last message... 

sorry, colleen, i hadn't noticed you before. are you new on the list?



Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread CJoeB
On 10/16/11 17:22, Neil Bothwick wrote:
 On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 22:19:27 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

 Colleen's been here longer than I have :-)
 You shouldn't make such statements about a lady :P


That gave me a huge laugh!  Good considering the trials and tribulations
I've gone through with my networking issue.  However, Alan could
possibly be right! I ain't no spring chicken!  LOL

Colleen

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Re: [gentoo-user] Dennis Ritchie

2011-10-16 Thread Alex Schuster
luis jure writes:

 on 2011-10-16 at 22:03 Alex Schuster wrote:
 
 [1] sorry if there are any girls out there, but i think i have never
 seen any female names on this list...

 I see one :)
 
 yes, so do i, now, after sending my last message... 
 
 sorry, colleen, i hadn't noticed you before. are you new on the list?

You'd be surprised :-)

Wonko



Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread CJoeB
On 10/16/11 17:24, Neil Bothwick wrote:
 On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 17:02:08 +0100, Mick wrote:

 As I said above the kernel ought to manage the order in which the
 modules and dependencies are loaded.
 Would building one modules into the kernel and the other as a module
 solve (well, kludge) the loading order problem?


Tried building tg3 directly into the kernel.  It didn't help.  :-(

Colleen

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Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Mick
On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 22:24:17 Neil Bothwick wrote:
 On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 17:02:08 +0100, Mick wrote:
  As I said above the kernel ought to manage the order in which the
  modules and dependencies are loaded.
 
 Would building one modules into the kernel and the other as a module
 solve (well, kludge) the loading order problem?

I don't know really - but it would be something that I would try if I had this 
problem.

The only other thing is a local init script to do the deed.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: My X11 mouse icons have acquired unwanted borders. Help!

2011-10-16 Thread Jesús J . Guerrero Botella
2011/10/16 Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de:
 On 10/16/2011 04:41 PM, Jesús J. Guerrero Botella wrote:

 2011/10/16 Alan Mackenziea...@muc.de:

 Hi, Jesús.

 On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 01:41:21PM +0200, Jesús J. Guerrero Botella
 wrote:

 Does this happen on other WMs as well?

 Yes, it happens on xfce, too.

 That probably confirms it's not a gnome issue. The cursor is an X
 thing, in any case.

 Er, the used mouse pointer can be configured by almost any DE.  You don't
 need to mess with X config files.  And I'm pretty sure it's not just KDE
 that offers a GUI config dialog for this.

I assumed that the problem of the OP is not that s/he's not able to
set a pointer theme. Maybe I was wrong in that assumption. If that's
the case then this can be easily sorted out by opening the gnome
control center as you said, and setting the mouse theme. There are
many themes in the portage tree as well.

It can be set manually in ~/.Xdefaults as well. OR just by putting the
theme in /usr/share/icons/default/ or ~/.icons/default/, if my memory
serves correctly. You can pick any mouse pointer theme from
{gnome,kde}-look as well and install it as described.

I have no idea if the default X pointer theme has changed lately.

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Jesús Guerrero Botella



Re: [gentoo-user] Dennis Ritchie

2011-10-16 Thread luis jure
on 2011-10-16 at 23:54 Alex Schuster wrote:


luis jure writes:

 sorry, colleen, i hadn't noticed you before. are you new on the list?

You'd be surprised :-)

oops, i see! sorry again!



Re: [gentoo-user] My X11 mouse icons have acquired unwanted borders. Help!

2011-10-16 Thread Jesús J . Guerrero Botella
2011/10/16 Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de:
 On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 03:41:32PM +0200, Jesús J. Guerrero Botella wrote:
 2011/10/16 Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de:

Your doubts come to an end. radeonhd is dead, completely, unless some
necromancy has happened secretly in the last months. You should by all
means be using radeon, not radeonhd. But don't take my word for it,
just read their home page:

http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonhd

 Not quite sure what you mean here.  Do you mean my VIDEO_CARDS?  Other
 than that, I've got two binary blobs in my kernel, radeon/R600_rlc.bin
 and radeon/R700_rlc.bin.  (Again, I'm not sure which is the correct one.)

