[gentoo-user] gentoo as iscsi target
Hi, since gentoo-sources is only working by fiddling with the sources of iscsi-target what is the future here? Lio-Stuff is in portage but masked with ** and doesn't build. Is there anyhthing happening in this area? Regards, Konstantin -- Dipl-Inf. Konstantin Agouros aka Elwood Blues. Internet: elw...@agouros.de Altersheimerstr. 1, 81545 Muenchen, Germany. Tel +49 89 69370185 Captain, this ship will not survive the forming of the cosmos. B'Elana Torres
Re: [gentoo-user] My PC died. What should I try?
I wrote: Well, all I can do now is to get a new board and see if things will be okay then. This took longer than expected. The board I wanted (the same I already have) was not available, I had to order it. Strange, there is only one that has the features I want - AMD3+ chipset, four memory banks, USB 3, and on-board graphics. So I had to wait. And when it became available, I wondered if it might be the processor instead that has the problem, so I let the PC shop diagnose CPU and board. This took until today, and they confirmed it was the board indeed, not the CPU. Fine, I bought the board, installed it in the PC, and guess what - it doesn't work. On the first boot I saw some BIOS status messages, hard drives and such, but the keyboard did not react, and then it did not boot, I got a black screen only. And on subsequent tries, with everything (2 ISDN cards, 4 hard drives) except for the DVD drive removed, the screen does not even turn on. All fans spin, and the DVD-ROM tray opens when I press the eject button. That's all. No keyboard LEDs. This sucks. Is it a faulty board again? Is something (the PSU?) killing the board once I turn the thing on? What will happen when I have the next board and try again? Argh. Wonko
Re: [gentoo-user] My PC died. What should I try?
Am Dienstag, 28. August 2012, 22:57:43 schrieb Alex Schuster: I wrote: Well, all I can do now is to get a new board and see if things will be okay then. This took longer than expected. The board I wanted (the same I already have) was not available, I had to order it. Strange, there is only one that has the features I want - AMD3+ chipset, four memory banks, USB 3, and on-board graphics. So I had to wait. And when it became available, I wondered if it might be the processor instead that has the problem, so I let the PC shop diagnose CPU and board. This took until today, and they confirmed it was the board indeed, not the CPU. Fine, I bought the board, installed it in the PC, and guess what - it doesn't work. On the first boot I saw some BIOS status messages, hard drives and such, but the keyboard did not react, and then it did not boot, I got a black screen only. And on subsequent tries, with everything (2 ISDN cards, 4 hard drives) except for the DVD drive removed, the screen does not even turn on. All fans spin, and the DVD-ROM tray opens when I press the eject button. That's all. No keyboard LEDs. This sucks. Is it a faulty board again? Is something (the PSU?) killing the board once I turn the thing on? What will happen when I have the next board and try again? Argh. so - instead of changing the PSU, the obvious culprit, you got a new board AND USED THE SAME PSU? I am just saying - one faulty PSU fried three of my boards. Enermax... will never buy again. The fans spin, so not all hope is lost. Keyboard, ps/2? usb? But before you do anything else, change the PSU. -- #163933
Re: [gentoo-user] My PC died. What should I try?
On 08/28/2012 01:57 PM, Alex Schuster wrote: So I had to wait. And when it became available, I wondered if it might be the processor instead that has the problem, so I let the PC shop diagnose CPU and board. This took until today, and they confirmed it was the board indeed, not the CPU. Fine, I bought the board, installed it in the PC, and guess what - it doesn't work. On the first boot I saw some BIOS status messages, hard drives and such, but the keyboard did not react, and then it did not boot, I got a black screen only. And on subsequent tries, with everything (2 ISDN cards, 4 hard drives) except for the DVD drive removed, the screen does not even turn on. All fans spin, and the DVD-ROM tray opens when I press the eject button. That's all. No keyboard LEDs. This sucks. Is it a faulty board again? Is something (the PSU?) killing the board once I turn the thing on? What will happen when I have the next board and try again? Argh. Hello, I would suggest check the psu connector plugs with a multimeter to find out if it is working properly? http://pcsupport.about.com/od/toolsofthetrade/ht/power-supply-test-multimeter.htm And if the motherboard is somehow shorting out inside the case http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/307187-30-motherboard-shorting-case
Re: [gentoo-user] My PC died. What should I try?
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Edward M martinezedward...@gmail.com wrote: And if the motherboard is somehow shorting out inside the case http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/307187-30-motherboard-shorting-case I completely forget that I had this happen once. The case design was such that part of the motherboard contacted metal of the case. When I tried to turn on, it would short and fail to boot up. I had to get a piece of sticky film and made a layer on the case in the area where it was touching. After doing that it worked fine.
Re: [gentoo-user] My PC died. What should I try?
