Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Menus, keybinding et al, first draft
On , 17 Feb 2002, Rebecca J. Walter wrote: As any looked into how all this will work with different window managers? What window managers grab what keys and can the window managers easily be configured to use alt if gimp isn't using it? It is important to check this since we will otherwise end up with lots of whiny users who can't figure out why thiings aren't happening like expected. I'd like to whine: I use ALT+mouse1 *inside* a window to quickly move it somewhere else on the desktop, therefore any ALT clicking is going to annoy me severly. Could someone post a summary of the differences between the current setup and the proposed new setup? Austin (Sorry to dig up old emails, but I've only just got back from a week's holiday without Internet access - joy!) ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Menus, keybinding et al, first draft
On Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:48:44 +, Austin Donnelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On , 17 Feb 2002, Rebecca J. Walter wrote: As any looked into how all this will work with different window managers? What window managers grab what keys and can the window managers easily be configured to use alt if gimp isn't using it? I'd like to whine: I use ALT+mouse1 *inside* a window to quickly move it somewhere else on the desktop, therefore any ALT clicking is going to annoy me severly. Well, then you should reconfigure your WM. ;-) Alt+mouse1 is already used by the current version of the Gimp to move a selection outline without moving its contents. I do not think that we should change that because this is a useful feature. If this feature is not so important for you, then you can of course let your WM grab the Alt+mouse1 combination in your own setup. In general, I think that single modifier+key or +mouse1 should be reserved for the applications (for all modifiers), so the Gimp should make use of these combinations if needed. The WMs should only use some combinations of two modifiers +key or +mouse. -Raphaël ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Menus, keybinding et al, first draft
As any looked into how all this will work with different window managers? What window managers grab what keys and can the window managers easily be configured to use alt if gimp isn't using it? It is important to check this since we will otherwise end up with lots of whiny users who can't figure out why thiings aren't happening like expected. Also we will need a howto on the web site about making the different window managers play nice with gimp. Also, are there other apps that use shortcuts like we do that might be using a different set of shift-alt-ctrl keys? Just thinking it would be good to be consistent with what other apps are doing so users don't have to change their window managers back and forth when switching apps. (Or.. horror of horrors.. be unable to use both at once because of this problem) ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Menus, keybinding et al, first draft
Hi, On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 12:19:46PM +0100, Rebecca J. Walter wrote: As any looked into how all this will work with different window managers? What window managers grab what keys and can the window managers easily be configured to use alt if gimp isn't using it? It is important to check this since we will otherwise end up with lots of whiny users who can't figure out why thiings aren't happening like expected. In my opinion it is impossible to make sure that we do not collide with window manager shortcuts. They are far too different and far too configurable. I think it boils down to: Tell the user that there might be interferences with the window manager and that keys in GIMP can be configured dynamically. Also we will need a howto on the web site about making the different window managers play nice with gimp. That would be useful though. What would also be useful is to make _all_ keybindings in GIMP configurable (like SHIFT, CTRL, ALT etc.). So I would be able to assign Meta1 to GIMP-ALT and Meta2 to WindowManager-ALT. Also, are there other apps that use shortcuts like we do that might be using a different set of shift-alt-ctrl keys? Just thinking it would be good to be consistent with what other apps are doing so users don't have to change their window managers back and forth when switching apps. As far as I know, there are no wide-spread shortcuts involving two modifier keys. It boils down to something like CTRL-Q: Quit, CTRL-W: Close window, CTRL-N: New - very basic stuff. CTRL-ALT and similar bindings are seldomly used by applications and often used by window managers. Bye, Tino. -- * LINUX - Where do you want to be tomorrow? * http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/linux/tag/ ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
