Re: [gentoo-user] Uninstalling KDE packages
On Mon, 2007-01-29 at 22:46 +0200, Vlad Dogaru wrote: I would like to know if unmerging KWallet (also the eduitainment suite and possibly even Kopette and Konqueror) is safe. When you install kde or kde-meta it pulls the whole K Desktop Environment, including the IM program (kopete) and Kwallet and all that as dependencies (some will be left out depending on your useflags of course). If you unmerge kopete for example, the next merge of kde will pull it back in cause it is a dependency. Konqueror is needed by most KDE programs, it's a really integral part of kde, so unmerging it will break stuff. How can I tell for other packages? Is emerge --unmerge enough or do other measures have to be taken? Also, in the case of a fresh install, how can I choose what KDE installs? Do I have to run emerge kde, or would kdelibs, kdebase, etc (along with their dependencies of course) suffice? You either have to live with installed applications you don't wanna use or you have to get rid of kde and just select the k-applications you actually want (they'll install what they need). Another way might be to build your own kde-light package that depends on fewer stuff. Jürgen -- ICQ #81510866 - http://the-gay-bar.com - MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] Uninstalling KDE packages
On Mon, 2007-01-29 at 22:46 +0200, Vlad Dogaru wrote: Hello, after some suggestions from the list I finally emerged KDE to give it another try. Even with 256 MiB of RAM, it works quite acceptably, save for the startup time. However, I notice it has installed all sorts of marginally useful and ultimately resource consuming software such as KWallet. Now, I realise the risks of keeping passwords scattered all around (sometimes even unencrypted), but in my environment it's not that great a priority. I would like to know if unmerging KWallet (also the eduitainment suite and possibly even Kopette and Konqueror) is safe. How can I tell for other packages? Is emerge --unmerge enough or do other measures have to be taken? Also, in the case of a fresh install, how can I choose what KDE installs? Do I have to run emerge kde, or would kdelibs, kdebase, etc (along with their dependencies of course) suffice? Here's my opinion about the whole thing (note that I don't use KDE so this is an opinion in general). If you don't like something, don't use it. If you don't like the edutainment stuff, don't run any of those programs and you don't be using any resources. If you don't want to use KWallet then don't run it. If it's running in the background or something then that means that something that you *are* using depends on KWallet and that's probably something you don't want to unmerge. Yeah, you could go around experimenting with unmerging packages, but you will likely find that a) these packages will get re-merged on the next install/update, b) you will break some program that depends on that package which the end result is c) you will waste way too much time/energy debugging a. b. You can also manipulate USE flags to disable various (optional) features of packages. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Uninstalling KDE packages
On Monday 29 January 2007 22:46:56 Vlad Dogaru wrote: I would like to know if unmerging KWallet (also the eduitainment suite and possibly even Kopette and Konqueror) is safe. How can I tell for other packages? Is emerge --unmerge enough or do other measures have to be taken? If you have installed monolithic KDE than you can't unmerge only KWallet. You would have to unmerge kdeutils which also contains programs you might need. If you're using the KDE split ebuilds you can use 'equery d package-name' (app-portage/gentoolkit) to see what installed packages depend on package-name. For example, Konqueror is needed by Kdesktop and Amarok among other things, so you probably don't want to unmerge it if you need either of them. Simply unmerging a package that is needed by some other package is not sufficient as it would be pulled back in when you next run 'emerge -D world'. KWallet only depends on kdeutils-meta. If you want to get rid of it unmerge kdeutils-meta and add the packages pulled in by kdeutils-meta to the world file (/var/lib/portage/world). You can find the names of these packages in the kdeutils-meta ebuild: RDEPEND= $(deprange $PV $MAXKDEVER kde-base/ark) $(deprange $PV $MAXKDEVER kde-base/kcalc) $(deprange $PV $MAXKDEVER kde-base/kcharselect) lirc? ( $(deprange $PV $MAXKDEVER kde-base/kdelirc) ) [...] So you would add lines such as these: kde-base/ark kde-base/kcalc ... in the world file for each package you need and unmerge the ones you don't need. Be carefull with those useflag conditioned dependencies as in the case of kde-base/kdelirc which only gets installed if lirc useflag is activated. Also, in the case of a fresh install, how can I choose what KDE installs? Do I have to run emerge kde, or would kdelibs, kdebase, etc (along with their dependencies of course) suffice? Take a look at http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/kde-config.xml#doc_chap2_sect3 . -- The world is a tragedy to those who feel, but a comedy to those who think.(Horace Walpole) * Dorin Scutarasu, www.info.UAIC.ro pgpcZbvvfv9ES.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Uninstalling KDE packages