That's firmware, other than having it installed, you don't need to
worry about that. Your driver will be picked by X if you don't have an
Xorg.conf file. I am not sure what the order of precedence is when
looking for drivers, but I'd expect radeon to take over radeonhd. Your
log file (usually at /var/log/Xorg.0.log) should clear everything up.

But before continuing this way, please, read the other mail I just
sent as response to Nikos above. Maybe all you need is to find how to
set the mouse pointer theme. Did you try changing it? Since I didn't
see your problem myself I have no idea if there's something unusual in
the way that X is displaying your pointer or if it's just that you
don't like the look of it.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Mick
On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 22:56:36 CJoeB wrote:
 On 10/16/11 17:22, Neil Bothwick wrote:
  On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 22:19:27 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
  Colleen's been here longer than I have :-)
  
  You shouldn't make such statements about a lady :P
 
 That gave me a huge laugh!  Good considering the trials and tribulations
 I've gone through with my networking issue.  However, Alan could
 possibly be right! I ain't no spring chicken!  LOL
 
 Colleen

There were two women still active on the list on the last count, Colleen being 
one of them.

There were a couple more back in 2004/05 but have dropped off since and so has 
my memory!  Can't recall their names.  :-(
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Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Mick
On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 23:04:00 CJoeB wrote:
 On 10/16/11 17:24, Neil Bothwick wrote:
  On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 17:02:08 +0100, Mick wrote:
  As I said above the kernel ought to manage the order in which the
  modules and dependencies are loaded.
  
  Would building one modules into the kernel and the other as a module
  solve (well, kludge) the loading order problem?
 
 Tried building tg3 directly into the kernel.  It didn't help.  :-(

Try building both broadcom and tg3 directly into the kernel.

If upon reboot that doesn't work build broadcom in the kernel and tg3 as a 
module.

If nothing else works, set up Florian's recommended init.d script and that 
should sort it out.
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Regards,
Mick


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Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 16.10.2011 12:18, schrieb Mick:
 On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 11:05:55 Florian Philipp wrote:
 Am 16.10.2011 01:05, schrieb CJoeB:
 Hi everyone,

 Well, thanks to the help I got from the list, I finally have Gentoo
 installed on my new desktop and booting to a command prompt.

 However, now I have a networking issue.

 In past, when I booted to the install CD and my ethernet connection was
 not active, I typed net-setup eth0 and was able to set it up.  This
 time, when I booted to the install CD and typed net-setup eth0, the
 network card was not recognized.  I googled and found a post where
 someone said that they had to 'modprobe -r broadcom' and 'modprobe -r
 tg3' and then 'modprobe broadcom' and 'modprobe tg3' and then, run
 net-setup.  I did this and then ifconfig returned my eth0 connection.

 Of course, later you have to do the cp -L /etc/resolv.conf
 /mnt/gentoo/etc/  which I did and dhcpcd has been added to my
 default runlevel.

 However, when I boot, eth0 does not start.  I can start it manually by
 doing 'modprobe -r broadcom' and 'modprobe -r tg3' and then 'modprobe
 broadcom' and 'modprobe tg3'

 However, I would like to have my network started automatically.

 I do have config_eth0=dhcp in my /etc/conf.d/net file

 Any suggestions?

 Colleen

 Hmm, a workaround would be a custom init script. Copy the following code
 into a new file in /etc/init.d (let's say /etc/init.d/broadcom-fix):

 #!/sbin/runscript
 description=Reload broadcom and tg3 modules to work around kernel bug
 depend() {
 before net
  after modules
 }
 start()
 {
  ebegin Reloading broadcom and tg3 modules
  modprobe -r broadcom tg3 
  modprobe broadcom 
  modprobe tg3
  eend $? Failed to reload modules
 }

 Make it executable (chmod 755) and add it to the default run level
 (rc-update add broadcom-fix default).

 Better try to start it manually before rebooting so you can be sure it
 works as expected.

 Hope this helps,
 Florian Philipp
 
 This would be a workaround - the question is why does the module need to be 
 removed and reinstalled manually?  Why isn't the kernel loading it at boot 
 time?

