Re: [gentoo-user] Scanning double sided documents and printing them the same.
On 10 December 2020 16:37:31 CET, Rich Freeman wrote: >On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 7:09 PM Dale wrote: >> >> How do I print them the >> same way tho? > >I didn't see much discussion on the printing side of this - how to >print two-sided on a one-sided printer. > >Step 1 (optional): I created a CUPS queue for such jobs that just >outputs everything into PDF in a directory. This lets you easily >print stuff that isn't already PDF from various computers/OSes and >accumulate a bunch as printing this way is easier in bulk since it >involves a bit of manual manipulation. > >Step 2 (optional): I have a script that takes each PDF and adds a >blank page if needed to result in an even number of pages, then >concatenates all the PDFs into a single file. I probably stole this >from somewhere: > >#!/bin/bash >for file in *.pdf >do > #get the number of pages > numberofpages=`pdftk "$file" dump_data | sed -e >'/NumberOfPages/!d;s/NumberOfPages: //'` > echo -n "$file" 'has' $numberofpages 'pages, ' > > uneven=$(($numberofpages % 2)) > if [ $uneven == 1 ] > then >echo 'which is uneven - added 1 more' >tempfile=`mktemp` >pdftk A="$file" B=/usr/local/share/blank.pdf cat A B1 output >"$tempfile" >mv $tempfile $file > else >echo 'which is even' > fi >done > >pdftk *.pdf cat output out.pdf > >Step 3: To print a single PDF double-sided follow this guide: >http://duramecho.com/ComputerInformation/HowToDoTwoSidedPrinting/index.html > >So the idea is that I accumulate a bunch of documents to print this >way, combine them such that they can be printed all at once, and then >do the page flip technique in that guide. No need to worry about >individual pages as long as you ID which type of printer you have and >follow the appropriate process. However, to print multiple documents >at once this way they all have to have an even number of pages, which >is why I have the script. Concatenating the files with blank pages >added means that you can just print the whole thing once, flip, then >print it again, and it all works. I used to do that manually. Printing from PDF is supported by my printer directly from USB stick, so never did have to play around with scripts like that. They may come in handy in future though. -- Joost -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [gentoo-user] Scanning double sided documents and printing them the same.
On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 7:09 PM Dale wrote: > > How do I print them the > same way tho? I didn't see much discussion on the printing side of this - how to print two-sided on a one-sided printer. Step 1 (optional): I created a CUPS queue for such jobs that just outputs everything into PDF in a directory. This lets you easily print stuff that isn't already PDF from various computers/OSes and accumulate a bunch as printing this way is easier in bulk since it involves a bit of manual manipulation. Step 2 (optional): I have a script that takes each PDF and adds a blank page if needed to result in an even number of pages, then concatenates all the PDFs into a single file. I probably stole this from somewhere: #!/bin/bash for file in *.pdf do #get the number of pages numberofpages=`pdftk "$file" dump_data | sed -e '/NumberOfPages/!d;s/NumberOfPages: //'` echo -n "$file" 'has' $numberofpages 'pages, ' uneven=$(($numberofpages % 2)) if [ $uneven == 1 ] then echo 'which is uneven - added 1 more' tempfile=`mktemp` pdftk A="$file" B=/usr/local/share/blank.pdf cat A B1 output "$tempfile" mv $tempfile $file else echo 'which is even' fi done pdftk *.pdf cat output out.pdf Step 3: To print a single PDF double-sided follow this guide: http://duramecho.com/ComputerInformation/HowToDoTwoSidedPrinting/index.html So the idea is that I accumulate a bunch of documents to print this way, combine them such that they can be printed all at once, and then do the page flip technique in that guide. No need to worry about individual pages as long as you ID which type of printer you have and follow the appropriate process. However, to print multiple documents at once this way they all have to have an even number of pages, which is why I have the script. Concatenating the files with blank pages added means that you can just print the whole thing once, flip, then print it again, and it all works. -- Rich
Re: [gentoo-user] Scanning double sided documents and printing them the same.
Please do not include me in list-replies. I am subscribed. On Thursday, December 10, 2020 11:49:06 AM CET Dr Rainer Woitok wrote: > Joost, > > On Thursday, 2020-12-10 10:28:05 +0100, you wrote: > > ... > > My old printer/scanner can scan directly to PDF using the sheetfeeder. > > For double-sided, I always ended up with 1 PDF with odd-pages and 1 with > > even. > > > > There used to be tools available (python-old) that could shuffle these > > together and merge them into a single PDF, which would allow for easy > > reading/ printing. > >$ pdftk odd.pdf even.pdf shuffle output all.pdf > > Command "pdftk" comes with package "app-text/pdftk". > > Sincerely, > Rainer That's a java-port of the original pdftk. I actually solved the issue by getting a double-sided ADF scanner. -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] Scanning double sided documents and printing them the same.
