Re: [gentoo-user] alternate mta's
* Tanstaafl [130504 16:18]: > On 2013-05-04 3:27 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > On 04/05/2013 18:52, Tanstaafl wrote: > >> Ok, I have msmpt installed and working just fine. > >> > >> Now, all of a sudden, emerge -pvuDN world wants to install mailx. > >> > >> equery depends mailx says rkhunter is pulling it in via virtual/mailx > >> > >> Why isn't this dependency satisfied by the presence of msmtp? > >> > >> And more importantly, how can I fix it without installing mailx? > > > Simplest answer: > > > > It was never done because nobody did it. > > > > Whoever maintains virtual/mailx does so believing they have a decent set > > of implementations available for you to use. There was never any > > guarantee there that all possible satisfiers for virtual/mailx would be > > listed. > > > > File a feature request at b.g.o. if you feel msmtp satsifies virtual/mailx. > > Actually, I'm not really concerned about virtual/mails... > > My question is why does it want to install the full program > 'net-mail/mailx'? That would mean I had two mta's on my system, which > should be a conflict, right? I know if I try to install postfix, it > complains about msmtp as a blocker. mailx is an MUA, not an MTA. You can have as many MUAs as you like.
Re: [gentoo-user] alternate mta's
On 2013-05-05 5:23 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: All you seem to be dealing with is what looks like a incomplete list of providers for virtual/mailx. Portage won't consider msmtp as satisfying that need as the ebuild for virtual/mailx does not list msmtp. Your options: - install mail-client/mailx, or - have msmtp added to virtual/mailx as a feature request. And makes even more sense now. Thanks for your patience...
SOLVED - Re: [gentoo-user] alternate mta's
On 2013-05-04 7:46 PM, Thanasis wrote: on 05/05/2013 01:15 AM Tanstaafl wrote the following: Oh... ok, well, now I'm just wondering why it decided to install it all of a sudden... mail-client/mailx : The /bin/mail program, which is used to send mail via shell scripts mail-mta/ssmtp: Extremely simple MTA to get mail off the system to a Mailhub They are totally different and not alternate of each other. Well, I'm using msmtp not ssmtp, but yeah, I was having tunnel vision. On 2013-05-05 5:45 AM, Marc Joliet wrote: > /usr/portage/app-forensics/rkhunter/ChangeLog shows two recent > dependency fixes, which each reference a bug report. In this case > it's bug #398123, according to which rkhunter uses the "mail" command > in its daily cron job. Obviously, without a /bin/mail provider > installed (what virtual/mailx is for), the mails will never get sent. > Instead, you (hopefully) get error messages from cron. Ah, ok, makes sense now. I had installed rkhunter a week or two ago but had commented the cron job when working on something else, but never re-enabled it, and hadn't noticed I wasn't getting those emails (to remind me to go back and re-enable it). I was getting other system emails (ie, portage), so didn't realize I needed something else (a client) for these kinds of emails. Anyway, sorry for the noise...
Re: [gentoo-user] alternate mta's
Am Sat, 04 May 2013 18:15:20 -0400
schrieb Tanstaafl :
> On 2013-05-04 6:01 PM, Marc Joliet wrote:
> > I have both postfix and mailx. You'll notice that the category of mailx is
> > mail-client and not mail-mta (or "net-mail", as you wrote).
> > mail-client/mailx is
> > simply a command line email client used for automating the sending and
> > receiving of emails; on my system it is as far as I can tell only used by
> > smartmontools.
> >
> > Unless msmtp also provides {,/usr}/bin/mail there isn't really an issue
> > here.
>
> Oh... ok, well, now I'm just wondering why it decided to install it all
> of a sudden...
>
>
That's what the ChangeLog files are
for: /usr/portage/app-forensics/rkhunter/ChangeLog shows two recent dependency
fixes, which each reference a bug report. In this case it's bug #398123,
according to which rkhunter uses the "mail" command in its daily cron job.
Obviously, without a /bin/mail provider installed (what virtual/mailx is for),
the mails will never get sent. Instead, you (hopefully) get error messages from
cron.
> Thanks
HTH
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Re: [gentoo-user] alternate mta's
On 04/05/2013 22:17, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 2013-05-04 3:27 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> On 04/05/2013 18:52, Tanstaafl wrote: >>> Ok, I have msmpt installed and working just fine. >>> >>> Now, all of a sudden, emerge -pvuDN world wants to install mailx. >>> >>> equery depends mailx says rkhunter is pulling it in via virtual/mailx >>> >>> Why isn't this dependency satisfied by the presence of msmtp? >>> >>> And more importantly, how can I fix it without installing mailx? > >> Simplest answer: >> >> It was never done because nobody did it. >> >> Whoever maintains virtual/mailx does so believing they have a decent set >> of implementations available for you to use. There was never any >> guarantee there that all possible satisfiers for virtual/mailx would be >> listed. >> >> File a feature request at b.g.o. if you feel msmtp satsifies >> virtual/mailx. > > Actually, I'm not really concerned about virtual/mails... You should be, it's at the core of the problem surely? Your original mail said that rkhunter was pulling in mailx via virtual/mailx. Which mailx do you mean by that? virtual/mailx or mail-client/mailx? I assumed the latter as that's the only reading that makes sense. > > My question is why does it want to install the full program > 'net-mail/mailx'? That would mean I had two mta's on my system, which > should be a conflict, right? I know if I try to install postfix, it > complains about msmtp as a blocker. That's as an MTA. This thread is about mail clients. Not related All you seem to be dealing with is what looks like a incomplete list of providers for virtual/mailx. Portage won't consider msmtp as satisfying that need as the ebuild for virtual/mailx does not list msmtp. Your options: - install mail-client/mailx, or - have msmtp added to virtual/mailx as a feature request. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] alternate mta's
on 05/05/2013 01:15 AM Tanstaafl wrote the following:
> On 2013-05-04 6:01 PM, Marc Joliet wrote:
>> I have both postfix and mailx. You'll notice that the category of
>> mailx is
>> mail-client and not mail-mta (or "net-mail", as you wrote).