I agree that the problem should be solved but just in case Colleen wants
to continue with his installation (I know, he is installing Gentoo for
the first time so I doubt he values his time very high ;-) ), I suggest
he either implements my proposal outlined above or adds similar code to
/etc/conf.d/net:

preup() {
if [ $IFACE = eth0 ]; then
ebegin Reloading broadcom and tg3 modules
modprobe -r foo bar 
modprobe broadcom 
modprobe tg3
ewend $? Failed to reload modules
fi
return 0
}



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Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Alex Schuster
Florian Philipp is not up to date yet:

 I agree that the problem should be solved but just in case Colleen wants
 to continue with his installation (I know, he is installing Gentoo for
   ~~~   ~~~

 the first time so I doubt he values his time very high ;-) ), I suggest
  ~~~~~~~

Read the rest of this thread, you'll be quite surprised :-)

Wonko



Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread CJoeB
On 10/16/11 16:19, Alan McKinnon wrote:
 On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 15:14:45 -0500
 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:

 CJoeB wrote:
 On 10/16/11 08:06, James Broadhead wrote:

 Thanks for the input.  This issue is somewhat resolved.
 On 15 October 2011 23:44, CJoeBcolleen.bea...@gmail.com  wrote:
 (...)
 Not my first install - I've been running Gentoo exclusively since
 2004. Framebuffer is not absolutely necessary I guess, but I really
 would like those penguins!  What can I say?  I'm female and I like
 animals!  LOL

Well, still no penguins, but I won't belabour that issue.  However,
something is still screwy, methinks!

I got X installed and kdebase-meta (haven't gone farther than that)
without much of an issue.  However, now when I exit my xsession, the
screen goes fuzzy coloured before the scrolling of the services shutting
down starts.  I can live with this, but if anyone has any ideas, let me
know.

BTW, I had forgotten to run 'eselect opengl set ati' which I've always
done when configuring X.  However, when I do this, it returns
'Unrecognized option:  ati'

You all are probably thinking I'm nuts now, but I thought this my solve
the issue as stated about.  I've checked an rechecked the Gentoo ATI
Guide and I've done everything it says.

Regards,

Colleen

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Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread CJoeB
On 10/16/11 18:23, Mick wrote:
 On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 23:04:00 CJoeB wrote:
 On 10/16/11 17:24, Neil Bothwick wrote:
 On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 17:02:08 +0100, Mick wrote:
 As I said above the kernel ought to manage the order in which the
 modules and dependencies are loaded.
 Would building one modules into the kernel and the other as a module
 solve (well, kludge) the loading order problem?
 Tried building tg3 directly into the kernel.  It didn't help.  :-(
 Try building both broadcom and tg3 directly into the kernel.

 If upon reboot that doesn't work build broadcom in the kernel and tg3 as a 
 module.

 If nothing else works, set up Florian's recommended init.d script and that 
 should sort it out.

I'll try the initscript.  Hopefully, the issue will be solved when I can
get another kernel.

Thanks for all the help, guys!  :-)

Colleen


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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Adam Carter
 BTW, I had forgotten to run 'eselect opengl set ati' which I've always
 done when configuring X.  However, when I do this, it returns
 'Unrecognized option:  ati'

 You all are probably thinking I'm nuts now, but I thought this my solve
 the issue as stated about.  I've checked an rechecked the Gentoo ATI
 Guide and I've done everything it says.

Try eselect opengl list to show what's available. IIRC ati will use
fglrx. There may be an option called radeon, which you can used
instead.



Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread CJoeB
On 10/16/11 20:38, Adam Carter wrote:
 BTW, I had forgotten to run 'eselect opengl set ati' which I've always
 done when configuring X.  However, when I do this, it returns
 'Unrecognized option:  ati'

 You all are probably thinking I'm nuts now, but I thought this my solve
 the issue as stated about.  I've checked an rechecked the Gentoo ATI
 Guide and I've done everything it says.
 Try eselect opengl list to show what's available. IIRC ati will use
 fglrx. There may be an option called radeon, which you can used
 instead.


I had already done this and the only option that is listed is 'xorg-x11 *'

The * is actually included in the output and I was too chicken to try
this.  I don't understand why ati or radeon isn't listed 'cause I
followed the Gentoo ATI Guide and X Configuration Guide.

Regards,

Colleen


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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Andrey Moshbear
On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 21:46, CJoeB colleen.bea...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 10/16/11 20:38, Adam Carter wrote:
 BTW, I had forgotten to run 'eselect opengl set ati' which I've always
 done when configuring X.  However, when I do this, it returns
 'Unrecognized option:  ati'

 You all are probably thinking I'm nuts now, but I thought this my solve
 the issue as stated about.  I've checked an rechecked the Gentoo ATI
 Guide and I've done everything it says.
 Try eselect opengl list to show what's available. IIRC ati will use
 fglrx. There may be an option called radeon, which you can used
 instead.