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Edward M martinezedward...@gmail.com wrote: And if the motherboard is somehow shorting out inside the case http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/307187-30-motherboard-shorting-case I completely forget that I had this happen once. The case design was such that part of the motherboard contacted metal of the case. When I tried to turn on, it would short and fail to boot up. I had to get a piece of sticky film and made a layer on the case in the area where it was touching. After doing that it worked fine. Cases usually ship with standoffs to prevent that kind of thing. The standoffs look like screws with screwholes in them, and a hexagonal shaft you can manage with your fingers, a socket wrench or (non-needlenose) pliers. -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] My PC died. What should I try?
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Edward M martinezedward...@gmail.com wrote: And if the motherboard is somehow shorting out inside the case http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/307187-30-motherboard-shorting-case I completely forget that I had this happen once. The case design was such that part of the motherboard contacted metal of the case. When I tried to turn on, it would short and fail to boot up. I had to get a piece of sticky film and made a layer on the case in the area where it was touching. After doing that it worked fine. Cases usually ship with standoffs to prevent that kind of thing. The standoffs look like screws with screwholes in them, and a hexagonal shaft you can manage with your fingers, a socket wrench or (non-needlenose) pliers. In my case (no pun intended) it was shorting even with the standoffs because of the way a cut-out in the metal under the motherboard had rolled edges that curled up toward the motherboard. It was a known defective-by-design situation and later revisions of the case solved the problem. :) I think it was a Thermaltake case if I remember correctly.
Re: [gentoo-user] My PC died. What should I try?
On Tuesday 28 August 2012 21:57:43 Alex Schuster wrote: I wrote: Well, all I can do now is to get a new board and see if things will be okay then. [...] So I had to wait. And when it became available, I wondered if it might be the processor instead that has the problem, so I let the PC shop diagnose CPU and board. This took until today, and they confirmed it was the board indeed, not the CPU. Let me get this straight. The shop ran tests and concluded that the motherboard was faulty, not the CPU? Fine, I bought the board ...it having been tested and found faulty! guess what - it doesn't work. Sorry, but I must be misreading this. You've said that the board was diagnosed faulty, but you bought it anyway and it turned out faulty. Where is the mystery? Is this a problem with the English language? I thought I knew it inside- out, upside-down and back-to-front. I still think so. Yet your account has you tying yourself in knots over a known fault. -- Rgds Peter
Re: [gentoo-user] My PC died. What should I try?
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Peter Humphrey pe...@humphrey.ukfsn.org wrote: On Tuesday 28 August 2012 21:57:43 Alex Schuster wrote: I wrote: Well, all I can do now is to get a new board and see if things will be okay then. [...] So I had to wait. And when it became available, I wondered if it might be the processor instead that has the problem, so I let the PC shop diagnose CPU and board. This took until today, and they confirmed it was the board indeed, not the CPU. Let me get this straight. The shop ran tests and concluded that the motherboard was faulty, not the CPU? Fine, I bought the board ...it having been tested and found faulty! guess what - it doesn't work. Sorry, but I must be misreading this. You've said that the board was diagnosed faulty, but you bought it anyway and it turned out faulty. Where is the mystery? The test would have been done on his old board, which the shop diagnosed to be faulty. Having had that diagnosed, he proceeded to buy a new board, which also failed. Is this a problem with the English language? I thought I knew it inside- out, upside-down and back-to-front. I still think so. Yet your account has you tying yourself in knots over a known fault. Too many uses of the insufficiently-explicit the board...but (in English) such ambiguities are usually resolved by surrounding context. -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] My PC died. What should I try?
On Wed, 29 Aug 2012 01:15:30 +0100 Peter Humphrey pe...@humphrey.ukfsn.org wrote: On Tuesday 28 August 2012 21:57:43 Alex Schuster wrote: I wrote: Well, all I can do now is to get a new board and see if things will be okay then. [...] So I had to wait. And when it became available, I wondered if it might be the processor instead that has the problem, so I let the PC shop diagnose CPU and board. This took until today, and they confirmed it was the board indeed, not the CPU. Let me get this straight. The shop ran tests and concluded that the motherboard was faulty, not the CPU? Fine, I bought the board ...it having been tested and found faulty! guess what - it doesn't work. Sorry, but I must be misreading this. You've said that the board was diagnosed faulty, but you bought it anyway and it turned out faulty. Where is the mystery? Is this a problem with the English language? I thought I knew it inside- out, upside-down and back-to-front. I still think so. Yet your account has you tying yourself in knots over a known fault. No, not at all. He means (just read the whole mail with a view to understanding the communication, not finding the grammar faults) that the shop diagnosed the old board was faulty so he bought a new board which involved a week's wait. That board now might be faulty too. Most obvious cause: Something is breaking the motherboards. Most obvious root cause: PSU Rule #1 in dealing with odd weird strange computer faults is ALWAYS test with another PSU of at least twice the capacity you think you need. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] My PC died. What should I try?
