[Gimp-user] testing
I'm new to this list. I posted yesterday from web mail (I'm away from home) but didn't receive my own post back. Testing again. - Bill Kerr - This mail sent through SE Net Webmail http://webmail.senet.com.au ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] transparent GIF colour
I want to make one colour of an indexed image transparent. Can you do this in GIMP? longer explanation: I've taken a photo of a face with a digital camera and have indexed that image, as a GIF (to save space for a final animation). I want to make the resulting indexed background colour transparent, then distort the image in various ways, eg. using Bend, and then insert the various images into layers to make a GIF animation, with a transparent background. I can do all of this except for the transparent background part. I've seen other programs that automatically make the bottom left hand pixel of a GIF transparent but can't see how to do this simply with GIMP. Feel there should be a simpler way than having to select the face and paste it into a transparent background -- it would be very difficult to select the face accurately. - Bill Kerr - This mail sent through SE Net Webmail http://webmail.senet.com.au ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: transparent GIF colour
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to make one colour of an indexed image transparent. Can you do this in GIMP? select-by color, then cut (ctrl-x) or clear (ctrl-k) longer explanation: I've taken a photo of a face with a digital camera and have indexed that image, as a GIF (to save space for a final animation). I want to make the resulting indexed background colour transparent, then distort the image in various ways, eg. using Bend, and then insert the various images into layers to make a GIF animation, with a transparent background. I can do all of this except for the transparent background part. I've seen other programs that automatically make the bottom left hand pixel of a GIF transparent but can't see how to do this simply with GIMP. Feel there should be a simpler way than having to select the face and paste it into a transparent background -- it would be very difficult to select the face accurately. if your background is easy to select, selecting the face is as easy as selecting the background and inverted the selection, isn't it? - Bill Kerr regards, Olivier. ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] list reply
as an aside, i have read that photoshop has a function that allows you to go back and undo selected parts of images. i think that's neat, because sometimes, especially with layering you like some changes an additional layer makes but you lose other parts you liked (iyswim), hence with this tool you can just select the bits you would like retain by selecting that part and undoing the change just for that part. is there anything similar in the gimp ? if not is it possible to do ? In GIMP, you can do what you describe with a layer mask. Last I saw, that's how you did it in Photoshop, too. Here's a short run-down of the process: 1) Pick the layer you want to change. Duplicate it (this choice is in the layers, channels and paths dialog, both as a right-click menu on the layer and one of the buttosn on the bottom). 2) On the layer copy, make the change you want to make. 3) Right click the layer copy and choose Add Layer Mask. Pick Full Opacity. 4) In the layers menu, you'll see a white rectangle next to the copy layer. Click on it. You're now editing the layer mask. 5) Now you can edit the image with any of the paint tools. Black will undo whatever change you made on the layer copy. White will show the changes on the layer copy. Grey will show a combination of the two. 6) When the you're happy about the appearance of the change, right-click the layer copy and choose 'Merge Down'. i seem to be the only person on rederosity who uses gimp : and i am telling people it is free :))) (and good, of course) Good work. I'm spreading the word myself. ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Good books
First of all, I'm very please with the quality of the gimp. I'm new to image manipulation tools but am an old unix hack so it was more intuitive to me than most windoz-original programs. A few questions: The online man pages are not very helpful for doing searches on functionality. Is there a good book/web site anyone can recommend that covers gimp functionality at a medium technical level. For text: I've used the script-fu to bring ASCII text into an image but I was wondering if there was a way to bring rich text format in. How about bringing it in with different justifications? Thanks, Keith ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Good books
On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 17:45, Keith Athey wrote: The online man pages are not very helpful for doing searches on functionality. Is there a good book/web site anyone can recommend that covers gimp functionality at a medium technical level. Here's a few of my favorite websites about The GIMP: http://manual.gimp.org/ http://gimp-savvy.com/BOOK/ http://gug.sunsite.dk/?page=tutorials Tigert lists some good books about GIMP on his website. You can also find some very nice tutorials there: http://tigert.gimp.org/gimp/ Sincerely, ./Brix -- Henrik Brix Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] The gap between theory and practice is wider in practice than in theory -- Unknown ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Clearing Document Index Dialog
