Re: [gentoo-user] Quickest/easiest Gentoo install?
On 7/8/20 1:09 AM, Matt Connell (Gmail) wrote: On Tue, 2020-07-07 at 23:50 -0400, james wrote: I have a proton mail account, the free one, very basic. Proton mail doesn't allow standard IMAP/SMTP, which is relevant given the below. If you want to use a mail client, protonmail is probably a non-starter for you Will this guide allow thunderbird and other complex apps to send/receive mail from the postfix server, (thunderbird) ? Yes, the guide uses dovecot which is a modern IMAP server. Postfix is used exclusively for SMTP as an MTA, for sending. OK, you have convinced me. I'm got to spin up some extra gentoo systems (rasp.Pi.4) and get the static IPs from the isp. I'll drop a line, when ready. DO feel encourages to just keep replying to this thread, with links, suggested config options and anything else. I'm going for the entire enchilada, here:: (2) primary dns servers, one mail server (system) and one basic simple web server.
Re: [gentoo-user] Quickest/easiest Gentoo install?
On Wednesday, 8 July 2020 03:54:43 BST james wrote: > On 7/7/20 9:20 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 07, 2020 at 01:47:31PM -0400, james wrote > > > >> Good news: I have dozens of potential solutions to what you seek. I will > >> post a few, that best (potentially) satisfy your solution-request. > >> Please let me know what your try and what is wrong with what I suggest. > >> (it helps me). > >> > >> > >> Bad news: I am currently very disorganized. > >> > >Thay all seem to come with various software pre-installed that I don't > > > > need/want. I decided to try a quickie manual install, but ran into > > problems, which are a separate thread. Just one semi-related question > > here. Do I still need both LINGUAS and L10N in make.conf? On my > > desktop I currently have... > > > > LINGUAS="en en_US" > > L10N="en en-US" > > Walter, > > I have both of those in my make.confs on all gentoo systems. I'm not > saying that's the best, but yes I have > similar: > > > LINGUAS="en_US" > L10N="en-us" > > > hth, > James Unless you have old packages installed but not updated for a while now and they which use LINGUAS, L10N is all you should need: https://gentoo.org/support/news-items/2016-06-23-l10n-use_expand.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Quickest/easiest Gentoo install?
On Tue, 2020-07-07 at 23:50 -0400, james wrote: > I have a proton mail account, the free one, very basic. Proton mail doesn't allow standard IMAP/SMTP, which is relevant given the below. If you want to use a mail client, protonmail is probably a non-starter for you > Will this guide allow thunderbird and other complex apps to > send/receive mail from the postfix server, (thunderbird) ? Yes, the guide uses dovecot which is a modern IMAP server. Postfix is used exclusively for SMTP as an MTA, for sending.
Re: [gentoo-user] Quickest/easiest Gentoo install?
On 7/7/20 10:54 PM, Matt Connell (Gmail) wrote: On Tue, 2020-07-07 at 18:18 -0400, james wrote: So who do folks recommend for mail server services? If you want to pay someone to host mail for you, I can vouch for Mailfence. I have a proton mail account, the free one, very basic. Inquiring about upgrading to a paid (backup account). BUT that $2.50/mo. does look attractive at mailfence, https://protonmail.com/pricing Time to set up my own mail server (what I prefer to do). Or if you want to go this route, here's the Gentoo-centric answer: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Simple_mail_server_with_webmail Yes that guide looks cool. I can always continue to add features and codes as I get my own mail server setup, tune and inclusive of what I want. (postfix)! Will this guide allow thunderbird and other complex apps to send/receive mail from the postfix server, (thunderbird) ? I've decided to get 5 statics and set up a postfix mail and (2) dns servers and a webserver, just for kicks. I've been toying around. It'll only cost me @25/mo for (5) static IPs. And finally, I can do what I want, again. Eventually, when the 16G Rasp-pi are set up, I'll want to move the DNS, postfix (et al) server and web server to all onto the Rpi4-16Gig ram boards.
Re: [gentoo-user] Quickest/easiest Gentoo install?
On 7/7/20 9:20 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: On Tue, Jul 07, 2020 at 01:47:31PM -0400, james wrote Good news: I have dozens of potential solutions to what you seek. I will post a few, that best (potentially) satisfy your solution-request. Please let me know what your try and what is wrong with what I suggest. (it helps me). Bad news: I am currently very disorganized. Thay all seem to come with various software pre-installed that I don't need/want. I decided to try a quickie manual install, but ran into problems, which are a separate thread. Just one semi-related question here. Do I still need both LINGUAS and L10N in make.conf? On my desktop I currently have... Well, cant you just use one of the first 2 and then just edit/add to your world file? With modest resources, it is often best to use an existing binary, and build out the next/older version with that existing binary as a ref. Older systems with modest resources, can easily be 'burned' if you have them compile too much or too long. I often open them up, and put a 12" fan blowing hard to keep the resources cool, especially for large compiles... ymmv.