On Tue, 28 Aug 2012 20:28:31 -0400 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: Is this a problem with the English language? I thought I knew it inside- out, upside-down and back-to-front. I still think so. Yet your account has you tying yourself in knots over a known fault. Too many uses of the insufficiently-explicit the board...but (in English) such ambiguities are usually resolved by surrounding context. evil thought hey, here's an idea, let's fix that by using Hungarian decorators on all English nouns! -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] My PC died. What should I try?
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 28 Aug 2012 20:28:31 -0400 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: Is this a problem with the English language? I thought I knew it inside- out, upside-down and back-to-front. I still think so. Yet your account has you tying yourself in knots over a known fault. Too many uses of the insufficiently-explicit the board...but (in English) such ambiguities are usually resolved by surrounding context. evil thought hey, here's an idea, let's fix that by using Hungarian decorators on all English nouns! What, and get Esperanto? (Or Latin. Or Italian. Or Spanish.) -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] My PC died. What should I try?
Alan McKinnon wrote: Rule #1 in dealing with odd weird strange computer faults is ALWAYS test with another PSU of at least twice the capacity you think you need. +1 I always start with the P/S. Well, unless I see something else unrelated letting the smoke out. Even then tho, a bad P/S can cause the smoke to get out of something else too. It's good advice all the way around. Why not let the computer shop test the P/S? If it blows up something of theirs, it's bad. ;-) Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] My PC died. What should I try?
On Wednesday 29 August 2012 01:29:00 Alan McKinnon wrote: No, not at all. He means (just read the whole mail with a view to understanding the communication, not finding the grammar faults) That's what I did. I read the words he wrote, several times. Grammar faults? I noticed none. -- Rgds Peter
Re: [gentoo-user] My PC died. What should I try?
On Tue, 28 Aug 2012 20:04:55 -0500 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: Rule #1 in dealing with odd weird strange computer faults is ALWAYS test with another PSU of at least twice the capacity you think you need. +1 I always start with the P/S. Well, unless I see something else unrelated letting the smoke out. Even then tho, a bad P/S can cause the smoke to get out of something else too. It's good advice all the way around. Why not let the computer shop test the P/S? If it blows up something of theirs, it's bad. ;-) You obviously have a much better opinion of the average repair techie than I do. The average repair techie would know how to fault find his way out of a paper bag - the change bits till it starts working is the only technique they know. That's not to say you don't get good ones - you do - but they are rare. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] My PC died. What should I try?
On Tue, 28 Aug 2012 20:43:29 -0400 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 28 Aug 2012 20:28:31 -0400 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: Is this a problem with the English language? I thought I knew it inside- out, upside-down and back-to-front. I still think so. Yet your account has you tying yourself in knots over a known fault. Too many uses of the insufficiently-explicit the board...but (in English) such ambiguities are usually resolved by surrounding context. evil thought hey, here's an idea, let's fix that by using Hungarian decorators on all English nouns! What, and get Esperanto? (Or Latin. Or Italian. Or Spanish.) Or Fanagalo. It exists - go on, google it :-) -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] My PC died. What should I try?
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tue, 28 Aug 2012 20:04:55 -0500 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: Rule #1 in dealing with odd weird strange computer faults is ALWAYS test with another PSU of at least twice the capacity you think you need. +1 I always start with the P/S. Well, unless I see something else unrelated letting the smoke out. Even then tho, a bad P/S can cause the smoke to get out of something else too. It's good advice all the way around. Why not let the computer shop test the P/S? If it blows up something of theirs, it's bad. ;-) You obviously have a much better opinion of the average repair techie than I do. The average repair techie would know how to fault find his way out of a paper bag - the change bits till it starts working is the only technique they know. That's not to say you don't get good ones - you do - but they are rare. I worked on a friends rig a couple months ago. It would reboot at random. She runs windows so I tried booting a Linux CD. It did the same thing. Eliminates a bad OS, well, windoze is still bad but anyway. lol I checked for dust bunnies, reseated the memory stick, only one of them, and it did the same. So, off to the computer shop I go. I got a P/S and a new stick of ram, she only had 512M so it was dog slow. The computer place tested both parts on the spot for me. They actually plugged the P/S into a mobo and turned it on for a few minutes. Anyway, put in the ram which gave her 1.5Gb and in goes the new P/S. It has worked ever since. The two best tools to diagnose a computer problem is this. Smoke and the beep codes. Most important one is first. I also HATE random problems. If you are going to die, just don't cut on at all. At least we know where to start. ^_^ Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
