Re: [Gimp-user] Update blocked by trend micro

[Ruben Safir]

On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 11:12:33AM +1300, Cliff Pratt via gimp-user-list wrote:
> Do you have anything other than vague claims of guruship to back that up?
> 


You mean like the OPs original post 

??

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Re: [Gimp-user] Update blocked by trend micro

[Ruben Safir]

On 11/16/21 17:06, Kasim Ahmic wrote:
> That’s a completely false and baseless claim. 

this is like 1996 all over again


There is no reasont no send me directly email that goes to the list.
Please fix your mail client.


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Re: [Gimp-user] Update blocked by trend micro

[Ruben Safir]

On 11/16/21 17:06, Kasim Ahmic wrote:
> Please either just respond to the OP


OP - get rid of Trend Micro, and don't use Norton either.



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Re: [Gimp-user] Update blocked by trend micro

[Ruben Safir]

On 11/16/21 17:06, Kasim Ahmic wrote:
> That’s a completely false and baseless claim.


Oh please, did someone offend your software?

No - it is not a baseless claim or false.  This is not a debate and I am
not discussing this with you.  I told you the facts based on thirty
years of observation.  There is no need for you to retort the facts.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Update blocked by trend micro

[Ruben Safir]

On 11/16/21 11:35, Kasim Ahmic wrote:
> For what it’s worth, I also use Trend Micro and have been very happy with it 
> over the years.


ugg - here come the testimonials defending a garbage piece of software
that is not secure and blocks free software from being installed...

the product really can't be defended.  It has a decades old history of
abject failure

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Re: [Gimp-user] Update blocked by trend micro

[Ruben Safir]

On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 11:37:09PM +0100, Michael Schumacher via gimp-user-list 
wrote:
> On 15.11.21 22:55, Ruben Safir wrote:
> 
> >On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 09:31:20PM +0100, Jernej Simončič wrote:
> >>On Monday, November 15, 2021, 13:31:01, Ruben Safir wrote:
> >>
> >>>In the last 40 years in the GNU field I have heard a lot of bad advise
> >>>but rarely as bad as this.  Ignore this advise by Rick Strong and
> >>>ditch tend micro - ASAP.
> >>
> >>I kind of doubt that TrendMicro is the problem,
> >
> >Set aside with the doubts because they ARE the problem
> 
> Ruben, I am pretty sure that the core issue in this thread is experience.
> 


No - but I have the experience and you do not.

The core issue is that trendmicro is not a reliable source of 
security and is a bad actor.

Nothing fixes that.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Update blocked by trend micro

[Ruben Safir]

On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 09:31:20PM +0100, Jernej Simončič wrote:
> On Monday, November 15, 2021, 13:31:01, Ruben Safir wrote:
> 
> > In the last 40 years in the GNU field I have heard a lot of bad advise 
> > but rarely as bad as this.  Ignore this advise by Rick Strong and 
> > ditch tend micro - ASAP.
> 
> I kind of doubt that TrendMicro is the problem,


Set aside with the doubts because they ARE the problem


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Re: [Gimp-user] [OT] Re: Update blocked by trend micro

[Ruben Safir]

In the last 40 years in the GNU field I have heard a lot of bad advise 
but rarely as bad as this.  Ignore this advise by Rick Strong and 
ditch tend micro - ASAP.

These companies are not just wreckless, but manipulative and 
not to be trusted with your security.  They are bad players.

You can talk to them until you are blue in the faith and they 
will still harm you.

It is just not worth the risk.  Ditch Trend Mico.

Norton is not any better, BTW


On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at 03:36:29PM -0500, Rick Strong wrote:
> D'accord.
> 
> -Original Message- From: James Moe via gimp-user-list
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 2:27 PM
> To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
> Subject: [Gimp-user] [OT] Re: Update blocked by trend micro
> 
> On 2021-11-14 02:32, Ruben Safir wrote:
> 
> >It is very important not to use trend micro for your security.
> >That are not to be trusted.
> >
> 1. The OP made clear he is in a corporate environment. He has no
> control over
> security choices.
> 2. Such a wantonly unsupported statement of untrustworthiness is not
> helpful.
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Re: [Gimp-user] Update blocked by trend micro

[Ruben Safir]

On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at 03:22:42PM +0900, Joel Rees via gimp-user-list wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at 1:00 PM Baz Shaw  wrote:
> >
> > Here is the report
> >
> > Report from Trend Micro antivirus during download:
> >
> >  Time: 11/11/2021 16:36
> > File: gimp-2.20.28-setup.exe-part
> > Threat: TSPY.Win32.TRX.XXPE50FSX016E0002
> > Action: Quarantined
> 
> Putting quotes around that and doing a web search yields no results.
> If Trend Micro has a specific record for this, they haven't published
> it, or it's really new.
> 

It is very important not to use trend micro for your security.

That are not to be trusted.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

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On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 01:36:15AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 19 October 2021 21:23:50 Cliff Pratt via gimp-user-list wrote:
> 
> > The 'text problem' has been discussed many times, and the root cause
> > is people not understanding how the tools works. I did (for my own
> > satisfaction) quite a lot of fiddling with the tool + its options, and
> > I've been able to reproduce all the issues that I've seen reported. As
> > far as I can recall the issue was that the users were trying to change
> > things in two places, in the on screen editor, and in the tool
> > options. Changes in the on screen editor only apply to that box.
> > Changes to the tool options apply to either the current box or the
> > next box created. Changes to the current box are never (so far as I
> > can make out) applied to the tool options. There is no hidden default.
> > The tool options can be changed and are saved between sessions and the
> > next time you open GIMP they will be the same as they were when you
> > last shut down.
> >
> > Cliff
> 
> I wish that were true, but I've had to expand the size of the font from 
> invisible to 100 points or more for every box of text I've used to add 
> captions or labels to a picture for at least 20 years. If its a tool 
> option, tell me please how to set it so its big enough to be read by 
> default. I ATM, have whatever version is std for debian stretch.
> 


It is not a tools option problem

It is just broken.  Everytime I use it it defaults to 62pts and it
refuses to change.

It is just broken

It didn't used to be.

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Re: [Gimp-user] text mode, need instruct sequence

[Ruben Safir]

> > Anything else you want to push inapropriately in the thread?
> 
> No. This one should be enough, 

and yet you continue.  Which part of you're being inapropriate is not
being made clear?  And which part of that GNOME uses GOOGLE to search
its archives on its website don't you understand?

> 
> Best regards
> 

If you meant for my best regards you wouldn't had started with this.



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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

[Ruben Safir]

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 08:38:06PM +0300, Cristian Secară wrote:
> În data de Sun, 17 Oct 2021 11:24:10 +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine via 
> gimp-user-list a scris:
> 
> > > Why is it that now when I crop the image that the canvas sticks out.
> > 
> > [...]
> > 
> > Enabling the "Delete cropped pixels" checkbox in Crop tool's options
> > restores the old destructive behavior
> 
> After crop, usually I go to Layer > Layer to Image Size.
> 

FWIW, that is crazy to have to do that

> Until this 'discussion' I never noticed the "Delete cropped pixels" option :)
> 
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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

[Ruben Safir]

Also, it would be great if you fixed the file previewer.  Why does it
work in every other piece of software, but not the gimp?  I get tired of
opening directories with viewnoir and then forking to the gimp.

And please return Crop to normal so it is useful and people don't laugh
at us for using broken software.  Just borrow the libraries from
ImageMagick.




