[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Questions about building from source tarball
On 10/30/2012 01:56 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: Several years ago, back in the days of Mozilla 0.9x and Phoenix, I used to build Mozilla and/or Pheonix from the source tarball. Me too :) Every morning I'd pull from their source repo and build my own and then file bug reports (there were thousands of bugs to report) until I got tired of adding to the mile-high stack of other ignored bug reports and quit. Amazing how much I've forgotten since then :( https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Configuring_Build_Options About halfway down that webpage I spotted this line, and it rang a bell: ac_add_options --enable-optimize=-O2 (I think I recall adding CFLAGS to that line, but it's pretty fuzzy now. And you would probably want to set this to $HOME, as you mentioned: ac_add_options --prefix=/usr You can also add mk_add_options="-j4" and similar stuff to .mozconfig if you want. You can try entering 'about:buildconfig' in firefox or seamonkey to see what sort of stuff the mozilla devs use to build their own binaries.
Re: [gentoo-user] wireless dropping connections
On Tue, 2012-10-30 at 21:26 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:45:37 + > Neil Bothwick wrote: > > > On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 13:29:43 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > > > > I'm using wicd-1.7.2.4-r1 and a NetGear DGN2200M v2 wireless AP > > > (802.11n) > > > > > > Several times a day, this thing just drops wireless. I doubt it's my > > > laptop as other devices in the house also get affected. > > > > Have you tried switching to a different channel, just in case it is > > caused by interference? > > > > > > > Actually, I hadn't tried that. I use channel 8 and this is at my house. > I've only ever seen 2 other neighbour's APs show up and they both use > channel 1. > > But then common sense kicked in. All previous APs have been 802.11g, > this is the first 802.11g, and it sits next to a cordless phone. I > really should mount the AP up high and extend the cable. > > > Keep in mind there are only 3 non-overlapping channels in the 11 channel allocation scheme ... channel 8 is not one of them. If you have no neighbours thats fine, but even (perhaps especially because of the hidden node effect/problem) distant stations can effect your throughput. Still, that phone you mention must be suspect number 1 :) BillK
Re: [gentoo-user] NetworkManager problem after migrating to systemd
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 4:49 PM, João Matos wrote: > > > 2012/10/30 Canek Peláez Valdés >> >> On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 3:45 PM, João Matos wrote: >> > >> > >> > 2012/10/29 Canek Peláez Valdés >> >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:42 PM, João Matos wrote: >> >> > I found the solution a few hours ago here >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Systemd#PAM_support:_su.2C_sudo.2C_screen... >> >> > . Now everything is fine :) >> >> > >> >> > About the packages you mentioned, you've ran 'equery uses pambase >> >> > polkit >> >> > udisks upower', and none of them has the userflag systemd. >> >> >> >> # equery uses pambase polkit udisks upower >> >> [: I - package is installed with flag ] >> >> * Found these USE flags for sys-auth/pambase-20120417-r1: >> >> [snip] >> >> + + systemd : Use pam_systemd module to register user sessions >> >> in the systemd control group hierarchy. >> >> >> >> * Found these USE flags for sys-auth/polkit-0.107-r1: >> >> [snip] >> >> + + systemd : Use sys-apps/systemd instead of >> >> sys-auth/consolekit for session tracking >> >> >> >> * Found these USE flags for sys-fs/udisks-2.0.0: >> >> [snip] >> >> + + systemd : Support sys-apps/systemd's logind >> >> >> >> * Found these USE flags for sys-power/upower-0.9.18: >> >> [snip] >> >> + + systemd : Use sys-apps/systemd for hibernate and suspend >> >> >> >> Depends on the versions ;) >> > >> > >> > yep. I've used ~amd64 for about 5 years, but last year I decided to use >> > amd64. Maybe systemd suport is better in more recent packages. >> >> Indeed it is. I don't run ~amd64, BTW; I just keyword some things (the >> kernel, systemd+udev, and GNOME, basically). >> >> > Well, I've just find out a new little problem: PulseAudio. I've found >> > nothing