In the document index dialog. How to clear the file list, without selecting the list and than clicking the trash icon? I have so many list in the document index dialog. removing manualy one by one, is gonna make my right hand numb. :p -- Zeus ;] http://zeus.coolfreepage.com|| personal webs http://www.bajingloncat.com || Bajing loncat webs ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Good books
On Wednesday 08 January 2003 17:49, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 17:45, Keith Athey wrote: The online man pages are not very helpful for doing searches on functionality. Is there a good book/web site anyone can recommend that covers gimp functionality at a medium technical level. Here's a few of my favorite websites about The GIMP: http://manual.gimp.org/ http://gimp-savvy.com/BOOK/ http://gug.sunsite.dk/?page=tutorials Tigert lists some good books about GIMP on his website. You can also find some very nice tutorials there: http://tigert.gimp.org/gimp/ Sincerely, ./Brix I printed out the Gimp Manual, all 900 plus pages of it. I also use _Grokking the Gimp_, available both as a book and online. Unfortunately neither book can keep up with the product as it changes and evolves. But both are excellent. -- John Culleton Able Indexers and Typesetters Rowse Reviews Culleton Editorial Services http://wexfordpress.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Gimp-film (or film-Gimp)
Yesterday I read an article about how Linux is the OS of choice for film animation these days in the big studios. Someone has developed a Gimp variant called by one of the names above (sorry, leaky memory) which is the actual tool used. It is Gimp modified to emphasize animation. I wonder if there is any conversation back and forth betweeen the folks that update Gimp and this Hollywood group? -- John Culleton Able Indexers and Typesetters Rowse Reviews Culleton Editorial Services http://wexfordpress.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp-film (or film-Gimp)
On Wednesday 08 January 2003 18:16, you wrote: John Culleton wrote: Yesterday I read an article about how Linux is the OS of choice for film animation these days in the big studios. Someone has developed a Gimp variant called by one of the names above (sorry, leaky memory) which is the actual tool used. It is Gimp modified to emphasize animation. I wonder if there is any conversation back and forth betweeen the folks that update Gimp and this Hollywood group? Hi! Is this article available online anywhere? I would LOVE to read it! :) Peace Tom Yes but I can't remember just where. It was in some linux online newsletter and the title referred to Linux in the Animation Industry. Should have made a note of it I know. The basic content can be found at the site http://film.gimp.org - John Culleton Able Indexers and Typesetters Rowse Reviews Culleton Editorial Services http://wexfordpress.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp-film (or film-Gimp)
Check out http://www.linuxjournal.com/index.php they have had a couple of good articles about Film Gimp also the project is hosted at http://sourceforge.net do a search there and you should find it. Will - Original Message - From: John Culleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Gimp-user [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 6:29 AM Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp-film (or film-Gimp) On Wednesday 08 January 2003 18:16, you wrote: John Culleton wrote: Yesterday I read an article about how Linux is the OS of choice for film animation these days in the big studios. Someone has developed a Gimp variant called by one of the names above (sorry, leaky memory) which is the actual tool used. It is Gimp modified to emphasize animation. I wonder if there is any conversation back and forth betweeen the folks that update Gimp and this Hollywood group? Hi! Is this article available online anywhere? I would LOVE to read it! :) Peace Tom Yes but I can't remember just where. It was in some linux online newsletter and the title referred to Linux in the Animation Industry. Should have made a note of it I know. The basic content can be found at the site http://film.gimp.org - John Culleton Able Indexers and Typesetters Rowse Reviews Culleton Editorial Services http://wexfordpress.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] list reply
