Re: [gentoo-user] apcupsd to recycle power
On Friday, November 14, 2014 08:53:13 PM Thanasis wrote: > I have an APC SC620I, which in case of power failure, it successfully > initiates a shutdown to the connected (via SMART cable) PC, but if the > mains power returns, the UPS does not recycle the power to the PC, and > consequently the PC stays off. Not all UPSs have functionality to cycle the power outputs when the power returns. And some that do require a specific command to be sent to it to enable this, which might need some closed-source client that only works on MS Windows. A few years ago there was a message on the nut website asking for a boycot of APC because they changed the protocol and refuse to provide info on it, forcing people to use the APC bloatware. (Requiring Java just to talk to a UPS?) -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] apcupsd to recycle power
on 11/17/2014 03:06 AM thegeezer wrote the following: the only way forward that i see would be to get a small device a la raspberry pi, and have that run apcupsd on it. you can then have that device run wake on lan if it detects the power is good, and trigger remote shutdown when not. Thanks. I am going to try and do some more tests though ...
Re: [gentoo-user] apcupsd to recycle power
On 15/11/2014 16:47, Daniel Frey wrote: If the above fails (if the above does indeed fail, some troubleshooting should happen to try to figure out why it doesn't work), KILLDELAY is the parameter you likely seek, but it is dangerous. If you set this it will wait x seconds after a shutdown was requested and forcibly shut down the UPS power. However, in the even that power is restored between the UPS kill and the time it actually turns off the mains will still not be cycled. But theoretically this window should be pretty small. Dan it does seem as though this hits the issue - that when power fails, the ups triggers a shutdown, but the power doesn't fail hard enough to wind down the ups too, in which case the machine that is waiting for the "offbattery" event is fast asleep and misses the message. it's a shame the killpower command does nothing for you. the only way forward that i see would be to get a small device a la raspberry pi, and have that run apcupsd on it. you can then have that device run wake on lan if it detects the power is good, and trigger remote shutdown when not.
Re: [gentoo-user] apcupsd to recycle power
On Saturday 15 Nov 2014 16:54:26 Thanasis wrote: > on 11/15/2014 04:59 PM Mick wrote the following: > > Have you been through them and in particular the "Full Power Down Test"? > > If yes, did you wait long enough after the PC has powered down, for the > > UPS to also switch off (you can affect the overall waiting time by > > setting a shorter TIMEOUT value, rather than waiting for the batteries > > to go flat). > > Yes I have set the TIMEOUT to 30 (seconds) in /etc/apcupsd/apcupsd.conf, > and run the tests. Waited more than 3 minutes after the PC powers off, > the UPS will not kill the power. Hmm ... I'm running out of ideas. :-( > > If this does not get you somewhere, I recommend you post to the > > nut-upsu...@lists.alioth.debian.org (you'll need to register first). > > Is the above list (nut-upsu...@lists.alioth.debian.org) also appropriate > for apcupsd users? I'm sure I saw threads there on APC UPS, so yes it won't hurt if you post there. > > PS. The services I listed running are particular to my UPS, I expect > > different to your APC unit. > > Yes, because they belong to sys-power/nut. I 've been talking about > sys-power/apcupsd, as I said in first post. > (Should I switch to sys-power/nut?) You can try sys-power/nut, and use something like: sudo /opt/local/bin/usbhid-ups -a apcups -DD to get some debug info from your UPS, after you set up the configuration files. You could either try the apcupsd-ups driver which acts as an apcupsd client, or you give usbhid-ups a spin as I show above. In any case, I trust that the guys at the nut M/L will give sound advice for your particular UPS - unless some gentoo user with this UPS chimes in first. HTH. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] apcupsd to recycle power
