Re: [Gimp-developer] [enhancement] Improved layer-visibility icons
On Sun, 2012-05-27 at 10:12 -0700, Richard Gitschlag wrote: Very tempted to file this one on GNOME already, but going to check here first in case I missed something (e.g. is it configurable?) . When you hide a layer group in GIMP 2.8, all items inside it get a new eye-with-slash icon to indicate that they are visible individually but hidden as a group. This icon is . . . too visible. It needs to be something LESS visible than the normal eye icon. Attached is a mockup of what some alternate icons can look like. One uses a 50% opacity, and another uses a 50% dither. (Myself, I prefer the dither look.) Response? How exactly is that better? On my monitor, your 50% opacity version looks hardly different from full opacity, and the dithered version is not exactly obviously different when quickly looked at it. I don't see how going from something that is clearly distinguishable to something that is hardly different from a visible icon is any improvement of usability. Regaeds, --mitch ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] [enhancement] Improved layer-visibility icons
Nice idea. I think the slash across the eye serves a purpose: it conceptually differentiates that icon from the other eye icons, indicating that those layers are part of a group. At least for me, the eye-with-slash allows for faster recognition of that difference. I did some experimenting with your mock-up image. Below is an image of 50% opacity and 50% dither with a solid grey line. I found dithering the dash made the icon not look very much like an eye. (I didn't test out making it opaque.) I think I'm leaning more towards the 50% opacity with the line through it than the 50% dither with the line through it (simply because the icon is clearer), but both are pretty good. [image: Inline image 1] On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:12 AM, Richard Gitschlag strata_ran...@hotmail.com wrote: Very tempted to file this one on GNOME already, but going to check here first in case I missed something (e.g. is it configurable?) . When you hide a layer group in GIMP 2.8, all items inside it get a new eye-with-slash icon to indicate that they are visible individually but hidden as a group. This icon is . . . too visible. It needs to be something LESS visible than the normal eye icon. Attached is a mockup of what some alternate icons can look like. One uses a 50% opacity, and another uses a 50% dither. (Myself, I prefer the dither look.) Response? -- Stratadrake strata_ran...@hotmail.com Numbers may not lie, but neither do they tell the whole truth. ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list GIMP-layer-visibility-icons-#2.png___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] [enhancement] Improved layer-visibility icons
On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 5:05 AM, Michael Natterer wrote: On my monitor, your 50% opacity version looks hardly different from full opacity, and the dithered version is not exactly obviously different when quickly looked at it. I don't see how going from something that is clearly distinguishable to something that is hardly different from a visible icon is any improvement of usability. How the icon looks on different monitors is indeed a consideration and probably a good reason to have the line over the eye icon. (Though the eye can still be 50% dithered or opaque.) At least on my monitor, the 50% opacity or dithered look visually conveys that those layers are in the background. It feels good to me. An important part of this conversation is that people process visual information differently (we don't all see the same thing), so that may account for the difference in preference that crops up. On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 5:05 AM, Michael Natterer mi...@gimp.org wrote: On Sun, 2012-05-27 at 10:12 -0700, Richard Gitschlag wrote: Very tempted to file this one on GNOME already, but going to check here first in case I missed something (e.g. is it configurable?) . When you hide a layer group in GIMP 2.8, all items inside it get a new eye-with-slash icon to indicate that they are visible individually but hidden as a group. This icon is . . . too visible. It needs to be something LESS visible than the normal eye icon. Attached is a mockup of what some alternate icons can look like. One uses a 50% opacity, and another uses a 50% dither. (Myself, I prefer the dither look.) Response? How exactly is that better? On my monitor, your 50% opacity version looks hardly different from full opacity, and the dithered version is not exactly obviously different when quickly looked at it. I don't see how going from something that is clearly distinguishable to something that is hardly different from a visible icon is any improvement of usability. Regaeds, --mitch ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] [enhancement] Improved layer-visibility icons
Whoops, had a suspicion I was forgetting something on my previous message. Attached is another mockup illustrating some improved(?) eye icons. - Right column shows what the icon would look like with the slash trimmed 3px from each end. - Second row has the slash lightened by 50% (now grey instead of black), but the rest of the icon is unchanged. - Bottom row has the entire icon lightened by 50%. -- Stratadrake strata_ran...@hotmail.com Numbers may not lie, but neither do they tell the whole truth. attachment: GIMP-layer-visibility-icons-2.png___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] [enhancement] Improved layer-visibility icons
Why re-invent the wheel? Attached are Inkscape's. Very clear. -Rob A attachment: 2012-05-27_170115.jpg___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