On Wednesday 08 January 2003 16:29, you wrote: as an aside, i have read that photoshop has a function that allows you to go back and undo selected parts of images. i think that's neat, because sometimes, especially with layering you like some changes an additional layer makes but you lose other parts you liked (iyswim), hence with this tool you can just select the bits you would like retain by selecting that part and undoing the change just for that part. is there anything similar in the gimp ? if not is it possible to do ? In GIMP, you can do what you describe with a layer mask. Last I saw, that's how you did it in Photoshop, too. Here's a short run-down of the process: yes, and thanks for showing how to do it but psp actually has a tool that does that, took me ages to find the refernce again, but its mentioned here, its called a history brush http://www.liv.ac.uk/abe/students/photoshop/05b_palettes.shtml now that is really nifty isn't it ?:)) the history palette is good too. i find increasing the undo levels in gimp is impractical on large images; it slows down the machine too much, even at a tile cache size of 256, and 10 levels of undo are nothing if painting small strokes, so its a bit awkward and i think a history palette would sort that out ? sammi ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Gimp-film (or film-Gimp)
Hi! Is this article available online anywhere? I would LOVE to read it! :) Peace Tom Yes but I can't remember just where. It was in some linux online newsletter and the title referred to Linux in the Animation Industry. Should have made a note of it I know.=20 Just FYI. I wrote one of these articles for Salon: http://archive.salon.com/tech/feature/2001/11/01/linux_hollywood/ I also did one for Linux Journal: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=5472 -- Michael J. Hammel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Graphics Muse ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: list reply
On Wednesday 08 January 2003 21:08, you wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (2003-01-08 at 1522.21 +): thank you all those who suggsted how to convert rgb into cmyk. i would have replied but then i noticed that hitting 'reply' on my reader (knode) would send the reply to the individual and not the list. ack. why ?, i can't find a way of changing this either. i think that's annoying. The list owner decided changing reply-to is bad. Others think changing is good. In any case, the best is to get a mailer that can do normal reply, group reply and list reply. thank you for your response. but the links are about munging ? the addresses aren't munged, it is just set up so i can't reply to the list automatically, plus i get two mails when someone replies, one on the list and one privately. i have to then not only type in gimp adress but also delete duplicates. i am on several lists where i do not have to do this. as to changing mailer, this is a linux based mailer. i do not like netscape and mutt i find annoying, having to edit mails in vi and view html in other windows, etc etc. sammi ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] image size
it seems is a problem with gimp. large images slow down my machine quite a bit, somtimes to the point of impractabilty, but they are sizes not so untypical of people who need to make prints of their graphics. now i'm hesitant to recommend gimp to people who i know tend to need print quality grapics/pictures, but then perhaps proffesssional graphic artist use larger/better machines ? sammi ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Good books
Keith Athey wrote: The online man pages are not very helpful for doing searches on functionality. Is there a good book/web site anyone can recommend that covers gimp functionality at a medium technical level. The entire large gimp manual is downloadable from: http://manual.gimp.org/ -- Ron. [Melbourne, Australia] 20030106 updates now available for Fastest Mandrake downloader (English-only) from: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] image size
Just FYI, even though Photoshop may generally handle large file sizes well, it fails completely with images that are larger than 32K pixels in any dimension. That's a complete washout for my images, which are very long, often well over 100K pixels in length. On the other hand, the GIMP will handle such large image dimensions, as long as you don't run into something like the 2GB image cache file size limit under Windoze. Unfortunately, I do presently run into that limit with my largest images. Supposedly that limitation will be addressed in the next GIMP version (currently in development). Unfortunately that doesn't do me any good right now, since I'm not enough of an expert and haven't yet been enough of a glutton for punishment to attempt porting the new version to Windblows. I'm trying a few other things instead (e.g. ImageMagick) and hoping that maybe Tor or someone else will complete the port by the time I confirm that other applications can't get the job done either... s/KAM - Original Message - From: Fred Bazolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gimp User [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:36 PM Subject: [Gimp-user] image size from sam ende, Thu, 9 Jan 2003 01:42:19 +: it seems is a problem with gimp. large images slow down my machine quite a bit, somtimes to the point of impractabilty, but they are sizes not so untypical of people who need to make prints of their graphics. now i'm hesitant to recommend gimp to people who i know tend to need print quality grapics/pictures, but then perhaps proffesssional graphic artist use larger/better machines ? When my file gets to be about 100 megs in size, it is hard to get any work done. Files up to 25 megs or even 30 megs do fine, without a lot of waiting around for things to stabilize. Depends on your system I suppose. What I have is an Athlon 1200 Mhz Tbird, 768 megs of ram, about 15 gigs of HD space to play with. Not real slow but hardly extraordinary. I've never used a complete version of Photoshop. I stopped using proprietary software two or three years ago. Used to use Corel Draw, and can remember years ago when a five meg graphic would take an hour to display, and I was ecstatic! Ha! Things keep getting better. I have read that with the larger files Photoshop does seem to have an advantage. That, along with the CYMK thing, are what seem to keep it alive. ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] GIMP Image Size Limits