On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 01:37:42AM -0400, Ruben Safir wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 08:47:41PM +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine via 
> gimp-user-list wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 8:38 PM Cristian Secară wrote:
> > 
> > > > Enabling the "Delete cropped pixels" checkbox in Crop tool's options
> > > > restores the old destructive behavior
> > >
> > > After crop, usually I go to Layer > Layer to Image Size.
> > >
> > > Until this 'discussion' I never noticed the "Delete cropped pixels" 
> > > option :)
> > 
> > That's the thing with new options and preferences: they aren't
> > discoverable, and people tend to avoid reading release notes. I mean,
> > people are still discovering the single-window mode after almost 10
> > years! :)
> 
> 
> I doesn't need an hiddne option burried in the interface.  It needs crop
> to work correctly for everyone.
> 
> Crop is Crop, and it is always destructive
> 
> > 
> > There are some less intrusive ways to make people aware of new
> > options. I did file https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp/-/issues/5541
> > a while ago, and it looks like Jehan is interested in implementing
> > that at some point in the future. That should take away some friction.
> > 
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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

[Ruben Safir]

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 08:47:41PM +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine via 
gimp-user-list wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 8:38 PM Cristian Secară wrote:
> 
> > > Enabling the "Delete cropped pixels" checkbox in Crop tool's options
> > > restores the old destructive behavior
> >
> > After crop, usually I go to Layer > Layer to Image Size.
> >
> > Until this 'discussion' I never noticed the "Delete cropped pixels" option 
> > :)
> 
> That's the thing with new options and preferences: they aren't
> discoverable, and people tend to avoid reading release notes. I mean,
> people are still discovering the single-window mode after almost 10
> years! :)


I doesn't need an hiddne option burried in the interface.  It needs crop
to work correctly for everyone.

Crop is Crop, and it is always destructive

> 
> There are some less intrusive ways to make people aware of new
> options. I did file https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp/-/issues/5541
> a while ago, and it looks like Jehan is interested in implementing
> that at some point in the future. That should take away some friction.
> 
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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

[Ruben Safir]

> 
> > BTW - they need to fix the text tool that they BROKE
> 
> Please elaborate on that.
> 


It has been described on the mailing list about ten times, and it keeps
falling on deaf ear.  Try using it and see for yourself how it keeps
defaulting to size 64 fonts and you can't force it to change accept by
luck and seridipity.

Instead of breaking Crop, why not fix this, which worked for 20 years
and is now broken.

Every image software has done this flawlessly since Paint Shop Pro.


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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

[Ruben Safir]

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 05:18:59PM -1000, scott smart via gimp-user-list wrote:
> 
> On 10/18/2021 07:38, Cristian Secară wrote:
> >În data de Sun, 17 Oct 2021 11:24:10 +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine via 
> >gimp-user-list a scris:
> >
> >>>Why is it that now when I crop the image that the canvas sticks out.
> >>[...]
> >>
> >>Enabling the "Delete cropped pixels" checkbox in Crop tool's options
> >>restores the old destructive behavior
> >After crop, usually I go to Layer > Layer to Image Size. Until
> >this 'discussion' I never noticed the "Delete cropped pixels"
> >option :)
> 
> 
> same  here (though I use fit canvas to layers).  Was wondering why
> crop was working more like a selection.  At least, I've never seen a
> crop before that didn't crop.  And delete cropped pixels doesn't
> actually crop if you have "current layer only" checked (canvas
> remains unchanged).

They are having a major problem understanding the word "crop" and they
broke the gimp.

> 
> 
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> 
> .
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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

[Ruben Safir]

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 07:31:21PM +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine via 
gimp-user-list wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 7:18 PM Ruben Safir wrote:
> 
> > > When you do cropping _and_ you apply a bunch of changes on top of it,
> > > you have to go all the way back to redo cropping if you want it done
> > > differently.
> >
> > No problem with that.  Using cropping any other way is stupid.
> 
> https://www.gimp.org/mail_lists.html#code-of-conduct
> 
> "Please make sure that you add value to the discussion, avoid
> repetitive arguments, flamewars, trolling,_ and personal attacks.

I am afraid your not listening.  You think this is a debatable point and
it is not and that quick wit and smart arguments matter.

Your blocking the screen after a crop.  That is called broken.

Never quote me a code of conduct.  They are facist tools.


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Re: [Gimp-user] text mode, need instruct sequence

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On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 12:05:51PM -0300, Dedeco Balaco via gimp-user-list 
wrote:
> 
> 
> Em 17/10/2021 21:23, Ruben Safir escreveu:
> > On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 10:57:44AM +1300, Cliff Pratt via gimp-user-list 
> > wrote:
> >> There's not enough information there to tell what is going wrong. Where are
> >> you making the changes, on screen or in the tool options, for example. As I
> >> recall there have been similar discussions in the past, and it may pay to
> >> look at teh archives.
> >
> > The archives don't have a decent search mechanism other than google and
> > it seems google don't care about mailing lists any more 
> 
> Do you still use that no-privacy-sell-you-all site, which pretends to be
> a search engine? Learn a new one, which is much different, and which you
> can instruct to search specific sites - like the mailing list here.
> duckduckgo.com
> 

That happens to be the ONE built into the GNOME mailing list archive

Aside from the duckduckgo search results are not better...which BTW is
using BING as its search engine

Anything else you want to push inapropriately in the thread?


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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

[Ruben Safir]

BTW - they need to fix the text tool that they BROKE

That is really an urgent need.  

and fix the crop and fix the save so it saves.

Then it would be perfect and you can just stop coding it and stop
breaking it.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

[Ruben Safir]

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 12:06:04PM +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine via 
gimp-user-list wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 11:06 AM Ruben Safir wrote:
> 
> > Neither does anyone else.   You beavers are destroying the GIMP
> 
> I'm fairly certain none of GIMP contributors are large rodents
> although we generally do like swimming and building habitat.
> 
> > You DO understand that CTL Z returns your crop?
> 
> Oh, right. Ctrl-Z. About that.
> 
> When you do cropping _and_ you apply a bunch of changes on top of it,
> you have to go all the way back to redo cropping if you want it done
> differently. 


No problem with that.  Using cropping any other way is stupid.

Crop means CROP



crop verb
cropped; cropping

Definition of crop (Entry 2 of 2)

transitive verb
1a : to remove the upper or outer parts of crop a hedge crop a dog's
ears
b : harvest crop trout
c : to cut off short : trim crop a photograph
2 : to cause (land) to bear a crop planned to crop another 40 acres also
: to grow as a crop

intransitive verb
1 : to feed by cropping something
2 : to yield or make a crop
3 : to appear unexpectedly or casually Problems crop up daily.


There is ZERO that is non-destructive about it.

There is no reason to write long paragraphs otherwise.


You are blocking the damn screen

If you don't want to crop then learn to use select correctly

Just because you're confused doesn't mean the reast of us have to be.




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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

[Ruben Safir]

BTW - you broke the bump map filters as well...

the things you guyys break just goes on and on


Text Floatings Selections also is broken

All these things used to work.


On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 04:02:10AM -0400, Ruben Safir wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 10:41:19PM -0400, Rick Strong wrote:
> > I guess I'm a "spaz" (quite a pejorative term, when you think about it)
> > because I like non-destructive actions for when I come back to a file months
> > later. I can undo the crop or the crap I have inflicted upon it. After 30
> > years using this stuff I know about CTRL-Z but I never use histories.
> 
> 
> What, you don't have your original image.
> 
> Your not a spaz.  That is not the word I would use.  I would suggest
> that you think about what you are doing to users and stop breaking this
> software.
> 
> 
> If you don't knw how to use histories then you don't know how to
> properly use the GIMP.  You can reverse ANY experiment.
> 
> CROP MEANS CROP THE DAMN THING.  You crop it to make it smaller not a
> CLUGE of invisable garbage
> 
> And fix the Save as well so that it works normally...
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > Non-destruct does it for me.
> > 
> > R
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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

[Ruben Safir]

On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 10:41:19PM -0400, Rick Strong wrote:
> I guess I'm a "spaz" (quite a pejorative term, when you think about it)
> because I like non-destructive actions for when I come back to a file months
> later. I can undo the crop or the crap I have inflicted upon it. After 30
> years using this stuff I know about CTRL-Z but I never use histories.


