[Gimp-user] Re: GIMP 2.0.1 and Fedora Core 1
On Sat, 12 Jun 2004, Barton Bosch wrote: Should I take it that installing the new GIMP on FC1 is not significantly easier than on rh 9 (shrike)? It is the same. What are people's experiences re: GIMP 2.x and FC1? Is it the same nightmare of rebuilding gtk2? Or is it better than rh 9? I tried it. There are 79 packages involed. If you are not an expert do not try it. If you are running RH9 or FC1 you can upgrade to FC2. If you want the simple easy answer just upgrade to fc2. It comes with version 2.0 of gimp. John ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: GIMP 2.0.1 and Fedora Core 1
What are people's experiences re: GIMP 2.x and FC1? Is it the same nightmare of rebuilding gtk2? Or is it better than rh 9? I tried it. There are 79 packages involed. If you are not an expert do not try it. If you are running RH9 or FC1 you can upgrade to FC2. If you want the simple easy answer just upgrade to fc2. It comes with version 2.0 of gimp. John Hi guys, It's possible that i'm just a lucky person, but it was no nightmare installing GIMP 2.0.1 on FC1. It complained about aalib, lcms and libexif, which i needed to install, but after that, i was able to upgrade with only rpm commands. There were some dependency issues but nothing serious. Kolos ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: GIMP 2.0.1 and Fedora Core 1
On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 02:34:36PM +0200, Tatar Kolos wrote: What are people's experiences re: GIMP 2.x and FC1? Is it the same nightmare of rebuilding gtk2? Or is it better than rh 9? I tried it. There are 79 packages involed. If you are not an expert do not try it. If you are running RH9 or FC1 you can upgrade to FC2. If you want the simple easy answer just upgrade to fc2. It comes with version 2.0 of gimp. i counted 5 packages to build gimp (from cvs), 4 required packages (pango, pkgconfig, libart2, gtk2), 8 third party libraries in the recommended list. some addition suggestions are made from running configure. this equals 17 and this count needs more build tools than you would if you were making it from a tarball. 79 - 17 = 62. 62 additional packages are needed by pango, pkgconfig, libart2, gtk2 and fedora? i know pango needs freetype2 and gtk needs atk and glib. i think it is seriously time to check the reasons that fedora needs so much on your computer to work. i really watched these guys try not to add dependencies like this. is there a way for fedora to show this list of dependencies. i am in the mood to count things Hi guys, It's possible that i'm just a lucky person, but it was no nightmare installing GIMP 2.0.1 on FC1. It complained about aalib, lcms and libexif, which i needed to install, but after that, i was able to upgrade with only rpm commands. There were some dependency issues but nothing serious. this application should be able to build without these libraries. i know that aalib is an option and the gimp should build fine without this. do you have a working pygimp? carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Terrible time to get 2.01 running
John Dietsch wrote: On Fri, 11 Jun 2004, Greg Rundlett wrote: rob wrote: Rember you need all the -dev rpms if you want to compile stuff. It would be a much much beter idea for you to install the rpm. Ditching suse for debian would also be a good idea. I too had literally the worst experience thus far in my Linux life trying to install GIMP 2.0 on a Fedora Core distro. Some blame may go to FC and some to the GIMP website. I do NOT know enough about installing software and administering Linux systems to accurately identify what made my experience so dreadful. However, let me point out that it just 'worked' on Windows. All I had to do was download the exe installer for GTK and GIMP, install A before B, and it was done. On Fedora, I tried installing RPM, but had failed dependencies that I could *not* find. The point is this.it doesn't matter *why* it is difficult, it matters that it *is* difficult. The result is that people will not use the GIMP unless they are on Windows, or they are/have access to a Linux guru to install it. This is like deja-vu. I recently completed a thread with the exact same scenario, only using SuSe linux 9.0.My wife downloaded Gimp 2.01 on her Dell XP laptop, and it works...bingo! No problems, no configurations, no dependencies, no bulls---, it just works. I'm still screwing around trying to get it to work, but your point is 100% correct. If this extremely common situation is not resolved for the ordinary user, it will be yet one more example showing that Linux never got beyond the Geek stage. Robert Chopped Here Greg, For Fedora, you need to learn to use yum. If you installed FC from an RPM, it should already be there. Check in /etc for yum.conf . If it's not there, go to the source where you got the Fedora RPM and install yum. For the new Gimp you need to be in Fedora Core 2. As ROOT, do an update to be sure you are current with patches. yum -y update yum will check your system packages, for patches and dependancies, download the needed files, then run a test transaction to be sure it can succeed. Then it will do the installation. Running this on a regular basis will keep you up to date for any patches for vulnerabilities that have been found and corrected. To install Gimp run yum -y install gimp I hope this helps. John Dietsch ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Terrible time to get 2.01 running