Under Windows I am running into a problem where the GIMP's pixel buffer seems to hit a 2GB file size limit when my gray scale TIFF image files excede roughly 400KB in size. I'm guessing the buffer requires 5 bytes per pixel (RGB, transparency, ?), even though all of that isn't really needed for my images. I need to work with these images absolutely ASAP. Because all of the machines involved are running Windoze, I was hoping to stick with that. However, it's starting to look like that is a hopeless cause given my poor porting skills and the apparant lack of interest of most gimp developers in addressing this problem under Windoze (at least in the near term). So, I'm starting to consider using Linux instead, and have two related questions: 1. Can anyone out there positively confirm that running the GIMP under a fairly recent version of Linux would avoid any inherent 2GB pixel buffer size limit? I can provide some images for testing if anyone would like to volunteer... 2. Would anyone out there care to suggest a readily available commercial Linux distribution that is extremely easy to install, learn, and use for unsophisticated users with primarily Windblows experience? Thanks in advance for any help. s/KAM ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Image Size Limits
I am curious about your file sizes though: 400 KB doesn't sound all that big; actually, that sounds pretty small. Also, I'm not very technical so bear with me, but isn't 5 times 400 KB about 2.0 MB? What am I missing here? On Wednesday 08 January 2003 23:31, Kevin Myers wrote: Under Windows I am running into a problem where the GIMP's pixel buffer seems to hit a 2GB file size limit when my gray scale TIFF image files excede roughly 400KB in size. I'm guessing the buffer requires 5 bytes per pixel (RGB, transparency, ?), even though all of that isn't really needed for my images. I need to work with these images absolutely ASAP. Because all of the machines involved are running Windoze, I was hoping to stick with that. However, it's starting to look like that is a hopeless cause given my poor porting skills and the apparant lack of interest of most gimp developers in addressing this problem under Windoze (at least in the near term). So, I'm starting to consider using Linux instead, and have two related questions: 1. Can anyone out there positively confirm that running the GIMP under a fairly recent version of Linux would avoid any inherent 2GB pixel buffer size limit? I can provide some images for testing if anyone would like to volunteer... 2. Would anyone out there care to suggest a readily available commercial Linux distribution that is extremely easy to install, learn, and use for unsophisticated users with primarily Windblows experience? Thanks in advance for any help. s/KAM ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Image Size Limits
Sorry Fred and all, my apologies, 400KB was a serious typo. That should have read 400MB! s/KAM - Original Message - From: Fred Bazolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gimp users [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Image Size Limits I am curious about your file sizes though: 400 KB doesn't sound all that big; actually, that sounds pretty small. Also, I'm not very technical so bear with me, but isn't 5 times 400 KB about 2.0 MB? What am I missing here? On Wednesday 08 January 2003 23:31, Kevin Myers wrote: Under Windows I am running into a problem where the GIMP's pixel buffer seems to hit a 2GB file size limit when my gray scale TIFF image files excede roughly 400KB in size. I'm guessing the buffer requires 5 bytes per pixel (RGB, transparency, ?), even though all of that isn't really needed for my images. I need to work with these images absolutely ASAP. Because all of the machines involved are running Windoze, I was hoping to stick with that. However, it's starting to look like that is a hopeless cause given my poor porting skills and the apparant lack of interest of most gimp developers in addressing this problem under Windoze (at least in the near term). So, I'm starting to consider using Linux instead, and have two related questions: 1. Can anyone out there positively confirm that running the GIMP under a fairly recent version of Linux would avoid any inherent 2GB pixel buffer size limit? I can provide some images for testing if anyone would like to volunteer... 2. Would anyone out there care to suggest a readily available commercial Linux distribution that is extremely easy to install, learn, and use for unsophisticated users with primarily Windblows experience? Thanks in advance for any help. s/KAM ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Image Size Limits