about systemd+pulseaudio on google, what means that it is too >> > easy >> > to some one carry about writing about it, or nobody tried it yet. Does >> > anyone knows how to start it? Maybe writing a pulseaudio.service or >> > something like that. >> >> Both projects have the same author: Lennart Poettering. There is >> usually nothing to be done so they work together; in GNOME, PulseAudio >> is started automatically by the session manager, I suppose it should >> be something similar in KDE-land. Actually, since PA is a user (not a >> system) service, the init system you use doesn't matter. > > > The past week I've changed my whole system (get rid of genkernel, installed > systemd...). It's been difficult to find out how to solve some problem that > appear, because I have to guess what originated it. But I think I have a > progress with that one: revdep-rebuild found a problem with pulseaudio (and > some others), I still get an error while I compile it, but I'm working on > it. > > I was thinking It should be a service, since it was on my rc default level. > But it seems it is not encouraged anymore. Thank you anyway. System wide mode was introduced in 0.9.3 six years ago. Since then it hasn't been recommended for normal usage, just for some embedded systems and other situations where the notion of "user" doesn't make sense: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/User/WhatIsWrongWithSystemWide Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] NetworkManager problem after migrating to systemd
2012/10/30 Canek Peláez Valdés > On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 3:45 PM, João Matos wrote: > > > > > > 2012/10/29 Canek Peláez Valdés > >> > >> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:42 PM, João Matos wrote: > >> > I found the solution a few hours ago here > >> > > >> > > http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Systemd#PAM_support:_su.2C_sudo.2C_screen. > .. > >> > . Now everything is fine :) > >> > > >> > About the packages you mentioned, you've ran 'equery uses pambase > polkit > >> > udisks upower', and none of them has the userflag systemd. > >> > >> # equery uses pambase polkit udisks upower > >> [: I - package is installed with flag ] > >> * Found these USE flags for sys-auth/pambase-20120417-r1: > >> [snip] > >> + + systemd : Use pam_systemd module to register user sessions > >> in the systemd control group hierarchy. > >> > >> * Found these USE flags for sys-auth/polkit-0.107-r1: > >> [snip] > >> + + systemd : Use sys-apps/systemd instead of > >> sys-auth/consolekit for session tracking > >> > >> * Found these USE flags for sys-fs/udisks-2.0.0: > >> [snip] > >> + + systemd : Support sys-apps/systemd's logind > >> > >> * Found these USE flags for sys-power/upower-0.9.18: > >> [snip] > >> + + systemd : Use sys-apps/systemd for hibernate and suspend > >> > >> Depends on the versions ;) > > > > > > yep. I've used ~amd64 for about 5 years, but last year I decided to use > > amd64. Maybe systemd suport is better in more recent packages. > > Indeed it is. I don't run ~amd64, BTW; I just keyword some things (the > kernel, systemd+udev, and GNOME, basically). > > > Well, I've just find out a new little problem: PulseAudio. I've found > > nothing about systemd+pulseaudio on google, what means that it is too > easy > > to some one carry about writing about it, or nobody tried it yet. Does > > anyone knows how to start it? Maybe writing a pulseaudio.service or > > something like that. > > Both projects have the same author: Lennart Poettering. There is > usually nothing to be done so they work together; in GNOME, PulseAudio > is started automatically by the session manager, I suppose it should > be something similar in KDE-land. Actually, since PA is a user (not a > system) service, the init system you use doesn't matter. > The past week I've changed my whole system (get rid of genkernel, installed systemd...). It's been difficult to find out how to solve some problem that appear, because I have to guess what originated it. But I think I have a progress with that one: revdep-rebuild found a problem with pulseaudio (and some others), I still get an error while I compile it, but I'm working on it. I was thinking It should be a service, since it was on my rc default level. But it seems it is not encouraged anymore. Thank you anyway. -- João de Matos Linux User #461527