On 11/15/2014 09:05 AM, Thanasis wrote: >> >> However, in the even that power is restored between the UPS kill and the >> time it actually turns off the mains will still not be cycled. > > Why would this be so? > That was a musing, it wasn't based on testing. On most UPS systems I've seen when the power comes back the UPS resets. As I said, you can time your shutdown and set KILLDELAY, but make sure you add some extra time in case the shutdown takes longer than expected. `man apcupsd.conf` only has a two-sentence description for killdelay usage. Dan
Re: [gentoo-user] apcupsd to recycle power
on 11/15/2014 06:47 PM Daniel Frey wrote the following: On 11/14/2014 10:53 AM, Thanasis wrote: I have an APC SC620I, which in case of power failure, it successfully initiates a shutdown to the connected (via SMART cable) PC, but if the mains power returns, the UPS does not recycle the power to the PC, and consequently the PC stays off. Regardless if the mains power returns soon after the UPS has initiated a shutdown to the PC, shouldn't the UPS recycle the power anyway, so that the PC comes back on as set in BIOS? I assume that your PC shuts off thus reducing the load - and, of course, this increases the runtime of the remaining battery so the UPS never actually shuts down? I don't think you can get apcupsd in any case to cycle the outlet groups, but you can try a couple things. First, is apcupsd even sending the signal to shutdown the UPS? /etc/init.d/apcupsd.powerfail needs to be added to the shutdown runlevel: `rc-update add apcupsd.powerfail shutdown` I have even tried to run the command "/sbin/apcupsd --killpower" from a root terminal (while in default runlevel, after manually creating the file /etc/apcupsd/powerfail) and nothing happened. At the end of the shutdown this is run and it tells the UPS to power off. If you have multiple PCs this should be enabled on the slowest to shutdown to make sure it doesn't kill a machine still shutting down. Am I missing something in the configuration or the daemons that should be running? (Running sys-power/apcupsd-3.14.8-r2) /etc/apcupsd/apcupsd.conf folows: KILLDELAY 0 If the above fails (if the above does indeed fail, some troubleshooting should happen to try to figure out why it doesn't work), KILLDELAY is the parameter you likely seek, but it is dangerous. If you set this it will wait x seconds after a shutdown was requested and forcibly shut down the UPS power. However, in the even that power is restored between the UPS kill and the time it actually turns off the mains will still not be cycled. Why would this be so? But theoretically this window should be pretty small. Dan
Re: [gentoo-user] apcupsd to recycle power
on 11/15/2014 04:59 PM Mick wrote the following: On Saturday 15 Nov 2014 14:22:47 Thanasis wrote: The PC has an option in BIOS to "Power On" when the mains power is restored to it, without any need to press any button. So, once the UPS has initiated a shutdown to the PC, the PC will shutdown, and if the mains power is restored (to the UPS) shortly after the PC has shutdown, how will the UPS make the PC come back on, unless it cuts (kills) the power to PC's cord, and then restores it after a few seconds. See the link Mick posted in his reply: http://www.apcupsd.com/manual/manual.html#arranging-for-reboot-on-power-up On the same page it lists a number of tests you can perform: http://www.apcupsd.com/manual/manual.html#testing-apcupsd Have you been through them and in particular the "Full Power Down Test"? If yes, did you wait long enough after the PC has powered down, for the UPS to also switch off (you can affect the overall waiting time by setting a shorter TIMEOUT value, rather than waiting for the batteries to go flat). Yes I have set the TIMEOUT to 30 (seconds) in /etc/apcupsd/apcupsd.conf, and run the tests. Waited more than 3 minutes after the PC powers off, the UPS will not kill the power. If this does not get you somewhere, I recommend you post to the nut-upsu...@lists.alioth.debian.org (you'll need to register first). Is the above list (nut-upsu...@lists.alioth.debian.org) also appropriate for apcupsd users? The developers and contributors are offering friendly advice and are very knowledgeable on all things UPS related, including annoying bugs with firmware that defeat reason. PS. The services I listed running are particular to my UPS, I expect different to your APC unit. Yes, because they belong to sys-power/nut. I 've been talking about sys-power/apcupsd, as I said in first post. (Should I switch to sys-power/nut?)