>> mail-client/mailx is
>> simply a command line email client used for automating the sending and
>> receiving of emails; on my system it is as far as I can tell only used by
>> smartmontools.
>>
>> Unless msmtp also provides {,/usr}/bin/mail there isn't really an
>> issue here.
>
> Oh... ok, well, now I'm just wondering why it decided to install it all
> of a sudden...
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
mail-client/mailx : The /bin/mail program, which is used to send mail
via shell scripts
mail-mta/ssmtp: Extremely simple MTA to get mail off the system to a Mailhub
They are totally different and not alternate of each other.
Re: [gentoo-user] alternate mta's
On 2013-05-04 6:01 PM, Marc Joliet wrote:
I have both postfix and mailx. You'll notice that the category of mailx is
mail-client and not mail-mta (or "net-mail", as you wrote). mail-client/mailx is
simply a command line email client used for automating the sending and
receiving of emails; on my system it is as far as I can tell only used by
smartmontools.
Unless msmtp also provides {,/usr}/bin/mail there isn't really an issue here.
Oh... ok, well, now I'm just wondering why it decided to install it all
of a sudden...
Thanks
Re: [gentoo-user] alternate mta's
Am Sat, 04 May 2013 16:17:01 -0400
schrieb Tanstaafl :
> On 2013-05-04 3:27 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > On 04/05/2013 18:52, Tanstaafl wrote:
> >> Ok, I have msmpt installed and working just fine.
> >>
> >> Now, all of a sudden, emerge -pvuDN world wants to install mailx.
> >>
> >> equery depends mailx says rkhunter is pulling it in via virtual/mailx
> >>
> >> Why isn't this dependency satisfied by the presence of msmtp?
> >>
> >> And more importantly, how can I fix it without installing mailx?
>
> > Simplest answer:
> >
> > It was never done because nobody did it.
> >
> > Whoever maintains virtual/mailx does so believing they have a decent set
> > of implementations available for you to use. There was never any
> > guarantee there that all possible satisfiers for virtual/mailx would be
> > listed.
> >
> > File a feature request at b.g.o. if you feel msmtp satsifies virtual/mailx.
>
> Actually, I'm not really concerned about virtual/mails...
>
> My question is why does it want to install the full program
> 'net-mail/mailx'? That would mean I had two mta's on my system, which
> should be a conflict, right? I know if I try to install postfix, it
> complains about msmtp as a blocker.
I have both postfix and mailx. You'll notice that the category of mailx is
mail-client and not mail-mta (or "net-mail", as you wrote). mail-client/mailx is
simply a command line email client used for automating the sending and
receiving of emails; on my system it is as far as I can tell only used by
smartmontools.
Unless msmtp also provides {,/usr}/bin/mail there isn't really an issue here.
HTH
--
Marc Joliet
--
"People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we
don't" - Bjarne Stroustrup
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Re: [gentoo-user] alternate mta's
On 2013-05-04 3:27 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 04/05/2013 18:52, Tanstaafl wrote: Ok, I have msmpt installed and working just fine. Now, all of a sudden, emerge -pvuDN world wants to install mailx. equery depends mailx says rkhunter is pulling it in via virtual/mailx Why isn't this dependency satisfied by the presence of msmtp? And more importantly, how can I fix it without installing mailx? Simplest answer: It was never done because nobody did it. Whoever maintains virtual/mailx does so believing they have a decent set of implementations available for you to use. There was never any guarantee there that all possible satisfiers for virtual/mailx would be listed. File a feature request at b.g.o. if you feel msmtp satsifies virtual/mailx. Actually, I'm not really concerned about virtual/mails... My question is why does it want to install the full program 'net-mail/mailx'? That would mean I had two mta's on my system, which should be a conflict, right? I know if I try to install postfix, it complains about msmtp as a blocker.
Re: [gentoo-user] alternate mta's
On 04/05/2013 18:52, Tanstaafl wrote: > Ok, I have msmpt installed and working just fine. > > Now, all of a sudden, emerge -pvuDN world wants to install mailx. > > equery depends mailx says rkhunter is pulling it in via virtual/mailx > > Why isn't this dependency satisfied by the presence of msmtp? > > And more importantly, how can I fix it without installing mailx? > > Thanks, > > Charles > Simplest answer: It was never done because nobody did it. Whoever maintains virtual/mailx does so believing they have a decent set of implementations available for you to use. There was never any guarantee there that all possible satisfiers for virtual/mailx would be listed. File a feature request at b.g.o. if you feel msmtp satsifies virtual/mailx. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
[gentoo-user] alternate mta's
Ok, I have msmpt installed and working just fine. Now, all of a sudden, emerge -pvuDN world wants to install mailx. equery depends mailx says rkhunter is pulling it in via virtual/mailx Why isn't this dependency satisfied by the presence of msmtp? And more importantly, how can I fix it without installing mailx? Thanks, Charles