Whew! That would be a test of my system! Like I mentioned earlier, the largest files I ever tried to work with were about 100 MB, and although it worked it was too annoying to bother with. But it would be fun to try a 400 mb file. I could just set the preferences parameters really high, close down everything else and see what happens. It will take a few minutes just to download a 400 mb file! On Thursday 09 January 2003 00:11, Kevin Myers wrote: Sorry Fred and all, my apologies, 400KB was a serious typo. That should have read 400MB! s/KAM - Original Message - From: Fred Bazolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gimp users [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Image Size Limits I am curious about your file sizes though: 400 KB doesn't sound all that big; actually, that sounds pretty small. Also, I'm not very technical so bear with me, but isn't 5 times 400 KB about 2.0 MB? What am I missing here? On Wednesday 08 January 2003 23:31, Kevin Myers wrote: Under Windows I am running into a problem where the GIMP's pixel buffer seems to hit a 2GB file size limit when my gray scale TIFF image files excede roughly 400KB in size. I'm guessing the buffer requires 5 bytes per pixel (RGB, transparency, ?), even though all of that isn't really needed for my images. I need to work with these images absolutely ASAP. Because all of the machines involved are running Windoze, I was hoping to stick with that. However, it's starting to look like that is a hopeless cause given my poor porting skills and the apparant lack of interest of most gimp developers in addressing this problem under Windoze (at least in the near term). So, I'm starting to consider using Linux instead, and have two related questions: 1. Can anyone out there positively confirm that running the GIMP under a fairly recent version of Linux would avoid any inherent 2GB pixel buffer size limit? I can provide some images for testing if anyone would like to volunteer... 2. Would anyone out there care to suggest a readily available commercial Linux distribution that is extremely easy to install, learn, and use for unsophisticated users with primarily Windblows experience? Thanks in advance for any help. s/KAM ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Image Size Limits
Kevin, I may be able to save you the trouble. While I was waiting, I went ahead and just tried to make some 400 MB tiff files. I got as high as 273MB and my system didn't like it, but it did it. Above that, the GIMP just died and went away - literally! I set the preferences so as to allow as much free memory as possible but that's the best I'm able to do. So I wonder, is there some sort of ~300 MB limit with tiff files, or is it just my system, or the way I had things set up. Don't know. I was using color tiffs if that is useful. On Thursday 09 January 2003 00:26, Kevin Myers wrote: Hi Fred - Fortunately, it isn't actually necessary to use a 400+MB file to test for the problem. I am uploading a 500M pixel file to an ftp site that I will point you to shortly. This file is 1 bit per pixel and using group 4 compression is only about 6MB in size. Hopefully that will download a lot faster, and it will still trigger the 2GB pixel cache limit if it exists (500M pixels * 5 bytes per pixel = 2.5GB). Thanks for your help! s/KAM - Original Message - From: Fred Bazolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gimp users [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Image Size Limits Whew! That would be a test of my system! Like I mentioned earlier, the largest files I ever tried to work with were about 100 MB, and although it worked it was too annoying to bother with. But it would be fun to try a 400 mb file. I could just set the preferences parameters really high, close down everything else and see what happens. It will take a few minutes just to download a 400 mb file! On Thursday 09 January 2003 00:11, Kevin Myers wrote: Sorry Fred and all, my apologies, 400KB was a serious typo. That should have read 400MB! s/KAM - Original Message - From: Fred Bazolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gimp users [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Image Size Limits I am curious about your file sizes though: 400 KB doesn't sound all that big; actually, that sounds pretty small. Also, I'm not very technical so bear with me, but isn't 5 times 400 KB about 2.0 MB? What am I missing here? On Wednesday 08 January 2003 23:31, Kevin Myers wrote: Under Windows I am running into a problem where the GIMP's pixel buffer seems to hit a 2GB file size limit when my gray scale TIFF image files excede roughly 400KB in size. I'm guessing the buffer requires 5 bytes per pixel (RGB, transparency, ?), even though all of that isn't really needed for my images. I need to work with these images absolutely ASAP. Because all of the machines involved are running Windoze, I was hoping to stick with that. However, it's starting to look like that is a hopeless cause given my poor porting skills and the apparant lack of interest of most gimp developers in addressing this problem under Windoze (at least in the near term). So, I'm starting to consider using Linux instead, and have two related questions: 1. Can anyone out there positively confirm that running the GIMP under a fairly recent version of Linux would avoid any inherent 2GB pixel buffer size limit? I can provide some images for testing if anyone would like to volunteer... 2. Would anyone out there care to suggest a readily available commercial Linux distribution that is extremely easy to install, learn, and use for unsophisticated users with primarily Windblows experience? Thanks in advance for any help. s/KAM ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Image Size Limits