What, you don't have your original image.

Your not a spaz.  That is not the word I would use.  I would suggest
that you think about what you are doing to users and stop breaking this
software.


If you don't knw how to use histories then you don't know how to
properly use the GIMP.  You can reverse ANY experiment.

CROP MEANS CROP THE DAMN THING.  You crop it to make it smaller not a
CLUGE of invisable garbage

And fix the Save as well so that it works normally...



> 
> Non-destruct does it for me.
> 
> R
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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

[Ruben Safir]

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 04:55:22AM +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine via 
gimp-user-list wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 3:38 AM Ruben Safir wrote:
> 
> > Better - DITCH IT
> 
> Dear Ruben,
> 
> >From the three emails you sent, my understanding is that:
> 
> 1. You have no use for non-destructive cropping.
> 

Neither does anyone else.   You beavers are destroying the GIMP

You DO understand that CTL Z returns your crop?

I'm not debating this.  You folks need to start listening to the users
and maybe test stuff out with real people 

Human Interface Design is not an opinion... it is a science.

When you block half the screen with an unneed blank space  you broke
it by any reasonable deifnition.

Get on the right side of this

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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

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> 
> We did not break anything :) We added a non-destructive mode and
> enabled it by default.
> 


Honestly, when you say things like this, not only are you wrong, 
but it is also very insulting.


> >  Can you tell me the setting that returns the gimp to sanity?
> 
> Enabling the "Delete cropped pixels" checkbox in Crop tool's options
> restores the old destructive behavior
> 

Just get rid of it so I don't have to remember useless obscure
information in my old age.


> All of that has been documented:
> 
> https://www.gimp.org/news/2020/06/11/gimp-2-10-20-released/#basic-non-destructive-cropping
>

You can't find it like that.  Try indexing as something an end user
understands like useless retaining of canvas size after cropping which
then needlessly blocks the screen, and there seems to be nothing you can
do about it (to quote Arlo Guthrie)

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CJA8RRLWuQ
> 

I have all the time in the world to waste on that drawn out explaination
to fix your bug.

> We need to update the user manual though.
> 

Better - DITCH IT
Better - DITCH IT
Better - DITCH IT
Better - DITCH IT
Better - DITCH IT
Better - DITCH IT
Better - DITCH IT

It is a PIA.

> Alex


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Your loving fan

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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

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> > 
> You need to ditch this and ditch the export/save thingie
> 


This is worth repeaing because it seems that the developers are not
listening to the end users.  I've used the GIMP since its inception
and rarely make any complaints.  

But this is accross the board stupid.  You are cluttering up screen
space without any reason and without any benifit, not that there can be
any benifit.  

You don't need non-destructing cropping.  It is already remembered in
the most EXCELLENT history.  Don't listen to idiots because you're
bored and need to code.  Set this back to a sane setting.



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Re: [Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

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On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 11:24:10AM +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine via 
gimp-user-list wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 5:21 AM Ruben Safir wrote:
> >
> > Hello
> >
> > I thought I asked this before, but I can't find any reference to the
> > previous email on any search engines... so here we go..
> >
> > Why is it that now when I crop the image that the canvas sticks out.
> > Why did you break this?
> 
> We did not break anything :) We added a non-destructive mode and
> enabled it by default.
> 
> >  Can you tell me the setting that returns the gimp to sanity?
> 
> Enabling the "Delete cropped pixels" checkbox in Crop tool's options
> restores the old destructive behavior
> 


NO - don't fool yourself.  YOU BROKE IT because some spaz can't learn to
use CTL Z

There is ZERO need for this and it obstructs the use of the software.



> All of that has been documented:
> 
> https://www.gimp.org/news/2020/06/11/gimp-2-10-20-released/#basic-non-destructive-cropping
> 

I was right, you broke it.

> We need to update the user manual though.
> 
You need to ditch this and ditch the export/save thingie



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Re: [Gimp-user] text mode, need instruct sequence

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On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 10:57:44AM +1300, Cliff Pratt via gimp-user-list wrote:
> There's not enough information there to tell what is going wrong. Where are
> you making the changes, on screen or in the tool options, for example. As I
> recall there have been similar discussions in the past, and it may pay to
> look at teh archives.


The archives don't have a decent search mechanism other than google and
it seems google don't care about mailing lists any more 

> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Cliff
> 
> On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 3:00 PM Ruben Safir  wrote:
> 
> > On 10/2/20 20:24, Ruben Safir wrote:
> > > On 10/2/20 5:05 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > >> I just had occasion to caption some pix as an aid
> > >> to my wife who is not a computer whiz, in setting up a piano keyboard,
> > >> and the air was quite blue around me by the time I got done because
> > >> every time I tried to set one option in the text panel it reset
> > >> everything else back to the defaults.  And an 18 px black character
> > >> isn't more than a visible dot on an 8
> > >
> > >
> > > Yeah - that has made me crazy as well.  The text tool's behavior is
> > > completely unpredictable.  Everytime you touch it it does the unexpected
> > > and it goes back to some default that it pulled from god knows where.
> > >
> > > Mine has been stuck on 65 px like it is stuttering.
> > >
> > > There used to be a decent scripfu text widget in the filters that is
> > gone.
> > >
> > > And one needs a drop down menu for font.  Who knows what fonts are
> > > installed.  In 1998 I did this with the GIMP
> > >
> > > http://images.mrbrklyn.com/brooklyn/tourmap.png
> > > http://images.mrbrklyn.com/.cache/640x435-bars2.jpg
> > >
> > > Just try doing that now.
> > >
> > >
> > > or something like this
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > This problems continues, BTW
> >
> >
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Re: [Gimp-user] Orientations, Copyright Notices, metadata, and resized layers

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On 10/1/20 19:47, Liam R E Quin wrote:
> slave liam


:(

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[Gimp-user] Canvas Size on Crop

[Ruben Safir]

Hello

I thought I asked this before, but I can't find any reference to the
previous email on any search engines... so here we go..

Why is it that now when I crop the image that the canvas sticks out.
Why did you break this?  Can you tell me the setting that returns the
gimp to sanity?


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Re: [Gimp-user] text mode, need instruct sequence

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On 10/2/20 20:24, Ruben Safir wrote:
> On 10/2/20 5:05 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> I just had occasion to caption some pix as an aid 
>> to my wife who is not a computer whiz, in setting up a piano keyboard, 
>> and the air was quite blue around me by the time I got done because 
>> every time I tried to set one option in the text panel it reset 
>> everything else back to the defaults.  And an 18 px black character 
>> isn't more than a visible dot on an 8
> 
> 
> Yeah - that has made me crazy as well.  The text tool's behavior is
> completely unpredictable.  Everytime you touch it it does the unexpected
> and it goes back to some default that it pulled from god knows where.
> 
> Mine has been stuck on 65 px like it is stuttering.
> 
> There used to be a decent scripfu text widget in the filters that is gone.
> 
> And one needs a drop down menu for font.  Who knows what fonts are
> installed.  In 1998 I did this with the GIMP
> 
> http://images.mrbrklyn.com/brooklyn/tourmap.png
> http://images.mrbrklyn.com/.cache/640x435-bars2.jpg
> 
> Just try doing that now.
> 
> 
> or something like this
> 
> 
> 

This problems continues, BTW


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[Gimp-user] Directory Reading is failing

[Ruben Safir]

The gimp is not reading directories any more.  It just stalls

Reuvain

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Re: [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of Conduct - ablelist language and discrimination

[Ruben Safir]

Anyone who is in favor of codes of conduct are real threat to all of
free software.