Re: [gentoo-user] NetworkManager problem after migrating to systemd
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 3:45 PM, João Matos wrote: > > > 2012/10/29 Canek Peláez Valdés >> >> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:42 PM, João Matos wrote: >> > I found the solution a few hours ago here >> > >> > http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Systemd#PAM_support:_su.2C_sudo.2C_screen... >> > . Now everything is fine :) >> > >> > About the packages you mentioned, you've ran 'equery uses pambase polkit >> > udisks upower', and none of them has the userflag systemd. >> >> # equery uses pambase polkit udisks upower >> [: I - package is installed with flag ] >> * Found these USE flags for sys-auth/pambase-20120417-r1: >> [snip] >> + + systemd : Use pam_systemd module to register user sessions >> in the systemd control group hierarchy. >> >> * Found these USE flags for sys-auth/polkit-0.107-r1: >> [snip] >> + + systemd : Use sys-apps/systemd instead of >> sys-auth/consolekit for session tracking >> >> * Found these USE flags for sys-fs/udisks-2.0.0: >> [snip] >> + + systemd : Support sys-apps/systemd's logind >> >> * Found these USE flags for sys-power/upower-0.9.18: >> [snip] >> + + systemd : Use sys-apps/systemd for hibernate and suspend >> >> Depends on the versions ;) > > > yep. I've used ~amd64 for about 5 years, but last year I decided to use > amd64. Maybe systemd suport is better in more recent packages. Indeed it is. I don't run ~amd64, BTW; I just keyword some things (the kernel, systemd+udev, and GNOME, basically). > Well, I've just find out a new little problem: PulseAudio. I've found > nothing about systemd+pulseaudio on google, what means that it is too easy > to some one carry about writing about it, or nobody tried it yet. Does > anyone knows how to start it? Maybe writing a pulseaudio.service or > something like that. Both projects have the same author: Lennart Poettering. There is usually nothing to be done so they work together; in GNOME, PulseAudio is started automatically by the session manager, I suppose it should be something similar in KDE-land. Actually, since PA is a user (not a system) service, the init system you use doesn't matter. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] wireless dropping connections
On 10/30/2012 9:26 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: Actually, I hadn't tried that. I use channel 8 and this is at my house. I've only ever seen 2 other neighbour's APs show up and they both use channel 1. But then common sense kicked in. All previous APs have been 802.11g, this is the first 802.11g, and it sits next to a cordless phone. I really should mount the AP up high and extend the cable. most cordless phones that works on 2.4 ghz are not suppose to affect your wireless connection. many of them wont even work in 2.4 ghz but at 5+ ghz. Regards -- Eliezer Croitoru https://www1.ngtech.co.il IT consulting for Nonprofit organizations eliezer ngtech.co.il
Re: [gentoo-user] NetworkManager problem after migrating to systemd
2012/10/29 Canek Peláez Valdés > On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:42 PM, João Matos wrote: > > I found the solution a few hours ago here > > > http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Systemd#PAM_support:_su.2C_sudo.2C_screen. > .. > > . Now everything is fine :) > > > > About the packages you mentioned, you've ran 'equery uses pambase polkit > > udisks upower', and none of them has the userflag systemd. > > # equery uses pambase polkit udisks upower > [: I - package is installed with flag ] > * Found these USE flags for sys-auth/pambase-20120417-r1: > [snip] > + + systemd : Use pam_systemd module to register user sessions > in the systemd control group hierarchy. > > * Found these USE flags for sys-auth/polkit-0.107-r1: > [snip] > + + systemd : Use sys-apps/systemd instead of > sys-auth/consolekit for session tracking > > * Found these USE flags for sys-fs/udisks-2.0.0: > [snip] > + + systemd : Support sys-apps/systemd's logind > > * Found these USE flags for sys-power/upower-0.9.18: > [snip] > + + systemd : Use sys-apps/systemd for hibernate and suspend > > Depends on the versions ;) > yep. I've used ~amd64 for about 5 years, but last year I decided to use amd64. Maybe systemd suport is better in more recent packages. Well, I've just find out a new little problem: PulseAudio. I've found nothing