European Ministers approve software patents, Parliamentary vote still pending...
At last nights CentraLUG meeting, there was discussion over the status of European software patent rules. It appears that I was a day late and dollar short in my information: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/03/07/ec_says_yes_patents/ If I understand correctly, the "European Council of Ministers" has approved this rule, but it still requires a vote by the European Parliament before become the EU law. Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Maddog & TCNO
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > Interesting read, could make for an interesting topic at a talk (or an e-mail > discussion). Yeah, that is the problem with my warped, twisted logic. I can't even find the box that I am supposed to think inside of. :-) md -- Jon "maddog" Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: European Ministers approve software patents, Parliamentary vote still pending...
Hi Gang! [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > If I understand correctly, the "European Council of Ministers" has approved > this rule, but it still requires a vote by the European Parliament before > become the EU law. It has been my understanding that this is nothing new. The ministers have always been in favor of the patents and the parliment has always been against it. This is why I have a european-made T-shirt that says "No Software Patents - Power to the Parliament!" Ergo we will have to see what happens if the Parliament holds true and does not radify it. By the wayas an illustration of this concept, open your mouth wide as if you are singing, but have no sounds emerge. This is what would happen if the government passed "Music Patents", and everyone started patenting things like triplets, etc. I asked an artist today how he would feel if brush-strokes and painting techniques were patented. His answer was "I am an artist! I can not be bound by artificial rules!" Hmm. md md -- Jon "maddog" Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: European Ministers approve software patents, Parliamentary vote still pending...
On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 08:52:54 -0500 Ted Roche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At last nights CentraLUG meeting, there was discussion over the status > of European software patent rules... > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/03/07/ec_says_yes_patents/ For more info, there has been good ongoing history and commentary at http://www.groklaw.net More specific to yesterday's news, from FFII, http://wiki.ffii.org/Cons050307En this: 7 March 2005 -- The Council Presidency today declared the software agreement of 18 May 2004 to have been adopted, in violation of the procedural rules and in spite of the evident lack of a qualified majority of member states and the requests of several states to reopen negotiations. Report * Cyprus submitted a written declaration at the start of the Council session * Poland, Denmark, Portugal and others (not specified) asked for a B item (discussion point) * The Luxembourg presidency claimed this was not possible due to procedural reasons, and that this would have undermined the whole process -> it would stay on the list of A-items * Luxembourg then gave a long statement regarding how the EP still gets a chance in second reading, the importance of avoiding legal uncertainty etc. * Denmark said it was disappointed about this, but accepted and submitted a written declaration * Later on, the list of A items was accepted by the Council Conclusion * Luxembourg negated the Council's own Rules of Procedure, which state that a B-item (which is at the same time a request to remove an A item) can only be rejected by the a majority of the Council, and not just by the Presidency. (art 3.8) * The objecting countries seem to have forgotten to request removal of the A-item from the agenda. Rules 3.1 + 3.7 would have given any single country the right to have the A-item removed, because the Luxemburg presidency had failed to insert it more than 14 days earlier. This is how Poland has removed A-items from the Agricultural & Fishery Council twice in the past. * This is a very sad day for democracy, and casts a very dark shadow over the European Constitution, which will give the Council even more power. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Tracking Internet Computers
On Mar 5, 2005, at 22:13, Stephen Ryan wrote: While there may be some usefulness to this technique in some limited circumstances, it is *not* useful for tracking any particular device across the wilds of the Internet or even for identifying devices among a small-ish set; there are simply too many other devices out there and too few unique clock skews for it to work as a unique identifier (not to mention the fact that the Birthday Paradox would screw it up as well). It might be useful as an additional identifier in an authentication system that uses secure machines (if the possibility of a secure hard drive image being stolen is a concern). More tech that can be used for good or evil... -Bill - Bill McGonigle, Owner Work: 603.448.4440 BFC Computing, LLC Home: 603.448.1668 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 603.252.2606 http://www.bfccomputing.com/Pager: 603.442.1833 AIM: wpmcgonigleSkype: bill_mcgonigle ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Anyone else see USB keyboard problems on FC2 with the new '770' kernel?