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Re: [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of Conduct - ablelist language and discrimination

[Ruben Safir]

On 5/28/21 12:04 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
> Kill the secret communist style party organ to judge social credit
> scores.

Kill the secret communist style party organ to judge social credit
scores.


It needs to die.  There is no justiification to chill speech and to have
tribuanals.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of Conduct - ablelist language and discrimination

[Ruben Safir]

On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 04:48:21PM -0400, Liam R E Quin wrote:
> On Tue, 2021-05-25 at 23:26 +0300, Cristian Secară wrote:
> > 
> > In what language stands the name as discrimination ?
> 
> English.
> 


Not English

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Re: [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of Conduct - ablelist language and discrimination

[Ruben Safir]

> 
>   Federico - as chairperson of the CoC Committee, and Board member.
> 


Kill the secret communist style party organ to judge social credit
scores.

It is disgusting

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Re: [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of Conduct - ablelist language and discrimination

[Ruben Safir]

> you. Nobody really disputes that GIMP is a "harmless" word to the
> majority of the worlds population. But "majority" is not necessarily the
> relevant metrics here.
> 


Actually it is.  

There is also the political aspect of not caving into newspeak despots

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Re: [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of Conduct - ablelist language and discrimination

[Ruben Safir]

On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 04:24:11PM -0700, Michael Richards via gimp-user-list 
wrote:
> Thank you Frederico,
> 
> I appreciate this. I have removed myself from the GIMP-user-list 

Fly by night left wing totaletarian BS.


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Re: [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of Conduct - ablelist language and discrimination

[Ruben Safir]

I am sick of lunatics calling the shots

It is time for a revolt against insanity.

I am a GIMP and have been one for my hwole life and find the use of the
term GIMP to be uplifting and to give all us GIMPS the utmost honor to
be associated with such an esteamed project.


Furthermore, the Code of Conduct is BS and should be removed from the
Gnome Project.



On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 11:26:41PM +0300, Cristian Secară wrote:
> În data de Tue, 25 May 2021 11:19:43 -0700, Michael Richards via 
> gimp-user-list a scris:
> 
> > 
> > I formally request that the GIMP name be changed on the basis that it
> > violates the GNOME Code of Conduct. 
> > 
> > I make this request, not to cause trouble but to stand up against
> > unintentional - but no less harmful - discrimination.
> > 
> > [...]
> 
> In what language stands the name as discrimination ? In my language 
> (Romanian) the word "gimp" has no meaning whatsoever. The only possible 
> association is with the GNU Image Manipulation Program – and this only for 
> those who work with it or at least ever heard about it.
> 
> I wonder if in Italian or French or German etc. languages this word has any 
> meaning except for the GIMP program.
> 
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Re: [Gimp-user] How to compile a vala GIMP plugin on Windows pc?

[Ruben Safir]

On Sun, Jan 03, 2021 at 05:36:40PM -0500, Kevin Cozens wrote:
> On 2021-01-03 3:36 p.m., Ruben Safir wrote:
> [snip]
> >Save yourself a life time of trouble and switch ovr the a GNU system now
> >
> [snip]
> >On Sun, Dec 27, 2020 at 09:50:54PM -0800, Pen Guin via gimp-user-list wrote:
> >>Hi,
> >>
> >>I have downloaded GIMP 2.99.4 on my Windows 8 pc.
> [snip]
> >>I want to compile the goat-exercise vala plugin shipped with GIMP.
> 
> If you can't or don't want to install an MS supplied toolchain I
> would suggest looking in to installing MSYS and MinGW 

Or they can just install a free OS and save hours of time and years of
fustration

>>shrugg<<



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Re: [Gimp-user] How to compile a vala GIMP plugin on Windows pc?

[Ruben Safir]

We got it and heard you.  The easist way to do it is the use linux.

There might be someone who compiles on WIndows, but MS removed all the
compilers from its commericial OS and explaining how to install an
entire compiler and make environment on a stripped down commerical
windows box is a long and drawn out discussion.

Save yourself a life time of trouble and switch ovr the a GNU system now



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> Hi,
> 
> I have downloaded GIMP 2.99.4 on my Windows 8 pc.
> 
> I want to compile the goat-exercise vala plugin shipped with GIMP.  Can
> anyone please tell me how can I compile a vala plugin on my pc? What other
> softwares AND/OR dependent-files do I need to download? What command and
> attributes do I need to pass to the vala compiler to get a working exe
> without any errors?
> 
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Re: [Gimp-user] [ANNOUNCE] GIMP 2.10.22

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On Thu, Oct 08, 2020 at 11:57:16PM +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine via 
gimp-user-list wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> GIMP 2.10.22 is out. Release highlights:
> 
> - Improved HEIC and newly added AVIF support
> - Numerous improvements in the PSP file format support
> - Improved multi-layer TIFF exporting
> - Better handling of the Exif “Orientation” metadata
> - New “Sample merged” option in the GEGL operation tool
> 


I am impressed and anxious to see it work

> Details: https://www.gimp.org/news/2020/10/07/gimp-2-10-22-released/
> 
> Windows installer is available, so is the flatpak for Linux.
> Unfortunately, we won't have a build for macOS until someone steps up
> and contributes it.
> 
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Re: [Gimp-user] Orientations, Copyright Notices, metadata, and resized layers

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>Anyway, when I open the original photo in GIMP and choose "rotate", I
>made NO other changes and simply exported the rotated image.  Then, I
>opened that image in Firefox and it appeared correct:

>https://imgur.com/a/tsgEiGF


Actually, you did nothing to the image if I understand you.  It is
just the same broken unrotated image reexported.

You didn't actually ROTATE it

Image==>Transform==>Rotate 90º Counter-Clockwise


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Re: [Gimp-user] Orientations, Copyright Notices, metadata, and resized layers

[Ruben Safir]

On Fri, Oct 02, 2020 at 06:44:12PM -0700, Tom Williams via gimp-user-list wrote:
> On 10/2/20 5:57 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
> > You need to really download them and view them in the gimp and examine
> > the exif because on the original images coming out of the camera, SOME
> > applications, like new firefox, read the camera's orientation data
> > and display accordingly.  Some applications do not.  The solution is 
> > to actually rotate the actual image.
> >
> > Actually, if I was going to modernize this, there would be 2 options,
> > one to just rotate by chaning the exif data, and one to physically
> > rotate the image.
> 
> Thanks for the additional information (this message and the other
> message).   I actually DID download both images and I opened them in
> GIMP 2.10.20 on Ubuntu 20.04 Linux.  I opened the original image in
> Firefox and it was rotated by 90-degress counter-clockwise, so it
> appeared like this:
> 
> https://imgur.com/a/S5RRJE8
> 
> Of course, my highlighting in red didn't appear.  :)    So, then I
> opened the original photo in GIMP and I was asked if I wanted to rotate
> the photo or not, as shown here:
> 

I get no prompt, not that I feel I need one.  It is a raster image editor 
and it should just open the file as it is, regardless of hints.

and it is a landscape image, as it should be.
It is interesting that the previewer corrects the orientation..

> https://imgur.com/a/eICgy7a
> 
> When I opened the rotated photo you posted the link to, the "After"
> photo, GIMP prompted me to rotate the photo, as shown here:
> 
> https://imgur.com/kozuYXt
> 
> Are you getting the same prompts from GIMP, when you open the photos? 
> If so, which option do you choose?

That image is portrat in its native state, but in firefox is rotated
landscape, and BTW 180 degrees backwards from the original, as if it 
was rotated twice, which it is when it is rotated correctly and then
the wrong hint tells firefox to rotate it again.