 I had already done this and the only option that is listed is 'xorg-x11 *'

 The * is actually included in the output and I was too chicken to try
 this.  I don't understand why ati or radeon isn't listed 'cause I
 followed the Gentoo ATI Guide and X Configuration Guide.


Is your ati card covered under radeon (classic) or radeonhd? Unless
you need hardware 3d, fglrx is too much effort.
More bitchy than nvidia, too. (Unselect 'Use OpenGL' v2 in Destkop
Effects-Advanced to keep kwin from crashing).
Also, LXDE looks prettier than KDE4 without OpenGL, and XRender
disables half the plugins because they require OpenGL.
A prime example of this is the desktop cube.

-- m0shbear



Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Adam Carter
 The * is actually included in the output and I was too chicken to try
 this.  I don't understand why ati or radeon isn't listed 'cause I
 followed the Gentoo ATI Guide and X Configuration Guide.

Do you have the opengl USE flag set?

SNIP, fglrx is too much effort.

fglrx is no trouble at all, but you need to be running a recent card
as it doesn't support the older chipsets.



[gentoo-user] libpng15: fltk graphicsmagick failed to build

2011-10-16 Thread meino . cramer
Hi,

after updating to lipng15 and rebuilding all needed stuff, fltk
and graphicsmagick exhibit build failures:

=== FLTK ===

Compiling FileIcon2.cxx...
Compiling Fl_Guess_Image.cxx...
Compiling fl_jpeg.cxx...
Compiling fl_png.cxx...
fl_png.cxx: In member function ‘virtual bool fltk::pngImage::fetch()’:
fl_png.cxx:114:7: error: invalid use of incomplete type ‘struct png_struct’
/usr/include/png.h:830:16: error: forward declaration of ‘struct png_struct’
make[1]: *** [fl_png.o] Error 1
make: *** [all] Error 2
emake failed
 * ERROR: x11-libs/fltk-2.0_pre6970 failed (compile phase):
 *   make failed
 * 
 * Call stack:
 * ebuild.sh, line  56:  Called src_compile
 *   environment, line 3146:  Called die
 * The specific snippet of code:
 *   emake || die make failed;
 * 