Hi Fred - Please don't wait around for me to upload the test image that I mentioned previously. In attempting to get this ready for you, I have encountered some unexpected behavior that I am presently evaluating. I am able to open and work with larger files than I experienced previously. Something must have changed on my system, but I have no idea what it could be. Suffice it to say at the moment that it doesn't look like the GIMP has a memory limit that affects my usage under Windows after all! I'll get back to you and the list later with more details once I'm certain that I can believe what seems to be happening. Thanks once again for offering to help. Regards, Kevin M. - Original Message - From: Kevin Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: gimp users [EMAIL PROTECTED]; gimpwin users [EMAIL PROTECTED]; gimpwin developers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Image Size Limits Sorry Fred and all, my apologies, 400KB was a serious typo. That should have read 400MB! s/KAM - Original Message - From: Fred Bazolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gimp users [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Image Size Limits I am curious about your file sizes though: 400 KB doesn't sound all that big; actually, that sounds pretty small. Also, I'm not very technical so bear with me, but isn't 5 times 400 KB about 2.0 MB? What am I missing here? On Wednesday 08 January 2003 23:31, Kevin Myers wrote: Under Windows I am running into a problem where the GIMP's pixel buffer seems to hit a 2GB file size limit when my gray scale TIFF image files excede roughly 400KB in size. I'm guessing the buffer requires 5 bytes per pixel (RGB, transparency, ?), even though all of that isn't really needed for my images. I need to work with these images absolutely ASAP. Because all of the machines involved are running Windoze, I was hoping to stick with that. However, it's starting to look like that is a hopeless cause given my poor porting skills and the apparant lack of interest of most gimp developers in addressing this problem under Windoze (at least in the near term). So, I'm starting to consider using Linux instead, and have two related questions: 1. Can anyone out there positively confirm that running the GIMP under a fairly recent version of Linux would avoid any inherent 2GB pixel buffer size limit? I can provide some images for testing if anyone would like to volunteer... 2. Would anyone out there care to suggest a readily available commercial Linux distribution that is extremely easy to install, learn, and use for unsophisticated users with primarily Windblows experience? Thanks in advance for any help. s/KAM ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Image Size Limits
Have fun! On Thursday 09 January 2003 01:30, Kevin Myers wrote: Hi Fred - Please don't wait around for me to upload the test image that I mentioned previously. In attempting to get this ready for you, I have encountered some unexpected behavior that I am presently evaluating. I am able to open and work with larger files than I experienced previously. Something must have changed on my system, but I have no idea what it could be. Suffice it to say at the moment that it doesn't look like the GIMP has a memory limit that affects my usage under Windows after all! I'll get back to you and the list later with more details once I'm certain that I can believe what seems to be happening. Thanks once again for offering to help. Regards, Kevin M. - Original Message - From: Kevin Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: gimp users [EMAIL PROTECTED]; gimpwin users [EMAIL PROTECTED]; gimpwin developers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Image Size Limits Sorry Fred and all, my apologies, 400KB was a serious typo. That should have read 400MB! s/KAM - Original Message - From: Fred Bazolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gimp users [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Image Size Limits I am curious about your file sizes though: 400 KB doesn't sound all that big; actually, that sounds pretty small. Also, I'm not very technical so bear with me, but isn't 5 times 400 KB about 2.0 MB? What am I missing here? On Wednesday 08 January 2003 23:31, Kevin Myers wrote: Under Windows I am running into a problem where the GIMP's pixel buffer seems to hit a 2GB file size limit when my gray scale TIFF image files excede roughly 400KB in size. I'm guessing the buffer requires 5 bytes per pixel (RGB, transparency, ?), even though all of that isn't really needed for my images. I need to work with these images absolutely ASAP. Because all of the machines involved are running Windoze, I was hoping to stick with that. However, it's starting to look like that is a hopeless cause given my poor porting skills and the apparant lack of interest of most gimp developers in addressing this problem under Windoze (at least in the near term). So, I'm starting to consider using Linux instead, and have two related questions: 1. Can anyone out there positively confirm that running the GIMP under a fairly recent version of Linux would avoid any inherent 2GB pixel buffer size limit? I can provide some images for testing if anyone would like to volunteer... 