It is a GIMP problem.  It makes the rotation but doesn't record it in
the exif



> 
> Anyway, when I open the original photo in GIMP and choose "rotate", I
> made NO other changes and simply exported the rotated image.  Then, I
> opened that image in Firefox and it appeared correct:
> 
> https://imgur.com/a/tsgEiGF
>

Um - that is not what it does 

it is landscape.
http://www.mrbrklyn.com/images/brooklyn/2020_09_fishing/IMG_4577.2.JPG

My guess is your rotated image does not save any exif data
These are options on exporting, to save or not exif data


> I haven't touched ANY EXIF settings at all and when exporting from GIMP,
> I used the export defaults, for JPEG, which included EXIF, XMP, and IPTC
> information being saved with the file.  I think I understand your issue
> with the image getting rotated unexpectedly, but I'm not necessarily
> sure GIMP is at fault, at least not based on the steps I followed.
> 
> When you load the images, are you getting different results?  Which
> version of GIMP are you using and on which operating system?
>

[ruben@flatbush ~]$ gimp -v
GNU Image Manipulation Program version 2.10.20
git-describe: GIMP_2_10_18-332-g68d21512bf
Build: unknown rev 0 for linux
# C compiler #
Using built-in specs.
COLLECT_GCC=gcc
COLLECT_LTO_WRAPPER=/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/10.1.0/lto-wrapper
Target: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu
Configured with: /build/gcc/src/gcc/configure --prefix=/usr
--libdir=/usr/lib --libexecdir=/usr/lib --mandir=/usr/share/man
--infodir=/usr/share/info --with-bugurl=https://bugs.archlinux.org/
--enable-languages=c,c++,ada,fortran,go,lto,objc,obj-c++,d --with-isl
--with-linker-hash-style=gnu --with-system-zlib --enable-__cxa_atexit
--enable-cet=auto --enable-checking=release --enable-clocale=gnu
--enable-default-pie --enable-default-ssp --enable-gnu-indirect-function
--enable-gnu-unique-object --enable-install-libiberty
--enable-linker-build-id --enable-lto --enable-multilib --enable-plugin
--enable-shared --enable-threads=posix --disable-libssp
--disable-libstdcxx-pch --disable-libunwind-exceptions --disable-werror
gdc_include_dir=/usr/include/dlang/gdc
Thread model: posix
Supported LTO compression algorithms: zlib zstd
gcc version 10.1.0 (GCC) 

# Libraries #
using babl version 0.1.78 (compiled against version 0.1.78)
using GEGL version 0.4.24 (compiled against version 0.4.24)
using GLib version 2.64.5 (compiled against version 2.64.3)
using GdkPixbuf version 2.40.1 (compiled against version 2.40.0)
using GTK+ version 2.24.32 (compiled against version 2.24.32)
using Pango version 1.46.1 (compiled against version 1.44.7)
using Fontconfig version 2.13.91 (compiled against version 2.13.91)
using Cairo version 1.17.3 (compiled against version 1.17.3)


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> 
> Peace...
> 

Re: [Gimp-user] Orientations, Copyright Notices, metadata, and resized layers

[Ruben Safir]

You need to really download them and view them in the gimp and examine
the exif because on the original images coming out of the camera, SOME
applications, like new firefox, read the camera's orientation data
and display accordingly.  Some applications do not.  The solution is 
to actually rotate the actual image.

Actually, if I was going to modernize this, there would be 2 options,
one to just rotate by chaning the exif data, and one to physically
rotate the image.


On Fri, Oct 02, 2020 at 08:53:43PM -0400, Ruben Safir wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 02, 2020 at 05:30:48PM -0700, Tom via gimp-user-list wrote:
> > On 10/2/20 5:10 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
> > >On Sat, Oct 03, 2020 at 12:23:18AM +0200, Ofnuts wrote:
> > >>On 02/10/2020 23:33, Ruben Safir wrote:
> > >>>>But AFAIK when Gimp edits an image, it removes the Exif Orientation
> > >>>>flag, so the image should be displayed with the default orientation,
> > >>>Whatever it is doing it is doing it 100% wrong 100% of the time and I
> > >>>have to go into the file with VIM and remove the exif.
> > >>No such problem for me, and again, there are free tools to remove EXIF
> > >>if necessary, for instance with ExifTool:
> > >>
> > >>     exiftool -all= {file}
> > >>
> > >Or it can just be done correctly in the primary image manipulation tool,
> > >within the Gimp
> > >
> > >>>And somehow it is putting my name in there.  Is that really necessary as
> > >>>if I don't have enough things tracking me the universe.
> > >>>
> > >>>I don't think it is coming from my Cannon Camera.
> > >>Either your camera or you have entered a default comment. Create an
> > >>image from scratch with Gimp and see if it contains your name...
> > >>
> > >>>If you want, I can demonstrate this.  Remove the EXIF and it orients
> > >>>correctly.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>I just fixed
> > >>>http://www.mrbrklyn.com/brooklyn/images/2020_09_fishing/bike.jpg
> > >>>
> > >>>by MANUALLY removeing the EXIF data from near top of the file.
> > >>>It was correct in the GIMP and sideway in most of the rest of the
> > >>>world..most importantly in Firefox et al
> > >>You are not demonstrating anything, we need the before and after images.
> > >>
> > >I am aware of that.  I can demostrate it easily enough
> > >
> > >Before =>
> > >http://www.mrbrklyn.com/brooklyn/images/2020_09_fishing/IMG_4577.JPG
> > >
> > >After =>
> > >http://www.mrbrklyn.com/brooklyn/images/2020_09_fishing/IMG_4577.2.JPG
> > >
> > >the EXIF needs to be fixed..
> > 
> > Thanks for posting the sample images.  Please excuse me but I don't
> > understand what the problem is.  Is it the "After" image is _not_
> > supposed to appear 90-degrees rotated?  When I view the "After"
> > image in Firefox (and Opera), it appears rotated 90-degrees.
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > 
> 
> 
> The original is 90° tilted as I tilted the camera to get a verticle
> image
> 
> 
> It opens in the gimp sideways, as it should since I took the pic that
> way.
> 
> The "after pic" is rotated to the correct position.
> ... or it should be.
> 
> It is in the GIMP
> 
> It exif is pointing it to the incorrect orientation now. 
> This is an example of tech trying to make things "simple"
> and they are not simple.  They are broken.  
> 
> When you rotation the image the exif that is saved needs to be
> fixed, or eliminated.
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > >>>>Last, the exported image is what you see on the canvas, an dis the size
> > >>>>of the canvas. Out-of-canvas parts are automatically cropped on export,
> > >>>>there is no need to flatten the image first.
> > >>>>
> > >>>That is good.  But there is even less need for the crop to be broken
> > >>>because someone doesn't know how to use CTL Z.
> > >>
> > >>Crop is not broken... for most purposes (especially exporting the
> > >>result) it works as before. And if you set the "Delete cropped pixels"
> > >>option, just save your tool options to have it become a default for you.
> > >>
> > >This is doesn't exist in this gimp version, GIMP 2.10.
> > >
> > >
> > >Actually, I finaly found it, under, of all place, dockable dialogs :(
> > >
> &

Re: [Gimp-user] Orientations, Copyright Notices, metadata, and resized layers

[Ruben Safir]