On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 01:36:18PM -0400, Robert Krueger wrote: On Fri, 11 Jun 2004, Greg Rundlett wrote: The point is this.it doesn't matter *why* it is difficult, it matters that it *is* difficult. The result is that people will not use the GIMP unless they are on Windows, or they are/have access to a Linux guru to install it. This is like deja-vu. I recently completed a thread with the exact same scenario, only using SuSe linux 9.0.My wife downloaded Gimp 2.01 on her Dell XP laptop, and it works...bingo! No problems, no configurations, no dependencies, no bulls---, it just works. I'm still screwing around trying to get it to work, but your point is 100% correct. If this extremely common situation is not resolved for the ordinary user, it will be yet one more example showing that Linux never got beyond the Geek stage. was this ever a goal? this looks like bragging to me. carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: GIMP 2.0.1 and Fedora Core 1
John Dietsch wrote: On Sat, 12 Jun 2004, Barton Bosch wrote: Should I take it that installing the new GIMP on FC1 is not significantly easier than on rh 9 (shrike)? It is the same. What are people's experiences re: GIMP 2.x and FC1? Is it the same nightmare of rebuilding gtk2? Or is it better than rh 9? I tried it. There are 79 packages involed. If you are not an expert do not try it. If you are running RH9 or FC1 you can upgrade to FC2. If you want the simple easy answer just upgrade to fc2. It comes with version 2.0 of gimp. I have only done a bit of checking into the newer distros, but isn't FC2 a 64 bit OS? That would make it incompatible with my PIII 550, correct? On a related note, would that mean that when FC1 hits its EOL date (if it hasn't already) that there will be no more official updates or security fixes for redhat based x86 operating systems? Ciao, Barton ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] how to change colors
I have a fairly simple gif image that has various shades of brown. I'd like to have the same image but with various shades of grey instead. What would be the easiest way of doing this? Is there an algorithmic way of converting the brown range to a grey range? Given that I could easily change the values in the colormap. I'm very much a novice at this sort of thing so I'm just fumbling my way around. Any help would be much appreciated. -- I will love the light for it shows me the way, Yet I will endure the darkness for it shows me the stars. -- Og Mandino Rick Pasotto[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.niof.net ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: GIMP 2.0.1 and Fedora Core 1
Barton Bosch wrote: John Dietsch wrote: On Sat, 12 Jun 2004, Barton Bosch wrote: Should I take it that installing the new GIMP on FC1 is not significantly easier than on rh 9 (shrike)? It is the same. What are people's experiences re: GIMP 2.x and FC1? Is it the same nightmare of rebuilding gtk2? Or is it better than rh 9? I tried it.There are 79 packages involed.If you are not an expert do not try it. If you are running RH9 or FC1 you can upgrade to FC2. If you want the simple easy answer just upgrade to fc2. It comes with version 2.0 of gimp. I have only done a bit of checking into the newer distros, but isn't FC2 a 64 bit OS? That would make it incompatible with my PIII 550, correct? Don't start spreading FUD. From http://fedora.redhat.com Fedora Core 2 is now available from Red Hat and at distinguished mirror sites near you, and is also available in the torrent. Fedora Core has expanded in this release to four binary ISO images and four source ISO images, and is available for both x86-64 and i386. ^^ On a related note, would that mean that when FC1 hits its EOL date (if it hasn't already) that there will be no more official updates or security fixes for redhat based x86 operating systems? If there is an EOL for the Fedoras, it might be possible that no more updates for older versions will be available - I don't know, I neither did use nor do I plan to use Redhat or Fedora. But your general statement about discontinuing support for redhat based x86 operating systems is wrong, as indicated by the release anouncement - it is even ambiguous, since the 64 bit version is for x86-64 :) HTH, Michael -- The GIMP http://www.gimp.org| IRC: irc://irc.gimp.org/gimp Sodipodi http://sodipodi.sf.net | IRC: irc://irc.gimp.org/sodipodi ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] how to change colors
Off the top of my head: change the image to RGB (Image:Mode:RGB ?). From here on you have a few options. For instance, Layer:Colors:Hue/Saturation and dial saturation way down. If you want you could also change the hue instead and turn the brown shades into shades of another color. Then save your image as GIF again (it will convert it back from RGB to Indexed for you). Good luck, Frans On Sunday 13 June 2004 20:45, Rick Pasotto wrote: I have a fairly simple gif image that has various shades of brown. I'd like to have the same image but with various shades of grey instead. What would be the easiest way of doing this? Is there an algorithmic way of converting the brown range to a grey range? Given that I could easily change the values in the colormap. I'm very much a novice at this sort of thing so I'm just fumbling my way around. Any help would be much appreciated. ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: GIMP 2.0.1 and Fedora Core 1