=== GRAPHICSMAGICK ===

mv -f coders/.deps/coders_jp2_la-jp2.Tpo coders/.deps/coders_jp2_la-jp2.Plo
/bin/sh ./libtool  --tag=CC   --mode=link x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -std=gnu99  
-march=native -O2 -pipe -msse3 -Wall -no-undefined -export-symbols-regex .* 
-shared -module -avoid-version -Wl,-O1 -Wl,--as-needed -o coders/jp2.la -rpath 
/usr/lib64/GraphicsMagick-1.3.12/modules-Q8/coders coders/coders_jp2_la-jp2.lo 
magick/libGraphicsMagick.la -ljasper -ljpeg -lm 
libtool: link: /usr/bin/nm -B  coders/.libs/coders_jp2_la-jp2.o   | sed -n -e 
's/^.*[]\([ABCDGIRSTW][ABCDGIRSTW]*\)[ ][  
]*\([_A-Za-z][_A-Za-z0-9]*\)$/\1 \2 \2/p' | /bin/sed 's/.* //' | sort | uniq  
coders/.libs/jp2.exp
libtool: link: /bin/grep -E -e .* coders/.libs/jp2.exp  
coders/.libs/jp2.expT
libtool: link: mv -f coders/.libs/jp2.expT coders/.libs/jp2.exp
libtool: link: echo { global:  coders/.libs/jp2.ver
libtool: link:  cat coders/.libs/jp2.exp | sed -e s/\(.*\)/\1;/  
coders/.libs/jp2.ver
libtool: link:  echo local: *; };  coders/.libs/jp2.ver
libtool: link:  x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -std=gnu99 -shared  
coders/.libs/coders_jp2_la-jp2.o   -Wl,-rpath 
-Wl,/var/tmp/portage/media-gfx/graphicsmagick-1.3.12/work/GraphicsMagick-1.3.12/magick/.libs
 magick/.libs/libGraphicsMagick.so -L/usr/lib64 -lXext /usr/lib64/libSM.so 
-luuid /usr/lib64/libICE.so -lX11 -lbz2 -lz /usr/lib64/libltdl.so -ldl -ljasper 
-ljpeg -lm  -march=native -msse3 -Wl,-O1 -Wl,--as-needed   -Wl,-soname 
-Wl,jp2.so -Wl,-version-script -Wl,coders/.libs/jp2.ver -o coders/.libs/jp2.so
libtool: link: ( cd coders/.libs  rm -f jp2.la  ln -s ../jp2.la 
jp2.la )
/bin/sh ./libtool  --tag=CC   --mode=compile x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -std=gnu99 
-DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I./magick -march=native -O2 -pipe -msse3 -Wall -MT 
coders/coders_png_la-png.lo -MD -MP -MF coders/.deps/coders_png_la-png.Tpo -c 
-o coders/coders_png_la-png.lo `test -f 'coders/png.c' || echo './'`coders/png.c
libtool: compile:  x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -std=gnu99 -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. 
-I./magick -march=native -O2 -pipe -msse3 -Wall -MT coders/coders_png_la-png.lo 
-MD -MP -MF coders/.deps/coders_png_la-png.Tpo -c coders/png.c  -fPIC -DPIC -o 
coders/.libs/coders_png_la-png.o
coders/png.c: In function ‘PNGErrorHandler’:
coders/png.c:1354:15: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
coders/png.c: In function ‘ReadOnePNGImage’:
coders/png.c:1668:7: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
coders/png.c:1752:16: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
coders/png.c:1754:21: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
coders/png.c:1764:53: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
coders/png.c:1765:53: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
coders/png.c:1768:38: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
coders/png.c:1768:61: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
coders/png.c:1771:38: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
coders/png.c:1774:38: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
coders/png.c:1774:64: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
coders/png.c:1778:16: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
coders/png.c:1791:27: warning: passing argument 5 of ‘png_get_iCCP’ from 
incompatible pointer type
/usr/include/png.h:2235:1: note: expected ‘png_bytepp’ but argument is of type 
‘char **’
coders/png.c:1843:16: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
coders/png.c:1871:14: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
coders/png.c:1873:14: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
coders/png.c:1875:44: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
coders/png.c:1888:16: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
coders/png.c:1932:20: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
coders/png.c:1936:16: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
coders/png.c:1945:42: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
coders/png.c:1952:30: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
coders/png.c:1969:28: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
coders/png.c:1979:47: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
coders/png.c:1998:48: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
coders/png.c:2000:16: error: 

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Dale

CJoeB wrote:

On 10/16/11 16:19, Alan McKinnon wrote:

On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 15:14:45 -0500
Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com  wrote:


CJoeB wrote:

On 10/16/11 08:06, James Broadhead wrote:

Thanks for the input.  This issue is somewhat resolved.

On 15 October 2011 23:44, CJoeBcolleen.bea...@gmail.com   wrote:

(...)

If this is your first install, is FrameBuffer (pretty consoles)
really a vital component of getting your machine up and running?

Not my first install - I've been running Gentoo exclusively since
2004. Framebuffer is not absolutely necessary I guess, but I really
would like those penguins!  What can I say?  I'm female and I like
animals!  LOL

Anyway, I got past the issue I was having where the boot hung.
Now, I'm on to another issue.

Regards,

Colleen



Wow, there is a Gentoo lady here.  Howdy.  tips hat   I thought I
remembered there being one here but wasn't sure.

Colleen's been here longer than I have :-)

Maybe, but I'm not as technical as some of you guys.  I just have an
affection for computers and I'm a control freak - that's why I like
Gentoo!  :-)






That's funny.  Sort of the same here.  First time that init thingy fails 
tho, I may be cured of my control issues.  Then I can go back to a 
binary distro.  lol


Dale

:-)  :-)



Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Andrey Moshbear
On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 22:06, Adam Carter adamcart...@gmail.com wrote:
 The * is actually included in the output and I was too chicken to try
 this.  I don't understand why ati or radeon isn't listed 'cause I
 followed the Gentoo ATI Guide and X Configuration Guide.

 Do you have the opengl USE flag set?

 SNIP, fglrx is too much effort.

 fglrx is no trouble at all, but you need to be running a recent card
 as it doesn't support the older chipsets.

It was too buggy for my tastes.