about systemd+pulseaudio on google, what means that it is too easy to some one carry about writing about it, or nobody tried it yet. Does anyone knows how to start it? Maybe writing a pulseaudio.service or something like that. > > > Anyway, systemd > > is globally set on my system, and it is good to know I can disable > > consolekit. I'll try it right now. > > The problem with ck is that it will make some things fail subtlety. I > did uninstall it, and everything has been working great (including the > awesome app-admin/system-config-printer-gnome). > > Regards. > -- > Canek Peláez Valdés > Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación > Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México > > -- João de Matos Linux User #461527 Graduando em Engenharia de Computação 2005.1 UEFS - Universidade Estadual de Feira de Santana
Re: [gentoo-user] wireless dropping connections
On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 19:47:34 +0800 Bill Kenworthy wrote: > outside interference? (usual is a microwave oven) - is there a device > closer to the AP that stays in better lock because the signal is > strong enough to override the interference? There is a long range Siemens cordless phone that hides behind the extra monitor :-) It's hidden because a. the power cable is short b. I hate phones and usually pretend to myself they don't exist > > BillK > > On Tue, 2012-10-30 at 13:29 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > I'm using wicd-1.7.2.4-r1 and a NetGear DGN2200M v2 wireless AP > > (802.11n) > > > Several times a day, this thing just drops wireless. I doubt it's my > > laptop as other devices in the house also get affected. When this > > happens I usually manually reconnect using wicd, it can do this > > automatically but there's a long timeout first before it realizes > > the connection was dropped. > > > > The router logs have very little in them, all I see is my laptop > > asking for and getting a new IP. Laptop logs show this: > > > > Oct 30 13:10:45 khamul dhcpcd[24141]: wlan0: carrier lost > > Oct 30 13:10:45 khamul kernel: [229075.169304] cfg80211: Calling > > CRDA to update world regulatory domain Oct 30 13:10:45 khamul > > kernel: [229075.214909] cfg80211: World regulatory domain updated: > > Oct 30 13:10:45 khamul kernel: [229075.214911] cfg80211: > > (start_freq - end_freq @ bandwidth), (max_antenna_gain, max_eirp) > > Oct 30 13:10:45 khamul kernel: [229075.214913] cfg80211: (2402000 > > KHz > > - 2472000 KHz @ 4 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm) > > > > followed by the usual verbose junk of reconnection logs. > > > > I wouldn't even know where to start debugging this. The only unusual > > part of the setup is I don't use the router's dhcp server, that is > > done with dhcp-4.2.4_p2 on a separate wired Gentoo server. > > > > Anyone have a logical series of debug steps I can apply? > > > > > -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] wireless dropping connections
On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:45:37 + Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 13:29:43 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > > I'm using wicd-1.7.2.4-r1 and a NetGear DGN2200M v2 wireless AP > > (802.11n) > > > > Several times a day, this thing just drops wireless. I doubt it's my > > laptop as other devices in the house also get affected. > > Have you tried switching to a different channel, just in case it is > caused by interference? > > Actually, I hadn't tried that. I use channel 8 and this is at my house. I've only ever seen 2 other neighbour's APs show up and they both use channel 1. But then common sense kicked in. All previous APs have been 802.11g, this is the first 802.11g, and it sits next to a cordless phone. I really should mount the AP up high and extend the cable. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] wireless dropping connections
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 01:29:43PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > I'm using wicd-1.7.2.4-r1 and a NetGear DGN2200M v2 wireless AP > (802.11n) > > Several times a day, this thing just drops wireless. I doubt it's my > laptop as other devices in the house also get affected. When this > happens I usually manually reconnect using wicd, it can do this > automatically but there's a long timeout first before it realizes the > connection was dropped. ack on the interference... Last year we experienced this identical problem, and changed the router to channel 11. It was the cordless phone on the same channel for us. -- Happy Penguin Computers >') 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ supp...@happypenguincomputers.com 662-269-2706 662-205-6424 http://happypenguincomputers.com/ Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Questions about building from source tarball