On Fri, Oct 02, 2020 at 05:30:48PM -0700, Tom via gimp-user-list wrote:
> On 10/2/20 5:10 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
> >On Sat, Oct 03, 2020 at 12:23:18AM +0200, Ofnuts wrote:
> >>On 02/10/2020 23:33, Ruben Safir wrote:
> >>>>But AFAIK when Gimp edits an image, it removes the Exif Orientation
> >>>>flag, so the image should be displayed with the default orientation,
> >>>Whatever it is doing it is doing it 100% wrong 100% of the time and I
> >>>have to go into the file with VIM and remove the exif.
> >>No such problem for me, and again, there are free tools to remove EXIF
> >>if necessary, for instance with ExifTool:
> >>
> >>     exiftool -all= {file}
> >>
> >Or it can just be done correctly in the primary image manipulation tool,
> >within the Gimp
> >
> >>>And somehow it is putting my name in there.  Is that really necessary as
> >>>if I don't have enough things tracking me the universe.
> >>>
> >>>I don't think it is coming from my Cannon Camera.
> >>Either your camera or you have entered a default comment. Create an
> >>image from scratch with Gimp and see if it contains your name...
> >>
> >>>If you want, I can demonstrate this.  Remove the EXIF and it orients
> >>>correctly.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>I just fixed
> >>>http://www.mrbrklyn.com/brooklyn/images/2020_09_fishing/bike.jpg
> >>>
> >>>by MANUALLY removeing the EXIF data from near top of the file.
> >>>It was correct in the GIMP and sideway in most of the rest of the
> >>>world..most importantly in Firefox et al
> >>You are not demonstrating anything, we need the before and after images.
> >>
> >I am aware of that.  I can demostrate it easily enough
> >
> >Before =>
> >http://www.mrbrklyn.com/brooklyn/images/2020_09_fishing/IMG_4577.JPG
> >
> >After =>
> >http://www.mrbrklyn.com/brooklyn/images/2020_09_fishing/IMG_4577.2.JPG
> >
> >the EXIF needs to be fixed..
> 
> Thanks for posting the sample images.  Please excuse me but I don't
> understand what the problem is.  Is it the "After" image is _not_
> supposed to appear 90-degrees rotated?  When I view the "After"
> image in Firefox (and Opera), it appears rotated 90-degrees.
> 
> Thanks!
> 


The original is 90° tilted as I tilted the camera to get a verticle
image


It opens in the gimp sideways, as it should since I took the pic that
way.

The "after pic" is rotated to the correct position.
... or it should be.

It is in the GIMP

It exif is pointing it to the incorrect orientation now. 
This is an example of tech trying to make things "simple"
and they are not simple.  They are broken.  

When you rotation the image the exif that is saved needs to be
fixed, or eliminated.



> 
> >>>>Last, the exported image is what you see on the canvas, an dis the size
> >>>>of the canvas. Out-of-canvas parts are automatically cropped on export,
> >>>>there is no need to flatten the image first.
> >>>>
> >>>That is good.  But there is even less need for the crop to be broken
> >>>because someone doesn't know how to use CTL Z.
> >>
> >>Crop is not broken... for most purposes (especially exporting the
> >>result) it works as before. And if you set the "Delete cropped pixels"
> >>option, just save your tool options to have it become a default for you.
> >>
> >This is doesn't exist in this gimp version, GIMP 2.10.
> >
> >
> >Actually, I finaly found it, under, of all place, dockable dialogs :(
> >
> >
> >BTW - what it does, in addition to just being annoying, is it
> >takes screen space.  It is broken.  It was working perectly.
> >This is not trivial word play.  It was working.  It cropped
> >perfectly, and now it leaves the canvas too large, produces
> >a confusing layer, takes up unecessary screen space, and fails
> >to actually crop because someone didn't know how to use CTL Z
> >
> >This defines broken
> >http://www.nylxs.com/images/gimp_broken.jpg
> >
> >If you don't like the frame of your crop then just CTL Z and recrop
> >
> >Its not that hard.  Even a graphic artist can do it.
> >
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Re: [Gimp-user] text mode, need instruct sequence

[Ruben Safir]

On Fri, Oct 02, 2020 at 08:41:39PM -0400, Liam R E Quin wrote:
> On Fri, 2020-10-02 at 19:38 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > 
> > My whole point is that there is no way to set the defaults AND
> > setting 
> > anything else restores the default of 18 px, switches it back to sans
> > font, and the selected color back to black.  Changing ANY of those 
> > settings should change them at the very least for the lifetime of the
> > current session. 
> 
> It does, 

:(

No - it doesn't

It is one of things that used to work but is now broken

> but you must change them in tool optoins, not in the on-canvas
> controls. You can also have gimp save tool options on exit, or you can
> save them at any time, from Edit/Preferences (click on Tool Options in
> the list on the left).
> 
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[Gimp-user] bump map filter

[Ruben Safir]

the bump map filter, which has been one of my favorites of the last 20
years, is no completely broken and not responding


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Re: [Gimp-user] text mode, need instruct sequence

[Ruben Safir]

On 10/2/20 5:05 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> I just had occasion to caption some pix as an aid 
> to my wife who is not a computer whiz, in setting up a piano keyboard, 
> and the air was quite blue around me by the time I got done because 
> every time I tried to set one option in the text panel it reset 
> everything else back to the defaults.  And an 18 px black character 
> isn't more than a visible dot on an 8


Yeah - that has made me crazy as well.  The text tool's behavior is
completely unpredictable.  Everytime you touch it it does the unexpected
and it goes back to some default that it pulled from god knows where.

Mine has been stuck on 65 px like it is stuttering.

There used to be a decent scripfu text widget in the filters that is gone.

And one needs a drop down menu for font.  Who knows what fonts are
installed.  In 1998 I did this with the GIMP

http://images.mrbrklyn.com/brooklyn/tourmap.png
http://images.mrbrklyn.com/.cache/640x435-bars2.jpg

Just try doing that now.


or something like this



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Re: [Gimp-user] Orientations, Copyright Notices, metadata, and resized layers

[Ruben Safir]

> >I don't think it is coming from my Cannon Camera.
> 
> Either your camera or you have entered a default comment. Create an
> image from scratch with Gimp and see if it contains your name...

Maybe I set this up in the GIMP?  Where?

It is not in the camera
[ruben@flatbush 105___10]$ strings IMG_4588.JPG |grep Ruben

nadah

> 
> >If you want, I can demonstrate this.  Remove the EXIF and it orients
> >correctly.
> >
> >
> >I just fixed
> >http://www.mrbrklyn.com/brooklyn/images/2020_09_fishing/bike.jpg
> >
> >by MANUALLY removeing the EXIF data from near top of the file.
> >It was correct in the GIMP and sideway in most of the rest of the
> >world..most importantly in Firefox et al
> 
> You are not demonstrating anything, we need the before and after images.
> 
> >>Last, the exported image is what you see on the canvas, an dis the size
> >>of the canvas. Out-of-canvas parts are automatically cropped on export,
> >>there is no need to flatten the image first.
> >>
> >That is good.  But there is even less need for the crop to be broken
> >because someone doesn't know how to use CTL Z.
> 
> 
> Crop is not broken... for most purposes (especially exporting the
> result) it works as before. And if you set the "Delete cropped pixels"
> option, just save your tool options to have it become a default for you.
> 
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Re: [Gimp-user] Orientations, Copyright Notices, metadata, and resized layers

[Ruben Safir]

On Sat, Oct 03, 2020 at 12:23:18AM +0200, Ofnuts wrote:
> On 02/10/2020 23:33, Ruben Safir wrote:
> >>But AFAIK when Gimp edits an image, it removes the Exif Orientation
> >>flag, so the image should be displayed with the default orientation,
> >Whatever it is doing it is doing it 100% wrong 100% of the time and I
> >have to go into the file with VIM and remove the exif.
> 
> No such problem for me, and again, there are free tools to remove EXIF
> if necessary, for instance with ExifTool:
> 
>     exiftool -all= {file}
> 

Or it can just be done correctly in the primary image manipulation tool,
within the Gimp

> >And somehow it is putting my name in there.  Is that really necessary as
> >if I don't have enough things tracking me the universe.
> >
> >I don't think it is coming from my Cannon Camera.
> 
> Either your camera or you have entered a default comment. Create an
> image from scratch with Gimp and see if it contains your name...
> 
> >If you want, I can demonstrate this.  Remove the EXIF and it orients
> >correctly.
> >
> >
> >I just fixed
> >http://www.mrbrklyn.com/brooklyn/images/2020_09_fishing/bike.jpg
> >
> >by MANUALLY removeing the EXIF data from near top of the file.
> >It was correct in the GIMP and sideway in most of the rest of the
> >world..most importantly in Firefox et al
> 
> You are not demonstrating anything, we need the before and after images.
> 
I am aware of that.  I can demostrate it easily enough

Before =>
http://www.mrbrklyn.com/brooklyn/images/2020_09_fishing/IMG_4577.JPG

After =>
http://www.mrbrklyn.com/brooklyn/images/2020_09_fishing/IMG_4577.2.JPG

the EXIF needs to be fixed..