2. Would anyone out there care to suggest a readily available commercial Linux distribution that is extremely easy to install, learn, and use for unsophisticated users with primarily Windblows experience? Thanks in advance for any help. s/KAM ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Image Size Limits
Hi Fred - Thanks for the info. Just encountered some rather surprising results on my own system, and sent you a separate note regarding that. Your results are similar to what I experienced previously on my system, but at around 400MB instead of 273MB. FWIW, I have 1.5GB of RAM on my Win 2K based system. Now I am even more confused! I'll do some more testing and let you know what I figure out... Thanks again, s/KAM - Original Message - From: Fred Bazolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Image Size Limits Kevin, I may be able to save you the trouble. While I was waiting, I went ahead and just tried to make some 400 MB tiff files. I got as high as 273MB and my system didn't like it, but it did it. Above that, the GIMP just died and went away - literally! I set the preferences so as to allow as much free memory as possible but that's the best I'm able to do. So I wonder, is there some sort of ~300 MB limit with tiff files, or is it just my system, or the way I had things set up. Don't know. I was using color tiffs if that is useful. On Thursday 09 January 2003 00:26, Kevin Myers wrote: Hi Fred - Fortunately, it isn't actually necessary to use a 400+MB file to test for the problem. I am uploading a 500M pixel file to an ftp site that I will point you to shortly. This file is 1 bit per pixel and using group 4 compression is only about 6MB in size. Hopefully that will download a lot faster, and it will still trigger the 2GB pixel cache limit if it exists (500M pixels * 5 bytes per pixel = 2.5GB). Thanks for your help! s/KAM - Original Message - From: Fred Bazolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gimp users [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Image Size Limits Whew! That would be a test of my system! Like I mentioned earlier, the largest files I ever tried to work with were about 100 MB, and although it worked it was too annoying to bother with. But it would be fun to try a 400 mb file. I could just set the preferences parameters really high, close down everything else and see what happens. It will take a few minutes just to download a 400 mb file! On Thursday 09 January 2003 00:11, Kevin Myers wrote: Sorry Fred and all, my apologies, 400KB was a serious typo. That should have read 400MB! s/KAM - Original Message - From: Fred Bazolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gimp users [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Image Size Limits I am curious about your file sizes though: 400 KB doesn't sound all that big; actually, that sounds pretty small. Also, I'm not very technical so bear with me, but isn't 5 times 400 KB about 2.0 MB? What am I missing here? On Wednesday 08 January 2003 23:31, Kevin Myers wrote: Under Windows I am running into a problem where the GIMP's pixel buffer seems to hit a 2GB file size limit when my gray scale TIFF image files excede roughly 400KB in size. I'm guessing the buffer requires 5 bytes per pixel (RGB, transparency, ?), even though all of that isn't really needed for my images. I need to work with these images absolutely ASAP. Because all of the machines involved are running Windoze, I was hoping to stick with that. However, it's starting to look like that is a hopeless cause given my poor porting skills and the apparant lack of interest of most gimp developers in addressing this problem under Windoze (at least in the near term). So, I'm starting to consider using Linux instead, and have two related questions: 1. Can anyone out there positively confirm that running the GIMP under a fairly recent version of Linux would avoid any inherent 2GB pixel buffer size limit? I can provide some images for testing if anyone would like to volunteer... 2. Would anyone out there care to suggest a readily available commercial Linux distribution that is extremely easy to install, learn, and use for unsophisticated users with primarily Windblows experience? Thanks in advance for any help. s/KAM ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Gimp-user] TIFF File Resolution Change