Joost, On Thursday, 2020-12-10 10:28:05 +0100, you wrote: > ... > My old printer/scanner can scan directly to PDF using the sheetfeeder. > For double-sided, I always ended up with 1 PDF with odd-pages and 1 with even. > > There used to be tools available (python-old) that could shuffle these > together and merge them into a single PDF, which would allow for easy reading/ > printing. $ pdftk odd.pdf even.pdf shuffle output all.pdf Command "pdftk" comes with package "app-text/pdftk". Sincerely, Rainer
Re: [gentoo-user] Scanning double sided documents and printing them the same.
On Thursday, December 10, 2020 1:09:29 AM CET Dale wrote: > Howdy, > > I have a flatbed scanner. It's a old HP 4570. I been using Skanlite to > scan pictures etc and it does a great job. On occasion tho I have a > double sided document. I know how to scan them, scan one side, flip > over and scan the back. That's easy enough. How do I print them the > same way tho? Sometimes I use it like a copying machine basically. > Scan in, then print. I'm not quite sure how to print the double sided > stuff in one go tho. > > If someone does the same as me, can you share how you print them two > sided? My printer is duplex so I just need to import both sides and > tell it to print. I'm just not sure what software does that and makes > it easy. > > Thoughts?? > > Dale > > :_) :-) My old printer/scanner can scan directly to PDF using the sheetfeeder. For double-sided, I always ended up with 1 PDF with odd-pages and 1 with even. There used to be tools available (python-old) that could shuffle these together and merge them into a single PDF, which would allow for easy reading/ printing. Currently, I would have to manually convert these to single-pages and then merge them, again, manually. This is the downside of single-sided sheetfeeders. If you do the scans manually (eg. no sheetfeeders) you should be able to get them all in the correct order in a PDF. The PDF can then be printed double- sided and you get them the same way. (Just scan them "dummy-mode" and add white-pages when the back of the sheet is white) -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] Scanning double sided documents and printing them the same.
On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 09:20:22 +, Michael wrote: > > Gscan2pdf has lots of nice features, I used to use it with an ADF and > > it would scan all the sheets, then I'd turn the stack over and feed > > it back in and it would scan the other sides and then put all the > > pages in the correct order. > > > > I have a duplex scanner now, but that was a real time saver. > > Alternatively, on the CLI you could use imagemagick to convert your > png, tiff, jpg, etc., to pdf: > > convert scan1.png scan1.pdf > convert scan2.png scan2.pdf > > Then join the two pdf documents into one with two pages, using > poppler's pdfunite: > > pdfunite scan1.pdf scan2.pdf scanned.pdf > > Then print them. > > A simple script could batch up the conversion for you, e.g.: > > for file in $(ls -t *.png | head -8); do >convert $file $file.pdf > done > > The above will convert 8 png files to pdf, which you can then pdfunite > into a single multipage pdf document before you print it. That's pretty much what I used to do. The nice thing about gscan2pdf's way of doing it is that it copes with the second sides being scanned in reverse order if you use an ADF. You could script that, but when someone has already done it, laziness... I mean efficiency, wins. -- Neil Bothwick Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about. pgpO9dT_PJw1X.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Scanning double sided documents and printing them the same.
On Thursday, 10 December 2020 08:27:33 GMT Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 18:09:29 -0600, Dale wrote: > > I have a flatbed scanner. It's a old HP 4570. I been using Skanlite to > > scan pictures etc and it does a great job. On occasion tho I have a > > double sided document. I know how to scan them, scan one side, flip > > over and scan the back. That's easy enough. How do I print them the > > same way tho? Sometimes I use it like a copying machine basically. > > Scan in, then print. I'm not quite sure how to print the double sided > > stuff in one go tho. > > > > If someone does the same as me, can you share how you print them two > > sided? My printer is duplex so I just need to import both sides and > > tell it to print. I'm just not sure what software does that and makes > > it easy. > > I use gscan2pdf, although it sans to many more file formats. Scan to 2 > page PDF and your printer can print in duplex. > > Gscan2pdf has lots of nice features, I used to use it with an ADF and it > would scan all the sheets, then I'd turn the stack over and feed it back > in and it would scan the other sides and then put all the pages in the > correct order. > > I have a duplex scanner now, but that was a real time saver. Alternatively, on the CLI you could use imagemagick to convert your png, tiff, jpg, etc., to pdf: convert scan1.png scan1.pdf convert scan2.png scan2.pdf Then join the two pdf documents into one with two pages, using poppler's pdfunite: pdfunite scan1.pdf scan2.pdf scanned.pdf Then print them. A simple script could batch up the conversion for you, e.g.: for file in $(ls -t *.png | head -8); do convert $file $file.pdf done The above will convert 8 png files to pdf, which you can then pdfunite into a single multipage pdf document before you print it. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Scanning double sided documents and printing them the same.