I'm running Fedora Core 2, and recently installed the 2.6.10-1.770 kernel (some kind of shift in the numbering) that I got from up2date. If I boot from it, my USB keyboard stops working. (I guess that I should try a PS/2 keyboard.) Am I alone? Bill ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Anyone else see USB keyboard problems on FC2 with the new '770' kernel?
On Tue, 2005-03-08 at 17:17 -0500, Bill Freeman wrote: > I'm running Fedora Core 2, and recently installed the > 2.6.10-1.770 kernel (some kind of shift in the numbering) that I got > from up2date. If I boot from it, my USB keyboard stops working. (I > guess that I should try a PS/2 keyboard.) > > Am I alone? Not exactly. I've had lots of "fun" times with the 2.6.10 kernel and the USB "filesystem". But I'm using a Debian distribution. What modules do you have loaded? --Bruce ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Anyone else see USB keyboard problems on FC2 with the new '770' kernel?
On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 18:44:12 -0500 Bruce Dawson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 2005-03-08 at 17:17 -0500, Bill Freeman wrote: > > I'm running Fedora Core 2, and recently installed the > > 2.6.10-1.770 kernel (some kind of shift in the numbering) that I got > > from up2date. If I boot from it, my USB keyboard stops working. (I > > guess that I should try a PS/2 keyboard.) > > > > Am I alone? > > Not exactly. I've had lots of "fun" times with the 2.6.10 kernel and the > USB "filesystem". But I'm using a Debian distribution. > > What modules do you have loaded? I've got SuSE 9.2, and I switched to a USB keyboard and mouse when I got a new monitor. I've used the 2.6.8 kernel supplied with SuSE and the 2.6.11 kernel. No problems. I did have a problem when I booted into Windows XP -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 pgpg9psPYKzs3.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Anyone else see USB keyboard problems on FC2 with the new '770' kernel?
On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 05:17:00PM -0500, Bill Freeman wrote: > I'm running Fedora Core 2, and recently installed the > 2.6.10-1.770 kernel (some kind of shift in the numbering) that I got > from up2date. If I boot from it, my USB keyboard stops working. (I > guess that I should try a PS/2 keyboard.) I haven't tried my USB keyboard with the kernel-2.6.10-1.12_FC2 kernel, but I have had a number of USB-related problems with every kernel I've used since the 2.6.8-1.521 kernel. I often experience kernel oopses with both my digital camera and my DVD writer with the later kernels. I'm of the opinion that the USB drivers aren't done baking (either that, or they're completely baked!) in the 2.6 kernel... -- Derek D. Martinhttp://www.pizzashack.org/ GPG Key ID: 0xDFBEAD02 -=-=-=-=- This message is posted from an invalid address. Replying to it will result in undeliverable mail. Sorry for the inconvenience. Thank the spammers. pgpVNStC5VH5M.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Anyone else see USB keyboard problems on FC2 with the new '770' kernel?
Bruce Dawson writes: > On Tue, 2005-03-08 at 17:17 -0500, Bill Freeman wrote: > >I'm running Fedora Core 2, and recently installed the > > 2.6.10-1.770 kernel (some kind of shift in the numbering) that I got > > from up2date. If I boot from it, my USB keyboard stops working. (I > > guess that I should try a PS/2 keyboard.) > > > >Am I alone? > > Not exactly. I've had lots of "fun" times with the 2.6.10 kernel and the > USB "filesystem". But I'm using a Debian distribution. > > What modules do you have loaded? Actually, I've been using 2.6.10 kernels just fine for a while. (Through 2.6.10-1.14_FC2, in fact. Not that the 1.14 means a whole lot to other than a Fedora release guy.) It's just the latest build (2.6.10-1.770 -- interesting change of numbering strategy) from Fedora, which showed up in the last couple of days, that seems to have a problem. Nothing else is changed at the surface level. Fedora truly loads a lot of dreck: rfcomm, bluetooth, battery, other stuff I don't recognize. (What's the point of having modules anyway? If they're always going to load all this stuff it may as well be staticly linked into the kernel.) I can't tell you what it tries to load with the '770 kernel because I can't log in and ask without a working keyboard. They sure don't make it easy to figure out how to submit a bug report. I'll try harder if something doesn't show up on the Fedora announce list in a few days. Bill ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Anyone else see USB keyboard problems on FC2 with the new '770' kernel?