Michael Schumacher wrote: snip I have only done a bit of checking into the newer distros, but isn't FC2 a 64 bit OS? That would make it incompatible with my PIII 550, correct? Don't start spreading FUD. From http://fedora.redhat.com Sorry, no FUD intended. The info I got: CPU Requirements This section lists the CPU specifications required by Fedora Core 2. * AMD64 processors (both Athlon64 and Opteron) * Intel processors with Intel® Extended Memory 64 Technology (Intel® EM64T) was from: http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/ Not sure how the direct contradiction between the main FC2 page that you linked to and the release notes pages that a search for fedora core system requirements search took me to happened, but it is reassuring that FC2 is available for x86-64 and i386. How is FC2 running for folks (especially with regard to GIMP 2.0.1)? Chances are that if I install FC2 I will just put it in a spare partition and keep rh 9 as my production os. I briefly considered branching out to s Debian Sarge partition that would allow an 'apt-get install gimp', but my situation is further complicated by being on a 56k line. A kind windows user is downloading the isos of the new distro for me and I really don't see him installing Debian Jigdo to get the Sarge cd images But your general statement about discontinuing support for redhat based x86 operating systems is wrong, as indicated by the release anouncement - it is even ambiguous, since the 64 bit version is for x86-64 :) Yeah ok, thanks for sorting that out. Barton ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] how to change colors
On Sun, 2004-06-13 at 11:45, Rick Pasotto wrote: I have a fairly simple gif image that has various shades of brown. I'd like to have the same image but with various shades of grey instead. What would be the easiest way of doing this? Is there an algorithmic way of converting the brown range to a grey range? Given that I could easily change the values in the colormap. You have several options. 1. Image:Mode:Grayscale this will convert your gif to grayscale You can then convert it back to GIF (e.g. Image:Mode:Indexed, and save with the .gif extension) 2. Image:Mode:RGB convert the image to RGB, then Layer:Colors:Desaturate will give you grayscale. Image:Mode:Indexed to get it back to indexed, and save with .gif extension as before. HTH, -- Jeff ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Terrible time to get 2.01 running
Maybe you want to try another distro. On my Debian box, I typed apt-get install gimp and it got installed. No problem there. Somewhere I read recently that if you switch to Debian, you'll be asking yourself Why didn't I do this sooner?I can vouch for that. A lot of times you see somebody say: (in reference to some application install problem) Hey why don't you just switch to [insert favorite distro], it rocks!. I do not generally recommend this sort of advice since the user has most likely invested a lot of effort into their current desktop/OS setup. It is also possible that they may need to use one distribution at work, so that using a different distribution at home could entail more learning, maintenance effort and problems than it is worth. With all the caveats mentioned, I am really happy that I've been able to switch to Debian, and that installing software applications on Debian (using apt) is a dream compared to the RPM way. (Maybe yum is like apt. I don't know, I've never tried yum on RedHat). This is all you have to do to install GIMP on Debian (Sarge) # echo deb http://mars.iti.pk.edu.pl/~jakub/dist/sarge ./ /etc/apt/sources.list # apt-get update # apt-get install gimp gimp-gap gimp-help-2 Anyway, here's my bit of advice to anyone installing GIMP: If you would like to try Debian (which has the advantage of being a GNU-linux distribution, not a commercial linux distribution), you will not have any difficulty installing GIMP 2.0.1. And (mostly as an aside-since this is a GIMP-user list) installing Debian is also quite a pleasure if you have a good Internet connection. I downloaded and burned the 51MB business-card CD iso instead of the usual 3 x 700MB iso download of other distributions. And did the install before going to bed. It sets up the basic system, then retrieves and installs all the other software packages while you're sleeping. In the morning, I finished answering a few questions, and my new system was ready to go. Maybe this is just like doing a network installl for RedHat, but I was always under the impression that you needed to setup your own network server to do a network install for RedHat. ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: how to change colors
