Re: [gentoo-user] floppy flops: mtools vs file managers
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Philip Webb wrote: > 070411 David W Noon wrote: >> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Philip Webb wrote: [snip] >>> I've added a line to /etc/fstab : >>> '/dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy vfat noauto,user 0 0' >> I would have thought filesystem 'msdos' would make more sense, >> if all your floppies are FAT12. > > I've changed it, but it doesn't seem to make a difference. > > Further testing (all under KDE 3.5.6) reveals the following: > Krusader needs to be root to write or delete diskette files; Try adding umask=000 to your options list in /etc/fstab, just after "user". This allows world write on all files and directories, just like FAT12 has always permitted. Take a look at man 8 mount and examine the section headed "Mount options for fat". This offers other options that allow you a less promiscuous approach to the security of the data on your FAT floppies. > Thunar mounts, writes & deletes ok, > but there's a 35 sec delay before the drive reacts > & to update the file list you have to 'unmount' the device, then reopen > it; That's the filesystem driver caching the data. Moreover, it looks like Thunar might be using mtools behind the scenes. > Dolphin doesn't seem able to handle the diskette drive reliably, > but it is still "testing" (Gentoo) & under active development (KDE). I avoid unstable packages, especially when I am experimenting with hardware and operating system configurations. -- Regards Dave [RLU#314465] == [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David W Noon) == -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] floppy flops: mtools vs file managers
On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:11:32 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy msdos noauto,user,sync 0 0 > > ...in /etc/fstab. I don't know if the "sync" options works with MSDOS > filesys, but it's worth a try. It does, it's useful for killing flash memory devices :( It will be very slow though, because Linux now updates the FAT table after each block write, which is how it managed to start wearing out flash memory. -- Neil Bothwick Windows Error #02: Multitasking attempted. System confused. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] floppy flops: mtools vs file managers
On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 05:52:57PM -0400, Philip Webb wrote > Thunar mounts, writes & deletes ok, but there's a 35 sec delay > before the drive reacts & to update the file list you have to > 'unmount' the device, then reopen it; That's called "caching". It does wonders for system responsiveness, but sucks at fast updates to files. If you're willing to wait while the system writes to the floppy, try... /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy msdos noauto,user,sync 0 0 ...in /etc/fstab. I don't know if the "sync" options works with MSDOS filesys, but it's worth a try. Another option is the "sync" command, as in /bin/sync. However, it's a bit heavy-handed because it syncs all mounted partitions. It may be more convenient than unmount+mount. -- Walter Dnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 Q. Mr. Ghandi, what do you think of Microsoft security? A. I think it would be a good idea. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] floppy flops: mtools vs file managers
070411 David W Noon wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Philip Webb wrote: >> Ordinarily, I use Mtools to manage diskettes (floppies): >> it's very fast & efficient to copy & delete files from the CLI. > I presume you use only FAT12 formatted floppies Yes: they have never been reformatted under Linux. >> I've long had Krusader installed & have recently tested Thunar & Dolphin >> & find that while they claim to handle diskettes, it's not reliable: >> sometimes they do copy or delete files successfully; >> sometimes they say they have, but nothing happens in the drive; >> sometimes they say they can't access the drive at all. >> I've added a line to /etc/fstab : >> '/dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy vfat noauto,user 0 0' > I would have thought filesystem 'msdos' would make more sense, > if all your floppies are FAT12. I've changed it, but it doesn't seem to make a difference. Further testing (all under KDE 3.5.6) reveals the following: Krusader needs to be root to write or delete diskette files; Thunar mounts, writes & deletes ok, but there's a 35 sec delay before the drive reacts & to update the file list you have to 'unmount' the device, then reopen it; Dolphin doesn't seem able to handle the diskette drive reliably, but it is still "testing" (Gentoo) & under active development (KDE). For everyday purposes, there's nothing like CLI + Mtools, but I wanted to try out the capabilities of the file managers. Further comments welcome from anyone. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] floppy flops: mtools vs file managers
On Wednesday 11 April 2007 20:56, Philip Webb wrote: > Ordinarily, I use Mtools to manage diskettes (floppies): > it's very fast & efficient to copy & delete files from the CLI. > > I've long had Krusader installed & have recently tested Thunar & Dolphin > & find that while they claim to handle diskettes, it's not reliable: > sometimes they do copy or delete files successfully; > sometimes they say they have, but nothing happens in the drive; > sometimes they say they can't access the drive at all. > I've added a line to /etc/fstab : > '/dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy vfat noauto,user 0 0' This won't work well with dbus and hald running at default runlevel. To automount a device like /dev/fd0 you will need to take it out of fstab and leave the job to dbus & hald. If you want to mount it manually from the CLI use pmount/pumount instead of mount. Alternatively, if you want a totally manual approach forget hald and make an entry in fstab as above; vfat is best for writing long filenames, auto will also work as suggested. HTH. -- Regards, Mick pgpE5QqnB2k08.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] floppy flops: mtools vs file managers
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Philip Webb wrote: > Ordinarily, I use Mtools to manage diskettes (floppies): > it's very fast & efficient to copy & delete files from the CLI. I presume you use only FAT12 formatted floppies (i.e. no ext2), as that is the only format mtools supports (last I looked). > I've long had Krusader installed & have recently tested Thunar & Dolphin > & find that while they claim to handle diskettes, it's not reliable: > sometimes they do copy or delete files successfully; > sometimes they say they have, but nothing happens in the drive; > sometimes they say they can't access the drive at all. > I've added a line to /etc/fstab : > '/dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy vfat noauto,user 0 0' Why use vfat for the filesystem? I would have thought msdos would make more sense if all your floppies are FAT12. However, I use auto for the filesystem (but noauto in the options) as I also use ext2 floppies. -- Regards Dave [RLU#314465] == [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David W Noon) == -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] floppy flops: mtools vs file managers
Ordinarily, I use Mtools to manage diskettes (floppies): it's very fast & efficient to copy & delete files from the CLI. I've long had Krusader installed & have recently tested Thunar & Dolphin & find that while they claim to handle diskettes, it's not reliable: sometimes they do copy or delete files successfully; sometimes they say they have, but nothing happens in the drive; sometimes they say they can't access the drive at all. I've added a line to /etc/fstab : '/dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy vfat noauto,user 0 0' & I've changed the permissions on /mnt/floppy to '777'. Yes, I do have HAL installed & it does start at boot time. I'm using KDE 3.5.6 with Kernel 2.6.20 & everything else works well. Xfce 4.4 , incl Thunar, is installed in /usr/local , using the official Xfce installer (I tested Thunar with KDE & Xfce). Have other people had such problems -- have they even tried -- , does anyone have useful comments, suggestions or explanations ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