On Monday 29 January 2007 21:46:56 Vlad Dogaru wrote: I would like to know if unmerging KWallet (also the eduitainment suite and possibly even Kopette and Konqueror) is safe. How can I tell for other packages? Is emerge --unmerge enough or do other measures have to be taken? What's the output of: # grep kde /var/lib/portage/world ? -- Bo Andresen pgpSyIOsN4XrL.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Uninstalling KDE packages
On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:46:56 +0300, Vlad Dogaru [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, after some suggestions from the list I finally emerged KDE to give it another try. Even with 256 MiB of RAM, it works quite acceptably, save for the startup time. However, I notice it has installed all sorts of marginally useful and ultimately resource consuming software such as KWallet. Now, I realise the risks of keeping passwords scattered all around (sometimes even unencrypted), but in my environment it's not that great a priority. I would like to know if unmerging KWallet (also the eduitainment suite and possibly even Kopette and Konqueror) is safe. How can I tell for other packages? Is emerge --unmerge enough or do other measures have to be taken? Also, in the case of a fresh install, how can I choose what KDE installs? Do I have to run emerge kde, or would kdelibs, kdebase, etc (along with their dependencies of course) suffice? Thanks in advance and sorry if I am being ambiguous (it's late) Vlad It looks like the problem is that you used some package like kdebase-meta and it installed all of the KDE. If so, now you have only kdebase-meta in /var/lib/portage/world and next time you upgrade world portage will install what you unmerge manually. I did not test it, but the first thing that comes to mind is to edit the world manually: remove -meta packages and add packages that are actually installed. You can find them in /var/db/pkg/kde-base/ and /var/db/pkg/kde-misc. -- Andrei Gerasimenko -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Uninstalling KDE packages
On 1/30/07, Uwe Thiem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 29 January 2007 22:46, Vlad Dogaru wrote: after some suggestions from the list I finally emerged KDE to give it another try. Even with 256 MiB of RAM, it works quite acceptably, save for the startup time. Two things to improve startup: Prelink your whole system. prelink -avmRf should do. It will run for quite some time but applications will start faster afterwards. You have to repeat it after each major emerge session. Make sure that Preloader=/usr/kde/3.5/bin/preloadkde is set in /usr/kde/3.5/share/config/kdm/kdmrc However, I notice it has installed all sorts of marginally useful and ultimately resource consuming software such as KWallet. You can as well simply switch it of: Control Center-Security Privacy-KDE Wallet Now, I realise the risks of keeping passwords scattered all around (sometimes even unencrypted), but in my environment it's not that great a priority. I would like to know if unmerging KWallet (also the eduitainment suite and possibly even Kopette and Konqueror) is safe. How can I tell for other packages? Is emerge --unmerge enough or do other measures have to be taken? Also, in the case of a fresh install, how can I choose what KDE installs? Do I have to run emerge kde, or would kdelibs, kdebase, etc (along with their dependencies of course) suffice? You need to emerge kdelibs and kdebase. Afterwards you can emerge single applications. Hi everyone, I did a monolithic KDE install and that is why uninstalling individual components is not easy. However, the install has served its purpose -- I only wanted to see common pitfalls in installing KDE, for when I do a complete system reinstall (possibly even changing hardware). Next time I will do a split ebuild install and carefully select what I need. Thanks for the tips, Vlad -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
