Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Manual pages (man pages) have ESC all through them when having used sudo.
On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 13:06:43 +0800, ubiquitous1980 wrote: Some ENV variables are unset by sudo. You can alter that behaviour in /etc/sudoers. I have Defaults:%wheel !env_reset and don't see this. But anyway, sudo su makes zero sense :P sudo su makes sense if you want to use the root account while having the root account locked. The root account is hardly locked if you can log into it with sudo su (or sudo screen) but sudo -s or sudo -i make more sense in this situation. -- Neil Bothwick Politicians are like nappies Both should be changed regularly, and for the same reason signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Manual pages (man pages) have ESC all through them when having used sudo.
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 13:06:43 +0800, ubiquitous1980 wrote: Some ENV variables are unset by sudo. You can alter that behaviour in /etc/sudoers. I have Defaults:%wheel !env_reset and don't see this. But anyway, sudo su makes zero sense :P sudo su makes sense if you want to use the root account while having the root account locked. The root account is hardly locked if you can log into it with sudo su (or sudo screen) but sudo -s or sudo -i make more sense in this situation. localhost ubiquitous1980 # passwd -l root Password changed. localhost ubiquitous1980 # exit exit ubiquitous1...@localhost ~ $ su Password: su: Authentication failure ubiquitous1...@localhost ~ $ sudo su Password: Your account has expired; please contact your system administrator su: User account has expired (Ignored) localhost ubiquitous1980 #
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Manual pages (man pages) have ESC all through them when having used sudo.
On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 18:48:56 +0800, ubiquitous1980 wrote: The root account is hardly locked if you can log into it with sudo su (or sudo screen) but sudo -s or sudo -i make more sense in this situation. localhost ubiquitous1980 # passwd -l root Password changed. localhost ubiquitous1980 # exit exit ubiquitous1...@localhost ~ $ su Password: su: Authentication failure ubiquitous1...@localhost ~ $ sudo su Password: Your account has expired; please contact your system administrator su: User account has expired (Ignored) localhost ubiquitous1980 # What's your point? -- Neil Bothwick Windoze95 Quote: Why is the Pentium 166 so fast? - Its for booting faster, if Windows crashed again. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Manual pages (man pages) have ESC all through them when having used sudo.
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 18:48:56 +0800, ubiquitous1980 wrote: The root account is hardly locked if you can log into it with sudo su (or sudo screen) but sudo -s or sudo -i make more sense in this situation. localhost ubiquitous1980 # passwd -l root Password changed. localhost ubiquitous1980 # exit exit ubiquitous1...@localhost ~ $ su Password: su: Authentication failure ubiquitous1...@localhost ~ $ sudo su Password: Your account has expired; please contact your system administrator su: User account has expired (Ignored) localhost ubiquitous1980 # What's your point? That you stated that the root account was hardly locked if I can sudo su into it. If you take me as truthful, then you can see that I have done exactly that: locked the account and sudo su'ed into it. I think you already knew that was possible, so I am countering the semantics of the issue.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Manual pages (man pages) have ESC all through them when having used sudo.
On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 22:03:36 +0800, ubiquitous1980 wrote: That you stated that the root account was hardly locked if I can sudo su into it. If you take me as truthful, then you can see that I have done exactly that: locked the account and sudo su'ed into it. I think you already knew that was possible, so I am countering the semantics of the issue. My point was that if you can get into it, it is not truly locked. You have prevented one means of accessing it, but not totally locked it. Anyway, sudo -i/s is a cleaner way of opening a root session IMO. -- Neil Bothwick Nothing is illegal if one hundred businessmen decide to do it. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: Manual pages (man pages) have ESC all through them when having used sudo.
On 02/27/2010 08:32 PM, Dan Cowsill wrote: On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 10:57 PM, ubiquitous1980nixuser1...@gmail.com wrote: If I have logged in through sudo such as $ sudo su, when I then use man pages, they are covered in ESC. This does not occur when using normal user accounts or the root account through su. Wondering what is going on. Thanks. Kind of curious about this myself. It has just been a minor annoyance to me for the last couple of years, but it seems to show up only when logged onto root. There are several environment variables that affect the output of man, e.g. PAGER, LESS, LESSCOLOR, LESSOPEN, LESSIGNORE, the contents of ~/.lessfilter and probably other things I can't remember. Any of those might be different for root.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Manual pages (man pages) have ESC all through them when having used sudo.
On Sunday 28 February 2010 07:06:43 ubiquitous1980 wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/28/2010 05:57 AM, ubiquitous1980 wrote: If I have logged in through sudo such as $ sudo su, when I then use man pages, they are covered in ESC. This does not occur when using normal user accounts or the root account through su. Wondering what is going on. Thanks. Some ENV variables are unset by sudo. But anyway, sudo su makes zero sense :P sudo su makes sense if you want to use the root account while having the root account locked. Some, like Ubuntu, do it for security reasons. Not sure if they are valid, but I thought I would put this little problem out there for someone to make comment on. I use sudo su a lot,a nd make it available to other root users on my servers. It all makes perfect sense it the context of: 1. The password for the root account is secret. Changing it is a real ball- ache, something not undertaken lightly. 2. The password is know to very very few persons, and ideally would be kept in a locked safe needing signed CTO approval to open it. 3. I have a provisioning system that deploys user, their keys and password hashes. 4. The person running sudo su is authorized to do so, so he gets root. There's an audit trail too as not just anyone can get to my remote sysloggers. 5. When someone leaves, in the old days we had to manually change 100+ root passwords, and of course always forget at least one. Now I run one command on my user provisioning system and within 30 minutes that person's access is gone, and I can guarantee a) it's gone everywhere b) there are no back doors 6. Not all OSes out there support sudo -i So in the context of multi-admin servers, sudo su (or sudo -i if you will) make perfect sense, and su far less so. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
[gentoo-user] Re: Manual pages (man pages) have ESC all through them when having used sudo.
On 02/28/2010 05:57 AM, ubiquitous1980 wrote: If I have logged in through sudo such as $ sudo su, when I then use man pages, they are covered in ESC. This does not occur when using normal user accounts or the root account through su. Wondering what is going on. Thanks. Some ENV variables are unset by sudo. But anyway, sudo su makes zero sense :P
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Manual pages (man pages) have ESC all through them when having used sudo.
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/28/2010 05:57 AM, ubiquitous1980 wrote: If I have logged in through sudo such as $ sudo su, when I then use man pages, they are covered in ESC. This does not occur when using normal user accounts or the root account through su. Wondering what is going on. Thanks. Some ENV variables are unset by sudo. But anyway, sudo su makes zero sense :P sudo su makes sense if you want to use the root account while having the root account locked. Some, like Ubuntu, do it for security reasons. Not sure if they are valid, but I thought I would put this little problem out there for someone to make comment on.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Manual pages (man pages) have ESC all through them when having used sudo.
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/28/2010 05:57 AM, ubiquitous1980 wrote: If I have logged in through sudo such as $ sudo su, when I then use man pages, they are covered in ESC. This does not occur when using normal user accounts or the root account through su. Wondering what is going on. Thanks. Some ENV variables are unset by sudo. But anyway, sudo su makes zero sense :P sudo su makes sense if you want to use the root account while having the root account locked. Some, like Ubuntu, do it for security reasons. Not sure if they are valid, but I thought I would put this little problem out there for someone to make comment on. I don't use sudo or su but I have seen this a time or two. I have no clue why tho. It was a while ago but I was in a console at the time. I usually use a Konsole within KDE. I don't recall ever seeing this problem there. I was curious but never thought is would be more than just me that saw this. Dale :-) :-)