Re: [gentoo-user] Quickest/easiest Gentoo install?
On 7/7/20 9:20 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: On Tue, Jul 07, 2020 at 01:47:31PM -0400, james wrote Good news: I have dozens of potential solutions to what you seek. I will post a few, that best (potentially) satisfy your solution-request. Please let me know what your try and what is wrong with what I suggest. (it helps me). Bad news: I am currently very disorganized. Thay all seem to come with various software pre-installed that I don't need/want. I decided to try a quickie manual install, but ran into problems, which are a separate thread. Just one semi-related question here. Do I still need both LINGUAS and L10N in make.conf? On my desktop I currently have... LINGUAS="en en_US" L10N="en en-US" Walter, I have both of those in my make.confs on all gentoo systems. I'm not saying that's the best, but yes I have similar: LINGUAS="en_US" L10N="en-us" hth, James
Re: [gentoo-user] Quickest/easiest Gentoo install?
On Tue, 2020-07-07 at 18:18 -0400, james wrote: > So who do folks recommend for mail server services? If you want to pay someone to host mail for you, I can vouch for Mailfence. > Time to set up my own mail server (what I prefer to do). Or if you want to go this route, here's the Gentoo-centric answer: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Simple_mail_server_with_webmail
Re: [gentoo-user] Quickest/easiest Gentoo install?
On Tue, Jul 07, 2020 at 01:47:31PM -0400, james wrote > > Good news: I have dozens of potential solutions to what you seek. I will > post a few, that best (potentially) satisfy your solution-request. > Please let me know what your try and what is wrong with what I suggest. > (it helps me). > > > Bad news: I am currently very disorganized. Thay all seem to come with various software pre-installed that I don't need/want. I decided to try a quickie manual install, but ran into problems, which are a separate thread. Just one semi-related question here. Do I still need both LINGUAS and L10N in make.conf? On my desktop I currently have... LINGUAS="en en_US" L10N="en en-US" -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
Re: [gentoo-user] Quickest/easiest Gentoo install?
On 7/7/20 6:18 PM, james wrote: OK, sorry for hijacking my own (walter's) post, but this Verizon dying mail server, causes lots of bloated messages and misdirection. I just now figured out that's the bouncing messages source/problem. If those (VERIZON) idiots would just send out a message to move the users to another mail service/system, this could have been avoided a long time ago. Oh well SO, I found and old guide of how to set up postfix on Rasp pi systems. It's vintage 2014 but it a place to start. What breaks or does not work, I'll have to fix, or follow the suggestions posted to this list. https://samhobbs.co.uk/2013/12/raspberry-pi-email-server-part-1-postfix So tonight I'll try to order one or 2. Anyone interested, or already has R. Pi: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi_3_64_bit_Install#History Any newer guide links are most welcome, especially Rpi-4. Surely there are more folks on this list than I that want a sub- $100 mail server that is low power, and thus can be left up 7x24, with a single IP address and DNS services or (2) more R.Pi. Running DNS primary services. (links to guides for DNS primaries on gentoo-R.pi. are most welcome. How doe this guide look for dns services on a RPi? https://www.ionos.com/digitalguide/server/configuration: /how-to-make-your-raspberry-pi-into-a-dns-server/ and this general reference https://github.com/sakaki-/gentoo-on-rpi-64bit On 7/7/20 3:33 PM, james wrote: Sorry for my email problems. I finally found out why things bounce/fail so often. From: Verizon Email Retirement https://www.verizon.com/support/residential/email And Frontier, current bandwidth supplier, as a spin-off from Verizon, is getting out of the email server services too. I'm not going down the Yahoo mail calamity pathway, so what choices do I have. So who do folks recommend for mail server services? Time to set up my own mail server (what I prefer to do). /usr/portage/mail-mta��� lists: sendmail (15 years since I rode/mastered that beast, but� well known. postfix (probable the best choice? Default simple/secure setups for either of these? I can get static IPs and have machines for a pair of primary dns (rasp pe 4?) servers and a mail server. Rasp pi 4 cluster of 2, 3, 4 ? Any other (temp) solutions for the mail server? I have been using thunderbird, but it seems like a good time to implement something newer/more-secure for the easiest install?
Re: [gentoo-user] Quickest/easiest Gentoo install?