On 10/30/2012 04:56 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: > Several years ago, back in the days of Mozilla 0.9x and Phoenix, I > used to build Mozilla and/or Pheonix from the source tarball. I've been > using Gentoo for years, and I've forgotten a lot about building manually > from source. I asked this question on mozillazine.org, but no answers > yet. Hopefully, I can get some help here. I'm looking at > https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Simple_SeaMonkey_build and I > have a few questions... > > 1) What options do I need to set to make Seamonkey (or Firefox) build > in, and run from, a local dir, e.g. "${HOME}/seamonkey"? Something to > do with "prefix" and "exec-prefix"? I'd prefer to avoid jumping to root > for the install. And throwing in files in /usr that portage doesn't > know about, is begging for trouble. > Most of the configuration directives reference the PREFIX by default. This is from GNU tar, but FF is probably the same: Installation directories: --prefix=PREFIX ... [/usr/local] --exec-prefix=EPREFIX ... [PREFIX] Fine tuning of the installation directories: --bindir=DIR... [EPREFIX/bin] --sbindir=DIR ... [EPREFIX/sbin] ... So by default, everything eventually references PREFIX, which defaults to /usr/local. You can change PREFIX to be e.g. ~/local/ and the rest should wind up in subdirectories of that. Just double check to make sure all of the FF defaults refer back to PREFIX. > 2) I read the instructions on how to pass the "O2" flag to the make and > compile process. What about the rest of the CFLAGS line? My CFLAGS are > I use this in my ~/.bashrc: # Grab CFLAGS, etc. from make.conf. . /etc/portage/make.conf # LDFLAGS comes from.. somewhere else. LDFLAGS="-Wl,-O1 -Wl,--as-needed" # Portage does this for us. MAKE="make ${MAKEOPTS}" If anyone knows of a slicker way to do LDFLAGS, I'd like to know.
Re: [gentoo-user] From Unstable to Stable: Screen share in Google Hangout and Skype no longer works
On 26 October 2012 11:13, Paul Hartman wrote: > On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Hilco Wijbenga > wrote: >> Does anyone know how to get screen share to work again? Would this >> depend on unstable OpenRC? Or a later udev? Or a later kernel? > > Try to upgrade to the latest unstable version of xrandr. Thank you, I did as you suggested. I upgraded x11-libs/libXrandr to 1.4.0; x11-apps/xrandr was already at 1.3.5. Unfortunately it made no difference. Can you think of anything else that might affect screen sharing?
Re: [gentoo-user] wireless dropping connections
outside interference? (usual is a microwave oven) - is there a device closer to the AP that stays in better lock because the signal is strong enough to override the interference? BillK On Tue, 2012-10-30 at 13:29 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > I'm using wicd-1.7.2.4-r1 and a NetGear DGN2200M v2 wireless AP > (802.11n) > Several times a day, this thing just drops wireless. I doubt it's my > laptop as other devices in the house also get affected. When this > happens I usually manually reconnect using wicd, it can do this > automatically but there's a long timeout first before it realizes the > connection was dropped. > > The router logs have very little in them, all I see is my laptop asking > for and getting a new IP. Laptop logs show this: > > Oct 30 13:10:45 khamul dhcpcd[24141]: wlan0: carrier lost > Oct 30 13:10:45 khamul kernel: [229075.169304] cfg80211: Calling CRDA > to update world regulatory domain Oct 30 13:10:45 khamul kernel: > [229075.214909] cfg80211: World regulatory domain updated: Oct 30 > 13:10:45 khamul kernel: [229075.214911] cfg80211: (start_freq - > end_freq @ bandwidth), (max_antenna_gain, max_eirp) Oct 30 13:10:45 > khamul kernel: [229075.214913] cfg80211: (2402000 KHz > - 2472000 KHz @ 4 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm) > > followed by the usual verbose junk of reconnection logs. > > I wouldn't even know where to start debugging this. The only unusual > part of the setup is I don't use the router's dhcp server, that is done > with dhcp-4.2.4_p2 on a separate wired Gentoo server. > > Anyone have a logical series of debug steps I can apply? >