> >>Last, the exported image is what you see on the canvas, an dis the size
> >>of the canvas. Out-of-canvas parts are automatically cropped on export,
> >>there is no need to flatten the image first.
> >>
> >That is good.  But there is even less need for the crop to be broken
> >because someone doesn't know how to use CTL Z.
> 
> 
> Crop is not broken... for most purposes (especially exporting the
> result) it works as before. And if you set the "Delete cropped pixels"
> option, just save your tool options to have it become a default for you.
> 

This is doesn't exist in this gimp version, GIMP 2.10.


Actually, I finaly found it, under, of all place, dockable dialogs :(


BTW - what it does, in addition to just being annoying, is it
takes screen space.  It is broken.  It was working perectly.  
This is not trivial word play.  It was working.  It cropped 
perfectly, and now it leaves the canvas too large, produces 
a confusing layer, takes up unecessary screen space, and fails 
to actually crop because someone didn't know how to use CTL Z

This defines broken
http://www.nylxs.com/images/gimp_broken.jpg

If you don't like the frame of your crop then just CTL Z and recrop

Its not that hard.  Even a graphic artist can do it.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Orientations, Copyright Notices, metadata, and resized layers

[Ruben Safir]

On Fri, Oct 02, 2020 at 10:44:26PM +0200, Ofnuts wrote:
> On 30/09/2020 18:58, Ruben Safir wrote:
> >Hello
> >
> >I've been using the GIMP for decades at this point.  It has been bothing
> >me that of late (and I am old so late can mean years :) ) that I rotate
> >the image 90% and it doesn't prent in the correct orientation on my
> >websites.  This is getting to be a real PIA.  With JPGs, you can't just
> >remove the EXIF data without reprocessing the entire image.  I have
> >resorted to trying to edit the files in VIM and removing the EXIF data.
> >
> >But that has lead me another issue, and this is ration serious.  It is
> >easier to so than tell:
> >
> >
> You can use ExifTool to change the Exif on a JPG (without
> decompressing/recompressing).
> 
> But AFAIK when Gimp edits an image, it removes the Exif Orientation
> flag, so the image should be displayed with the default orientation,

Whatever it is doing it is doing it 100% wrong 100% of the time and I
have to go into the file with VIM and remove the exif.

And somehow it is putting my name in there.  Is that really necessary as
if I don't have enough things tracking me the universe.

I don't think it is coming from my Cannon Camera.

If you want, I can demonstrate this.  Remove the EXIF and it orients
correctly.


I just fixed
http://www.mrbrklyn.com/brooklyn/images/2020_09_fishing/bike.jpg

by MANUALLY removeing the EXIF data from near top of the file.  
It was correct in the GIMP and sideway in most of the rest of the 
world..most importantly in Firefox et al




> which is how Gimp itself displays the image. The Orientation flag is
> indeed missing in the EXIF dump you attached. I strongly suggest that
> you try to display the images with various images viewers (including
> browsers showing the image "bare" without any HTML) before pointing
> fingers, and check if the HTML of your site doesn't contain attributes
> that rotate images.
> 
> Last, the exported image is what you see on the canvas, an dis the size
> of the canvas. Out-of-canvas parts are automatically cropped on export,
> there is no need to flatten the image first.
> 

That is good.  But there is even less need for the crop to be broken
because someone doesn't know how to use CTL Z.


BTW - Zelous crop seems to be broken now as well.  It just does nothing
now.



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Re: [Gimp-user] VPAT Software Request

[Ruben Safir]

On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 02:55:34PM +0200, Michael Schumacher wrote:
> 
> 
> On 6/12/20 2:35 PM, Norbert Preining via gimp-user-list wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 12 Jun 2020, Robert Krawitz wrote:
> >> Confirmed; it doesn't render for me either.  Two other PDFs I tried
> >
> > Chrome is **not** a pdf viewer, please use a proper one, there are
> > billions out there.
> >
> > Using a browser from PDF viewing is something like a last resort...
> 
> More like the norm, at least for PDF files which are available online.
> 


Only if you are suicidal about secturity.  PDF includes a full on 
programming language with in secure access to your system.  Allowing the
broswer to display it directly might make adobe happy, but it is not
just unwise, it is flatout stupid.

Use a plug in and a real PDF viewer.


> 
> @Robert: as I wrote in my reply to Gene, it would be nice if you could
> file an issue for Chromium (or contribute to an existing one, if there's
> one already), to make sure that the Chromium developers know about this
> and can examine it.
> 
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Re: [Gimp-user] Orientations, Copyright Notices, metadata, and resized layers

[Ruben Safir]

On 10/1/20 7:47 PM, Liam R E Quin wrote:
> "Delete Cropped pixels"


Honestly, with every change the gimp is getting harder and harder to
use, and it is time to find an alternative.  For nearly 20 year now,
every change has been screwing the end user.  The stupidist one is the
save/export fiasco.  It's inability to rotate correctly is just rank
amateurness and it wasn't always the case. This BS with the crop was
fixing another non problem to make the program miserable to use.
Control Z works.  Making a copy and working on that also works.  This
was just a crap change and now every crop needs to have me hunting
through the menus to ... to like CROP.

You want a "non-destructive crop" then DON'T CROP.


I mean, really, what the hell is wrong with these developers.  This is a
mature product that has been in use for DECADES.  It is not a private
playground for your masters degree thesis and every idea out of the
slaveware world is no a good one to be duplicated.

the situation with the elimination of the toolbox, that was just INSANE.

To this DAY the one feature that would be really useful, a file selector
with thumbnails, like something xv could do in the mid-1990s, the gimp
STILL can't do that.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Orientations, Copyright Notices, metadata, and resized layers

[Ruben Safir]

On 10/1/20 7:47 PM, Liam R E Quin wrote:
> I'mguessing by the "graphic slide rule" you mean the crop tool; this
> _has_ changed by default, as it no longer discards pixels outside the
> new canvas area. To get back to the old behaviour, choose
> "Delete Cropped pixels" in tool options.

there is no such thing..



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Re: [Gimp-user] Orientations, Copyright Notices, metadata, and resized layers

[Ruben Safir]

On Thu, Oct 01, 2020 at 07:47:21PM -0400, Liam R E Quin wrote:
> On Thu, 2020-10-01 at 18:23 -0400, Ruben Safir wrote:
> > > 
> > > So, you are using image->scale image, and entering the new size
> > > numerically?
> > > 
> > > i'm asking because there's more than one way to resize an image...
> > 
> > correct, although I might use the graphic slide rule with the locked
> > ratios.
> 
> Image/Scale Image hasn't changed - i take it you're using GIMP 2.10.20
> on Windows 10?


No, why would you do that?

This is on GNU/Linux

> 
> I'mguessing by the "graphic slide rule" you mean the crop tool; 

No, but as you mention it, this is also a huge PIA

> this
> _has_ changed by default, as it no longer discards pixels outside the
> new canvas area. To get back to the old behaviour, choose
> "Delete Cropped pixels" in tool options.