Hello, Does anyone out there happen to know of a utility that can simply change the image resolution values that are imbedded in a TIFF file? For example, I would like to be able to change 200 dpi to 400 dpi and thereby reduce the output size of the image by half, while maintaining the same pixel count. I don't want to waste a bunch of time reading and writing the actual pixel data, rather just directly replace the resolution values instead. Why would I want to do that? Well for one thing, it would just be handy sometimes to maintain relative image quality while changing the image size. But primarily I need this at the moment because it might allow me to work around a bug in gimp 1.2.4 that seems to be triggered by exceeding a certain physical dimension size limit for an image (NOT a maximum file size or pixel count) I think that perhaps this can be accomplished with ImageMagick, but I don't seem to be able to figure out the proper command line parameters. Thanks in advance for any ideas. s/KAM ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Image Size Limits
Hmmm, Ok, here is what seems to be happening: When the size of the vertical axis (I didn't test horizontal) exceeds somwhere around 2250 inches, the gimp dies or locks up. It doesn't seem to matter what the size of the file is, and it doesn't matter how many pixels there are. Using File - New, both 1024 x 162000 pixels at 72 dpi and 1024 x 45 pixels at 200 dpi work fine, while both 1024 x 163000 pixels at 72 dpi and 1024 x 453000 pixels at 200 dpi fail. I have no idea exactly what could be causing this, but obviously an overflow or overrun of some type seems likely. Any gimp developers out there care to take a look at this? I'm running 1.2.4 under Win 2K. Fred was running under Suse Linux 8.0 I believe. Thanks in advance, s/KAM - Original Message - From: Kevin Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: gimp users [EMAIL PROTECTED]; gimpwin users [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 12:35 AM Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Image Size Limits Hi Fred - Thanks for the info. Just encountered some rather surprising results on my own system, and sent you a separate note regarding that. Your results are similar to what I experienced previously on my system, but at around 400MB instead of 273MB. FWIW, I have 1.5GB of RAM on my Win 2K based system. Now I am even more confused! I'll do some more testing and let you know what I figure out... Thanks again, s/KAM - Original Message - From: Fred Bazolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Image Size Limits Kevin, I may be able to save you the trouble. While I was waiting, I went ahead and just tried to make some 400 MB tiff files. I got as high as 273MB and my system didn't like it, but it did it. Above that, the GIMP just died and went away - literally! I set the preferences so as to allow as much free memory as possible but that's the best I'm able to do. So I wonder, is there some sort of ~300 MB limit with tiff files, or is it just my system, or the way I had things set up. Don't know. I was using color tiffs if that is useful. On Thursday 09 January 2003 00:26, Kevin Myers wrote: Hi Fred - Fortunately, it isn't actually necessary to use a 400+MB file to test for the problem. I am uploading a 500M pixel file to an ftp site that I will point you to shortly. This file is 1 bit per pixel and using group 4 compression is only about 6MB in size. Hopefully that will download a lot faster, and it will still trigger the 2GB pixel cache limit if it exists (500M pixels * 5 bytes per pixel = 2.5GB). Thanks for your help! s/KAM - Original Message - From: Fred Bazolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gimp users [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Image Size Limits Whew! That would be a test of my system! Like I mentioned earlier, the largest files I ever tried to work with were about 100 MB, and although it worked it was too annoying to bother with. But it would be fun to try a 400 mb file. I could just set the preferences parameters really high, close down everything else and see what happens. It will take a few minutes just to download a 400 mb file! On Thursday 09 January 2003 00:11, Kevin Myers wrote: Sorry Fred and all, my apologies, 400KB was a serious typo. That should have read 400MB! s/KAM - Original Message - From: Fred Bazolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gimp users [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Image Size Limits I am curious about your file sizes though: 400 KB doesn't sound all that big; actually, that sounds pretty small. Also, I'm not very technical so bear with me, but isn't 5 times 400 KB about 2.0 MB? What am I missing here? On Wednesday 08 January 2003 23:31, Kevin Myers wrote: Under Windows I am running into a problem where the GIMP's pixel buffer seems to hit a 2GB file size limit when my gray scale TIFF image files excede roughly 400KB in size. I'm guessing the buffer requires 5 bytes per pixel (RGB, transparency, ?), even though all of that isn't really needed for my images. I need to work with these images absolutely ASAP. Because all of the machines involved are running Windoze, I was hoping to stick with that. However, it's starting to look like that is a hopeless cause given my poor porting skills and the apparant lack of interest of most gimp developers in addressing this problem under Windoze (at least in the near term). So, I'm starting to consider using Linux instead, and have two related questions: 1. Can anyone out there positively confirm that running the GIMP under a fairly recent version of Linux would avoid any inherent 2GB pixel buffer