On 7/7/20 3:33 PM, james wrote: On 7/6/20 6:10 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: �� I'd like to install Gentoo on an older Lenovo laptop with 3 gigs ram and 75 gigs disk.� Is there a "robo-installer script" for this? I want 1 partition (/dev/sda via lilo ) as ext3 and openrc.� I'll settle for a textconsole-only install if necessay, and tweak the kernel and build X as necessary. More links: https://gentoostudio.org/ http://redcorelinux.org/ and yes, PENTOO: pen testing and so much more; probably the coolest gentoo distro of them all! https://www.pentoo.ch/isos/ Need more? Please provide details: 32/64 bit arm/amd/intel processor? a particular (vintage) year? a list of what you want/need for the /var/lib/portage/world file (as I keep/archive) many versions of many packages I use. ? James Sorry for my email problems. I finally found out why things bounce/fail so often. From: Verizon Email Retirement https://www.verizon.com/support/residential/email And Frontier, current bandwidth supplier, as a spin-off from Verizon, is getting out of the email server services too. I'm not going down the Yahoo mail calamity pathway, so what choices do I have. So who do folks recommend for mail server services? Time to set up my own mail server (what I prefer to do). /usr/portage/mail-mta lists: sendmail (15 years since I rode/mastered that beast, but well known. postfix (probable the best choice? Default simple/secure setups for either of these? I can get static IPs and have machines for a pair of primary dns (rasp pe 4?) servers and a mail server. Rasp pi 4 cluster of 2, 3, 4 ? Any other (temp) solutions for the mail server? I have been using thunderbird, but it seems like a good time to implement something newer/more-secure for the easiest install?
Re: [gentoo-user] Quickest/easiest Gentoo install?
On 7/6/20 6:10 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: I'd like to install Gentoo on an older Lenovo laptop with 3 gigs ram and 75 gigs disk. Is there a "robo-installer script" for this? I want 1 partition (/dev/sda via lilo ) as ext3 and openrc. I'll settle for a textconsole-only install if necessay, and tweak the kernel and build X as necessary. More links: https://gentoostudio.org/ http://redcorelinux.org/ and yes, PENTOO: pen testing and so much more; probably the coolest gentoo distro of them all! https://www.pentoo.ch/isos/ Need more? Please provide details: 32/64 bit arm/amd/intel processor? a particular (vintage) year? a list of what you want/need for the /var/lib/portage/world file (as I keep/archive) many versions of many packages I use. ? James
Re: [gentoo-user] Quickest/easiest Gentoo install?
On 7/6/20 6:10 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: I'd like to install Gentoo on an older Lenovo laptop with 3 gigs ram and 75 gigs disk. Is there a "robo-installer script" for this? I want 1 partition (/dev/sda via lilo ) as ext3 and openrc. I'll settle for a textconsole-only install if necessay, and tweak the kernel and build X as necessary. OH, is it 32 bit or 64 bit ? if exclusively 32 bit, look at this page: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:AMD64/32-bit_Chroot_Guide#Installation_of_a_32-bit_chroot James
Re: [gentoo-user] Quickest/easiest Gentoo install?
On 7/6/20 6:02 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: I'd like to install Gentoo on an older Lenovo laptop with 3 gigs ram and 75 gigs disk. Is there a "robo-installer script" for this? I want 1 partition (/dev/sda via lilo ) as ext3 and openrc. I'll settle for a textconsole-only install if necessay, and tweak the kernel and build X as necessary. Good news: I have dozens of potential solutions to what you seek. I will post a few, that best (potentially) satisfy your solution-request. Please let me know what your try and what is wrong with what I suggest. (it helps me). Bad news: I am currently very disorganized. 1. (Best; imho) https://wiki.cloveros.ga/CloverOS_GNU/Linux 2. (BEST; a tie) http://exgent.exton.net/ Both are new, gentoo centric and should work on a wide variety of newer and older hardware. Do provide more detail (processor, Mobo, major sytems) on your current target(s). With your deeper feedback, I have pointers to many other resources for (semi) automated gentoo installs. hth, James
Re: [gentoo-user] Quickest/easiest Gentoo install?
On Mon, Jul 6, 2020, at 5:02 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > I'd like to install Gentoo on an older Lenovo laptop with 3 gigs ram > and 75 gigs disk. Is there a "robo-installer script" for this? I want > 1 partition (/dev/sda via lilo ) as ext3 and openrc. I'll settle for a > textconsole-only install if necessay, and tweak the kernel and build X > as necessary. > > -- > Walter Dnes > I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications > There's a couple projects but I've not heard of them in a long time, so they are likely defunct. I was trying to automate it myself but the installation is so simple I keep putting it off.
Re: [gentoo-user] Quickest/easiest Gentoo install?
On an old laptop I tried all the various quick graphical options of installing a Gentoo derivative distro, with the idea that it would then be simple to gentooize it. I tried various distros derived from Gentoo, even quite obscure ones. This didn't work so well. I ended up doing a manual install following the Gentoo handbook.