Re: [gentoo-user] apcupsd to recycle power
On 11/14/2014 10:53 AM, Thanasis wrote: > I have an APC SC620I, which in case of power failure, it successfully > initiates a shutdown to the connected (via SMART cable) PC, but if the > mains power returns, the UPS does not recycle the power to the PC, and > consequently the PC stays off. > > Regardless if the mains power returns soon after the UPS has initiated a > shutdown to the PC, shouldn't the UPS recycle the power anyway, so that > the PC comes back on as set in BIOS? I assume that your PC shuts off thus reducing the load - and, of course, this increases the runtime of the remaining battery so the UPS never actually shuts down? I don't think you can get apcupsd in any case to cycle the outlet groups, but you can try a couple things. First, is apcupsd even sending the signal to shutdown the UPS? /etc/init.d/apcupsd.powerfail needs to be added to the shutdown runlevel: `rc-update add apcupsd.powerfail shutdown` At the end of the shutdown this is run and it tells the UPS to power off. If you have multiple PCs this should be enabled on the slowest to shutdown to make sure it doesn't kill a machine still shutting down. > > Am I missing something in the configuration or the daemons that should > be running? > > (Running sys-power/apcupsd-3.14.8-r2) > > /etc/apcupsd/apcupsd.conf folows: > KILLDELAY 0 If the above fails (if the above does indeed fail, some troubleshooting should happen to try to figure out why it doesn't work), KILLDELAY is the parameter you likely seek, but it is dangerous. If you set this it will wait x seconds after a shutdown was requested and forcibly shut down the UPS power. However, in the even that power is restored between the UPS kill and the time it actually turns off the mains will still not be cycled. But theoretically this window should be pretty small. Dan
Re: [gentoo-user] apcupsd to recycle power
on 11/15/2014 04:40 PM Rich Freeman wrote the following: On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Bruce Schultz wrote: If the UPS battery has not run flat before the mains power is restored, I see no reason why a UPS should kill the output power. So the BIOS has no real way of knowing that it should reboot again in that case. Obviously not directly applicable, but I use nut and a cyberpower UPS and the shutdown scheme it employs is that the master (controls the UPS) commands everything else to shut down, then it begins shutdown, and just before powering off it sends a command to the UPS which causes a several second delay followed by a power off, and then it powers off the host (which is otherwise shutdown already). I need to re-read how exactly this is implemented. As I wrote in the initial post I am running apcupsd because my UPS is an APC (... should I switch to sys-power/nut ?)
Re: [gentoo-user] apcupsd to recycle power
On Saturday 15 Nov 2014 14:22:47 Thanasis wrote: > on 11/15/2014 03:54 PM Bruce Schultz wrote the following: > > If the UPS battery has not run flat before the mains power is restored, > > I see no reason why a UPS should kill the output power. > > The PC has an option in BIOS to "Power On" when the mains power is > restored to it, without any need to press any button. > So, once the UPS has initiated a shutdown to the PC, the PC will > shutdown, and if the mains power is restored (to the UPS) shortly after > the PC has shutdown, how will the UPS make the PC come back on, unless > it cuts (kills) the power to PC's cord, and then restores it after a few > seconds. > See the link Mick posted in his reply: > http://www.apcupsd.com/manual/manual.html#arranging-for-reboot-on-power-up On the same page it lists a number of tests you can perform: http://www.apcupsd.com/manual/manual.html#testing-apcupsd Have you been through them and in particular the "Full Power Down Test"? If yes, did you wait long enough after the PC has powered down, for the UPS to also switch off (you can affect the overall waiting time by setting a shorter TIMEOUT value, rather than waiting for the batteries to go flat). If this does not get you somewhere, I recommend you post to the nut-upsu...@lists.alioth.debian.org (you'll need to register first). The developers and contributors are offering friendly advice and are very knowledgeable on all things UPS related, including annoying bugs with firmware that defeat reason. PS. The services I listed running are particular to my UPS, I expect different to your APC unit. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] apcupsd to recycle power
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Bruce Schultz wrote: > > If the UPS battery has not run flat before the mains power is restored, I > see no reason why a UPS should kill the output power. So the BIOS has no > real way of knowing that it should reboot again in that case. > Obviously not directly applicable, but I use nut and a cyberpower UPS and the shutdown scheme it employs is that the master (controls the UPS) commands everything else to shut down, then it begins shutdown, and just before powering off it sends a command to the UPS which causes a several second delay followed by a power off, and then it powers off the host (which is otherwise shutdown already). I need to re-read how exactly this is implemented. -- Rich