Derek Martin writes: > On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 05:17:00PM -0500, Bill Freeman wrote: > >I'm running Fedora Core 2, and recently installed the > > 2.6.10-1.770 kernel (some kind of shift in the numbering) that I got > > from up2date. If I boot from it, my USB keyboard stops working. (I > > guess that I should try a PS/2 keyboard.) > > I haven't tried my USB keyboard with the kernel-2.6.10-1.12_FC2 > kernel, but I have had a number of USB-related problems with every > kernel I've used since the 2.6.8-1.521 kernel. I often experience > kernel oopses with both my digital camera and my DVD writer with the > later kernels. I'm of the opinion that the USB drivers aren't done > baking (either that, or they're completely baked!) in the 2.6 > kernel... > FYI, my USB keyboard, mouse, and flash drive all work fine with kernel-2.6.10-1.12_FC2 and kernel-2.6.10-1.14_FC2 (and all the FC2 and RH 7, 8, 9 kernels over the last couple of years). I have managed to get pictures off of my girlfriend's camera, but otherwise I don't use USB much, so maybe I've just had lucky choices. Bill ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Anyone else see USB keyboard problems on FC2 with the new '770' kernel?
On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 09:41:10PM -0500, Bill Freeman wrote: > Fedora truly loads a lot of dreck: rfcomm, bluetooth, battery, > other stuff I don't recognize. (What's the point of having modules FWIW, I'm running FC2 and I don't have those modules loaded, except for battery (which is good, since I'm on a laptop with a battery). Poking through the output of lsmod, I don't seem to have any modules loaded which I'm not actually making use of... Or at least, to say it a better way, I have hardware which corresponds to every hardware- related module, and I'm using all the software modules (like filesystem drivers, etc.). -- Derek D. Martinhttp://www.pizzashack.org/ GPG Key ID: 0xDFBEAD02 -=-=-=-=- This message is posted from an invalid address. Replying to it will result in undeliverable mail. Sorry for the inconvenience. Thank the spammers. pgpDWg9hLVVzn.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Anyone else see USB keyboard problems on FC2 with the new '770' kernel?
On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 09:48:45PM -0500, Bill Freeman wrote: > FYI, my USB keyboard, mouse, and flash drive all work fine > with kernel-2.6.10-1.12_FC2 and kernel-2.6.10-1.14_FC2 (and all the > FC2 and RH 7, 8, 9 kernels over the last couple of years). I have > managed to get pictures off of my girlfriend's camera, but otherwise I > don't use USB much, so maybe I've just had lucky choices. That's reassuring... Maybe I'll try to move to a more recent kernel and see if the other devices work. OTOH, right now I'm stuck on dial-up, and the winmodem driver I'm using doesn't seem to compile against kernel-2.6.10-1.12_FC2, so I may be stuck on 2.6.8-1.521 for a while yet... Incidentally, the new naming scheme seems to be an old naming scheme, with the -X.XX_FC2 being fairly recent, AFAIK... Or maybe they can't decide between the two and keep waffling... Mmmm, waffles. Gotta get something to eat. =8^) -- Derek D. Martinhttp://www.pizzashack.org/ GPG Key ID: 0xDFBEAD02 -=-=-=-=- This message is posted from an invalid address. Replying to it will result in undeliverable mail. Sorry for the inconvenience. Thank the spammers. pgpCSCYCwY98v.pgp Description: PGP signature
