Re: [gentoo-user] Layman and eix-sync

[Dale]

James Ausmus wrote:



On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 4:26 AM, Daniel Pielmeier > wrote:


2009/11/12 Dale mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com>>:
>
> I'm wondering if something is set differently here.  After
running eix-sync,
> there were updates from the layman part.  I got lines like this:
>
 Fetching (15 of 16) kde-base/konq-plugins-3.5.10 from kde-sunset
 Fetching (16 of 16) kde-base/kdeaddons-meta-3.5.10 from
kde-sunset
>
> But also some like this:
>
 Fetching (3 of 16) media-libs/libsdl-1.2.13-r1
 Fetching (5 of 16) sci-calculators/kconvert-1.1-r1
>
> I haven't changed any configs for layman except to add that one
line to
> make.conf that tells it where where the source is.  This is odd.
>

You can edit /etc/eix-sync.conf to sync layman overlays with eix-sync.
I think adding a line with "*" there should be enough, but look up the
eix man page to be sure.


That's correct - all you need is a single line with an asterisk on it:

*

-James
 



This way eix-sync does the following emerge --sync && layman -S &&
eix-update.

--
Daniel Pielmeier




Like this:

r...@smoker ~ # cat /etc/eix-sync.conf
*
r...@smoker ~ #


I synced a bit ago so it may be a day or two before I sync again. 


Thanks much.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Layman and eix-sync

[James Ausmus]

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 4:26 AM, Daniel Pielmeier  wrote:

> 2009/11/12 Dale :
> >
> > I'm wondering if something is set differently here.  After running
> eix-sync,
> > there were updates from the layman part.  I got lines like this:
> >
>  Fetching (15 of 16) kde-base/konq-plugins-3.5.10 from kde-sunset
>  Fetching (16 of 16) kde-base/kdeaddons-meta-3.5.10 from kde-sunset
> >
> > But also some like this:
> >
>  Fetching (3 of 16) media-libs/libsdl-1.2.13-r1
>  Fetching (5 of 16) sci-calculators/kconvert-1.1-r1
> >
> > I haven't changed any configs for layman except to add that one line to
> > make.conf that tells it where where the source is.  This is odd.
> >
>
> You can edit /etc/eix-sync.conf to sync layman overlays with eix-sync.
> I think adding a line with "*" there should be enough, but look up the
> eix man page to be sure.
>

That's correct - all you need is a single line with an asterisk on it:

*

-James


>
> This way eix-sync does the following emerge --sync && layman -S &&
> eix-update.
>
> --
> Daniel Pielmeier
>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] Layman and eix-sync

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:

On Thursday 12 November 2009 14:52:14 Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
  

then unmerge all of kde-3.5, verify with depclean, then delete the
overlay


I thought they changed all that? I have /usr/kde/3.5 but nothing for KDE
4. Equery shows this:
  

 > r...@smoker ~ # equery files kde-base/kdelibs-4.3.3

Alan spoke about the configs and app data in ~. kdelibs naturally installs
 into  the system, not home. And if you don't enable the prefix useflag in
 the older version (I believe they removed it a while ago anyway), then it
 installs HFS compliantly into /usr instead of /usr/kde/$version.




Correct.

KDE-3.5 installs into /usr/kde3.5/
KDE-4 installs into /usr/

with kdeprefix, KDE-4 *used* to install into /usr/kde4.1, /usr/kde4.2, etc but 
this was a bad idea when it started and never got any better so it was canned. 
Full gory details in the KDE4 docs on gentoo.org.


Short version: Do not use kdeprefix. Ever.

  


I wasn't thinking about the /home config but the KDE install itself.  
Now we are on the same page.  I see more clearly now.  They did 
mask/disable the kdeprefix USE flag.  It's not a "option" anymore.


There is a lot that I like about KDE 4 but it just isn't quite usable 
for everything I do just yet.  It's getting there tho.


Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Layman and eix-sync

[Alan McKinnon]

On Thursday 12 November 2009 14:52:14 Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
> >> then unmerge all of kde-3.5, verify with depclean, then delete the
> >> overlay
> >
> > I thought they changed all that? I have /usr/kde/3.5 but nothing for KDE
> > 4. Equery shows this:
> 
>  > r...@smoker ~ # equery files kde-base/kdelibs-4.3.3
> 
> Alan spoke about the configs and app data in ~. kdelibs naturally installs
>  into  the system, not home. And if you don't enable the prefix useflag in
>  the older version (I believe they removed it a while ago anyway), then it
>  installs HFS compliantly into /usr instead of /usr/kde/$version.
> 

Correct.

KDE-3.5 installs into /usr/kde3.5/
KDE-4 installs into /usr/

with kdeprefix, KDE-4 *used* to install into /usr/kde4.1, /usr/kde4.2, etc but 
this was a bad idea when it started and never got any better so it was canned. 
Full gory details in the KDE4 docs on gentoo.org.

Short version: Do not use kdeprefix. Ever.

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Layman and eix-sync

[Frank Steinmetzger]

Am 12.11.2009 12:47, schrieb Dale:


Alan McKinnon wrote:



While I am here, I plan to get rid of all the layman stuff when KDE 4 is
ready enough for me to use. Do I just run layman -d all and unmerge
layman? Does that get the job done?


Leave layman installed, it's useful. You also need it if you want the
sunrise stuff.

Run KDE4 and 3.5 side by side for a bit till you are happy. They use
different directories in ~ so they don't clash:

kde-3.5 ~/.kde
kde-4 ~/.kde4


The only "clash" I experience is that a kbuildsyoca (without the 4) in kde4 
environment causes kde3 quicklauncher to lose all contents except for the 
Kontact symbol, kcontrol becomes empty and nothing from the k-menu works. If I 
do the kbuildsycoca back in kde3, then log out and in again, everything is back 
to normal, only the Quicklauncher remains empty. I got used to it thanks to 
Katapult. :-)



then unmerge all of kde-3.5, verify with depclean, then delete the
overlay



I thought they changed all that? I have /usr/kde/3.5 but nothing for KDE
4. Equery shows this:

> r...@smoker ~ # equery files kde-base/kdelibs-4.3.3

Alan spoke about the configs and app data in ~. kdelibs naturally installs into 
the system, not home. And if you don't enable the prefix useflag in the older 
version (I believe they removed it a while ago anyway), then it installs HFS 
compliantly into /usr instead of /usr/kde/$version.


PS.: I too use the kde3 overlay, as I am hesitant to switch as well. The bloody 
NVidia graphics driver causes regular flickering and sometimes it all hangs. I 
have orphaned entries in the task panel on a regular basis. KDM4 doesn't like 
my preferred font size. And until the Akregator devs have dealt with 
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=190616 I can't use Kontact 4 either.

--
Am 8. Tag schuf Gott das Bier, und seitdem hörte man nichts mehr von ihm.

Re: [gentoo-user] Layman and eix-sync

[Daniel Pielmeier]

2009/11/12 Dale :
>
> I'm wondering if something is set differently here.  After running eix-sync,
> there were updates from the layman part.  I got lines like this:
>
 Fetching (15 of 16) kde-base/konq-plugins-3.5.10 from kde-sunset
 Fetching (16 of 16) kde-base/kdeaddons-meta-3.5.10 from kde-sunset
>
> But also some like this:
>
 Fetching (3 of 16) media-libs/libsdl-1.2.13-r1
 Fetching (5 of 16) sci-calculators/kconvert-1.1-r1
>
> I haven't changed any configs for layman except to add that one line to
> make.conf that tells it where where the source is.  This is odd.
>

You can edit /etc/eix-sync.conf to sync layman overlays with eix-sync.
I think adding a line with "*" there should be enough, but look up the
eix man page to be sure.

This way eix-sync does the following emerge --sync && layman -S && eix-update.

-- 
Daniel Pielmeier

Re: [gentoo-user] Layman and eix-sync

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:

On Thursday 12 November 2009 04:17:47 Dale wrote:
  

Hi,

I'm using layman to keep KDE 3.5 installed and have a question.  I run
eix-sync to sync my tree.  From what I see, it appears it also syncs the
layman part as well.  Does it?  This is what I see:

[0] "gentoo" /usr/portage/ (cache: metadata-flat)
 Reading 100%
[1] "kde-sunset" /usr/local/portage/layman/kde-sunset (cache:
parse|ebuild*#metadata-flat#assign)
 Reading 100%

I just want to make sure I am seeing this correctly.



No, eix-sync does an emerge --sync and updates the local cache for portage and 
all overlays trees. To sync the overlays you need this:


layman -S && eix-sync

  


I'm wondering if something is set differently here.  After running 
eix-sync, there were updates from the layman part.  I got lines like this:


>>> Fetching (15 of 16) kde-base/konq-plugins-3.5.10 from kde-sunset
>>> Fetching (16 of 16) kde-base/kdeaddons-meta-3.5.10 from kde-sunset

But also some like this:

>>> Fetching (3 of 16) media-libs/libsdl-1.2.13-r1
>>> Fetching (5 of 16) sci-calculators/kconvert-1.1-r1

I haven't changed any configs for layman except to add that one line to 
make.conf that tells it where where the source is.  This is odd.



While I am here, I plan to get rid of all the layman stuff when KDE 4 is
ready enough for me to use.  Do I just run layman -d all and unmerge
layman?  Does that get the job done?



Leave layman installed, it's useful. You also need it if you want the sunrise 
stuff.


Run KDE4 and 3.5 side by side for a bit till you are happy. They use different 
directories in ~ so they don't clash:


kde-3.5 ~/.kde
kde-4   ~/.kde4

then unmerge all of kde-3.5, verify with depclean, then delete the overlay

  


I thought they changed all that?  I have /usr/kde/3.5 but nothing for 
KDE 4.  Equery shows this:


r...@smoker ~ # equery files kde-base/kdelibs-4.3.3 
[ Searching for packages matching kde-base/kdelibs-4.3.3... ]   
* Contents of kde-base/kdelibs-4.3.3:   
/etc
/etc/xdg
/etc/xdg/menus  
/etc/xdg/menus/kde-4.3-applications.menu
/usr
/usr/bin
/usr/bin/checkXML   
/usr/bin/kbuildsycoca4  
/usr/bin/kconfig_compiler   
/usr/bin/kcookiejar4
/usr/bin/kde4-config
/usr/bin/kded4  
/usr/bin/kdeinit4   
/usr/bin/kdeinit4_shutdown  
/usr/bin/kdeinit4_wrapper   
/usr/bin/kjs
/usr/bin/kjscmd 
/usr/bin/kross  
/usr/bin/kshell4
/usr/bin/kunittestmodrunner 
/usr/bin/kwrapper4  
/usr/bin/makekdewidgets 
/usr/bin/meinproc4  
/usr/bin/nepomuk-rcgen  
/usr/bin/preparetips   

I used to have the kdeprefix flag set but they masked it. 

I do have both KDE 3.5 and KDE 4 installed.  It's just that some things 
don't work in KDE 4 yet.  I like it but I still use KDE 3.5 for the most 
part.  We been discussing this on the KDE list.


I'm just not a real big fan of this layman thing, yet anyway.  It may 
grow on me.  Who knows.


Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Layman and eix-sync

[Alan McKinnon]

On Thursday 12 November 2009 04:17:47 Dale wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm using layman to keep KDE 3.5 installed and have a question.  I run
> eix-sync to sync my tree.  From what I see, it appears it also syncs the
> layman part as well.  Does it?  This is what I see:
> 
> [0] "gentoo" /usr/portage/ (cache: metadata-flat)
>  Reading 100%
> [1] "kde-sunset" /usr/local/portage/layman/kde-sunset (cache:
> parse|ebuild*#metadata-flat#assign)
>  Reading 100%
> 
> I just want to make sure I am seeing this correctly.

No, eix-sync does an emerge --sync and updates the local cache for portage and 
all overlays trees. To sync the overlays you need this:

layman -S && eix-sync

> While I am here, I plan to get rid of all the layman stuff when KDE 4 is
> ready enough for me to use.  Do I just run layman -d all and unmerge
> layman?  Does that get the job done?

Leave layman installed, it's useful. You also need it if you want the sunrise 
stuff.

Run KDE4 and 3.5 side by side for a bit till you are happy. They use different 
directories in ~ so they don't clash:

kde-3.5 ~/.kde
kde-4   ~/.kde4

then unmerge all of kde-3.5, verify with depclean, then delete the overlay

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Layman and eix-sync

[Johannes Kimmel]

Dale wrote:

Hi,

I'm using layman to keep KDE 3.5 installed and have a question.  I run 
eix-sync to sync my tree.  From what I see, it appears it also syncs 
the layman part as well.  Does it?  This is what I see:


[0] "gentoo" /usr/portage/ (cache: metadata-flat)
Reading 100%[1] 
"kde-sunset" /usr/local/portage/layman/kde-sunset (cache: 
parse|ebuild*#metadata-flat#assign)

Reading 100%
I just want to make sure I am seeing this correctly.
I dont't think so. "eix-sync" runs an "eix-update" after "emerge 
--sync". It just rereads the overlay, without "layman -S" in advance. 
You have to do that manually.
While I am here, I plan to get rid of all the layman stuff when KDE 4 
is ready enough for me to use.  Do I just run layman -d all and 
unmerge layman?  Does that get the job done?


Thanks much.

Dale

:-)  :-)



Maybe you want install kde4 first and then run "emerge --depclean" 
(after removing the overlay). In that way you had an backup if kde4 fails.


Johannes