Thanks


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Re: [Gimp-user] Orientations, Copyright Notices, metadata, and resized layers

[Ruben Safir]

On Thu, Oct 01, 2020 at 01:04:31PM -0400, Liam R E Quin wrote:
> On Thu, 2020-10-01 at 00:56 -0400, Ruben Safir wrote:
> > thanks for the info on the copyright notice
> > 
> > > 
> > > How *EXACTLY* are you resizing the image? This does not happen
> > > here.
> > > 
> > 
> > Exactly as you would, but it does happen here.
> 
> So, you are using image->scale image, and entering the new size
> numerically?
> 
> i'm asking because there's more than one way to resize an image...
> 


correct, although I might use the graphic slide rule with the locked
ratios.


> 
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> 
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> 
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Re: [Gimp-user] Orientations, Copyright Notices, metadata, and resized layers

[Ruben Safir]

thanks for the info on the copyright notice

> 
> How *EXACTLY* are you resizing the image? This does not happen here.
> 
> Lia,(slave ankh)
> 

Exactly as you would, but it does happen here.

although it didn't previously


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[Gimp-user] Orientations, Copyright Notices, metadata, and resized layers

[Ruben Safir]

Hello

I've been using the GIMP for decades at this point.  It has been bothing
me that of late (and I am old so late can mean years :) ) that I rotate
the image 90% and it doesn't prent in the correct orientation on my
websites.  This is getting to be a real PIA.  With JPGs, you can't just
remove the EXIF data without reprocessing the entire image.  I have
resorted to trying to edit the files in VIM and removing the EXIF data.

But that has lead me another issue, and this is ration serious.  It is
easier to so than tell:


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identify -verbose bike.jpg
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  Format: JPEG (Joint Photographic Experts Group JFIF format)
  Mime type: image/jpeg
  Class: DirectClass
  Geometry: 1832x3620+0+0
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  Type: TrueColor
  Base type: Undefined
  Endianness: Undefined
  Depth: 8-bit
  Channel depth:
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  Channel statistics:
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  min: 0  (0)
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  skewness: -0.732458
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  max: 255 (1)
  mean: 155.806 (0.611003)
  standard deviation: 61.8764 (0.242653)
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  max: 255 (1)
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  standard deviation: 63.0794 (0.24737)
  kurtosis: 0.340558
  skewness: -0.937852
  entropy: 0.94217
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  max: 255 (1)
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  standard deviation: 62.0475 (0.243324)
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  skewness: -0.796576
  entropy: 0.95168
  Rendering intent: Perceptual
  Gamma: 0.454545
  Chromaticity:
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white point: (0.3127,0.329)
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  Border color: srgb(223,223,223)
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  Intensity: Undefined
  Compose: Over
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Profile-icc: 672 bytes
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date:modify: 2020-09-30T00:04:16+00:00
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Re: [Gimp-user] Copyrights and Promotions

[Ruben Safir]

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 10:03:16PM -0700, addiesdaddy17 via gimp-user-list 
wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> So really enjoy GIMP so far and was wondering if I could have permission to 
> plug it in a series of YouTube videos and Twitch streams. I’m a new Video 
> Content Creator for residential Audio Video Installation, Product Reviews and 
> Tutorials. I also plan on making another stream for Music Production 
> Techniques. 
> 
> Let me know if you can send high rez graphics for the plug in the videos and 
> if there are any restrictions you would like me to adhere to. I can provide a 
> Google Docs link for you to review all content before it is uploaded. If it 
> is a Live Stream, I will send you a screenshot of my overlays. 
> 
> 


For sure no Google Docs

Get with the program..

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Re: [Gimp-user] Copyrights and Promotions

[Ruben Safir]

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 10:03:16PM -0700, addiesdaddy17 via gimp-user-list 
wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> So really enjoy GIMP so far and was wondering if I could have permission to 
> plug it in a series of YouTube videos and Twitch streams. I’m a new Video 
> Content Creator for residential Audio Video Installation, Product Reviews and 
> Tutorials. I also plan on making another stream for Music Production 
> Techniques. 
> 


No - don't do it!

> Let me know if you can send high rez graphics for the plug in the videos and 
> if there are any restrictions you would like me to adhere to. I can provide a 
> Google Docs link for you to review all content before it is uploaded. If it 
> is a Live Stream, I will send you a screenshot of my overlays. 
> 
> 
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> 
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Re: [Gimp-user] [conspire] PNG troubles

[Ruben Safir]

On 08/03/2018 09:30 AM, Ruben Safir wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 01, 2018 at 06:09:27PM -0700, Steve M Bibayoff wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Moved back to the original list (was forked to the gimp-user list).
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 5:00 PM, Ruben Safir  wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe you can right click on the PNG file and try to open it with the
>>> gimp and see if it renders on GNU/Linux.
>>
>> It opens fine for me with Gimp 2.8.16.
> 
> 
> not with 2.10.14
> 
> :(
> 
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the problem seems to be in png - and the fix seems to be a change or
patch in the code base


On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 8:25 AM Ruben Safir  wrote:

> On 08/06/2018 10:31 AM, J Decker wrote:
>>> png_set_option(png_ptr,
>>> PNG_MAXIMUM_INFLATE_WINDOW,
>>> PNG_OPTION_ON);
>> to decoding.
>
>
> where?  To the libpng library?
>
> to the code that can't decode them.



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[Gimp-user] PNG troubles

[Ruben Safir]

There has been a history that the PNG libraries have broken image
rendering of the previous libraries that I rendered with the GIMP.  Ten
years ago or so this happened because a bug was developed in the Free
Software libpng and when they closed the bug, a great portion of my
images stopped rendering and became useless, especially the early NYLXS
and Linux World Expo images, and 911 images I had converted to png format.

Now this seems to have happened again.  the GIMP and libpng can't render
images with the latest libraries.  So now a large number of my images
that I took in 2007 of my family and Brooklyn as it was transforming has
stopped rendering.  I a few months they won't work anywhere.

They had a couple of tools called optpng and few others that were
suppoded to fix these broken images.  Those tools failed to work on a
large number of the images.

I then proceded to attempt to write a program to fix them myself in C++.
I never really finished it.  It was an assignment for school where I was
trying to use the new C++ threads.  I had trouble getting the shared
memory to be accessable to multiple threads, but I did get low access to
the files.  ... but that is an aside.

There continues to be a core problem with the PNG format.  You can't
depend on it for archival purposes.  What works today might not
work tomorrow, and that is a huge problem for one of the core free
software projects.  Picutres __need__ to render now, and in a 100 years
from now, or they are worthless.

If you look at http://images.mrbrklyn.com

You will see a bunch of blank images.  Every one of those images are
being misrendered by the software.  That gallery uses imagmagik to
convert png images on the fly to multiple sizes and thumnails.  It can't
do it any longer.  I opened the original images in the gimp, and they
likewise don't render.

If you look at them in firefox though, they work.  But that is likely
just a matter of time before the new libaries cascade into the ecosystem

For example:

http://images.mrbrklyn.com/brooklyn/ornimental_building_kent_st_2006_00557.png?width=640

This broken image
http://images.mrbrklyn.com/brooklyn/.cache/640x480-ornimental_building_kent_st_2006_00557.png

is rendered from this original image

http://www.mrbrklyn.com/brooklyn/images/ornimental_building_kent_st_2006_00557.png

and the original  shows up in a browser

But if you try to open it up in the gimp, it doesn't render.  Nor does
it render in viewnoir or xv.  Some core and common library has to be
broken.  When the apache software tries to rescale it on the fly, it
can't renber it either.  And this is what happened last time.

Over time these images will become completely useless.

You can only conclude at this jucnture that PNG files are wholely
undependable and not a usable format.

This is with the gimp 2.10.4
gimp   8875 ruben  mem   REG8,2
  218808   15215884 /usr/lib/libpng16.so.16.34.0
gimp   8875  8876 gmain ruben  mem   REG8,2
  218808   15215884 /usr/lib/libpng16.so.16.34.0






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