On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 18:09:29 -0600, Dale wrote: > I have a flatbed scanner. It's a old HP 4570. I been using Skanlite to > scan pictures etc and it does a great job. On occasion tho I have a > double sided document. I know how to scan them, scan one side, flip > over and scan the back. That's easy enough. How do I print them the > same way tho? Sometimes I use it like a copying machine basically. > Scan in, then print. I'm not quite sure how to print the double sided > stuff in one go tho. > > If someone does the same as me, can you share how you print them two > sided? My printer is duplex so I just need to import both sides and > tell it to print. I'm just not sure what software does that and makes > it easy. I use gscan2pdf, although it sans to many more file formats. Scan to 2 page PDF and your printer can print in duplex. Gscan2pdf has lots of nice features, I used to use it with an ADF and it would scan all the sheets, then I'd turn the stack over and feed it back in and it would scan the other sides and then put all the pages in the correct order. I have a duplex scanner now, but that was a real time saver. -- Neil Bothwick Evolution stops when stupidity is no longer fatal! pgpZscMjPlg21.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Scanning double sided documents and printing them the same.
the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > On 12/09/2020 05:46 PM, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: >> On 12/09/2020 05:09 PM, Dale wrote: >>> Howdy, >>> >>> I have a flatbed scanner. It's a old HP 4570. I been using Skanlite to >>> scan pictures etc and it does a great job. On occasion tho I have a >>> double sided document. I know how to scan them, scan one side, flip >>> over and scan the back. That's easy enough. How do I print them the >>> same way tho? Sometimes I use it like a copying machine basically. >>> Scan in, then print. I'm not quite sure how to print the double sided >>> stuff in one go tho. >>> >>> If someone does the same as me, can you share how you print them two >>> sided? My printer is duplex so I just need to import both sides and >>> tell it to print. I'm just not sure what software does that and makes >>> it easy. >>> >>> Thoughts?? >>> >>> Dale >>> >>> :_) :-) >>> >> Do you use XSane to scan it? You setup the printer in Setup menu under >> "Copy" and scan in duplex mode. If you printer is setup by default to >> print duplex it will print it correctly, in duplex. If not you will get >> two pages, it prints directly to a printer (the print windows doesn't >> pop-up). >> >> I suggest to scan it first to a document and print it in duplex. > Correction. You have mentioned it is a flatbed scanner so you can not > scan in duplex mode. Just create "multipage document" scan both sides, > save it and you should be able to print it in duplex mode. I mostly use > PDF format for documents. > > > Since I was wanting to get a copy made somewhat quick, I used Libreoffice, LOo, to do it a bit ago. Thing is, it takes a bit to get it to size correctly. It wants to shrink it and it is stubborn about doing it that way. I just don't know of a easier way so I asked. I figure there is a tool for this. I have XSane installed but only used it a couple times. Skanlite was so much quicker and easier to use that I stuck with it. I tried XSane and I see a option for multi-page documents. I may play with that and see how it does. Another reason I'd like to be able to do this, pictures with names etc on the back. It would be nice to get both the front and back of those. Just need a easy tool to do it with. Maybe I can get XSane to do this too. Still open to ideas. Thanks for the info tho. ;-D Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Scanning double sided documents and printing them the same.
On 12/09/2020 05:46 PM, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > On 12/09/2020 05:09 PM, Dale wrote: >> Howdy, >> >> I have a flatbed scanner. It's a old HP 4570. I been using Skanlite to >> scan pictures etc and it does a great job. On occasion tho I have a >> double sided document. I know how to scan them, scan one side, flip >> over and scan the back. That's easy enough. How do I print them the >> same way tho? Sometimes I use it like a copying machine basically. >> Scan in, then print. I'm not quite sure how to print the double sided >> stuff in one go tho. >> >> If someone does the same as me, can you share how you print them two >> sided? My printer is duplex so I just need to import both sides and >> tell it to print. I'm just not sure what software does that and makes >> it easy. >> >> Thoughts?? >> >> Dale >> >> :_) :-) >> > > Do you use XSane to scan it? You setup the printer in Setup menu under > "Copy" and scan in duplex mode. If you printer is setup by default to > print duplex it will print it correctly, in duplex. If not you will get > two pages, it prints directly to a printer (the print windows doesn't > pop-up). > > I suggest to scan it first to a document and print it in duplex. Correction. You have mentioned it is a flatbed scanner so you can not scan in duplex mode. Just create "multipage document" scan both sides, save it and you should be able to print it in duplex mode. I mostly use PDF format for documents.
Re: [gentoo-user] Scanning double sided documents and printing them the same.
On 12/09/2020 05:09 PM, Dale wrote: > Howdy, > > I have a flatbed scanner. It's a old HP 4570. I been using Skanlite to > scan pictures etc and it does a great job. On occasion tho I have a > double sided document. I know how to scan them, scan one side, flip > over and scan the back. That's easy enough. How do I print them the > same way tho? Sometimes I use it like a copying machine basically. > Scan in, then print. I'm not quite sure how to print the double sided > stuff in one go tho. > > If someone does the same as me, can you share how you print them two > sided? My printer is duplex so I just need to import both sides and > tell it to print. I'm just not sure what software does that and makes > it easy. > > Thoughts?? > > Dale > > :_) :-) > Do you use XSane to scan it? You setup the printer in Setup menu under "Copy" and scan in duplex mode. If you printer is setup by default to print duplex it will print it correctly, in duplex. If not you will get two pages, it prints directly to a printer (the print windows doesn't pop-up). I suggest to scan it first to a document and print it in duplex.