Re: [gentoo-user] wireless dropping connections
On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 13:29:43 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > I'm using wicd-1.7.2.4-r1 and a NetGear DGN2200M v2 wireless AP > (802.11n) > > Several times a day, this thing just drops wireless. I doubt it's my > laptop as other devices in the house also get affected. Have you tried switching to a different channel, just in case it is caused by interference? -- Neil Bothwick This universe is sold by mass, not by volume. Some expansion may have occurred during shipment signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] wireless dropping connections
I'm using wicd-1.7.2.4-r1 and a NetGear DGN2200M v2 wireless AP (802.11n) Several times a day, this thing just drops wireless. I doubt it's my laptop as other devices in the house also get affected. When this happens I usually manually reconnect using wicd, it can do this automatically but there's a long timeout first before it realizes the connection was dropped. The router logs have very little in them, all I see is my laptop asking for and getting a new IP. Laptop logs show this: Oct 30 13:10:45 khamul dhcpcd[24141]: wlan0: carrier lost Oct 30 13:10:45 khamul kernel: [229075.169304] cfg80211: Calling CRDA to update world regulatory domain Oct 30 13:10:45 khamul kernel: [229075.214909] cfg80211: World regulatory domain updated: Oct 30 13:10:45 khamul kernel: [229075.214911] cfg80211: (start_freq - end_freq @ bandwidth), (max_antenna_gain, max_eirp) Oct 30 13:10:45 khamul kernel: [229075.214913] cfg80211: (2402000 KHz - 2472000 KHz @ 4 KHz), (300 mBi, 2000 mBm) followed by the usual verbose junk of reconnection logs. I wouldn't even know where to start debugging this. The only unusual part of the setup is I don't use the router's dhcp server, that is done with dhcp-4.2.4_p2 on a separate wired Gentoo server. Anyone have a logical series of debug steps I can apply? -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: mount and exfat
On Tue, 2012-10-30 at 06:40 +0100, Francesco Talamona wrote: > On Tuesday 30 October 2012, Bill Kenworthy wrote: > > Any idea how I can get the mount command to recognise exfat? It > > works as root but not via fstab for users. > > > > bunyip ~ # mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/tmp > > mount: unknown filesystem type 'exfat' > > bunyip ~ # mount.exfat /dev/sdc1 /mnt/tmp > > FUSE exfat 0.9.8 > > bunyip ~ # > > > > > > BillK > > http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=85873 > > Never used exfat myself, but I think you should include "exfat-fuse" in > fstab > > HTH > Francesco > Ah, I was using exfat! Seems like all the newer high capacity usb thumb drives are exfat so it will become more common I am sure. BillK
[gentoo-user] [OT] Questions about building from source tarball
Several years ago, back in the days of Mozilla 0.9x and Phoenix, I used to build Mozilla and/or Pheonix from the source tarball. I've been using Gentoo for years, and I've forgotten a lot about building manually from source. I asked this question on mozillazine.org, but no answers yet. Hopefully, I can get some help here. I'm looking at https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Simple_SeaMonkey_build and I have a few questions... 1) What options do I need to set to make Seamonkey (or Firefox) build in, and run from, a local dir, e.g. "${HOME}/seamonkey"? Something to do with "prefix" and "exec-prefix"? I'd prefer to avoid jumping to root for the install. And throwing in files in /usr that portage doesn't know about, is begging for trouble. 2) I read the instructions on how to pass the "O2" flag to the make and compile process. What about the rest of the CFLAGS line? My CFLAGS are CFLAGS="-O2 -march=native -mfpmath=sse -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -fno-unwind-tables -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables" For those who are wondering, I want to tweak it well beyond what the Gentoo ebuild allows. And I'll be doing some experimentation, so I couldn't specify what I want right now. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications