Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo installation
On 19:42 Thu 27 Sep , Petar Dimitrijevic wrote: Hi ppl, My basic idea is to have chroot-ed environment which will be the full system and then to install separate system with only minimal stuff (without gcc, portage, ...). When I need to update the minimal system I will first update the chrooted one and the emerge the updates onto the new one. What it sounds like you want is an LFS system. Look at the -B option for emerge. That may have some of what you are looking for. I wanted to ask if somebody has done something like this, is something like this possible and are there any wiki's or howto's on this topic. I've tried searching through the handbook and google-ing but had no luck. I thought about doing this once before, but what is going to make the diffrence is how minimal you want the system. Are we talking a kernel + [ba|z]sh + coreutils or are we talking a tiny Apache server? If you want the absolute minimal, then I would look some into LFS since Gentoo wants to install so much by default (gcc, bash, coreutils, wget, ect). -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo installation
forgottenwizard wrote: On 19:42 Thu 27 Sep , Petar Dimitrijevic wrote: Hi ppl, My basic idea is to have chroot-ed environment which will be the full system and then to install separate system with only minimal stuff (without gcc, portage, ...). When I need to update the minimal system I will first update the chrooted one and the emerge the updates onto the new one. What it sounds like you want is an LFS system. Look at the -B option for emerge. That may have some of what you are looking for. Hm I browsed through emerge man page but I'm unable to find the -B option. Is this maybe --build option ? I wanted to ask if somebody has done something like this, is something like this possible and are there any wiki's or howto's on this topic. I've tried searching through the handbook and google-ing but had no luck. I thought about doing this once before, but what is going to make the diffrence is how minimal you want the system. Are we talking a kernel + [ba|z]sh + coreutils or are we talking a tiny Apache server? Well I want to have couple of variations: 1. Apache, php, python, 2. Xorg, python, wxwindows So I guess they wouldn't be too small. My expectations are that the fs size would be = 256 MB to 400 MB. My target is VIA C3 Nemiah board with 128MB RAM and 512MB CF Card. If you want the absolute minimal, then I would look some into LFS since Gentoo wants to install so much by default (gcc, bash, coreutils, wget, ect). I thought about checking out LFS but Gentoo seemed simpler to try. Also because of portage the system is easier to upgrade. But if I can't get what I need I guess I'll try LFS. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo installation
Hi, Petar Dimitrijevic wrote: Hi ppl, My basic idea is to have chroot-ed environment which will be the full system and then to install separate system with only minimal stuff (without gcc, portage, ...). When I need to update the minimal system I will first update the chrooted one and the emerge the updates onto the new one. So I got the stage3 tarball, unpacked it and and chrooted it. I've updated all the packages and started installation of new packages with: ROOT=/install emerge ... I wanted to ask if somebody has done something like this, is something like this possible and are there any wiki's or howto's on this topic. I've tried searching through the handbook and google-ing but had no luck. http://gentoo-wiki.com/TinyGentoo provides a somewhat extensive introduction to this as well as a long list of links to related web pages. Note, that you have to include libstdc++.so yourself if you're not emerging gcc into your /install. If you're not cross-compiling you might want to have a look at http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/gnap.xml Regards, Andi -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo installation
On 23:04 Thu 27 Sep , Petar Dimitrijevic wrote: forgottenwizard wrote: On 19:42 Thu 27 Sep , Petar Dimitrijevic wrote: Hi ppl, My basic idea is to have chroot-ed environment which will be the full system and then to install separate system with only minimal stuff (without gcc, portage, ...). When I need to update the minimal system I will first update the chrooted one and the emerge the updates onto the new one. What it sounds like you want is an LFS system. Look at the -B option for emerge. That may have some of what you are looking for. Hm I browsed through emerge man page but I'm unable to find the -B option. Is this maybe --build option ? Yeah. Just something to build the binaries should work. I wanted to ask if somebody has done something like this, is something like this possible and are there any wiki's or howto's on this topic. I've tried searching through the handbook and google-ing but had no luck. I thought about doing this once before, but what is going to make the diffrence is how minimal you want the system. Are we talking a kernel + [ba|z]sh + coreutils or are we talking a tiny Apache server? Well I want to have couple of variations: 1. Apache, php, python, 2. Xorg, python, wxwindows So I guess they wouldn't be too small. My expectations are that the fs size would be = 256 MB to 400 MB. My target is VIA C3 Nemiah board with 128MB RAM and 512MB CF Card. Nice. Apache I know you could fit into that without a problem, and X should be able to handle that little If you want the absolute minimal, then I would look some into LFS since Gentoo wants to install so much by default (gcc, bash, coreutils, wget, ect). I thought about checking out LFS but Gentoo seemed simpler to try. Also because of portage the system is easier to upgrade. But if I can't get what I need I guess I'll try LFS. Look up ALFS (Automated Linuc From Scratch). It's a basic system, but if you want something fairly minimal, I'd suggest looking at Portage and the ebuilds you like and see if you couldn't script yourself a small package manager just using wget and maybe doing the compiling by hand (or just running ./configure make make install, if you don't want to do anything to minimize the installed packages). -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo installation
Andreas Niederl wrote: Hi, Petar Dimitrijevic wrote: Hi ppl, My basic idea is to have chroot-ed environment which will be the full system and then to install separate system with only minimal stuff (without gcc, portage, ...). When I need to update the minimal system I will first update the chrooted one and the emerge the updates onto the new one. So I got the stage3 tarball, unpacked it and and chrooted it. I've updated all the packages and started installation of new packages with: ROOT=/install emerge ... I wanted to ask if somebody has done something like this, is something like this possible and are there any wiki's or howto's on this topic. I've tried searching through the handbook and google-ing but had no luck. http://gentoo-wiki.com/TinyGentoo provides a somewhat extensive introduction to this as well as a long list of links to related web pages. Thanks I'll give it a look. Note, that you have to include libstdc++.so yourself if you're not emerging gcc into your /install. You mean just to copy libstdc++.so to /lib or emerge libstdc++ ? If you're not cross-compiling you might want to have a look at http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/gnap.xml I'm not cross compiling. I'm compiling the packages on i686 arch for i686 arch. So I'll check this one too. Regards, Andi Thanks for the pointers. Petar -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo installation
forgottenwizard wrote: On 23:04 Thu 27 Sep , Petar Dimitrijevic wrote: forgottenwizard wrote: On 19:42 Thu 27 Sep , Petar Dimitrijevic wrote: Hi ppl, My basic idea is to have chroot-ed environment which will be the full system and then to install separate system with only minimal stuff (without gcc, portage, ...). When I need to update the minimal system I will first update the chrooted one and the emerge the updates onto the new one. What it sounds like you want is an LFS system. Look at the -B option for emerge. That may have some of what you are looking for. Hm I browsed through emerge man page but I'm unable to find the -B option. Is this maybe --build option ? Yeah. Just something to build the binaries should work. I wanted to ask if somebody has done something like this, is something like this possible and are there any wiki's or howto's on this topic. I've tried searching through the handbook and google-ing but had no luck. I thought about doing this once before, but what is going to make the diffrence is how minimal you want the system. Are we talking a kernel + [ba|z]sh + coreutils or are we talking a tiny Apache server? Well I want to have couple of variations: 1. Apache, php, python, 2. Xorg, python, wxwindows So I guess they wouldn't be too small. My expectations are that the fs size would be = 256 MB to 400 MB. My target is VIA C3 Nemiah board with 128MB RAM and 512MB CF Card. Nice. Apache I know you could fit into that without a problem, and X should be able to handle that little If you want the absolute minimal, then I would look some into LFS since Gentoo wants to install so much by default (gcc, bash, coreutils, wget, ect). I thought about checking out LFS but Gentoo seemed simpler to try. Also because of portage the system is easier to upgrade. But if I can't get what I need I guess I'll try LFS. Look up ALFS (Automated Linuc From Scratch). It's a basic system, but if you want something fairly minimal, I'd suggest looking at Portage and the ebuilds you like and see if you couldn't script yourself a small package manager just using wget and maybe doing the compiling by hand (or just running ./configure make make install, if you don't want to do anything to minimize the installed packages). Hm very nice idea. Some kind of Gentoo/LFS hybtid :). I guess I'll give it a shot. Thank you so much. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo installation
On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 00:51:45 +0200, Petar Dimitrijevic wrote: I'm not cross compiling. I'm compiling the packages on i686 arch for i686 arch. The C3 is i586 not i686. Compile for i686 and it will crash. I built a system booting from CF on an Epia board and I used a variation on this http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-244837.html Using a compressed filesystem lets you fit far more on the card, I had a MythTV frontend in less than 256MB. This Wiki page may be worth a look http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Small_Footprint_Gentoo_on_USB You can reduce the size of packages by adding nodoc, noman and noinfo to FEATURES. -- Neil Bothwick It's ten o'clock; do you know where your processes are? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo installation
Petar Dimitrijevic wrote: Andreas Niederl wrote: [...] Note, that you have to include libstdc++.so yourself if you're not emerging gcc into your /install. You mean just to copy libstdc++.so to /lib or emerge libstdc++ ? [...] Just copy it over to /usr/lib (which is the default location for this library, I believe). There is no general separate libstdc++ package. sys-libs/libstdc++-v3 only provides an older version for backwards compatibility. Regards, Andi -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo installation
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 00:51:45 +0200, Petar Dimitrijevic wrote: I'm not cross compiling. I'm compiling the packages on i686 arch for i686 arch. The C3 is i586 not i686. Compile for i686 and it will crash. I built a system booting from CF on an Epia board and I used a variation on this http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-244837.html The CPU on the boards is VIA Mark CoreFusion™ CPU with 533 MHz core. That is a CPU (I think that is VIA C3 Nemiah which is newer than the C3) with integrated southbridge. I've been running i686 Fedora Core on it (By i686 I mean i686 kernel and few applications compiled by hand for i686 arch). I've use to have one or two VIA EPIA boards which could run only i586 software. Using a compressed filesystem lets you fit far more on the card, I had a MythTV frontend in less than 256MB. This Wiki page may be worth a look http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Small_Footprint_Gentoo_on_USB You can reduce the size of packages by adding nodoc, noman and noinfo to FEATURES. I'll definitely give it a look but I had bad experience with compressed file systems in the past. I've tried using Slax or any live cd distro for that matter. There are two variations of the board I'm using. One with 128 MB RAM and one with 256 MB RAM. The second one has no problem whatsoever with running compressed filesystems. But the first one is a living nightmare if you try using compressed filesystem. The CPU is slow and in combination with small amount of RAM it's a real killer. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo installation
Andreas Niederl wrote: Petar Dimitrijevic wrote: Andreas Niederl wrote: [...] Note, that you have to include libstdc++.so yourself if you're not emerging gcc into your /install. You mean just to copy libstdc++.so to /lib or emerge libstdc++ ? [...] Just copy it over to /usr/lib (which is the default location for this library, I believe). Thx for the tip. There is no general separate libstdc++ package. sys-libs/libstdc++-v3 only provides an older version for backwards compatibility. Regards, Andi -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
