[gentoo-user] Re: k3b and now NTFS access rights

2006-01-04 Thread Mick
Neil Bothwick wrote:

> 
> user or users. The difference is that with user, only the user that
> mounted a filesystem, or root, can umount it. With users, user A can
> mount a filesystem and user B can umount it.

What a right 'carry on' this access issue is.  I eventually got on the
machine in question.  Two NTFS partitions.  When I add
noauto,ro,user,uid=1001 the user in question can mount and read the various
files.  The respective mount point under /mnt/Suzy_WinXP is shown as
suzy:root.

As soon as I remove the uid number from fstab the user can no longer access
the files!  Konqueror comes up with this error: "Unable to enter
file:///mnt/Suzy_WinXP.  You do not have access rights to this location." 
The /mnt/Suzy_WinXP is now shown as root:root and Konqueror shows "Locked
Folder".  The funny thing is that the NTFS partition *is* mounted as shown
in mount:
===
/dev/sda14 on /mnt/Suzy_WinXP type ntfs (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
===

So, if I want to mount NTFS partitions by different users what am I supposed
to do?  Pile up the uid Nos?  There must be a better way.  Unlike VFAT
partitions which do not recognise/require ownership NTFS does not seem to
want to play.  Are your experiences different?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: k3b and now NTFS access rights

2006-01-04 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 22:01:51 +, Mick wrote:

> So, if I want to mount NTFS partitions by different users what am I
> supposed to do?  Pile up the uid Nos?  There must be a better way. 

There is, set a suitable umask value. By default, NTFS partitions are
mounted readable only by the user that mounted them. Setting umask=222
makes them readable by everyone, but still writable by no-one (although
NTFS is usually mounted ro so this makes little difference). See the NTFS
section of man mount.


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RE: [gentoo-user] Re: k3b and now NTFS access rights

2006-01-05 Thread Michael Kintzios


> -Original Message-
> From: Peter Ruskin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 04 January 2006 22:49
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: k3b and now NTFS access rights
> 
> 
> 
> I don't see your problem.  This is how my fstab shows ntfs:
> 
> /dev/hdf9 /mnt/win/o ntfs rw,umask=0,posix=1,users,nls=utf8 0 0

I'm lost!  What does posix=1 mean?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: k3b and now NTFS access rights

2006-01-05 Thread Stroller


On 5 Jan 2006, at 12:43, Michael Kintzios wrote:


I don't see your problem.  This is how my fstab shows ntfs:

/dev/hdf9 /mnt/win/o ntfs rw,umask=0,posix=1,users,nls=utf8 0 0


I'm lost!  What does posix=1 mean?


From `man mount`:

   Mount options for ntfs
   ...posix=[0|1]
  If  enabled  (posix=1),  the  file  system  
distinguishes between
  upper and lower case. The 8.3 alias names are  
presented as  hard

  links instead of being suppressed.

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RE: [gentoo-user] Re: k3b and now NTFS access rights

2006-01-05 Thread Michael Kintzios


> -Original Message-
> From: Stroller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 05 January 2006 13:32
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: k3b and now NTFS access rights
> 
> 
> 
> On 5 Jan 2006, at 12:43, Michael Kintzios wrote:
> >>
> >> I don't see your problem.  This is how my fstab shows ntfs:
> >>
> >> /dev/hdf9 /mnt/win/o ntfs rw,umask=0,posix=1,users,nls=utf8 0 0
> >
> > I'm lost!  What does posix=1 mean?
> 
>  From `man mount`:
> 
> Mount options for ntfs
> ...posix=[0|1]
>If  enabled  (posix=1),  the  file  system  
> distinguishes between
>upper and lower case. The 8.3 alias names are  
> presented as  hard
>links instead of being suppressed.

Thanks!  I've got a looot of reading to do . . . (although it's more
interesting to talk it over?)

So if a suitable umask sorts out the mounting of ntfs partitions, what's
the recommended umask and fstab entries for a dvdrw,cdrw and
dvdrom,cdrom?

I note that Peter R has rw on this ntfs - is this needed for captive to
work or what's the trick here?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: k3b and now NTFS access rights

2006-01-05 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:10:40 -, Michael Kintzios wrote:

> So if a suitable umask sorts out the mounting of ntfs partitions, what's
> the recommended umask and fstab entries for a dvdrw,cdrw and
> dvdrom,cdrom?

You really need to read the mount man page. umask is only for certain
filesystems, it is not used with ISO9660.


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RE: [gentoo-user] Re: k3b and now NTFS access rights

2006-01-06 Thread Michael Kintzios

> -Original Message-
> From: Neil Bothwick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 05 January 2006 00:55
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: k3b and now NTFS access rights
> 
> There is, set a suitable umask value. By default, NTFS partitions are
> mounted readable only by the user that mounted them. Setting umask=222
> makes them readable by everyone, but still writable by no-one 
> (although
> NTFS is usually mounted ro so this makes little difference). 
> See the NTFS
> section of man mount.

Thanks! I've read the manual and then tried different umask options.
Umask=222 seems the most reasonable for what I need.  I noticed that the
different subdirectories and files automatically inherit the allocated
NTFS partition access rights.  Is this how umask in fstab works
(recursively)?

On a hypothetical case where you want to give different access rights to
all/some subdorectories & files, do you have to set these individually
the first time after mounting the partition, use ACL's, or what else?

Sorry if my questions appear silly - I've always been confused by this
topic and its different permutations.
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