Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrading to gcc 4.1 , question on recompiling
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:06:13 -0400, Philip Webb wrote: Running testing, most packages wb recompiled within a month anyway. I have a lot of testing packages, which run without problems. That's different to running a completely testing system, the vast majority of your packages are still stable and thus, by definition, won't change very often. A lot of outstanding bugs seem to affect only a few special users. Yet again, Gentoo should make a 4th category by making stable = server splitting testing into newly unmasked desktop-ready: many testing packages today are in fact desktop-ready, ie the remaining bugs will be rare easy to recover from. Remember that the distinction is not about bugs in the software but in the ebuilds. I think the current system is fine with a choice of a low maintenance system where working packages change rarely and one where you have access to closer to the bleeding edge. If you want true bleeding edge, you can always add packages to /etc/portage/package.mask. The control /etc/portage gives you makes multiple levels of ARCH unnecessary. You have already created your own set of desktop-ready packages by customising package.keywords. Someone else may have different requirements, let each user choose for themself. I wanted to see if the 'kdehiddenvisibility' flag made any difference What was your experience ? Do you recommend others (me) to use it ? I can't say I noticed a difference, but it mainly affects KDE startup time and that's something I rarely do, and don't hang around to watch. -- Neil Bothwick No program done by a hacker will work unless he is on the system. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrading to gcc 4.1 , question on recompiling
Leonardo wrote: From what I've understand, different versions of gcc and glibc can coexist in the same gentoo system, and all other installed programs should have no problem if I choose the new gcc with gcc-config. Am I right? Not quite. The problem is, that the gcc package not only delivers the gcc compiler package, but also some libraries. Further, gcc 4.1.x compiled programs are not quite compatible with gcc 3.x compiled programs - that's a problem, when you compile a library with 4.x and still have 3.x compiled programs around. Because I don'want to recompile the whole system with a different gcc version You really should recompile everything when you update to gcc 4.1.x from 3.x. See the GCC upgrade doc at http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gcc-upgrading.xml Alexander Skwar -- rm_-rf_ The real value of KDE is that they inspired and push the development of GNOME :-) -- #Debian -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrading to gcc 4.1 , question on recompiling
060719 Alexander Skwar wrote: Leonardo wrote: different versions of gcc and glibc can coexist in the same system and all other installed programs should have no problem if I choose the new gcc with gcc-config. The problem is the gcc package not only delivers the gcc compiler package, but also some libraries. Further, gcc 4.1.x compiled programs are not quite compatible with gcc 3.x compiled programs - when you compile a lib with 4.x and still have 3.x compiled pgms around. You really should recompile everything when you update to gcc 4.1.x from 3.x. I upgraded to 4.1.1 a couple of weeks ago haven't done a mass recompile I have yet to run into any problem: yes, there's always tomorrow (grin). -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrading to gcc 4.1 , question on recompiling
Philip Webb wrote: 060719 Alexander Skwar wrote: Leonardo wrote: different versions of gcc and glibc can coexist in the same system and all other installed programs should have no problem if I choose the new gcc with gcc-config. The problem is the gcc package not only delivers the gcc compiler package, but also some libraries. Further, gcc 4.1.x compiled programs are not quite compatible with gcc 3.x compiled programs - when you compile a lib with 4.x and still have 3.x compiled pgms around. You really should recompile everything when you update to gcc 4.1.x from 3.x. I upgraded to 4.1.1 a couple of weeks ago haven't done a mass recompile I have yet to run into any problem: yes, there's always tomorrow (grin). I upgraded to 4.1.1 and ran into massive problems. People might remember a short thread on this list... Because of the problems I had, I would *NEVER* encourage people to *NOT* recompile everything. Alexander Skwar -- rm_-rf_ The real value of KDE is that they inspired and push the development of GNOME :-) -- #Debian -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrading to gcc 4.1 , question on recompiling
Because of the problems I had, I would *NEVER* encourage people to *NOT* recompile everything. Sorry, but double negatives only confuse me. :-) So you are advocating that everyone recompile everything. Regards, Richard Broersma Jr. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrading to gcc 4.1 , question on recompiling
Richard Broersma Jr wrote: Because of the problems I had, I would *NEVER* encourage people to *NOT* recompile everything. Sorry, but double negatives only confuse me. :-) Me too - sorry about that. So you are advocating that everyone recompile everything. Yes, exactly. It *MIGHT* not be required, but I wouldn't bet a 0,01€ on it. Also, I'd quite understand that bugs would be rejected, if it were so, that the user would've upgraded to 4.1.x without recompiling everything. There *ARE* known problems and the documentation states, that everything should be recompiled. Alexander Skwar -- rm_-rf_ The real value of KDE is that they inspired and push the development of GNOME :-) -- #Debian -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrading to gcc 4.1 , question on recompiling
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:34:08 +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote: I upgraded to 4.1.1 a couple of weeks ago haven't done a mass recompile I have yet to run into any problem: yes, there's always tomorrow (grin). I upgraded to 4.1.1 and ran into massive problems. People might remember a short thread on this list... Oh yes! I recompiled glibc, to be on the safe side, and KDE because it did have problems (and I wanted to see if the kdehiddenvisibility flag made any difference) but nothing else caused a problem. Running a testing system, most packages would be recompiled within a month anyway. Because of the problems I had, I would *NEVER* encourage people to *NOT* recompile everything. I prefer to let them make up their own minds about this. I'm not saying people shouldn't recompile everything, just that it may not be necessary. If you have problems, emerge -e world may be quicker than trying to track down the troublesome packages. Me, I prefer to find and solve problems than do the Gentoo equivalent of a reinstall. -- Neil Bothwick Doing it right is no excuse for not meeting the schedule. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrading to gcc 4.1 , question on recompiling
060719 Neil Bothwick wrote: 060719 Philip Webb wrote: I upgraded to 4.1.1 a couple of weeks ago haven't done a mass recompile I have yet to run into any problem I recompiled glibc, to be on the safe side and KDE because it did have problems, but nothing else caused a problem. Yes, that's my situation: I also upgraded to Glibc 2.4 KDE 3.5.3 ; IIRC the only additional problem was a tiny glitch with Krusader, which wasn't really related to GCC 4.1.1 . Running testing, most packages wb recompiled within a month anyway. I have a lot of testing packages, which run without problems. A lot of outstanding bugs seem to affect only a few special users. Yet again, Gentoo should make a 4th category by making stable = server splitting testing into newly unmasked desktop-ready: many testing packages today are in fact desktop-ready, ie the remaining bugs will be rare easy to recover from. I wanted to see if the 'kdehiddenvisibility' flag made any difference What was your experience ? Do you recommend others (me) to use it ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