[gentoo-user] [Offtopic] Lightweight server distro for an old motherboard
Hi all, Anyone got any suggestions for a lightweight server distro for an old motherboard? I've got one of the VIA mini-ITX boards, SP13000, and want to whack something light onto it. It will be working as a file/media server and will be headless, hence will be fiddled via ssh. Obviously there are the usual suspects, debian, centos, but does anyone have any recommendations viv a vis a stripped down distro, sort of like Lubuntu is to Ubuntu? Any thoughts greatly appreciated, Andrew
Re: [gentoo-user] [Offtopic] Lightweight server distro for an old motherboard
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 10:57 PM, Andrew Lowe a...@wht.com.au wrote: Hi all, Anyone got any suggestions for a lightweight server distro for an old motherboard? I've got one of the VIA mini-ITX boards, SP13000, and want to whack something light onto it. It will be working as a file/media server and will be headless, hence will be fiddled via ssh. Obviously there are the usual suspects, debian, centos, but does anyone have any recommendations viv a vis a stripped down distro, sort of like Lubuntu is to Ubuntu? Any thoughts greatly appreciated, Cripes, you're asking in gentoo-user. Of course someone's going to suggest Gentoo. Let it be me...and I'll explain: 1) You can put something like -Os or -O2 in your CFLAGS, whichever helps your performance case better. 2) You can target your CFLAGS to your exact processor, allowing generated machine code to be as efficient as possible on your CPU (which you'll need, if it's a low-power CPU!) 3) You don't have to compile on the mini-ITX board; you can cross-compile and use binpkgs to install. 4) You can use USE flags to strip out (virtually) any and every feature you don't use, reducing both your code size, load and execution time. If you want to do something lightweight, there's not much better you can do than with Gentoo. -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] [Offtopic] Lightweight server distro for an old motherboard
On 08/29/12 11:35, Michael Mol wrote: On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 10:57 PM, Andrew Lowe a...@wht.com.au wrote: Hi all, Anyone got any suggestions for a lightweight server distro for an old motherboard? I've got one of the VIA mini-ITX boards, SP13000, and want to whack something light onto it. It will be working as a file/media server and will be headless, hence will be fiddled via ssh. Obviously there are the usual suspects, debian, centos, but does anyone have any recommendations viv a vis a stripped down distro, sort of like Lubuntu is to Ubuntu? Any thoughts greatly appreciated, Cripes, you're asking in gentoo-user. Of course someone's going to suggest Gentoo. Let it be me...and I'll explain: 1) You can put something like -Os or -O2 in your CFLAGS, whichever helps your performance case better. 2) You can target your CFLAGS to your exact processor, allowing generated machine code to be as efficient as possible on your CPU (which you'll need, if it's a low-power CPU!) 3) You don't have to compile on the mini-ITX board; you can cross-compile and use binpkgs to install. 4) You can use USE flags to strip out (virtually) any and every feature you don't use, reducing both your code size, load and execution time. If you want to do something lightweight, there's not much better you can do than with Gentoo. It had Gentoo on it for ages, and has not been updated in ages. It takes years to do anything, with respect to compiling so I'm just looking for a simple point and click, binary download type of thingy to keep it going. I've been down the cross compile route also - once bitten twice shy and I don't care how many strides the dev's have made in recent years, I'm not trying again on principle. Andrew
Re: [gentoo-user] [Offtopic] Lightweight server distro for an old motherboard
On Wed, 29 Aug 2012 10:57:07 +0800 Andrew Lowe a...@wht.com.au wrote: Hi all, Anyone got any suggestions for a lightweight server distro for an old motherboard? I've got one of the VIA mini-ITX boards, SP13000, and want to whack something light onto it. It will be working as a file/media server and will be headless, hence will be fiddled via ssh. Obviously there are the usual suspects, debian, centos, but does anyone have any recommendations viv a vis a stripped down distro, sort of like Lubuntu is to Ubuntu? Any thoughts greatly appreciated, Andrew Well, if you are only going to need it as an NAS, why not try FreeNAS? OK, its kernel is BSD rather than Linux, but that shouldn't be a problem. Kerwin. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] [Offtopic] Lightweight server distro for an old motherboard
On 08/29/12 12:42, kwk...@hkbn.net wrote: On Wed, 29 Aug 2012 10:57:07 +0800 Andrew Lowe a...@wht.com.au wrote: Hi all, Anyone got any suggestions for a lightweight server distro for an old motherboard? I've got one of the VIA mini-ITX boards, SP13000, and want to whack something light onto it. It will be working as a file/media server and will be headless, hence will be fiddled via ssh. Obviously there are the usual suspects, debian, centos, but does anyone have any recommendations viv a vis a stripped down distro, sort of like Lubuntu is to Ubuntu? Any thoughts greatly appreciated, Andrew Well, if you are only going to need it as an NAS, why not try FreeNAS? OK, its kernel is BSD rather than Linux, but that shouldn't be a problem. Kerwin. Thanks, I'll look into that. Andrew