Re: [gentoo-user] apcupsd to recycle power
on 11/15/2014 03:54 PM Bruce Schultz wrote the following: If the UPS battery has not run flat before the mains power is restored, I see no reason why a UPS should kill the output power. The PC has an option in BIOS to "Power On" when the mains power is restored to it, without any need to press any button. So, once the UPS has initiated a shutdown to the PC, the PC will shutdown, and if the mains power is restored (to the UPS) shortly after the PC has shutdown, how will the UPS make the PC come back on, unless it cuts (kills) the power to PC's cord, and then restores it after a few seconds. See the link Mick posted in his reply: http://www.apcupsd.com/manual/manual.html#arranging-for-reboot-on-power-up
Re: [gentoo-user] apcupsd to recycle power
On 15/11/14 22:52, Thanasis wrote: on 11/15/2014 11:35 AM Mick wrote the following: On Friday 14 Nov 2014 18:53:13 Thanasis wrote: I have an APC SC620I, which in case of power failure, it successfully initiates a shutdown to the connected (via SMART cable) PC, but if the mains power returns, the UPS does not recycle the power to the PC, and consequently the PC stays off. Regardless if the mains power returns soon after the UPS has initiated a shutdown to the PC, shouldn't the UPS recycle the power anyway, so that the PC comes back on as set in BIOS? Am I missing something in the configuration or the daemons that should be running? Is it that the UPS does not recycle the power, The UPS does NOT recycle the power. or is it that the PC does not reboot after power is restored? Does the PC reboot if you pull and reinsert its mains plug? The PC's BIOS is correctly configured and tested to start up as soon as power is restored to it. Have a look here if you haven't seen this section already: http://www.apcupsd.com/manual/manual.html#arranging-for-reboot-on-power-up Looks like the UPS does not cut (kill) the power, but I am not sure how to debug it. If the UPS battery has not run flat before the mains power is restored, I see no reason why a UPS should kill the output power. So the BIOS has no real way of knowing that it should reboot again in that case. Have you looked for any BIOS options related to powering on from a USB device? eg, I'm thinking of PCs which can be switched on by pressing a key on the keyboard... could that mechanism be triggered by a UPS? Or perhaps via wake-on-lan? (Note I have no real experience with UPSs, I'm just trying to think of other ways that PCs can be made to power on). Bruce -- :b
Re: [gentoo-user] apcupsd to recycle power
on 11/15/2014 11:35 AM Mick wrote the following: On Friday 14 Nov 2014 18:53:13 Thanasis wrote: I have an APC SC620I, which in case of power failure, it successfully initiates a shutdown to the connected (via SMART cable) PC, but if the mains power returns, the UPS does not recycle the power to the PC, and consequently the PC stays off. Regardless if the mains power returns soon after the UPS has initiated a shutdown to the PC, shouldn't the UPS recycle the power anyway, so that the PC comes back on as set in BIOS? Am I missing something in the configuration or the daemons that should be running? (Running sys-power/apcupsd-3.14.8-r2) /etc/apcupsd/apcupsd.conf folows: UPSNAME SC620I UPSCABLE smart UPSTYPE apcsmart DEVICE /dev/ttyS0 LOCKFILE /var/lock SCRIPTDIR /etc/apcupsd PWRFAILDIR /etc/apcupsd NOLOGINDIR /etc ONBATTERYDELAY 6 BATTERYLEVEL 20 MINUTES 2 TIMEOUT 0 ANNOY 300 ANNOYDELAY 60 NOLOGON disable KILLDELAY 0 NETSERVER on NISIP 192.168.0.1 NISPORT 3551 EVENTSFILE /var/log/apcupsd.events EVENTSFILEMAX 10 UPSCLASS standalone UPSMODE disable STATTIME 600 STATFILE /var/log/apcupsd.status LOGSTATS off DATATIME 0 BATTDATE 10/17/11 SENSITIVITY H WAKEUP 60 SLEEP 180 LOTRANSFER 208 HITRANSFER 253 RETURNCHARGE 45 BEEPSTATE L LOWBATT 5 OUTPUTVOLTS 230 SELFTEST 336 I'm afraid I don't have an APC UPS to know its quirks, but in my case I have these running: upsd upsdrv upslog upsmon the above are not part of apcupsd, are they? Is it that the UPS does not recycle the power, The UPS does NOT recycle the power. or is it that the PC does not reboot after power is restored? Does the PC reboot if you pull and reinsert its mains plug? The PC's BIOS is correctly configured and tested to start up as soon as power is restored to it. WARNING: don't just pull the plug in a fully working system to avoid fs corruption - Press something r e i s u in sequence while holding Ctrl+Alt+SysRq and then pull the plug. If the PC's BIOS is configured correctly it should reboot as soon as you reconnect the mains supply to it. I am aware of it. Have a look here if you haven't seen this section already: http://www.apcupsd.com/manual/manual.html#arranging-for-reboot-on-power-up Looks like the UPS does not cut (kill) the power, but I am not sure how to debug it.