Rick Pasotto wrote: I have a fairly simple gif image that has various shades of brown. I'd like to have the same image but with various shades of grey instead. What would be the easiest way of doing this? Is there an algorithmic way of converting the brown range to a grey range? Given that I could easily change the values in the colormap. First, since you are a novice, I should probably tell you to convert the image from Indexed type to RGB type, or you will not be able to do very much with it. After that, depending on exactly what is in the image there may be easier ways than what I am about to describe, but I think for a general solution you need to begin by creating a selection that contains the parts of the image you want to modify. Possibly the Select by Color function will do this for you, or you may have to do something more sophisticated. Once you have selected the parts you want to modify, the rest is easy: just activate the Hue-Saturation tool, and reduce the saturation to zero. Everything in the selection will then turn to gray. If this does not do what you want, please try to clarify the problem. Best, -- Bill __ __ __ __ Sent via the KillerWebMail system at primate.ucdavis.edu ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] how to change colors
hi, On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 02:45:29PM -0400, Rick Pasotto wrote: I have a fairly simple gif image that has various shades of brown. I'd like to have the same image but with various shades of grey instead. What would be the easiest way of doing this? Is there an algorithmic way of converting the brown range to a grey range? Given that I could easily change the values in the colormap. since you are starting with an image with 256 colors or less, you should be able to easily convert the colors by using the gimp palette editor. if the image is just browns, convert it to rgb by right clicking on the image Image --Mode --RGB. now, convert it back Image --Mode --Index. you will get the index dialog. in this dialog you can use the Grays palette. if the image has more than just browns in it, a little extra work with the palette editor will be necessary. Dialogs --Palettes will bring the Palette Palette Dialog up. Select the palette called Untitled and right click on the dialog. there will be a menu in which you can import a palette with. Select this and point the next dialog at your image. the resulting palette can be easily edited. you actually have what i consider a fun job for the gimp. I'm very much a novice at this sort of thing so I'm just fumbling my way around. Any help would be much appreciated. heh, well the professionals and the artists understand how to make the other color tools work for this. they were also surprised at what the gimp index dialog could do as well. good luck, carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Commercial Use?
I'm going to sample the Gimp software later, but I'm wondering... despite that the program is free (the source anyway), if I create or doctor images using the program which will be put up on a website, in my case, they are cartoon images on a comic site, is it legal? The images themselves will not be sold - they are free. But, on the sites I will be selling merchandice. I just want to make sure I'm not running into legal or licencing issues using this software. Thank you for your time and reply. --Moonchaser. __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Commercial Use?
moonchaser wrote: I'm going to sample the Gimp software later, but I'm wondering... despite that the program is free (the source anyway), if I create or doctor images using the program which will be put up on a website, in my case, they are cartoon images on a comic site, is it legal? The images themselves will not be sold - they are free. But, on the sites I will be selling merchandice. I just want to make sure I'm not running into legal or licencing issues using this software. Thank you for your time and reply. To start, I have no idea what I'm talking about, so you can probably ignore me. The GIMP is licensed under the GPL. The GPL does not affect anything you create with the software. As long as the images you are working with aren't copyrighted by someone else, you are free to do with them as you please. -- Andrew Gaffney Network Administrator Skyline Aeronautics, LLC. 636-357-1548 ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Commercial Use?
hi, On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 11:40:18PM -0400, moonchaser wrote: I'm going to sample the Gimp software later, but I'm wondering... despite that the program is free (the source anyway), if I create or doctor images using the program which will be put up on a website, in my case, they are cartoon images on a comic site, is it legal? The images themselves will not be sold - they are free. But, on the sites I will be selling merchandice. I just want to make sure I'm not running into legal or licencing issues using this software. Thank you for your time and reply. these are two separate issues. it is like owning your own car. you do not have to ask permission to drive your car. this does not allow you the right to drive it anywhere you want however. when the gimp developers are worried about licenses, they are worried about using copyrighted mathematical processes. one of these was the lz compression stuff. just an example. you, a gimp user, needs to be mindful of what you use the gimp for. just because it is yours and free to have and keep does not mean that this allows you to violate artists wishes because you own it. buying photoshop does not give you this priveledge either. check to see what the comic artists says on his/her web site. they all have an opinion about what you can do with their artwork. carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