Re: [gentoo-user] apcupsd to recycle power
On Friday 14 Nov 2014 18:53:13 Thanasis wrote: > I have an APC SC620I, which in case of power failure, it successfully > initiates a shutdown to the connected (via SMART cable) PC, but if the > mains power returns, the UPS does not recycle the power to the PC, and > consequently the PC stays off. > > Regardless if the mains power returns soon after the UPS has initiated a > shutdown to the PC, shouldn't the UPS recycle the power anyway, so that > the PC comes back on as set in BIOS? > > Am I missing something in the configuration or the daemons that should > be running? > > (Running sys-power/apcupsd-3.14.8-r2) > > /etc/apcupsd/apcupsd.conf folows: > > UPSNAME SC620I > UPSCABLE smart > UPSTYPE apcsmart > DEVICE /dev/ttyS0 > LOCKFILE /var/lock > SCRIPTDIR /etc/apcupsd > PWRFAILDIR /etc/apcupsd > NOLOGINDIR /etc > ONBATTERYDELAY 6 > BATTERYLEVEL 20 > MINUTES 2 > TIMEOUT 0 > ANNOY 300 > ANNOYDELAY 60 > NOLOGON disable > KILLDELAY 0 > NETSERVER on > NISIP 192.168.0.1 > NISPORT 3551 > EVENTSFILE /var/log/apcupsd.events > EVENTSFILEMAX 10 > UPSCLASS standalone > UPSMODE disable > STATTIME 600 > STATFILE /var/log/apcupsd.status > LOGSTATS off > DATATIME 0 > BATTDATE 10/17/11 > SENSITIVITY H > WAKEUP 60 > SLEEP 180 > LOTRANSFER 208 > HITRANSFER 253 > RETURNCHARGE 45 > BEEPSTATE L > LOWBATT 5 > OUTPUTVOLTS 230 > SELFTEST 336 I'm afraid I don't have an APC UPS to know its quirks, but in my case I have these running: upsd upsdrv upslog upsmon Is it that the UPS does not recycle the power, or is it that the PC does not reboot after power is restored? Does the PC reboot if you pull and reinsert its mains plug? WARNING: don't just pull the plug in a fully working system to avoid fs corruption - Press something r e i s u in sequence while holding Ctrl+Alt+SysRq and then pull the plug. If the PC's BIOS is configured correctly it should reboot as soon as you reconnect the mains supply to it. Have a look here if you haven't seen this section already: http://www.apcupsd.com/manual/manual.html#arranging-for-reboot-on-power-up -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] apcupsd to recycle power
I have an APC SC620I, which in case of power failure, it successfully initiates a shutdown to the connected (via SMART cable) PC, but if the mains power returns, the UPS does not recycle the power to the PC, and consequently the PC stays off. Regardless if the mains power returns soon after the UPS has initiated a shutdown to the PC, shouldn't the UPS recycle the power anyway, so that the PC comes back on as set in BIOS? Am I missing something in the configuration or the daemons that should be running? (Running sys-power/apcupsd-3.14.8-r2) /etc/apcupsd/apcupsd.conf folows: UPSNAME SC620I UPSCABLE smart UPSTYPE apcsmart DEVICE /dev/ttyS0 LOCKFILE /var/lock SCRIPTDIR /etc/apcupsd PWRFAILDIR /etc/apcupsd NOLOGINDIR /etc ONBATTERYDELAY 6 BATTERYLEVEL 20 MINUTES 2 TIMEOUT 0 ANNOY 300 ANNOYDELAY 60 NOLOGON disable KILLDELAY 0 NETSERVER on NISIP 192.168.0.1 NISPORT 3551 EVENTSFILE /var/log/apcupsd.events EVENTSFILEMAX 10 UPSCLASS standalone UPSMODE disable STATTIME 600 STATFILE /var/log/apcupsd.status LOGSTATS off DATATIME 0 BATTDATE 10/17/11 SENSITIVITY H WAKEUP 60 SLEEP 180 LOTRANSFER 208 HITRANSFER 253 RETURNCHARGE 45 BEEPSTATE L LOWBATT 5 OUTPUTVOLTS 230 SELFTEST 336
